Posts by Eric Korpela

1) Message boards : News : Citizen Science SETI Project at UCLA. (Message 2114755)
Posted 15 Feb 2023 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Jean Luc Margot, a SETI Researcher at UCLA has started a Citizen Science project at UCLA. Participants will help identify and classify types of Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) seen in the data that they have taken at the Green Bank Telescope. This is an important step in identifying any signals that don't look like RFI.

You can join at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/ucla-seti-group/are-we-alone-in-the-universe.
2) Message boards : News : RIP Frank Drake (Message 2106316)
Posted 4 Sep 2022 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We are sad to report that SETI pioneer and originator of the Drake Equation passed away on September 2nd. Frank at the age of 92. Frank conducted the first SETI experiments capable of detecting radio signals at nearby stars distances, He continued to be a large influence on the field into his 90s.

Dan Werthimer had this to say:
If it weren't for Frank, I'd be filthy rich. When the first microcomputer chips came out in the early 70's I joined the Homebrew Computer Club, along with Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. Everybody in Homebrew became ultra-rich, except me.

While other homebrewers were designing and selling the first home computers, I spent my time figuring out how to utilize the first computer chips for SETI experiments, thanks to Frank. I didn't become rich, but instead I was inspired by Frank to work on some of the most fundamental questions we have as humans. He taught me so much - I was incredibly fortunate to work with Frank on many SETI experiments for 45 years. Frank's insights led to optical SETI, SETI@home, and most recently, while in his 90's, Frank helped pioneer PANOSETI.

Frank was a wonderful friend, mentor, and brilliant collaborator. If Earthlings ever find ET, we'll have Frank to thank.
3) Message boards : News : Another bittersweet milestone. (Message 2096879)
Posted 31 Mar 2022 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We're cleaning out our lab at Space Sciences, and saying goodbye to a lot of history.
4) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Another Bittersweet Milestone (Message 2096776)
Posted 30 Mar 2022 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Eras don't end in a day, they slowly fade away. Yesterday marked another bittersweet milestone in SETI@home history. We cleaned out the lab. That meant sending the Sun Enterprise series servers that handled SETI@home's databases and web traffic down to the university's Excess and Salvage department. Here they are sitting in the hallway waiting to go.

We had hoped they would end up in a museum somewhere, but unfortunately interest in SETI@home's hardware has faded even faster than the project did.

What we have not (yet) discarded are a couple thousand DLT tapes containing the raw data from the first 6 years of SETI@home. We would like to have the data transferred to a more accessible medium, but we no longer have a functioning DLT IV tape drive, or the funding to pay for a commercial data recovery service. As the group's presence at the Space Science Lab shrinks, those tapes will probably also be discarded as well.

Times change and the world moves on.
5) Message boards : News : Bryon Leigh Hatch and Arecibo have passed on. (Message 2062762)
Posted 2 Dec 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We got two pieces of really bad news yesterday. Byron Leigh Hatch, founder of the Carl Sagan team, all around smart and thoughtful guy, and a setizen since shortly after SETI@home began in 1999, passed away in August. There is a thread for leaving remembrances here. He will be missed.

And, of course, we were informed of the collapse of the elevated structure at Arecibo. It was clear after the second cable broke, the structure would come down soon. As much as we were unhappy that the repair efforts had to be abandoned because of the danger, it's clear now that it was the right call. It's our hope that we will find national support for building new scientific facilities on Puerto Rico in the near future.
6) Message boards : News : Final data is in the splitter queue. (Message 2042379)
Posted 1 Apr 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The last chunk of new SETI@home work has gone out. There's still a little astropulse to be split when disk space clears. Beyond that, there's only resends when validation fails.

Thanks for staying 'til the end.
7) Message boards : News : Final data is in the splitter queue. (Message 2042328)
Posted 1 Apr 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Both the SETI@home and Astropulse splitters are running very slowly because our workunit storage is full (which is because the assimilator is running so far behind). So you may get to enjoy an occasional work unit today.
8) Message boards : News : Final data is in the splitter queue. (Message 2042179)
Posted 1 Apr 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We will have to replace the RAC>1 requirement with a total credit requirement. We may also have to come up with an endorsement process to allow new users.
9) Message boards : News : Final data is in the splitter queue. (Message 2042046)
Posted 31 Mar 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Beta will be shutting down as well, until we have something for it to do.
10) Message boards : News : Final data is in the splitter queue. (Message 2042009)
Posted 31 Mar 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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As promised, we've stopped the process that puts new data into the queue today. Data distribution will continue until the files shown on the status pages are done. We'll be accepting results and resending results that didn't validate for a while.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : The Server Issues / Outages Thread - Panic Mode On! (119) (Message 2041837)
Posted 31 Mar 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I think I found the issue in a script that was supposed to trigger a resend on results unlikely to be returned. I turned the script off, so it should stop happening.

You didn't think this would go smoothly, did you?
12) Message boards : News : Jim_S has passed away. (Message 2041224)
Posted 29 Mar 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We are saddened to report that former moderator and long-term friend of SETI@home Jim Scott passed away unexpectedly this morning. Angela has started a thread where people can post their memories of Jim and offer condolences.
13) Message boards : News : New SETI Perspectives: "How did life begin on Earth and elsewhere?" (Message 2038994)
Posted 19 Mar 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Richard Lawn has posted a new SETI Perspective entitled How did life begin on Earth and elsewhere?.
14) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : This hurts me as much as it hurts you. (Message 2035328)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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By now you've heard that we will be shutting down work distribution at the end of March and putting the SETI@home servers into a hibernation state. I'd imagine that there are some emotional responses. I'm certainly going through the stages of grief, even though I'm hoping that it won't be a permanent state.

The unemotional analysis is that it's always been a matter of resources. Not only money, but time and personnel. We've been aware from the beginning that the time we spent keeping the project up and running was time we weren't working on post-processing. Our fundraising goals, what we needed to do everything simultaneously without falling behind, was always around $1M per year. We never came close. And without that level of resources, decades of computer time weren't really resulting in candidate lists that we could reobserve. The last 18 months we've been devoting more of our time to the post-processing, but our remaining resources were running out faster than our science results were arriving. And that's what really prompted this decision, the fear that we would run out of resources before we got our results.

Even then, it's hard to put a halt to a process that you gave 20 years of your life. I certainly haven't achieved everything I wanted to with SETI@home. I've still got my plans for SETI@home version 10, there was just never time to implement them. Maybe when we've finished our results papers I'll dust them off, assuming I can find the resources.

I know some of you are upset that you donated only to see the public participation part of the project end. If you donated for the disk array, we'll still need that. Jeff is in the process of assembling it. If you gave money in the annual drive, we'll have bills to pay all the way to the end (including page charges for the papers).

As part of my grieving process, I'm planning to post more frequently. That's not hard since my last post was 3.5 years ago.
15) Message boards : News : Low available work. (Message 2028671)
Posted 20 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Thanks for the offers of RAM. Unfortunately the database machines are maxed out for RAM at this point.

We'll be doing a full duration outage to reorganize both database machines tomorrow. The good news is that we've gotten to our target of a 20% reduction in the size of the result table. That means we'll be generating work at the normal rate today.
16) Message boards : News : Low available work. (Message 2028359)
Posted 18 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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For a couple of reasons, the result table has grown to the point where it no longer fits in main memory. That has been slowing the validators and assimilators, which is causing the result table to grow further.

We'd like to get it down to a manageable size before our Tuesday outage. To that end we are throttling work generation to a rate at which the table size is shrinking. We hope that this rate will increase as the table gets smaller.

So for the next few days work will be hard to come by (but not zero).
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2027879)
Posted 16 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Got two invalids on RX 5700 with 8.24 beta, in case it is relevant


The first result is missing a pulse, the second one has several too many. That's not nearly as bad as what was happening before. Pulse finding is one of the more stressful portions of the code.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2027496)
Posted 12 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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So far, so good:

1219 results have been through the validator
1158 (95%) have validated
35 (2.9%) are inconclusive and may validate later
26 (2.1%) are errors, but don't appear to be computation errors.

If things continue this way I will probably put the new app versions on the main projects tomorrow or tuesday.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2027409)
Posted 12 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Of course, the day I can't be near the computer is the day the beta splitter freezes. I'm copying in new data and unfreezing it.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2027250)
Posted 11 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Now have 3 validated, but not a wide variety of hardware yet...

https://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/workunit.php?wuid=12322527
https://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/workunit.php?wuid=12322590
https://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/workunit.php?wuid=12322707

222 results have gone out so far with the new app versions, so we'll have better statistics tomorrow.
21) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2027247)
Posted 11 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I think I've fixed that problem, so the 8.22s should no longer be sent.

So far 4 results have come back. One has been through the validator and it validated successfully.
22) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2027211)
Posted 10 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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As of about 30 seconds ago, the modified app (8.24__opencl_ati*) is on beta. Enjoy, I hope.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2027197)
Posted 10 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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According to AMD, the new driver also need a change to the OpenCL compile flags (get rid of -funsafe-math-optimizations). We'll be testing that in beta soon.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : The Server Issues / Outages Thread - Panic Mode On! (118) (Message 2026350)
Posted 4 Jan 2020 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Sorry, I just have not had time to figure out what has gone wrong with the beta SSDs. It could just be a file system problem. Or it could be worse. Hopefully this coming week I'll have a chance.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2025149)
Posted 27 Dec 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Some bad results are still coming through when AMD machines with the bad drivers pair up 2 out of 3. At its worst the problem was on par with bad CPUs in term of bad inserted results (which are usually a few out of every 100,000 results) . Compared to the amount of data we lose to RFI it's small, but we still try to prevent it.

If we decide the database and the download server can handle the additional load, I might bump the overflow quorum to 4 next week.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2025033)
Posted 26 Dec 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Since yesterday, we've fallen back to the old server so anonymous platform apps should be able to get work. Since this morning we should have had the validator that requires 3 results for overflow results. Merry Christmas!

Now I just need to explain why some workunits like this one are sneaking through.

<edit>Problem found and fixed....</edit>
27) Message boards : Number crunching : The Server Issues / Outages Thread - Panic Mode On! (117) (Message 2024312)
Posted 22 Dec 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Unfortunately there a database change that renders the 7.09 server inoperable. :(

Really going to bed this time.
28) Message boards : Number crunching : The Server Issues / Outages Thread - Panic Mode On! (117) (Message 2024305)
Posted 22 Dec 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Debugging the server is virtually impossible. If anyone wants to help.... The setiathome_server branch is at

https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/tree/setiathome_server/sched

Something goes wrong in the function SCHED_SHMEM::no_work.

bool SCHED_SHMEM::no_work(int pid) {
    if (!ready) return true;
    for (int i=0; i<max_wu_results; i++) {
        if (wu_results[i].state == WR_STATE_PRESENT) {
            wu_results[i].state = pid;
            return false;
        }
    }
    return true;
}


This function works properly unless the requesting computer has anonymous platform apps, for which it always returns true. How could that be? I don't know despite additional 500 lines of debugging code. It's almost as if something else is pausing anonymous platform requests until the queue is empty. Well it's bed time now. :(
29) Message boards : Number crunching : The Server Issues / Outages Thread - Panic Mode On! (117) (Message 2024252)
Posted 22 Dec 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I'm looking into the problem. Grrrrr.....
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Flakey AMD/ATI GPUs, including RX 5700 XT, Cross Validating, polluting the Database (Message 2024148)
Posted 21 Dec 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I've made a change to the validator that raises the effective quorum for overflow results. The should limit the number of successful cross validations for these GPUs.

That change is still missing a few, so I need to check the overflow detection mechanism. No, my mistake. It is working. The results I was looking at were before the change.
31) Message boards : News : Some server issues today... (Message 2023883)
Posted 20 Dec 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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It's the Friday before a holiday week and the servers know it.

The file system containing the beta project uploads directory is having problems, so beta is down until further notice.

This problem may be affecting the rate at which the main project can handle results, so the validation and assimilation queues are getting large, which may affect the rate of work generation.
32) Message boards : News : New paper on observing "Clarke Exo-belts" (Message 2021979)
Posted 7 Dec 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Just one Q: why is it important to find and study belts around exoplanets of M-class stars?

M-class stars are the most common type (around 75% of stars) and because they are the most common, most nearby stars are going to be M-class and most planets will be found around M-stars. The TESS mission, looking for nearby planetary systems, will mostly find planets around M-stars. That's why we spend a lot of time talking about M-stars. There aren't many stars like the sun (G-class) that are close enough for us to observe these effects (even though G-stars are much brighter than M-stars). It was also the focus of Hector Socas-Navarro's earlier paper on Clarke belts, and we wanted to respond to some of the misconceptions people had about that paper.

Of course we don't know if life is common around M-stars (yet).
33) Message boards : News : New paper on observing "Clarke Exo-belts" (Message 2021712)
Posted 4 Dec 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Dr. Korpela and his colleagues Prof. Shauna Sallmen and Ms. Kaisa Crawford-Taylor have published a new paper today in the Astronomical Journal about whether astronomers be able to detect belts of satellites circling planets around other stars. Unfortunately, the answer is that even the thickest satellite belts will be very difficult to see with current technology. Even the James Webb Space Telescope will find it difficult.

If, like most sentient beings in the Galaxy, you don't have a subscription to the Astronomical Journal you can see a preprint of the article at arXiv.org.
34) Message boards : News : Fall/Winter 2019 Funding drive has started (Message 2020975)
Posted 28 Nov 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We've started our 2019 funding drive. Many of you have probably received our email penned by Jeff Cobb who has been in the SETI group longer than I have. If you can't wait, you can read yours here.

Because of our continued effort to be GDPR compliant, we're not sending emails to anyone with an EU/EAA email addresses, anyone who listed an EU/EAA country, or anyone who listed "International" as their country. And, of course, anyone who has opted out of our emails won't get them.

Thanks for your support!
35) Message boards : News : New SETI Perspectives: "Is ET in Our Solar System?" (Message 2020719)
Posted 27 Nov 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Richard Lawn has posted a new SETI Perspectives entitled "Is ET in Our Solar System?"
36) Message boards : News : SETI@home news for Alexa (Message 2015866)
Posted 18 Oct 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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SETI@home member Morris Penasso has developed a SETI@home News "skill" for Amazon Alexa/Echo that can tell you the latest from our news feed.
You can get it here.
37) Message boards : News : New SETI Perspectives: "What to expect from ET?" (Message 2009623)
Posted 28 Aug 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Richard Lawn has posted another interesting article to "SETI Perspectives". This one is titled What to expect from ET? .
38) Message boards : News : Dan Werthimer wins 2019 Carl Sagan Prize. (Message 2009250)
Posted 25 Aug 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Congratulations to our own Dan Werthimer for winning the 2019 Carl Sagan Prize for Science Popularization! The Sagan Prize is presented specifically to recognize and encourage researchers who “have contributed mightily to the public understanding and appreciation of science.” You can read more about the Sagan Prize and see past winners at http://wonderfest.org/sagan-prize/ .
39) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric (Message 2001220)
Posted 5 Jul 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Thanks you all!!! I hadn't noticed the thread until today. I went to the lab on my birthday, and just kept my eyes on the screen for most of the day. Angela made me a lovely dinner when I got home.

Hope everyone had a great 4th!
40) Message boards : News : New SETI Perspectives: "Seeing the Unseeable: The Black Hole Image" (Message 2001216)
Posted 5 Jul 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Richard Lawn has posted another interesting article to "SETI Perspectives". This one is titled Seeing the Unseeable: The Black Hole Image and is about the Event Horizon Telescope's image of the black hole in M87.
41) Message boards : Cafe SETI : It's Angela's birthday! (Message 1995046)
Posted 24 May 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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And she's only slightly older than SETI@home.


(good cake)
42) Message boards : News : 20 years and counting! (Message 1994115)
Posted 18 May 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The screen saver is still there. But since nobody uses CRT display any more, the operating systems don't really prioritize keeping screen savers functioning. And as operating systems have gotten more security conscious they don't seems to want to put in the effort to support 3rd party screen savers that they fear may do dangerous things.

I find that on my home Windows 10 box, the screen saver works about half the time. The next update may break it entirely. On Macintosh, we made an update a while back that was supposed to fix the screen saver. I've heard from some people that it does, and others that it doesn't.

If you use the BOINC Manager, the "show graphics" menu item (or button in the advanced view) still seems to work if you are jonesing for graphics.
43) Message boards : News : 20 years and counting! (Message 1994043)
Posted 17 May 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Happy Anniversary! On this date in 1999, SETI@home came online. Since then millions of our volunteers have helped us sift through petabytes of data from multiple radio telescopes. ET still hasn't shown up to the party.

We're not discouraged. We're able to examine less than a tenth of a percent of the radio spectrum, over only 1/3 of the sky and a limited number of additional stars. But our capabilities are increasing every day. In 1999 it took up to a week to process a single workunit on a home PC. Now, on a machine with a GPU, it might only take a few minutes to do a far more detailed and more sensitive analysis. Who knows what the next 20 years will bring?
44) Message boards : News : SETI Perspectives article "Coming of Age for Optical SETI" (Message 1993347)
Posted 10 May 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Richard Lawn has written a new article, this one on the Panoramic Optical SETI effort, PANOSETI. As a bonus he includes a bit of an update on 'Oumuamua.
45) Message boards : News : The Drake Equation Revisited (Message 1988771)
Posted 4 Apr 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Richard Lawn has given us a new SETI Perspectives article to think about. This one is about the Drake Equation.
46) Message boards : News : Another crash (Message 1988485)
Posted 3 Apr 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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This time the primary database machine crashed and hasn't automatically recovered. We've fallen back to the replica machine, and the only symptom should be a few extra hours of outage.

I'm glad we have the replica.
47) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (115) Server Problems? (Message 1987462)
Posted 27 Mar 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We slowly climbing out of the ditch, but we still don't have a cause. It started suddenly at 7am Monday, so we're guessing that there was a change in hardware/software/DNS or routing at that point. We've got a trouble ticket in with campus networking and they are looking into it.

(My workaround was just to not let connection attempts sit in the local queues for long periods of time. Quick drops are often much better than those that hang around and prevent other connections.
That seems to have fixed the log jam, but there may still be people who can't connect.)
48) Message boards : News : New SETI Perspectives article (Message 1984816)
Posted 12 Mar 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Richard M Lawn has posted another interesting article to the SETI Perspectives forum. This one is about the mysteries of Fast Radio Burst (aka FRBs), possibly some of the most distant explosions ever seen.
49) Message boards : News : We're back up. (Message 1983711)
Posted 7 Mar 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Hopefully there won't be any further problem.

Our attempt to upgrade the memory on Oscar (the BOINC database machine) and Carolyn (the replica database) took a bit of DIMM swapping to find pairs of DIMMs that worked. Carolyn is still short two DIMMs (32 GB), but we didn't want to extend the outage any further to try to get it up to the full 192 GB.

We might try to max out Carolyn during the outage next week.

[edit]And as is usual after a long outage, we've got a large number of hosts out there starving for work. It'll take a little while before "no work" messages start to get less frequent.[/edit]
50) Message boards : News : Download server glitch (Message 1983293)
Posted 4 Mar 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The servers always seem to know when I'm going to be away. :(

I think I found and fixed the remaining problem.
51) Message boards : News : Download server glitch (Message 1982953)
Posted 1 Mar 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We had a problem with one of our download servers that was slowing down downloads and slowing down work generation. We've fixed the problem, but there are lots of people out there trying to download. It'll probably be a while before our downloads aren't swamped with requests.

Work ready to send has started trending back up, so we shouldn't end up with a work shortage.
52) Message boards : News : New forum, and a new contributor. (Message 1981932)
Posted 23 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We have added a new forum called SETI Perspectives that will showcase thoughts on SETI and related topics from people not directly connected with the Berkeley SETI group. Richard Lawn, Ph.D is our first contributor with an article about 'Oumuamua, the first object we've seen that convincingly originates from outside from outside the solar system. We hope have a long collaboration with Richard. Please welcome him into the SETI@home family.
53) Message boards : News : Setizen Gordon Lowe has passed away (Message 1981517)
Posted 21 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I'm sad to report that we've lost another long time SETI@home volunteer and moderator Gordon MacKenzie Lowe. A remembrance thread has been started here.

Gordon will be greatly missed.
54) Message boards : News : BOINC Open Source Project looking for experienced MacOS developers (Message 1981331)
Posted 20 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) system is the software infrastructure used by Einstein@Home and many other volunteer distributed computing projects. The BOINC Open Source Project is looking for volunteers to develop and maintain the BOINC client on macOS. The BOINC Client and Manager are C++ cross-platform code supporting Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, and several other operating systems. We currently have a number of volunteer developers supporting Windows and Linux, but our main macOS developer is winding down his involvement after many years. He is prepared to help a few new macOS developers get up to speed.

If you have macOS development experience and are interested in volunteering time to help support and maintain the BOINC macOS client please have a look at the more detailed description here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/MacDeveloper

If you want to help, please sign up to the BOINC Developer email list here: ​https://groups.google.com/a/ssl.berkeley.edu/forum/#!forum/boinc_dev.

If you are not a macOS developer, but have other skills and are interested in contributing to BOINC, the link above also has more general information.

Thank you!
55) Message boards : News : Storage machine crash.... (Message 1980557)
Posted 15 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We're working on a couple of large papers right now. We'll certainly post them when we're done.
56) Message boards : News : Storage machine crash.... (Message 1980347)
Posted 14 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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3rd consecutive day of no boinc stats update


Not sure why that would be. Our stats files are in place and have current timestamps.

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/stats/
57) Message boards : News : Storage machine crash.... (Message 1980206)
Posted 14 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Sorry for the late notice. The problems we had bloated the result table to about double its normal size. Hopefully it will be back down to normal next week.
58) Message boards : News : Storage machine crash.... (Message 1979678)
Posted 10 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The system eventually came back up and we're getting the missing workunits back online as quickly as we can. There will still be some download errors as things will be out of synchronization for a while. Some workunits that exist in the database may not have been flushed to disk before the system went down (although in theory our disk controllers shouldn't allow that to happen).
59) Message boards : News : Storage machine crash.... (Message 1979420)
Posted 8 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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A machine that was holding 15% of our outgoing workunits has crashed and refuses to start back up. Short term it means that attempts to access those workunits will cause an error until the workunit is marked as bad.

Sorry for the incovenience.
60) Message boards : News : Slow server for the next 8 hours or so... (Message 1978208)
Posted 2 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Definitely climate controlled. We have several rack in the UC Data Center. The workunit storage array is an external SuperMicro SAS box attached to georgem. We try to keep our arrays to a single manufacturer. The georgem arrays are Seagate, a combination of ST2000DM001 and ST2000DM009. For older Hitachi/HGST arrays it's getting difficult to find drives with 512 byte sectors, so those arrays will probably to mixed manufacturer at some point.

For kicks I looked at the age of files in the workunit storage (based upon a sample of 0.1%).


As you can see, half our files get deleted within a couple days, but some hang out for up to 60.
61) Message boards : News : Slow server for the next 8 hours or so... (Message 1978200)
Posted 2 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I think your math is off a bit.

700,000 * 710 kB = 496 GB

It's actually quite a bit more than that because the residence time of workunits is at least a day and we're pushing through about 1.25M per day these days. But's still less than 1TB.

In practice we use one 10x2TB RAID-10 for the data coming from Arecibo, and temporary storage of database backups, some other data sets that have low access demands. We use the other 10x2TB for outgoing workunits and little else because we want the full I/O capacity of the drives to handle the workunit transfers. If we moved to another system I'd probably want a triple mirrored set of 15 drives, or a move to SSD. Given that the space keeps getting rewritten, SSDs might not have a long enough lifetime.
62) Message boards : News : Slow server for the next 8 hours or so... (Message 1978176)
Posted 2 Feb 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks Eric for the news. Out of interest are big is the storage capacity in George M?


Not huge. Two RAID-10 arrays each with 10x2TB drives. So about 20TB usable.
63) Message boards : News : Slow server for the next 8 hours or so... (Message 1977747)
Posted 30 Jan 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
GeorgeM, the machine that holds the data that you download, decided that it was time to verify that the RAID array is in good shape. That will slow down disk access until the verify procedure is complete. The main effect is slowing down the rate at which work can be created. It's likely that we'll run out of work in the next hour or so. Things should recover automatically when it's done.
64) Message boards : News : Little bits of previously unfinished data. (Message 1976993)
Posted 25 Jan 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
While a lot of the dates are 2006, some are 2011 others are 2016. Most of these have log entries claiming they were done, but none of the results are in the database.
65) Message boards : News : Fall/Winter 2018 Funding Drive has started. (Message 1976780)
Posted 24 Jan 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, I can't fault Parkes for doing what is asked of them by the folks who provide their funding. We've always been an "along for the ride" project. My understanding is the delay will be months, not years.
66) Message boards : News : Fall/Winter 2018 Funding Drive has started. (Message 1976696)
Posted 24 Jan 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Unfortunately, Parkes took down the multibeam feed we were using for the galactic plane survey and put up the wideband feed. That put a bit of a hitch in our plans.
67) Message boards : News : Little bits of previously unfinished data. (Message 1974779)
Posted 11 Jan 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You may have noticed occasional bits of data from years past showing up in your queue. While running a completeness check I noticed some files that had never been completely analyzed. Some may have fallen through the cracks. Some may just be bad data that never made it through the splitters. I'm going to trickle them into the queue when the Arecibo queue is empty, just in case.
68) Message boards : News : Science database crash... (Message 1974778)
Posted 11 Jan 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've had screen saver problems on both Windows and MacOS. With the advent of flat panels, Microsoft and Apple apparently don't consider maintaining screensaver compatibility to be a priority. We might have to change the whole screen saver architecture in a future release.
69) Message boards : News : Science database crash... (Message 1973919)
Posted 7 Jan 2019 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We had a minor science database crash today that brought work generation to a halt. Everything appears to be OK with no data losses. We should [be] entirely back up at this point, but I'll keep checking things out.
70) Message boards : News : Report from the NASA Technosignatures Workshop released. (Message 1971389)
Posted 21 Dec 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The report from the NASA Technosignatures Workshop has been uploaded to arxiv.org. You can find it here if you are looking for some light reading.
71) Message boards : News : Fall/Winter 2018 Funding Drive has started. (Message 1966173)
Posted 19 Nov 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And as of today, https://www.gridcoinstats.eu/project doesn't show SETI@home as a whitelisted project. I assume it's a mistake because we have been continually generating credit and stats. If it continues I'll look into it.
72) Message boards : News : Fall/Winter 2018 Funding Drive has started. (Message 1966165)
Posted 19 Nov 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The server Centurion handles the Green Bank Telescope data, do we know yet what the Parkes data server will be called?


The server is named "amigos." It seemed appropriate since the bulk of the funding came from three people.
73) Message boards : News : Fall/Winter 2018 Funding Drive has started. (Message 1966164)
Posted 19 Nov 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Our gridcoin wallet is listed on the donation page... SHJ1iGtngsrMNHXEc8K8J7yxqkaJ6og4du . My mining goes directly into it.
74) Message boards : News : Fall/Winter 2018 Funding Drive has started. (Message 1966059)
Posted 18 Nov 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've started our 2018 funding drive. Many of you have probably received our email penned by one of our undergraduate researchers. If you can't wait, you can read yours here.

Because we're not yet fully GDPR compliant, we're not sending emails to anyone with an EU/EAA email addresses, anyone who listed an EU/EAA country, or anyone who listed "International" as their country. And, of course, anyone who has opted out of our emails won't get them.

Thanks for your support!
75) Message boards : News : Account deletion enabled... (Message 1964284)
Posted 10 Nov 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've finally got the BOINC account deletion feature installed and enabled. Account deletion cannot be undone. You'll also need your password and a valid email address for identity verification.

You can access it from your account settings on the web site.
76) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Download server is self-blocking download of cufft32_32_16.dll and preventing work (Message 1961165)
Posted 20 Oct 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
They didn't manage to get it figured out before the end of the day yesterday.
77) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Download server is self-blocking download of cufft32_32_16.dll and preventing work (Message 1960989)
Posted 19 Oct 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll look into it. The UCB Data Center switched to a new firewall configuration. That could have something to do with it.
78) Message boards : News : NASA Technosignatures Workshop Webcast (Message 1959534)
Posted 10 Oct 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Video of the talks is now at https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/technosignatures2018/agenda/.
79) Message boards : News : NASA Technosignatures Workshop Webcast (Message 1958066)
Posted 1 Oct 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The recordings will be posted. I'll post the URL when they are available.
80) Message boards : News : NASA Technosignatures Workshop Webcast (Message 1957365)
Posted 26 Sep 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes
81) Message boards : News : NASA Technosignatures Workshop Webcast (Message 1957320)
Posted 26 Sep 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
NASA TV will be livestreaming the Technosignatures workshop at this URL. The workshop is about the numberous ways we could search for extraterrestrial technologies. Many of the Berkeley SETI personnel will be speaking today (Wednesday). The agenda can be found here
82) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : No graphics on Mac 8.04 version (Message 1956357)
Posted 19 Sep 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Charlie Fenton found the problem. The executable bits weren't set on the setigraphics_8.04 binary. If you go into the BOINC directory and change them manually it should work. Or you can reset the project and it should download new executables.
83) Message boards : News : Revised scale of significance of ET detection published. (Message 1946211)
Posted 25 Jul 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
A group of SETI astronomers led by Duncan Forgan, and including myself and BSRC director Andrew Siemion, has published a revised version of the Rio Scale. The Rio Scale is designed to predict the public impact a signal would have, like the Richter scale does for earthquakes. The prior version of the Rio scale, in addition to being rarely used, tended to overestimate the impact of low quality or low significance reports of detection.

Now all we have to do is convince other SETI astronomers and the press to use it.

There is a related article at GeekWire.

A calculator for Rio 2.0 scores in now available here.
84) Message boards : News : "Are we alone?" on VICE (Message 1937642)
Posted 30 May 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The HBO series VICE will be broadcasting an episode with a segment entitled "Are we alone?" starting June 1 at 11pm EST. It will be available on HBO streaming service, HBO GO, at 7:30pm EST.

The segment includes interviews with the father of modern SETI, Frank Drake, and a SETI@home volunteer, John Fluth, who has been a part of the project nearly as long as I have. We'll be interested in seeing your reaction to this piece.

Trailers are available through facebook and twitter.
85) Message boards : News : Dropped packets (Message 1933040)
Posted 1 May 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Posted by CSS IT ~ mp
On 4/30/2018 at 7:14 am PST
Modified on 5/1/2018 at 5:06 am PST
Modified by CSS IT ~ mp
Posted in Unscheduled Outage
Outage Type: UNSCHEDULED OUTAGE (AMENDED)
Date Submitted: Monday, April 30, 2018
Outage Start/End Time: 0700 – TBD
Groups Impacted: Campus
Equipment: Campus Network

Description: UPDATE: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 1:59am – The firewall has been stable since 12:42am, services appear to be restored. The vendor will continue monitoring.

Monday, April 30, 2018 8:51pm – This evening at 7:06pm the data center firewalls reloaded on their own. The vendor is currently working to restore service.

Monday, April 30, 2018 3:38pm – The firewalls have been stable since 11:40am this morning. Users may need to check/restart services that could have hung during the outage.

IST staff are still working on the root cause of this outage. This evening after business hours at 10:00pm, the network team will troubleshoot further to fully restore network services.

Monday, April 30, 2018 2:20pm – This continues to be a sporadic ongoing issue and the network team is working to resolve the problem. There is no ETA at this time.

Monday, April 30, 2018 10:17am – IST staff is aware of instability to the Palto Alto Firewall in the Earl Warrent Data Center and are troubleshooting to determine the cause and work toward a resolution.

Monday, April 30, 2018 9:17am – The Service Desk continues to receive reports of network issues affecting many services including CAS, VPN, and connectivity to other applications hosted on campus. The network team is working to correct the issue as quickly as possible. All workloads hosted in our environment are up and running and should respond normally as soon as the issue is resolved.

The Service Desk are receiving calls of intermittent network issues.

IST staff is working quickly to identify the source of the problem and to restore services as quickly as possible.

INC:INC0660327
86) Message boards : News : Dropped packets (Message 1932903)
Posted 30 Apr 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The UC data center switched over to a new firewall this morning. Since then packets into and out of the data center have been suffering drops. The Data Center staff is debugging the problem, we'll probably be dropping packets until it's resolved.
87) Message boards : News : Unexplained database slowness (Message 1930419)
Posted 17 Apr 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The experimental reorg that we did two weeks ago appears to have worked. Our speed is better, and our outage last week was down to about 3.5 hours.

Fingers crossed that things keep working out.
88) Message boards : News : Unexplained database slowness (Message 1927456)
Posted 31 Mar 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The database has gotten hung up a couple of times with slow queries. I've restarted it once and that seems to have helped. It'll take several hours to be sure.

If that didn't solve the problem, it probably means the index the server uses to choose workunits to send has gotten corrupted. If I need to rebuild it, we'll probably be down most of tomorrow while I do so.
89) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1920689)
Posted 23 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The network guys think the problem is fixed, but they never identified the problem.

What fixed the problem? A power outage happened at Green Bank, and that may have reset whatever piece of equipment was causing the problem.

Not very satisfying, but hopefully it stays fixed.

When in doubt reach for the big red switch.
90) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1919912)
Posted 19 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I assume that Jeff worked the magic to get at least some data in place. I would imagine that talk this week will be about shipping drives and the hardware needed to support it.
91) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1919613)
Posted 18 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What's the hurry? We've got all the time in the world.


I, for one, am getting old.
92) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1919551)
Posted 17 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yeah, connection is nearly flat dead right now. I've got better connectivity to Arecibo. Jeff's only got so much time this weekend and Matt is on tour again.

Thinking about mounting a big spool of fiber on top of the Prius and laying a line to West Virginia.
93) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1918795)
Posted 14 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Regarding that, we were able to get 1.2 Gbps through the link this week. We're not sure yet if that's a fix, or a temporary improvement.
94) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1917895)
Posted 9 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I hope everything works out as well Eric thanks for the update.

Out of curiosity when everything is working as it should between Greenbank and Berkely are all of the tapes shown on the server status page transferred is one file or are they transferred individually (but all downloaded at the same time)
Thanks in advance. I appreciate you taking the time to answer


I believe Matt uses multiple parallel rsync connections, one from each of the compute nodes on the Greenbank side. So each file goes over a single connection, but separate files may go over separate connections. Each of the names listed on the status page actually consists of multiple files, each no larger than 4GB.
95) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1917689)
Posted 8 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Related to Green Bank ... What did you find with the Slow splitting and deletion of GB data?
It appears the system has got back up to normal speeds.


We found no obvious reasons why it occurred, nor why it stopped occurring. It could have been related to slow inserts or queries due to the size of the result and workunit tables in the BOINC (mysql) database. I changed some db_purge settings to increase delete speed, but I don't think that solved the problem.

Fingers crossed it doesn't happen again.
96) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1917528)
Posted 7 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's probably not a net neutrality issue, because this mostly (or entirely) goes over non-commercial (state or federally run) research networks.

Jeff's been converting some more old but unanalyzed files, and Matt is going to try and grab some more data tonight.
97) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1917257)
Posted 6 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Let us know if new hardware is needed Eric. We can certainly mount another donation drive as we proved there is earnest commitment to the project on the last one.


If we do have to go to shipping disk there will be lots of drives to buy, and an enclosure on each side of the country.
98) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1917200)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Still nothing here in New Zealand... I have 2 computers dedicated to running data and they are getting bored waiting for work... LOL.
Seriously, what is happening??


Well, the network folks are still debugging and haven't isolated the problem. I've thought about requesting that they replace all the hardware between here and GBT.

Matt is talking about the possibility of shipping disks (for Breakthrough purposes primarily), but the hardware necessary probably couldn't be in place for a couple months, assuming GBT will let us use additional space and power there.
99) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1917176)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Definitely certainly clear it with the boss/owners first. You wouldn't want to find out on Monday that they pay by the byte.
100) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1917167)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
A couple TB or early observations will be coming online soon.

One small file copied over from last nights AO observation and is in the radar blanker queue.
101) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1917129)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
POGS, Milyway and Rosetta seem to have work.
102) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1917124)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We have repeatedly suggested that in addition to SETI@home (with priority 100) people connect to multiple projects with priority 0 or 1, so you'll always have something useful to do.

We have very little control over what happens at the observatories, or on the networks between us.

Yes, Jeff ran into some snags with the data. Matt's unavailable to transfer more data from GBT until tomorrow.


Splitter seem to be down to me....

I dunno, seriously considering moving most of my hardware to F@H. I just get back into DC with new equipment.. ThreadRipper is idle yet again. I don't remember that SETI has been down for so long or had so many problems... Been doing S@H for over 15 years with various accounts and hardware.

Perhaps you guys have enough volunteers to do the WU's you need and my resources could be used elsewhere.

Thanks.
103) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1916954)
Posted 4 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, Jeff ran into some snags with the data. Matt's unavailable to transfer more data from GBT until tomorrow.
104) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1916745)
Posted 3 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Jeff has found an old stash of data that we haven't done yet. He has to do some header fix up (because really old data has incorrect values in the header), and then convert it from 16-bit complex format to 4-bit complex format.

With luck more data should be online tonight or tomorrow.
105) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1916494)
Posted 2 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It turns out that using Google Cloud as an intermediary is more expensive than we thought. It's costing us about $100/TB. We can only do a TB every couple of days because Breakthrough needs 10 TB/day for their own stuff. Anyone have a 10GB link to the commodity internet that they'd let us build a tunnel through?

Lighting a fire under the people who run the networks between here and GBT is proving difficult. There seem to be problem getting to other internet2 nodes in WV, so the problem may be on that side.
106) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XXIV - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1916329)
Posted 1 Feb 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Can you see it if you go to the album link? https://photos.app.goo.gl/MOE5cx1xDKRdN8ry2
107) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1916012)
Posted 31 Jan 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I don't know in what format the Green Bank data is stored. If it is on physical drives, couldn't you just overnight them via FedEx? Assuming you have the correct hardware on your end to mount them and get the data into the splitters, wouldn't that keep us going for a few more days until campus networking gets off their Level One script reader response?


Unfortunately Breakthrough needs the drives for daily observations, so we can't pull and ship the way we did with Arecibo. (That and they are in a fairly large raid configuration, so we'd probably need to ship all of them).
108) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1915968)
Posted 31 Jan 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Regarding Arecibo data, we're slow trickling what data there is on the data recorder's mounted drive at 5 Mbps (500 kBps). That's all we're allowed to use because Arecibo only has a 30 Mbps wireless link. Their fiber link was cut in the Hurricane, and there's no estimate of when it will be fixed.

The bad news is we've pulled all the data off that drive, and no ALFA observations are scheduled until Feb 4, so no more Arecibo data until the 5th at the earliest.
109) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1915966)
Posted 31 Jan 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Matt was able to get us 1.6 TB of data (enough for a day and a half) by first transferring the data to Google storage, then to Berkeley. The problem appears to be somewhere in the internet2 route between Berkeley and Green Bank. We're pushing on campus networking to consider it a real problem (they keep asking if we've checked our cables, even though the problem exists on several machines).

More news tomorrow, we hope.
110) Message boards : News : Slow network connection to Green Bank (Message 1915795)
Posted 29 Jan 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Something is happening to the network connection between Green Bank and Berkeley that is slowing down the rate at which we can transfer data for splitting. We've opened a trouble ticket with campus networking services. Hopefully they will be able to find and fix the problem quickly. Until then, work may be in short supply.
111) Message boards : News : Long outage... (Message 1914728)
Posted 24 Jan 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The outage ran long today because we needed to run down to the data center to swap some bad drives with new ones and reboot a few of the machine to pick up kernel and mysql updates.

Sorry for the delay.
112) Message boards : News : Projects are (no longer) down (Message 1910847)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It turns out there was a typo in a configuration file that was making the splitters restart repeatedly. I finally figured it out this morning. We should be approaching a normal splitting rate. If we don't start building a queue I'll add more GBT splitters.

And you've probably noticed that we are out of Arecibo data. We don't have a good idea of when we'll get more.
113) Message boards : News : Projects are (no longer) down (Message 1910767)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll check the GBT splitters. They seem like they should be working.
114) Message boards : News : Projects are (no longer) down (Message 1910741)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We are back. When I've had a chance to catch my breath I'll post a summary of what went wrong. Nothing lost except many hours of my time.
115) Message boards : News : Now accepting donations of gridcoin. (Message 1907760)
Posted 17 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, I will say that I'm certainly not a full convert to cryptocurrencies, in that it is only supply and demand that set their value. Should demand for a cryptocurrency drop to zero, the value will as well. With quantum computing there may be a technological limit to the value of existing cryptocurrencies.

But we will accept them if the cost to us of accepting them is small, even if the cost to utilize the currency is not negligible.

For those not into cryptocurrencies, the benefit is that you can earn a few cents a day in gridcoin by crunching on certain BOINC projects, which we are already doing. The drawback it that it's not easy for a non-technical person to participate, and it's not immediately clear you're doing it right.
116) Message boards : News : Now accepting donations of gridcoin. (Message 1906803)
Posted 13 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Because of several requests, I've resurrected the idea that we could take donation in gridcoin, a cryptocurrency you can earn by participating in volunteer computing projects.

Our gridcoin address is now listed on our donation page.
117) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1906451)
Posted 11 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks everyone for the awe inspiring response. For those who donate through GPUUG/Paypal, I'll start entering your donations in the database as soon as I can. If you donated by check, it will take a little longer.
118) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1905657)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The response has been amazing! We've already reached our goal for the fundraiser and a bit more, and we reached the limits to which the donors have agreed to match. Any further matching of donations is up to them. If you didn't get a chance to get your special disk drive or GPU icon, we'll keep that open for donations that come in until 8am Pacific Time (1600 UTC) on Monday.

Thanks to Al, Kevin, and Richard for sponsoring this amazing funding drive! And thanks to everyone that has donated to this drive and to our annual drive!
119) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1905628)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I am pretty sure that during the campaign all the donations collected from anywhere are going towards it.


Yes, that is correct. It's easier that way, and sometimes the "special instructions" seem to not make it us when we get notified of the gift.
120) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1905471)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We now have icons, but I should space them from the names. They also disappear for a few seconds every time Matt's script runs, but I'll fix that. Still need to fix the problem with Keith's donation page.
121) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1905454)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've found the problem! As soon as I change the donation flags, the "flag setter" that Matt wrote a decade ago sets them back to what they were. I need to fix the "flag setter".

That goes for Keith's problem as well. I fixed it, and the "flag setter" unfixed it in a few minutes.
122) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1905451)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think I fixed the "DONATION_LINE_FOUR" problem. It should have been DONATION_LINK_FOUR.

I also think I've fixed Keith's donation page.

But I still don't understand why my new icons aren't showing up... I'll think about it on the drive home.
123) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1905437)
Posted 7 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hmmmm... that obviously didn't work. It just took existing stars away. Debugging.
124) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1905424)
Posted 7 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks for remind me to continue trying to figure out that problem.
125) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1905385)
Posted 7 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm still designing the icons, so it'll be a little while before you see them.
126) Message boards : News : Special Fundraiser for Parkes Data Store and GPU development system (Message 1905371)
Posted 7 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks to our collaboration with Breakthrough Listen and their international colleagues, we will soon have the ability to access data recorded at the Parkes Radio Telescope in Australia. For the first time, this will give us full-sky coverage, including the southern hemisphere, in our search for ET. However, due to the enormous amount of data that the 13-beam receiver at Parkes can generate, we will require extra hardware to store and distribute it. We need your help to purchase this.

Thanks to some special offers, one from the Hanson family in memory of Robert W. & Mary P. Hanson, one from Richard Haselgrove in memory of his mother, Jenifer Leech, and one from Mr. Kevvy, we have the possibility to match donations which will allow us to purchase the Parkes Data store server (~$34K) and the GPU development systems (~$10K) we will need for the coming year. For every dollar you donate in this special fund raiser, Mr. Kevvy will match it, the Hanson Family will match it with two, and Richard Haselgrove will match it with two more. That means for every dollar you donate we'll get six dollars towards the purchase of these servers!

Because this is a special fundraiser we'll have special notation on your account page and on the forums. The 12TB disk drives in the Parkes Data Store cost $450. One sixth of that is $75. So, a donation of $75 or more gets you a disk drive icon. The GPUs in the GPU development machine that we will be using for our recording systems at future telescopes are $1500 each, so a donation of $250 or more will get you a GPU icon. And as always, any donation of $10 or more will get you a green star.

But in the end, it's not about the icons: it's about getting the data and making a discovery for the ages. Your help, whether by crunching data or by donating, is always appreciated.
127) Message boards : News : Splitters off, again :( (Message 1905174)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We are back up and splitting.
128) Message boards : News : Splitters off, again :( (Message 1905033)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I had to turn the splitters off, again. I underestimated the rate at which we were creating work (damn moveable decimal points!). I thought we could go without adding more space to the database until we had time (tomorrow morning) to delete the old database spaces.

I was wrong, we really zoomed through the files on disk, and we ran out of space. Deleting database spaces is dangerous, so I really want Jeff to check the command script before it gets run. That won't happen until morning. But once it does we'll be back in operation.

Hopefully most SETIzens won't even notice this short absence of work.
129) Message boards : News : Berkeley SETI Research Center undergraduate research internships, summer 2018 (Message 1904902)
Posted 5 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Applications are invited for 10-week paid undergraduate research internships at Berkeley SETI Research Center for summer 2018. BSRC is a
world-leader in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence – the quest for a scientific answer to one of humanity’s oldest questions: Are we
alone in the Universe? Housed in the Astronomy Department at the University of California, Berkeley, the team at BSRC leads the science
program for the $100-million Breakthrough Listen project. Our scientists and engineers are pioneers in the development of software,
instrumentation, and science strategy for the search for intelligent life on other worlds. We have access to substantial amounts of time on
the planet’s largest telescopes, connections to leading players in industry, and we’re based in one of the world’s premiere astronomy
research institutions. We’re also psyched that we get to wake up each day and hunt for aliens.

Current sophomore, junior, and senior undergraduates (including non-US citizens) studying at a degree-granting institution in the US are eligible to
apply. Around 5 - 7 positions will be available. A stipend of $20 / hr (up to a maximum of $8000) will be provided. Details and links to the application form are at https://seti.berkeley.edu/Internship.html
130) Message boards : News : We're generating work again. (Message 1904327)
Posted 2 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It took a bit longer than I thought it would, but we're back online. It'll probably be a few days before we have a full ready-to-send queue.

Now we can get back to finding ET.
131) Message boards : News : No work. Database issues. (Message 1904325)
Posted 2 Dec 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It took a little longer than I thought it would, but we're generating work again.

Sorry for the delay.
132) Message boards : News : No work. Database issues. (Message 1903656)
Posted 29 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
At first I thought the restart on Tuesday had solved our database problems. I guess I was wrong. It only fixed some of them.

We've hit yet another hidden limit in our Informix science database. The good news is that we know how to fix this one. The bad news is it will take a little while.

We don't have to wait for the full fix before starting to split again, but the point at which we can split will probably be sometime tomorrow. Until then, we only have a few re-dos and a little bit of astropulse to do.
133) Message boards : News : Richard Lubrich has passed away. (Message 1903361)
Posted 29 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Long time setizen, Richard Lubrich (Dr. C.E.T.I., aka Dr. SETI, aka nobody) passed away today. Richard was a fixture on the forums from our earliest days. He was a great friend to SETI@home and will be greatly missed.
134) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1901240)
Posted 15 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We had a drive in the array that holds the workunits that was generating errors. I've kicked it out of the array. We'll see if the rebuild fixes the problem.

I don't like the looks of WU 2739307008. One host successfully downloaded and ran it. Everybody else is getting D/L errors on it, 5 hosts so far. My machine's Event Log shows:

11/9/2017 7:17:34 AM | SETI@home | Started download of blc24_2bit_guppi_57895_43958_HIP91357_0024.29905.818.23.46.0.vlar
11/9/2017 7:17:38 AM | SETI@home | Finished download of blc24_2bit_guppi_57895_43958_HIP91357_0024.29905.818.23.46.0.vlar
11/9/2017 7:17:38 AM | SETI@home | [error] MD5 check failed for blc24_2bit_guppi_57895_43958_HIP91357_0024.29905.818.23.46.0.vlar
11/9/2017 7:17:38 AM | SETI@home | [error] expected 4bb0fee3928609f2b1df21e44ac13b4e, got 450a32005c6700d7ab95284edc959572
11/9/2017 7:17:38 AM | SETI@home | [error] Checksum or signature error for blc24_2bit_guppi_57895_43958_HIP91357_0024.29905.818.23.46.0.vlar
I just downloaded the WU manually and didn't seem to have any errors. The file doesn't appear to be truncated, either, ending with "</workunit>" as the last line.
I just downloaded it as well. I got a manual MD5 of 450a32005c6700d7ab95284edc959572, the same as BOINC calculated for yours: that would suggest that the MD5 stored in the database when the file was created (so that the comparison can be done) might be corrupted.

EXCEPT: the person who downloaded the _0 replication got a clean download. _1 was a file size error (my download was 720,530 bytes, which is close enough without knowing the precise number of bytes expected): all the others got the MD5 error.

Which suggests that something was messing with, either, the database MD5 values, or, the stored files on disk. Neither really bears thinking about, and both are a long way outside our control. As Rob says, take the day off.
135) Message boards : News : Database slowness (Message 1900554)
Posted 11 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
since about 2 days it started it has become very slow
my pc has just turned itself off and shut down
and independently removed 2 annoying suspicious entries


I was having similar symptoms, a few days ago. I fixed it by taking a damp Q-tip to the vanes of my CPU heat sink. CPU temperature dropped by 30C. One of these days someone will invent a self cleaning heat sink. (Reversible fan maybe?)
136) Message boards : News : Database slowness (Message 1900553)
Posted 11 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I bumped the memory allocated to the database by 20% and transferred some common queries to the replica. Things things seem to have stabilized.
137) Message boards : News : Database slowness (Message 1900400)
Posted 11 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're having some as yet unexplained slowness with the our BOINC database. There don't seem to be any hardware issues. Temperatures are running normal and all the drives seem good. Yet for some reason the query that fills the "ready to send" queue is running about 10 times slower than it normally does.

Until I get it fixed, it means that on average we're sending out 3 workunits a second rather than 30+.

I'll let you know when I've got it figured out.
138) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : completed tasks (Message 1900266)
Posted 10 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll put some more effort today into trying to catch one of these happening on the server side.
139) Message boards : News : SETI@home 2017 fundraising drive has begun. (Message 1899374)
Posted 5 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Now read that again, "300TB storage/splitting system @ $30,000", which is not just drives. There's the drives' enclosure/s plus what ever CPU cores are necessary to cater for it as well as all the hardware required for the splitters. There's a lot more to it than what you have read into it. ;-)

Cheers.


Yes, it's the high end CPUs and the half terabyte of RAM that get it up there. We've thought about a separate system for the CPUs and low end CPUs/small RAM in the storage box, but that adds to network costs. The system drives would be SSD, but the data drives would be plain old 10TB spinners in RAID 6 configuration. We haven't chosen which RAID cards, but they'd probably be high end LSI. I wish LSI had ported the 3ware CLI to all their cards. The LSI CLI isn't good with our monitoring automation.
140) Message boards : News : SETI@home 2017 fundraising drive has begun. (Message 1899138)
Posted 4 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Keith,

I haven't made a 2017 budget, but it won't be significantly different from last years. Of course, this is a desired budget. The reality is rarely what we desired. In the last year we received about $90k in donations and $150k from Breakthrough Listen. Call it $240k total.

The current staff is me at 75% time, Jeff at about 50% time, and David at about 25% time. That costs us about $220k (including health insurance, benefits, overhead). We would like to hire a sysadmin to replace Matt and a postdoc to work on SETI@home version 10. We've identified some sources of funding that would allow us to make such hires on a "funding available" basis, but finding a good sysadmin that isn't already overemployed can be tough. Finding a postdoc who is both qualified and interested can be difficult as well.

Our data center charges run about $650 per month, so there's $8k. That leaves us about $12k for other expenses, replacement parts, a GPU here or there. I haven't charged SETI@home for any of my travel to conferences in the last two years (I've paid out of my own pocket) to save money.

The big additional expense this coming year is a 300TB storage/splitting system for the Parkes data, which will run about $30k. I was hoping to make that a special part of this funding drive, but I rand out of time.

Eric
141) Message boards : News : SETI@home 2017 fundraising drive has begun. (Message 1898909)
Posted 3 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've started our annual fundraising drive to help raise the money we need to keep SETI@home running and expand it to new telescopes. Your computers provide us with the power to analyze this data, but your donations are an important part of keeping us operating.

If you haven't yet received your fundraising letter, you can preview it here. You can donate at https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_donate.php.

Thanks for keeping SETI@home going!
142) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : completed tasks (Message 1898539)
Posted 1 Nov 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The HTTP error 500 connections aren't even showing up in the log. I'm trying to catch a connection from your IP address in a debugger to see if I can see why.
143) Message boards : News : BSRC Student Travel Fundraiser (Message 1892972)
Posted 2 Oct 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Berkeley SETI Research Center is holding a fundraiser to raise $7000 to send our student interns to conferences to present their work.

We’ve been working with some great students at Berkeley SETI, and we’re optimistic that some of them will become the scientists and engineers who lead the field in future and maybe even find the signal we’re searching for. In the meantime they have been doing amazing work and we’d like to send them to academic conferences to present their results, and for their own professional development. If you would like to help with this effort, we are running a crowdfunding campaign at https://crowdfund.berkeley.edu/SETItravel - every donation counts! We also have some fun perks including the chance to ask questions to members of the Berkeley SETI team, and to attend a party in our lab.

Although this does not directly benefit SETI@home (our annual fundraiser will start in a couple weeks), it's a worthy cause. I'll be contributing!
144) Message boards : News : Arecibo Status (Message 1891785)
Posted 25 Sep 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I see you've all seen info about the damage to the telescope and the smaller 12 meter antenna. Generator power will be provided intermittently at the observatory as fuel is scarce. Communication is difficult. Both hospitals in Arecibo (town) are out of commission, it appears. Travel is still difficult, with many roads blocked.

Food, fuel, and medical services will be the big concerns for Puerto Rico in the near future. Meanwhile Congress isn't even going to start talking about aid to Puerto Rico until next week at the earliest.
145) Message boards : News : Arecibo Status (Message 1891181)
Posted 21 Sep 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've been asked by several people to post a status update on the situation at Arecibo following hurricane Maria's passage.

Unfortunately, at this point we haven't gotten any news. The last information we have is from a couple hours prior to when the eye passed Arecibo. That report said all the employees were accounted for and in sheltered buildings.

Since then we've had no news. That's understandable. With power out on the whole island, electronics communications aren't going to be possible for some time. Heavy rains are still expected today, so I'm sure that the primary concern is still keeping everyone safe. Assessment of any damage will take time.

Let's hope that everyone is safe, that their homes are intact, and that any damage can be repaired quickly.
146) Message boards : News : Data from "Tabby's Star" is flowing. (Message 1891179)
Posted 21 Sep 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

do you know if Seti@home might one day be allowed to receive data from China's new radio Telescope ?


We're working on it. We're working with the Chinese to design a SERENDIP VI system and a Fast Radio Burst system for FAST. Those system will have a primary scientist who is in China and main data analysis effort will be there. The situation with SETI@home is more complicated, with more cross border interaction. Fingers crossed...
147) Message boards : Cafe SETI : RIP Dr SETI (Message 1891176)
Posted 21 Sep 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I hope Richard knows he is in our thoughts.
148) Message boards : News : Data from "Tabby's Star" is flowing. (Message 1888535)
Posted 8 Sep 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Got 4 of them, 3 of those ran for 13,14 and 15 seconds before finishing. Triplet count: 30.

Let's hope that it's not really 75% of them that do that.


It shouldn't be. The non-L-band workunits at GBT are a bit messier (astronomy pun) than the L-band, but most of them should run to completion.
149) Message boards : News : Data from "Tabby's Star" is flowing. (Message 1888534)
Posted 8 Sep 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Is the double size the new standard then?


Double size is the new standard for both Arecibo and GBT (and eventually Parkes). Unless UC complains about the extra traffic. I don't think they'll even notice it.
150) Message boards : News : Data from "Tabby's Star" is flowing. (Message 1888533)
Posted 8 Sep 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That error is pretty weird. Why would it send part of a notice when getting a work_unit. I'll check the server logs to see if these "headers" are actually being received. Are downloads completing properly?
151) Message boards : News : Data from "Tabby's Star" is flowing. (Message 1888412)
Posted 7 Sep 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
For those who didn't recognize the name KIC8462852 in their work unit names, this data comes from GBT observations of Tabby's Star (aka Boyajian's Star, aka WTF-0001, aka the Weirdest star in the galaxy). This is not yet the full data set, which lives at Penn State, it's some test on-target/off-target observations that we're checking out.

You might also notice another change. We've doubled the size of our work units which will reduce our quantization noise by 34%, and, depending on the strength of other noise sources, could give us as much as double that as a sensitivity increase.
152) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday, Eric (Message 1876726)
Posted 4 Jul 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thank you all for the birthday wishes. Angela overfed and over-libated me. The cake was delicious. I'll be eating it for days.
153) Message boards : News : A 3D tour of the Green Bank Telescope. (Message 1875533)
Posted 28 Jun 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We took a GoPro Omni 360 VR camera up to the top of the Green Bank Telescope, the largest steerable radio telescope in the world. Join us on Part 1 of our journey, as we check out the telescope wheels that each carry more than a million pounds of weight, and learn about the 2004 individually controllable panels that make up the surface of the dish, which is larger than a football stadium.
154) Message boards : News : Engadget article on SETI (Message 1869987)
Posted 28 May 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Engadget has published an article on SETI which includes discussion of Breakthrough Listen and SETI@home.
155) Message boards : Cafe SETI : CRL (Angela) got a new hat for her birthday. (Message 1869210)
Posted 25 May 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Everybody wish her a happy birthday!
156) Message boards : News : Free Speech and SETI@home (Message 1868988)
Posted 24 May 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

The (mostly) archaic second-person singular possessive pronominal adjective is “thy”, not “thine”.


You got me there. I'm a scientist, so you can't really expect me to speak (or write) English properly. I should have done it in French where the rules are more obvious.
157) Message boards : News : New SETI@home web article in "The Atlantic" (Message 1868984)
Posted 24 May 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The Atlantic has published a new article entitled A Brief History of SETI@home featuring interviews of Dan Werthimer, David Anderson, and Eric Korpela.
158) Message boards : News : Dr. Steve Croft on Deep Astronomy (Message 1867808)
Posted 17 May 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Berkeley SETI's Steve Croft is joining other SETI and exoplanet researchers on Deep Astronomy right now (4 pm PDT, 2300 UTC). If you join live you can ask questions of these scientists.
159) Message boards : News : Free Speech and SETI@home (Message 1864124)
Posted 28 Apr 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dude...the SPLC has about as much credibility in the real world as teh Black Panthers do.



you might want to keep in mind you live in one of the most protected environments on the planet..a uni campus and while many o the people there love the SPLC, the more general public, in examining some of the SPLC's calls, are deciding that they are a little less than objective.


I don't live on a university campus. I live in a working class suburb which is still considered a "hick town", although I would suspect that suburb is more racially diverse than most in the United States. In fact of the five neighboring houses, three have mixed race marriages. I'm sure that is a significant reason that "real" racists choose Berkeley as their target. I grew up in rural America, surrounded by my "real" friends. Some of them are still friends. Some of them are racist a**holes. Some are not. And the people in my neighborhood are real, without quotes. Whether the Proud Boys and Antifa like it or not, most Americans live in urban areas.

So what point were you trying to make by comparing the SPLC to a black nationalist group the both threatened and committed acts of violence? That the SPLC are black supremacists that they are violent? Or are you saying that the only thing most "real" people know about the SPLC is what comes from over facebook feed from their similarly "real" friends? I wouldn't be surprised if that's true. Of course, I expect hate groups to strike out at anyone who labels them as such.

Of course SPLC has an political agenda, so they are not going to be as objective as, say, the AAAS. But they are certainly more objective then the DNC or RNC. And since they don't make facebook posts about how to hide weapons in your protest sign, I'll take them over the Proud Boys and the Antifa any day.
160) Message boards : News : Free Speech and SETI@home (Message 1864093)
Posted 28 Apr 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dude...the SPLC has about as much credibility in the real world as teh Black Panthers do.


Actually the SPLC has quite a bit of credibility and is a fairly centrist organization.

On another note, the SPLC lists the "New Black Panther Party" as an antisemitic hate group. The Black Panthers no longer exist, so they aren't listed.
161) Message boards : News : Free Speech and SETI@home (Message 1864081)
Posted 28 Apr 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
white supremacists


You F**KED UP saying the above.


How so? The right wing group making threats of violence is a known white supremacist group. The left wing group making threats of violence is a known anarchist group.

**EDIT**
The Oath Keepers are considered to be a hate group by the SPLC. The Proud Boys probably hasn't been in existence long enough to make their list, but the SPLC has noticed them. The left wing group, Antifa, is also on the SPLC's list of hate groups. They are all coming to Berkeley to commit violence for the purpose of committing violence. Protecting free speech is not on the agenda of any of these groups.
**EDIT**

If someone reads that to mean that I think everyone on one side of the issue is a right wing white supremacist and everyone on the other is a left wing anarchist they need to head back to middle school for some reading comprehension lessons.

Hasn't political correctness gone a little too far when you can't say that a group of self avowed white supremacists is a group of white supremacists?
162) Message boards : News : Free Speech and SETI@home (Message 1863988)
Posted 27 Apr 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
would it be feasible for the creators and managers of S.E.T.I. and/or B.O.I.N.C. to look around for another university or similar research facility to host these various scientific projects?


Unfortunately that isn't really possible because of funding. For example, Breakthrough Listen is implemented as a contract between the Breakthrough Foundation and UC Berkeley. Our gift funds, once they have been received, are considered state property (so we can be subject to audits/spending rules) so we would be giving them up. Any grants we have are also grants to the University, rather than grants to us as people.

While not theoretically impossible to move. A project like SETI@home would take significant time and resources to move. Should we be approached by a university that wants to provide a serious commitment to SETI@home, I'd certainly that such an offer seriously.
163) Message boards : News : Free Speech and SETI@home (Message 1863987)
Posted 27 Apr 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I don't believe I called anyone a white supremacist, apart from members of the "Proud Boys" who are in fact white supremacists who have indicated their intent to commit violence in Berkeley today.

Anyone who thinks I did call a larger group white supremacists should stop thinking that everyone divides the world into two categories, and that anyone on the opposite side of their own personal line is an enemy.

If you think being against violent white supremacists makes me a enemy of yours, you are free to leave. If you think being against violent left wing anarchists makes me a enemy of yours, you are free to leave. If you think my post took a position against rational conservatism or rational liberalism or against student groups being able to invite who they want, please read it again.
164) Message boards : News : Free Speech and SETI@home (Message 1863881)
Posted 27 Apr 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Once again I need to explain our policies on free speech, as I've been getting lots of nastygrams both here and on twitter and facebook.

First, let me explain our relationship to the UC Berkeley administration. Despite the fact that I met with the Chancellor once for about 15 seconds, the UC administration neither knows nor cares that SETI@home exists. Threats of quitting SETI@home or withholding donations will be about as effective as kicking a stray dog because you don't like something the dog catcher did. They won't notice. They don't care. They get no direct benefit from SETI@home, so here will be no effect on them, or the on University. We could shut off our servers tomorrow, and nobody in Sproul Hall would notice a thing.

So here are our project commandments on free speech.

0. Thine speech is free as in freedom, not free as in beer.
1. Thou mayst speak thine mind.
2. Thou shalt do so in the appropriate forum.
3. Thou shalt recognize that speech has consequences to thine self and to others, some legal, some financial, some painful.
4. Thou shalt not force others to pay for the delivery of or the consequences of speech they may not agree with.
5. On public SETI@home forums, thou shalt use language a parent would not mind their 12 year old hearing.
6. Failure to obey the forum rules will result in moderator action. If thou dost not understand, see thou commandment 4.

In other words, if you want to be heard on the current controversy, try the Politics forum. Then use twitter, facebook, instagram and whatever social media you want. SETI@home in general and me in particular have no power to effect change of any sort.

It sounds like there's still going to be a riot in Berkeley tomorrow because a group of white supremacists and a group of left wing anarchists are ignoring commandments 2, 3, and 4. The people of Berkeley and the people of California will be picking up the tab for their "freedom of speech" whether they want to or not. And personally, I think that's what's been missing from the whole discussion.
165) Message boards : News : We're back online (Message 1858839)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And with some incredible luck we didn't lose any entries in the pulse signal table at all.

Whew!
166) Message boards : News : Unexpected outage (March 30-31) (Message 1858633)
Posted 31 Mar 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Status update:

The checks are still running but should be finished within a few more hours.

The worst case scenario is probably restoring from a backup either one or two weeks old, so we lose two weeks of processing. I'm still hopeful that we can avoid that. Best case scenario is that we can snip out the problem areas and only lose a few pulses.
167) Message boards : News : Unexpected outage (March 30-31) (Message 1858467)
Posted 30 Mar 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've found some corruption in a part of our science database that holds the power vs time profiles of detected pulses. We're running some table checks to see if we can localize the problem and come up with a solution that minimizes the lost workunits that need to be redone.
168) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.22/23 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1841714)
Posted 12 Jan 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
OK, trying an 8.24 release (of the 8.22 binary).
169) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.22/23 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1841540)
Posted 12 Jan 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've temporarily disabled those plan classes while I debug the problem.
170) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.22/23 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1841467)
Posted 11 Jan 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've cleaned up some unused app_versions from the database. Did that fix the problem?
171) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.22/23 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1841464)
Posted 11 Jan 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've checked the database entries for the 8.23 versions and everything checks out. My guess at this point is that we've reached some limit on number of app versions that's present in the BOINC code. Looking into it now.
172) Message boards : News : New SETI@home donation project on Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1840498)
Posted 7 Jan 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've started a new mining effort on Bitcoin Utopia. If you've got mining equipment and want to help out, please join the effort.

The ~5 bitcoins that were donated last year went primarily to buying replacement hard drives. With the number of drives we have running we lose quite a few over the course of a year. It was nice not to need to dip into cash to replace them.
173) Message boards : News : Problems with centurion (Message 1840423)
Posted 6 Jan 2017 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're having some problems with centurion, the computer holds the Breakthrough Listen data and does our Breakthrough Listen splitting. Correction will probably require an OS upgrade.

Because of this GBT data will be scarce over the weekend.
174) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@HOME v8.22 (Message 1838601)
Posted 29 Dec 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Another typo in another manually edited script copied the wrong base app_version into the ati5_SoG app_versions. I've rereleased them at 8.23 and cancelled the results for the bad app_versions (8.22 opencl_ati5_SoG_nocal and opencl_ati5_SoG_cat132).

Let me know if they don't automatically get aborted by your machine the next time you connect.
175) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@HOME v8.22 (Message 1838579)
Posted 29 Dec 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll look at it this morning.
176) Message boards : Politics : Immigrant Migrant Refugee SUPREMACY-Is RACIST DEPLORABLE & TREASONOUS KKKOMMIE KKKryBABY KKKLOWNS with Their Continuing TREASONOUS Behaviours, will LOSE All Elections if They Keep Spouting TREASONOUS Free Speech (Message 1831608)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
My wife is a human being with opinions of her own that she is free to express. She is not my property. We agree on most things, but on those rare occasions when we don't, she is still free to say whatever the hell she wants.

If you treat the women in your life as less than equals, it says volumes about your feelings about yourself. Suggesting domestic violence is never a joke. Treating people as property is never a joke. Threats of violence are never a joke. That's why they aren't tolerated here.
177) Message boards : News : SETI@home Fall 2016 Fundraiser (Message 1831281)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The SETI@home Fall 2016 fundraiser has begun. If you haven't received your fundraising letter you can find it here.

The abundance of data has made our funding needs a little more demanding this year, so we're hoping you can help us out a bit more.

As always, thanks for running SETI@home
178) Message boards : News : Celttooth has passed away. (Message 1830795)
Posted 16 Nov 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We are sad to report the passing to long time SETI contributor Celttooth (M. Ian Russell) We will be lessened by his absence.
179) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Yet another probable non-detection of ET (Message 1823764)
Posted 12 Oct 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Don't these people check with their peers before publishing? and its a shame they don't go through the same vigorous thought processes as your good self , although i note there is still a very slim chance that they may be correct the odds are that they are not as you explain so well.


My understanding (through the grapevine) is that the paper was in the peer review process for several years and was rejected by several different reviewers at at least one other journal. But nothing prevents authors from resubmitting a paper unchanged to many different journals until they find a reviewer who lets it through. A drawback of the anonymity of the peer review process is that journal editors can't talk to each other about which papers have been rejected.

It also may be a shortcoming of the typical Astronomy peer review process which is conducted by a single reviewer rather than the two or three that may be typical in other fields. The assumption is that every reviewer is equally competent, which is not necessarily true.
180) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Yet another probable non-detection of ET (Message 1823583)
Posted 12 Oct 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Maybe. Gotta get in line for next year. :)
181) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Yet another probable non-detection of ET (Message 1823565)
Posted 11 Oct 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Why do I always have to be the bad guy?

A paper was made available on arXiv last night, titled "Discovery of peculiar periodic spectral modulations in a small fraction of solar type stars" In the paper comments from the submitter you can see "Signals probably from Extraterrestrial Intelligence."

Here we go again. Another unconfirmed signal from ET. Another author not following the recommended protocols of which they are undoubtedly aware, primarily confirmation before publication. In the paper, the authors have analyzed 2.5 million archival spectra from the Sloan Digital Sky survey using a discrete Fourier transform. In 234 stars, of spectral types G, K they found periodicity which they attribute to broad band pulsations of the stellar signal that have (in nearly all the sources) a period of 1.65 picosecond (1 picosecond=a trillionth of a second). Pulses of such short duration would need to come from an omnidirectional transmitter less than half a millimeter across or they would have to be beamed in our direction. That's typically what we look for in optical SETI, directed pulses, but on nanosecond (a billionth of a second) rather than picosecond timescales.

There's lots of math and physical intuition involved in the analysis so I won't describe it all. The authors describe why they think it can't be an instrumental or data analysis effect and then conclude ET is the most likely cause. They conclude there are 234 planets beaming pulses of the same period directly at Earth. A Galactic consortium.

What is missing from the analysis? Confirmation, of course. A 1 meter telescope with a low resolution spectrograph would have been able to confirm or refute this in a single night. This paper has been in the review process for more than enough time for a confirming observation at a different telescope to be made. None is mentioned.

At any rate, I'm unconvinced that there are 234 stars transmitting pulsations at the same rate toward Earth. My best guess? It's an instrumental or data handling effect. The similar rate seems suspicious. The author list doesn't include a data scientist from the Sloan survey, nor is one acknowledged, so the authors may not have fully understood the data analysis pipeline for Sloan. I'm not an expert on the SDSS pipeline, but I can think of many steps when an oscillatory term could be introduced in an intermittent fashion. For example, if there is a polynomial fit to the wavelength scale that breaks down because of a misdetected calbration line. Or a poor CCD flat field correction, or a polynomial fit to a background or continuum went bad. We'll probably find out more when confirmation attempts are made using different instruments.

Of course, Breakthrough Listen is going to take that strategy and look at these stars with the Automated Planet Finder and get high resolution spectra. Prior to confirmation it rates on the Rio Scale as a 1 (out of 10), insignificant. After confirmation it would pop up to a 3-5 (minor to intermediate). To get up to noteworthy (in my estimation) we would have to do more to rule out non-intelligent phenomena. Who knows, maybe we'll get lucky.

Jason Wright from Penn State (on sabbatical at UC Berkeley this semester) has penned a blog post about the Rio scale and how it is used in conjunction with announcement of possible discoveries.
182) Message boards : News : Replica database offline... (Message 1823042)
Posted 9 Oct 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The replica database will be offline until we can restore it from the primary database on tuesday (at the earlies). This will result in slowness of the web site and the scheduler.
183) Message boards : News : "Baffling" "signal" "from HD 164595" is probably none of the above. (Message 1818273)
Posted 19 Sep 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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SETI@home is not funded by the government, nor is it under any form of government oversight.
184) Message boards : News : "Baffling" "signal" "from HD 164595" is probably none of the above. (Message 1818221)
Posted 19 Sep 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Let's see, if I found ET and announced it I would be famous and never have to worry about funding my SETI projects again in my life. The funding would be rolling in for us to analyze the signal while continuing to search for more.

Or I could hide the fact that I had found ET and continue to toil in relative obscurity, spending most of my time trying to get enough money to keep the project funded, knowing that eventually we will run out of money and the project will end.

I don't think it would be a difficult decision.
185) Message boards : News : "Baffling" "signal" "from HD 164595" is probably none of the above. (Message 1813947)
Posted 30 Aug 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Unfortunately, we don't have a catalog of the frequencies transmitted by all the satellites in orbit, or even a list of all the satellites in orbit. The US government would not allow us to create such a satellite frequency catalog if we wanted to. They would certainly no longer allow us to continue to use US government facilities if we did attempt to make such a catalog.

I'm fairly sure that our Russian colleagues would have similar difficulties.
186) Message boards : News : Breakthrough Listen observations of HD 164595 (Message 1813894)
Posted 30 Aug 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The Breakthrough Listen team has posted their archival search for emission from HD 164595 and the initial analysis of their recent observations of that target.
187) Message boards : News : "Baffling" "signal" "from HD 164595" is probably none of the above. (Message 1813656)
Posted 30 Aug 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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It's an interesting idea. This biggest issue would be a data recorder capable of recording baseband data and whatever the bandwidth of their widest receiver, preferably in a format like guppi raw. The front end electronics (analog+ADC) would probably be more expensive than the back end (PCs+GPUs).

Regarding contacts there, I don't have any contacts there as of now. I'll probably meet some of them for the first time at the end of next month at the IAA meeting.
188) Message boards : News : "Baffling" "signal" "from HD 164595" is probably none of the above. (Message 1813646)
Posted 30 Aug 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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It may have taken them that long to finish analyzing the data. Like most people, I doubt they get paid to do SETI. This is probably a side project for people working more than full time on other things.
189) Message boards : News : "Baffling" "signal" "from HD 164595" is probably none of the above. (Message 1813625)
Posted 29 Aug 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I wouldn't put it in the same category as the Wow! signal. The Wow! signal was narrow band, and because of that, more likely to indicate intelligence than this event.
190) Message boards : News : "Baffling" "signal" "from HD 164595" is probably none of the above. (Message 1813608)
Posted 29 Aug 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We believe a signal when

  • It is persistent. It appears at the same spot in the sky in multiple observations.
  • It only comes from one spot in the sky.
  • If we reobserve the target, the signal is still there.



Things that add to believability


  • Its frequency/period/delay does not correspond to known interference.
  • Its Doppler Drift rate indicates that it is exactly frequency stable in the frame of the center of mass of the solar system
  • Its properties (bandwidth, chirp rate, encoding) indicate intelligent origin.



Unfortunately the observing method used by the Russian team does not permit many of these things to be determine. 1. The signal was not persistent. 2. The signal was gone when the target was reobserved. 3. The signal frequency/period/delay cannot be determined. 4. The signal Doppler drift rate is unknown. 5. Many sources of interference, including satellites, are present in the observing band.

191) Message boards : News : "Baffling" "signal" "from HD 164595" is probably none of the above. (Message 1813506)
Posted 29 Aug 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I'm sure that many of you have seen the news reports of a "SETI signal" detected from the star HD 164595

I was one of the many people who received the the email with the subject "Candidate SETI SIGNAL DETECTED by Russians from star HD 164595 by virtue of RATAN-600 radio telescope." Since the email did come from known SETI researchers, I looked over the presentation. I was unimpressed. In one out of 39 scans that passed over star showed a signal at about 4.5 times the mean noise power with a profile somewhat like the beam profile. Of course SETI@home has seen millions of potential signals with similar characteristics, but it takes more than that to make a good candidate. Multiple detections are a minimum criterion.

Because the receivers used were making broad band measurements, there's really nothing about this "signal" that would distinguish it from a natural radio transient (stellar flare, active galactic nucleus, microlensing of a background source, etc.) There's also nothing that could distinguish it from a satellite passing through the telescope field of view. All in all, it's relatively uninteresting from a SETI standpoint.

But, of course, it's been announced to the media. Reporters won't have the background to know it's not interesting. Because the media has it, and since this business runs on media, everyone will look at it. ATA is looking at it. I assume Breakthrough will look at it. Someone will look at it with Arecibo, and we'll be along for the ride. And I'll check the SETI@home database around that position. And we'll all find nothing. It's not our first time at this rodeo, so we know how it works.
192) Message boards : News : Setizen Jack Lass has passed away. (Message 1806168)
Posted 31 Jul 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The SETI@home team is sad to note the passing of long time SETI@home volunteer Jack Lass. Many of you will remember him from the original SETI@home forums. Our condolences go out to his wife and son. We will miss him.
193) Message boards : News : Vice Magazine article about Arecibo Closure (Message 1801963)
Posted 10 Jul 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Vice Magazine has posted an article about the potential closure of the Arecibo observatory.
194) Message boards : News : Arecibo still threatened with closure. (Message 1795929)
Posted 13 Jun 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Lot's of things to reply to...

First I want to make it clear that Breakthrough's effect on SETI@home wasn't due to anything malicious. As far as personnel go, Breakthrough wants experienced people, and SETI@home is where the experienced people are. It would be silly for those people not to go where the funding is.

As far a funding goes, it's clear that SETI@home doesn't have a strong advocate with a direct line to Yuri Milner. I'm two or three levels away from the people who get to talk to Yuri about funding priorities, and the people in those intervening levels have their own ideas about what the funding priorities are. If they aren't excited about SETI@home, Yuri probably won't be either.

Regarding non-Arecibo data sources, we're certainly working on that. In addition to definite plans for Parkes, we are considering FAST, MeerKAT and eventually SKA. I'd also like to build a tap from SERENDIP VI at Arecibo so we can record the data from every receiver (and when SERENDIP VI instruments are installed at other telescopes data becomes available more easily). It would be nice to get 327 MHz data from Arecibo before it gets shut down.

Each new data source has a cost attached to it, which we estimate at about ~$200k annually per data source. Unfortunately radio telescopes aren't as simple as plug and go, each one has a different way of communicating observing parameters, each one has different ways of setting or calculating the observing frequencies.
195) Message boards : News : Arecibo still threatened with closure. (Message 1795299)
Posted 11 Jun 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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People that were working primarily on SETI@home have transitioned to Breakthrough,


Obviously I'm confused, Eric. I thought SETI@home and Breakthrough were part of the same effort. I take it they're not. (?)


It's confusing to a lot of people. Let's see if I can provide the top down view of Breakthrough Listen. Breakthrough Listen is funded by the Breakthrough Foundation, and consists of multiple parts... The largest portion of the funding is going to purchase telescope time on the Green Bank Telescope and the Parkes Telescope. The second largest portion (from my understanding. I don't have access to the budgets) is for purchasing and developing data recording and signal analysis hardware to analyze the data for those telescopes and make some subset of the data available to the public (and to SETI@home). A third portion goes to the salaries of the people developing that equipment and analysis code. None, at this point, goes to SETI@home.

Each of these portions are controlled by the foundation, and any additional expenditure needs to be proposed to the foundation and approved by them. This is a significant departure from the media portrayal, wherein the UC Berkeley SETI group is handed a check from $100M. Because Yuri Milner did make SETI@home a significant part of the Breakthrough Listen announcement, I still have hope that SETI@home will eventually be funded through Breakthrough. If it is not, we will continue to pursue other funding sources. If that doesn't work, we'll limp along until were run out.

Every time I'm sifting through the results returned by SETI@home, I'm amazed that there is no other SETI program on the planet that can do this. I recently calculated the value of the computing all of you do for us. 100,000 CPU-years and 11,000 GPU-years every month. On the Amazon cloud that would run you $42M per month (primarily in GPU time costs). That's half a billion dollars a year. That's why the Breakthrough Listen pipeline will never do the kind of analysis that SETI@home does. They can't afford to. Not even a billionaire could afford what you provide us for free.

And we can't seem to reliably find 0.1% of that amount to keep us running. It's been the longest running story of the project. Moores law may apply to CPUs and GPUs, but it doesn't apply to dollars.

This isn't a fundraising plea... yet. We're still planning that things will work out.
196) Message boards : News : SETI researcher Stéphane Dumas has passed away (Message 1795234)
Posted 10 Jun 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We are sad to hear that our friend and colleague Stéphane Dumas passed away this week. Here is a video of his recent SETItalks talk.
197) Message boards : News : Arecibo still threatened with closure. (Message 1795225)
Posted 10 Jun 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Without having some sort of NITPCKR running 24/7, analysing data REALTIME (o r as close as we can get), it’s a waste of out time anyways.

Would’nt you agree ?



We've been very bad at telling you what's up with the NTPCkR. Although it's not politically expedient to say so, Breakthrough has actually left SETI@home even more resource starved than it was before. People that were working primarily on SETI@home have transitioned to Breakthrough, and thus far, no funding from Breakthrough has been directed at SETI@home and we don't currently have the funding to replace them. We're hoping that will change, but have few options how to bring it about. In essence we're in the same place we've always been, barely getting by, but with even fewer people on the job.

That doesn't mean we've made no progress, though. It became apparent that our available hardware was insufficient for running the nitpicker. What has happened is that Bruce Allen (of Einstein@home) has allowed us to use some time on a supercomputer at the Albert Einstein Institute for Gravitational Physics in Hannover to run the nitpicker, which we've renamed Nebula because it's no longer "near real time". We've done some tests on 1% of the database, and estimate that a full run of the database will take about 5 days, and we plan to do such a run at least 4 times a year. If we overstay our welcome at AEI we'll probably have to search out cloud resources for the runs.

I'll try to get some more info out about that in the near future. The port is mostly complete, apart from tuning up the RFI rejection. Fingers crossed we'll have some candidate news by the end of the summer.
198) Message boards : News : Arecibo still threatened with closure. (Message 1795203)
Posted 10 Jun 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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That's always the been the issue. Without an increase in total funding, keeping Arecibo operating will threaten other NSF projects. It was an congressional earmark to NRAO (many years ago) without an increase in NSF astronomy funding that initially resulted in the closure threats by diverting money away from NSF astronomy projects. Neither Executive Branch nor Legislative Branch diversions of money within NSF will solve the problem, and the two branches of government are unlikely to work together anytime soon, no matter how many signatures a petition gets.

Crowdfunding will undoubtedly be considered, but I think that it's highly unlikely that the observatory will be able to raise the $8-10M annually that's required. SETI@home has a budget 40 times smaller, many more people with a demonstrated interest in the project and we struggle to raise even 10% of our budget through crowdfunding.
199) Message boards : News : Arecibo still threatened with closure. (Message 1794850)
Posted 9 Jun 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Recently the NSF announced its intent to start the process which could lead to the partial shutdown, mothballing, or complete disassebly of the Arecibo Observatory. As most of you know, this is not a new discussion in the scientific community. Several years ago we had asked you write letters to Congress in hopes of averting this fate.

A petition has been started on whitehouse.gov to ask the President to ensure it is funded. I'm pessimistic about the chances that it will change anything, as the President cannot change Congressional budget priorities, and only has limited ability to move money between NSF programs. However, bringing attention to the issues of science funding in this country cannot hurt.
200) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday to Angela! (Message 1790043)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The love of my life, feeder of raccoons and accumulator of cats is another year older.

Here comes Marcel to say Happy Birthday!

201) Message boards : News : Breakthrough Listen data now flowing. (Message 1779419)
Posted 15 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Awesome! Just a quick question. Any way to get back our own custom screensaver wallpaper if we had added that?


I thought I had arranged things so it would still use custom wallpaper if you had it. Did I screw that up?
202) Message boards : News : Breakthrough Listen data now flowing. (Message 1779235)
Posted 15 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Astropulse hasn't yet been implemented for the GBT data, but will be.
203) Message boards : News : Article about distribution of Breakthrough data. (Message 1779186)
Posted 15 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Inverse.com has published an article about our distribution of Breakthrough Listen data.
204) Message boards : News : Breakthrough Listen data now flowing. (Message 1779149)
Posted 14 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Does the "_OFF_" indicate an observation taken off-target to give an induction of the local background?


Yes, the off targets are nearby spots off of the primary target. There are still stars within the field of view of course, so we might find something in an OFF observation. In the near future we will be replacing the OFF positions with a catalog of secondary targets.
205) Message boards : News : Breakthrough Listen data now flowing. (Message 1778502)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We've got 120,000 GBT workunit waiting to go, but a few hundred thousand Arecibo units to chew through before they get to the front of the line.

You know what they say...
206) Message boards : News : Breakthrough Listen data now flowing. (Message 1778453)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Could someone please explain the information in the new file names on the SSP?


blc3_2bit_guppi_57451_19304_HIP62472_0003

blc3:     Breakthrough Listen
2bit:     bits per real sample (4 bit per complex sample)
guppi:    File format (Greenbank Ultimate Pulsar Processing Instrument)
57451:    Modified Julian Date
19304:    Seconds past midnight
HIP62472: Object Name
0003:     Observation sequence number
207) Message boards : News : Breakthrough Listen data now flowing. (Message 1778449)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The VLARs go out to ATI GPUs, but are held back from NVIDIA. If I could find a way to send VLAR to only NVIDIA OpenCL and not NVIDIA CUDA, I would...
208) Message boards : News : Breakthrough Listen data now flowing. (Message 1778409)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I'd expect about 50/50 for the time being.
209) Message boards : News : Breakthrough Listen data now flowing. (Message 1778382)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Happy Yuri's Night #55, the 55th anniversary of Yuri Gagarin's historic first space flight on April 12, 1961.

In celebration, we're starting distribution of Breakthrough Listen data from the Green Bank Telescope today. No intervention is necessary on your part. The main difference you will see is a change in your screen saver graphics, if you have them running. We'll still be distributing Arecibo data as well, so that won't change.

The Breakthrough Initiative is also distributing raw data in multiple formats, so you can write your own analysis code if you'd like.

You can read about it in this press release.
210) Message boards : News : SETI@home 8 released for Raspberry Pi. (Message 1777307)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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It should also work on other ARM linux machines that use the gnueabihf ABI.
211) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 for Android and GPU to be released January, 21st (Message 1763875)
Posted 10 Feb 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The NVIDIA linux version currently in beta produces correct results, but produces lag in the display. It wouldn't be a problem if the user is has "only use GPU while idle" selected and if BOINC's idle detection always worked on linux.
212) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 for Android and GPU to be released January, 21st (Message 1763526)
Posted 8 Feb 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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At any rate, the BOINC default maximum battery temperature is well below 60C.
213) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 for Android and GPU to be released January, 21st (Message 1763081)
Posted 7 Feb 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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No patch is necessary. It's possible to set a maximum battery temperature in the BOINC preferences under Android. (It's in the menu under "Preferences") I believe the default is 40C. The BOINC developers assure me that batteries won't suffer damage before 80C.

I don't like my devices to get that warm, so I set mine to 35C. I figure that any device meant to be carried in a pocket isn't going to have a problem at any temperature below body temperature.
214) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 for Android and GPU to be released January, 21st (Message 1758469)
Posted 23 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I see that at least some devices with Android 6 are able to get and return work successfully. The only way to find out is to try it.
215) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 for Android and GPU to be released January, 21st (Message 1758285)
Posted 22 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Yes, that would be of interest. It shouldn't crash the machine, but it might generate invalid results (which is why we need the beta testing.)
216) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 for Android and GPU to be released January, 21st (Message 1757995)
Posted 22 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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And if you are wondering which versions are available, this link works. https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php
217) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 for Android and GPU to be released January, 21st (Message 1757994)
Posted 22 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Versions have been released. The main one that is missing is the OpenCL NVIDIA x86_64 linux version which has some problems.

Android versions for ARM and x86 have been released.

I'll see if I can get a cross compile environment for Raspberry PI set up...
218) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 for Android and GPU to be released January, 21st (Message 1757764)
Posted 21 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I know everyone has been waiting. It's finally time.

We need some Mac users with ATI Radeon HD4000 series card to help the beta test before we can release that version. So if you've got an HD4XXX GPU, please join the beta.
219) Questions and Answers : Unix/Linux : Where to get a 32 bit version of Seti@Home v8? (Message 1755649)
Posted 11 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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A fix will be going into beta today. There the fix will have the version number 8.05.
220) Message boards : Number crunching : New app? (Message 1753664)
Posted 3 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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[quote]Since Charlie uses xCode projects, he doesn't put much effort into being able to compile through autoconf.

Don't ask me whether xCode was ever released for PPC.


I'm doing command line compiles through autoconf for the PPC version. I had two executables available, one statically linked to fftw, one dynamically linked. I thought I had picked the right one. I had even used "otools -L" to show the dynamic library list, but I apparently got the wrong one anyway. I'll fix it as soon as I can.
221) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 has been released. (Message 1753115)
Posted 2 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Yes, Santa brought the raccoons the "gauntlets of +2 dexterity"* that they asked for. Cat food will no longer be safe outside.



* that's a D&D reference for the non-geeks in the crowd
222) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 has been released. (Message 1753034)
Posted 2 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Work never gets lost. Only delayed. Everyone who uses the stock apps will continue to get v7 work until we are entirely finished.
223) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 has been released. (Message 1752961)
Posted 1 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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We plan to stop making new v7 work within a few days, because v8 really is more accurate when searching for Gaussians. You can keep v7 until you run out of v7 work. But eventually you'll want to upgrade. Hopefully we'll be getting the GPU versions out quickly.
224) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 has been released. (Message 1752925)
Posted 1 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I must admit that the amount of time I spent working rather than preparing for visitors did cause her some concern. Fortunately her raccoons picked up the slack.
225) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 8 has been released. (Message 1752922)
Posted 1 Jan 2016 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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SETI@home version 8 has been released. This version finally gives us the ability to process data from multiple sources, including the Green Bank Telescope. That means we'll be ready for data from Breakthrough Listen when it's available.

We're releasing the versions for CPUs first. We'll release versions for graphics processing units (GPUs) and Android devices as they come available. We're releasing slowly so as not to overtax our download server. This update will happen automatically, unless you use a special version you got from another web site.

We've also made small changed to our science code to improve the Gaussian fitting routines. This means version 8 results are not compatible with version 7. So if you use a version of SETI@home you got from another site, or if you compile your own version, you'll need to get or build a version 8 application. I'm sure link will be made available in the Number Crunching forum.

A shout out to the volunteer developers (especially Urs, Jason and Raistmer) and all the beta testers for helping out.

Happy New Year!
226) Message boards : News : UC Berkeley Big Give (Message 1743397)
Posted 19 Nov 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The University of California's big 24 hour fundraising extravaganza started Wednesday, November 18th at 9 pm and ends on Thursday, November 19th at 9 pm. If you'd like to make a donation to help SETI@home access our new data sources you can do so here.
227) Message boards : Number crunching : OpenCL onATI Radeon HD 4670 worked. Once. (Message 1738889)
Posted 1 Nov 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I see. Pity that BOINC doesn't able to parse clInfo in right degree to see that HD4xxx hardware present. As one can see from app's own output it is doable.


We don't really have the resources to chase what GPU manufacturers name their cards (ATI is out of meaningful 4 digit numbers) or whether their cards live up to the standards they claim to follow. A name is a marketing device, not an engineering standard. An HD4760 may have nothing to do with what an HD4762 or an HDR4760 are capable of. An HD4760 manufactured in 2016 could be entirely different from one made in 2014.

I guess I'll look through and see whether any OpenCL 1.0 cards are able to run 7.08 on Macintosh. If the answer is no, I can bump the requirement to OpenCL 1.1.
228) Message boards : Number crunching : OpenCL onATI Radeon HD 4670 worked. Once. (Message 1738855)
Posted 1 Nov 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Looking at the host it doesn't appear that it can successfully run any OpenCL app. My understanding was that there is nothing about the ati5 apps that prevent them from running on pre-ati5 architectures. They are just written to execute slightly differently for better performance on different GPUs. I suspect that this is a problem with whatever AMD/ATI driver is being used. AMD/ATI has a habit of ignoring problems new drivers cause on older hardware.

Since AMD/ATI removed CAL HW version from their drivers, there's no way in the current BOINC code to exclude a ATI GPU based upon a device hardware version on a Mac. On PCs with old drivers we can still use CAL version. But for Mac, the best we have now is OpenCL version, but AMD reserves the right to uninvite specific hardware and specific operating systems from the party with each new driver release.
229) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (#3) (Message 1733858)
Posted 12 Oct 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Oh Berkeley. :'(


Yes, it's very embarrassing that the University is letting him off with a mild warning. And one doesn't have to be very cynical to come to the conclusion that it is because of his stature and the money he brings in. I suspect that despite the wishes of my employer, this report will not be the end of this topic.
230) Message boards : News : Eric Korpela discusses alien contact. (Message 1733223)
Posted 9 Oct 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Yes, I'm still way back in the comments. It's been a busy few weeks. Regarding FTL travel, current physics doesn't give us a short cut to the stars. The structure of physics seems pretty well rigged to prohibit faster than light travel within the universe without unraveling the concept of causality. That doesn't mean that interstellar travel is impossible. It just means that it's effectively one way if the crew has finite (human) life spans. Even if you go back the world you left won't be the one you come back to.
231) Message boards : News : Eric Korpela discusses alien contact. (Message 1733217)
Posted 9 Oct 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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That's the problem with a interview that gets cut. Parts of a long discussion can get cut to sound bites.

The main question isn't whether they would be competitive, the question is whether they would find anything at earth that they couldn't find at a closer location. If they are looking for a planet with any type of life, they are going to find at least 3500 of them that are closer than the nearest inhabited planet. If they are looking for a planet with an oxygen atmosphere, they will find at least 500 of them that are closer than the nearest inhabited planet. In either case, to make the biosphere inhabitable, they are either going to have to bioengineer themselves, or eradicate and replace the local life forms. While there's no particular reason for them to avoid inhabited planets (intelligent life forms can be eradicated with the rest of the biosphere), there's also no reason to seek them out. If were were on the border of an empire of 500+ star systems would we have noticed them by now?

With electronic civilizations, the chance of conflict seems even smaller to me. Electronic beings don't need planets and barely need stars. I have a hard time imagining why an electronic civilization would want to consist of more than one individual and why it would feel the need to expand or grow beyond the point having a backup of itself. But if it was expansive and wanted planetary surfaces for some reason, why bother with planets with corrosive atmospheres, rather than benign airless worlds or better yet asteroids where the resources are more accessible?
232) Message boards : News : Eric Korpela discusses alien contact. (Message 1727583)
Posted 21 Sep 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm not sure we have any reason to believe that Kardishev Type II or Type III civilizations are likely to exist to begin with.
233) Message boards : News : There was a fire in the data center last night (Message 1727090)
Posted 19 Sep 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're currently waiting for some RAID arrays to verify/rebuild.
234) Message boards : News : The White House wants to hear about your experiences with citizen science. (Message 1726085)
Posted 16 Sep 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You can share your stories here here.
235) Message boards : News : Latest SETI paper (Message 1719814)
Posted 28 Aug 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The title change became official in late 2014. It had been a de facto position for years so we didn't make a big deal about it. BOINC doesn't have a "director" tag so, I'll still be Administrator/Project Scientist on the Forums.
236) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beet's give us a caption #61 (Message 1702400)
Posted 17 Jul 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
All I notice is the wood.
237) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric!!! (Message 1698382)
Posted 4 Jul 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks for all the birthday wishes! Angela spent the whole day keeping the splitters fed and the servers running. I've got another hour and a half before I go back on duty.
238) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Khaleesi, Mother of Raccoons! (Message 1683909)
Posted 25 May 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Now you know why I only allow the Unsullied to be near her.
239) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1678242)
Posted 11 May 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Looking into it...
240) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1672323)
Posted 1 May 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Found the bug. (An assumption valid for ap_v7 but not valid for ap_v6). Will grant credit for results marked invalid.
241) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1672315)
Posted 30 Apr 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll check these results in more detail. It's possible we introduced a bug in this version of the validator.
242) Message boards : News : False News Report (Message 1659840)
Posted 31 Mar 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Over the weekend a false news report from a known source of false news reports reported that we had detected an extraterrestrial signal. Of course, if we had, known sources of real news reports would also be carrying the story.

In other words, no such luck.
243) Message boards : Technical News : Latest Astropulse Status (Message 1645119)
Posted 21 Feb 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry for the long time with no updates. It's been a few busy weeks for me. First there was the ICON EUV critical design review (CDR) to prepare for. Now I'm in a panic about getting the automation in our calibration facility up and running before next week, and I'm preparing for a talk I'm giving next week. It hasn't left a lot of time for updates.

Well, as you've surmised, the repair on the Astropulse database came to a screeching halt a couple weeks ago when the impossible happened. We were moving files to free up space and then linking them back in. The script was checking before a file was moved to see if it was already a link or if it was a file to prevent a link being moved on top of a file, using the standard unix command "test -f" which returns true for files and false for links. Except on that day it returned true for about 10 links in a row. About the only thing I can come up with for a reason would be a bug in the xfs file system or in the "test" command, which is built into bash.

Anyway about 4.5 million astropulse signals lost their data blobs when that happened. This isn't as bad as it seems because that blob is just a little chunk of the workunit that can be recovered from the original data file.

But we decided that marvin was too tight on disk space for this reorganization, so we move the astropulse database and all its data to another machine where we made a dump of all the signals, dropped the old data chunks, added new ones, and now we're reloading all the signals at which point we will move everything back to marvin. Matt says the reload will probably be done Monday, then another day or two to copy everything back to marvin.
244) Message boards : News : More on METI (Message 1641713)
Posted 14 Feb 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dr. Korpela has posted slightly more detail of his thoughts on sending messages to ET.
245) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Sending Messages to ET: Just say no, for now. (Message 1641391)
Posted 13 Feb 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm sure some of you noticed our statement on sending messages to other stars. Some of you may be surprised at our stance. We put out our statement because the SETI Institute has been indicating that they want to start transmitting. They had a workshop at the SETI Institute yesterday (Berkeley wasn't invited) where according to the Guardian, opponents of transmitting were called "paranoid." But that's the Guardian, so who knows what was really said. But here's why I think transmitting is a mistake with more detail than the statement. This is not necessarily the view of the other people who signed, or the UC.


  • Nobody elected us. I'm a scientist. I don't have the right to speak for the people of Earth even though I have access to a telescope that could. Same goes for any group of scientists. There's even a Declaration of Priciples that SETI scientists supposedly adhere to that says I won't transmit a message in response to a signal without global agreement. The representatives of the people of the world (the UN General Assembly) need to set the rules.

  • The proposal ignores that human civilization changes over time. If we are broadcasting signals that could be returned in 1200 years, we will not be the same civilization in 1200 years. According to the Guardian, at the meeting, one of the proponents said "a civilization only three hundred years ahead of ours could detect Earth’s TV signals at a distance of 500 light years." If that's the case, won't we know through other means if there is a technological civilization around the stars they target long before our signals even arrive there?

  • Nobody will be listening for a response. 1200 years ago, the Caliphate was at its maximum, and Muslim scholars were deriving algebra based on Hindu texts. Charlemagne was Emperor of the West. The Chinese were inventing printing using wooden blocks. Matches had not yet been invented in Europe. There was a civilization in North America that extended from Wisconsin to Florida. And we wouldn't be able to understand someone speaking English, nor would they understand us. Europeans wouldn't discover the New World for another 700 years. Regardless we will have long forgotten the SETI Institute and the signals they sent. We may be extinct, civilization may just be a memory, or we may be colonizing space. But nobody will be listening in any case.

  • It's impossible to do a cost benefit analysis. Nobody can tell you the probability that these signal will be detected, or if they are, what the reaction of extraterrestrials will be. Is there a 1 in a million chance that ET will decide we're a threat and eliminate us? Is there a 1 in a million chance that ET will call off colonizing the Earth when they receive a signal from us? There is no way to determine this. ET could be just like us (which would be frightening) or so different that we don't even recognize each other as intelligent (which would be frightening).

    In a comparison risk analysis, suppose a 10km asteroid were going to pass through the Earth's atmosphere, igniting fires that would kill a million people. We could divert it, but there would be a 1% chance it would hit the earth destroying all life. Which choice do you make? There are ways to decide based on projected outcome and the probabilities. No such analysis can be done for METI.

  • The future doesn't get a vote. How many people will live in the next 1200 years? We can't consult them. Proponents seem consoled by the idea that any bad outcome won't occur in our lifetimes. If a bad outcome were to occur, those living at the time might not be so consoled by the fact that it didn't happen to us.

  • The signals that proponents claim we've already sent (TV, radio, Arecibo radar) are not nearly as likely to be detected as they claim. We couldn't even detect TV and radio signal at the nearest star with Arecibo. The Arecibo Planetary Radar is detectable at distances of thousands of light years, but doesn't repeatedly target the same spots on the sky. Someone receiving a single pulse is likely to discount it because it isn't repeatable.

246) Message boards : News : Android Version Checking (Message 1641350)
Posted 13 Feb 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The versions of SETI@home currently distributed can't run on Android 5+ (Lollypop). We're working on new versions.

We've limited distribution to earlier distributions. If you can't get work on Android 4, it may be necessary to update your BOINC app.
247) Message boards : News : Statement on Messaging Extraterrestrial Intelligence/Active SETI (Message 1639526)
Posted 10 Feb 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
In conjunction with other interested members of the SETI community, we've written a statement on beaming messages to other planets.

The essence of the conclusion is that a few people shouldn't be making this decision for an entire planet.
248) Message boards : News : Prof. Charles Townes has passed away. (Message 1633731)
Posted 27 Jan 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We were saddened to learn that colleague Professor Charles Townes died this morning, January 27th, at the age of 99. A professor at UC Berkeley since 1967, Townes had a long and distinguished career, winning the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1964 for work that led to the development of the laser. He was active in research as recently as last year, making regular visits to his office at UC Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory, and to Mount Wilson Observatory where he worked to develop the Infrared Spatial Interferometer telescope. His broad research interests included the search for extraterrestrial intelligence - as co-author of a 1961 paper, he was one of the first to discuss interstellar communication using lasers. This gave rise to the rapidly growing field of optical SETI, including searches currently underway at UC Berkeley. Prof. Townes also served as an Advisory Board Member to the new Foundation for Investing in Research on SETI Science and Technology. We will miss him here at UC Berkeley, and send our condolences to his wife Frances and family.
249) Message boards : Technical News : PaddyM crashed last night.... (January 21, 2015) (Message 1630966)
Posted 22 Jan 2015 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
PaddyM crashed last night, possibly due to extra-high demand on its disks. It came back up OK, but in order to get things in a state where it won't happen again, we're going to have to do some shuffling.

In order to do the shuffling I've had to bring the Astropulse database back down for a while. That means we will probably run out of Astropulse work (if we haven't already). I'm hoping the file moving will go fast enough that I can bring AP back on line tonight, but I wouldn't say that I'm confident that will happen.
250) Message boards : News : Marvin crashed (Message 1617486)
Posted 22 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That's a good question. Apart from some email warnings we don't have any stored records of what happened at the time of the crash. It's likely that all the disk volumes disappeared simultaneously, but that doesn't really explain why we got any warning.
251) Message boards : News : Marvin crashed (Message 1617460)
Posted 22 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Marvin is back up. For some reason the 3-ware BIOS was not being detected on reboot. After several attempts to make it visible we flashed a new BIOS. On the next reboot it came right back up.

The database is in transaction cleanup mode (which can take a while). Once that's done I'll survey for damage and if everything looks OK I'll restart the daemons.
252) Message boards : News : Marvin crashed (Message 1617418)
Posted 22 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The splitters on lando are hung waiting for the database to come back, so they are running, but not doing anything.
253) Message boards : News : Marvin crashed (Message 1617071)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Marvin isn't finding a boot device on reboot. I'm not even sure it's seeing the RAID card at all (these remote interfaces to the boot screen aren't good at capturing things that happen quickly). Matt and I are meeting at the co-lo first thing tomorrow morning. I'm bringing a boot CD and what I think is a matching RAID card.
254) Message boards : News : Marvin crashed (Message 1616981)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I take it it's not OK to leave it as it is until Monday in it's crashed state then? If non of the remote stuff works?


It's mainly generation of astropulse work that will suffer. No permanent damage should result. But I'd like to have everything in working order before folks do leave for the holidays.
255) Message boards : News : Marvin crashed (Message 1616889)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's probably easy to fix. The likely problem is getting support from the colocation facility on the weekend outside of working hours. We don't pay the additional fees for 24/7 support (primarily because they aren't small).
256) Message boards : News : Marvin crashed (Message 1616871)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It appears that the root partition filled on marvin (rapidly) while I was AFK, for no reason that I am aware of, which caused it to crash. Nobody is at the colocation facility right now, so the astropulse DB is down. I'll try to get remote accesses for a reboot, but chances are that marvin is down until monday morning.
257) Message boards : Technical News : AP database is back down (Message 1614385)
Posted 15 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Things should be back up and running now. Just had to check out a few things before enabling the splitters and assimilators.
258) Message boards : Technical News : AP database is back down (Message 1614046)
Posted 14 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The restore of the missing portions seems to have worked, but I want Matt and Jeff to look it over before I turn everything back on. So we should be back up tomorrow.
259) Message boards : Technical News : AP database is back down (Message 1613145)
Posted 13 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
As some of you have noticed the Astropulse database is back down. We brought it down to delete some empty data chunks and move the new data chunks onto local storage which went just fine. But when I brought the database back up it complained that one of the root data chunks was corrupt. This was a chunk that wasn't touched in the process.

After many attempts to repair the damage it became apparent that we needed to restore the fragment containing that chunk. (Yes, I know this is all gibberish.) Unfortunately in order to restore one 16GB file we need to read in the entire 4.5TB backup and then run the logs since that backup was made (Tuesday). The first step will take at least 36 hours. I can't estimate the duration of step 2 yet.
260) Message boards : News : Astropulse database fix is complete. (Message 1610966)
Posted 8 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thank you all for your patience.
261) Message boards : News : Astropulse database fix is complete. (Message 1610892)
Posted 8 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Validators and assimilators and splitters are back on. New Astropulse work should be flowing soon.
262) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTGAWUW!!! #0 (Message 1609535)
Posted 5 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The first new workunit went out on Fri, Dec 5 at 18:33:04 UTC. I'll leave it to Zapped Sparky to decide who won.
263) Message boards : Technical News : I was right... (Nov 24, 2014) (Message 1608191)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I don't have any experience with database software so don't know if the following is of any help to speed-up the 'things' (and you probably know it all):


We were aware of these, and have incorporated many of the suggestions over the years. In this case it all appears to come down to the way informix implements sequence indexes. Each item in a sequence is allocated separately. When inserting a million rows it allocates a million locks on the index, each lock requires at least two context swaps apart from the two necessary to get the index key itself, because separate processes seem to be handling each. So it's the linux scheduler getting around to the correct sleeping/waiting informix process that's the bottleneck, as far as I can tell.

There are other things that slow it down, too. The copy of the data blob into the blobspace bypasses the informix shared memory subsystem, so it gets written immediately to disk, but informix doesn't seem to understand that it doesn't need to read empty blob pages into memory before writing them back out. This isn't a huge impact. iostat says the array is only 25% busy, so I'm guessing that the lock/index handling is the real bottleneck.
264) Message boards : News : Database Rebuild Status update. (Message 1607963)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've now inserted 231,770,000 of the 306,362,193 AstroPulse signals into the database. Over the last week the insert rate has slowly declined from 1.5 million per hour to 870,000 per hour. At that rate we're looking at another 86 hours (+24 for index building), which means Saturday morning (US Pacific time).

On the plus side, Arecibo has four full drives of data that they can send us, so there might be SETI@home work before then if we're really lucky. I'll be posting updates in the Tech News forum through out the week.
265) Message boards : News : Status Update (Message 1605524)
Posted 26 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you haven't been checking the tech news, here's the current status. We're rebuilding the Astropulse database. The current rate is an anemic 1.5 million rows per hour. There are 220 million rows left to do, which translates to 140 hours. Then I estimate it will take 24 hours to build the one remaining index necessary to create new work. That adds up to a week. I don't really understand why this is so slow. The disk array should easily handle twice that rate.

Sorry the news couldn't be better. There's always the SETI@home fundraiser at bitcoinutopia. Or you could choose a worthy backup project
266) Message boards : Technical News : I was right... (Nov 24, 2014) (Message 1605081)
Posted 25 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I was right. It failed. But it never give an error message. It just undid everything it did and ended up in the same place it started. Harumph.

So I renamed the ap_signal table, created a new ap_signal table with the proper structure to avoid the problem, and now I'm copying everything into the new table. Early estimates are that it will finish on Thursday. But early estimates are never right. These things seem to slow down as they run.

If you're looking for another use to which to put your computer, some of our crunchers encouraged me to create a SETI@home fundraising campaign at Bitcoin Utopia. It allows you to use BOINC to generate donations in cryptocurrencies like bitcoin SETI@home.
267) Message boards : Technical News : Status Update (Nov 19, 2014) (Message 1603742)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We were getting free support and updates for a while.
268) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1603683)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric i have a question which is probbably stupid but any way here goes .

....

So my question to you is this .

If it was the server that stuffed up and you are now replacing it with another system could you not just do what i did load what ever drivers you needed for the new server and just put the old drives in that and just continue on


Not a silly question. It may not have been obvious from earlier posts that the problem with the server, bruno, was separate from the database issue. We couldn't just do a disk swap on bruno because the new machine has a backplane that connects directly to a different type of disk controller than bruno does. The new server uses software raid where bruno used 3ware hardware raid.

The database problem doesn't involve a hardware swap. The Astropulse signal table really does need to be reorganized in a way that it gets stored differently on disk.
269) Message boards : Technical News : Another Update (Nov 21, 2014) (Message 1603676)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's still running. Apparently it has slowed down over time. It's still got 16.5M rows to go. So it'll be another two days before I can tell you how many more days it will be.
270) Message boards : Technical News : Status Update (Nov 19, 2014) (Message 1603674)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you don't mind me asking, what version of Informix do you use?


IDS 10.00, unfortunately.

And which Edition?
Some say e.g. "Resource limited to a single CPU core and 1GB of server memory"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Informix_Dynamic_Server


It would be the equivalent of Ultimate Edition. No CPU, number of users, or database size limitations.
271) Message boards : Technical News : Status Update (Nov 19, 2014) (Message 1603671)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
IDS 10.00, unfortunately.

Any Mileage in updating to V12?


It has fewer constraints on table size, so there would be a long term benefit. But we would need to rebuild the tables to get those benefits, so short term we'd be in the same boat. The problem with upgrading is that the people at Informix/IBM who were enabling the donation of the software are long gone. I haven't checked IBM's licensing terms recently. They were unaffordable for us last time I checked. We certainly don't want to upgrade to anything that requires an annual license fee.
272) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1603366)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Did you recently upgrade your graphics driver? If the answer is yes, that could be the issue. If the answer is no, don't.

[edit] I checked the logs. It's not your driver. Your computer doesn't seem to be combining request for CPU and GPU work. I contacts the server requesting only CPU work and then less than a second later it asks for GPU work, but no CPU work.

When it asks for CPU work it is given everything the server has. So there's nothing available to satisfy the GPU request. I don't know why that is happening.[/edit]
273) Message boards : Technical News : Status Update (Nov 19, 2014) (Message 1603331)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you don't mind me asking, what version of Informix do you use?


IDS 10.00, unfortunately.
274) Message boards : Technical News : Status Update (Nov 19, 2014) (Message 1603328)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks for the update Eric, I'll keep my fingers crossed that it's worked. I take it the data dump and reload would mean starting over?


Yes, but I think a dump and reload would be faster than this reorg attempt was because it can be done without indexes on the new table. It's usually faster to rebuild indexes than it is to update every entry (which is probably what is causing this to take so long.)
275) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1602869)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Are they all VLAR workunits? Those don't go to most GPUs.
276) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1602823)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric said:
Second, because of funding, Astronomy isn't top dog at Arecibo anymore, so Astronomers get a smaller fraction of the observing time.

I thought research in astronomy was the reason Arecibo was built.
I have a question. When the people running Arecibo aren't using it for astronomy, what are they using it for?


The Arecibo telescope's original purpose was to study the ionosphere, which was not very well understood in the 1950s. That it was built so large was a lucky accident. The ionospheric studies originally planned could have been accomplished with a much smaller dish, but there was a mistake in one of the sensitivity calculations. The ionosphere observations are still going on.

Then there are planetary radar observations of Near Earth Objects (NEOs). I guess that qualifies as astronomy, but we can't observe for SETI@home during them.

Looking at the schedules it appears that the decreased astronomy time is a small fraction of the change. The larger change is that fewer projects are using the GALFA receiver. The 327MHz pulsar survey is getting a lot of time as are smaller single beam projects using the L-wide receiver. We don't yet have the ability to record through SERENDIP VI, or we could piggyback on those project, too.
277) Message boards : Technical News : Status Update (Nov 19, 2014) (Message 1602805)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The AstroPulse database rebuild is continuing with 31M rows left to go (as far as I can tell). In which case, by Friday morning (PST) we should know whether it worked. Meanwhile Matt and Jeff are scrounging the archives for data we've overlooked.

Unfortunately, I think the rebuild didn't work. There hasn't been an error message or any error indication, but the appearance of the read/write statistics leads me to believe that it failed about 5 days ago and has spent the time since then undoing what it had done so far. Stopping it now would only make recovering things worse. That's not how databases work.

If I'm right, we'll end up doing a data dump and reload. At this point we're sticking with Informix. I looked into other databases, and PostgreSQL was the only feature complete database in the correct price range. With MySQL and its derivatives I would need to come up with a way to emulate defined types and LISTs. PostgreSQL has defined types and its array support is very much like lists. The only thing we use that PostgreSQL is missing is synonyms. Annoyingly "end" is a reserved word, so columns named "end" are forbidden, so that would have to change. It would probably only take be a few days of coding to write the interface layer to our database classes and to modify the schema_to_class compiler to parse PostgreSQL's schema syntax (it currently does Informix and MySQL). And a couple days to build and test all the server components. Of course those are full time days, and I don't really have any of those in the next couple weeks. So Informix it is, for the time being. I may peck at the PostgreSQL code during my down time, for future use.
278) Message boards : Technical News : Taking longer than expected (Nov 13, 2014) (Message 1600846)
Posted 14 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Good idea. I'll have to dig into what features are found in the various database options.
279) Message boards : Technical News : Taking longer than expected (Nov 13, 2014) (Message 1600681)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The Astropulse database fix is taking longer than expected. By one measure (the amount of data written into the new database spaces) we're 70% done. By another measure (the number of table rows showing up in the table stats) we are 25% done. This is after 5 days. I'm inclined to believe the 25% number, in which case we will run out of SETI@home work before Astropulse is back online. If you don't have a low share back-up project, now might be time to add one.

Informix never ceases to astonish me with the way it does things. The table rebuild is neither maxing out CPUs or I/O, primarily because it doesn't seem to be running the table creation in parallel. It's working on one table fragment at a time. It also seems to be making a copy of the data in two places and leaving large portions the allocated data chunks unused. It's certainly not the way I would have written it, but then again I don't write database. The worst case is that these multiple copies of data will cause it to exceed the limits again and we'll have to start over. It looks like we're 68% of the way to exceeding those limits. Hope Informix is smart enough to avoid the problem.
280) Message boards : Cafe SETI : To whom it may concern..... (Message 1600666)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Two Nebraska running backs walked into a bar. Melvin Gordon ducked under it, gave it a spin move and ran 75 yards for the touchdown.


281) Message boards : Cafe SETI : To whom it may concern..... (Message 1600040)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's somewhat unfair for me to comment on this picture because that's the only way Nebraska football players score. That includes off the field.

282) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1599245)
Posted 10 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I hate to hear that we had to re-crunch several months' data because it "had a problem."


Whether its being recrunched depends upon what the "problem" is. If the problem was that a data glitch caused half of the tape to be skipped, then it's not being recrunched, it's being crunched for the first time. If the problem was that a database crash resulted in the loss of the results, then it is being recrunched, but not because of a problem with the data. And in the case of Astropulse, a significant portion of the data was never processed with Astropulse at all.

As I said, we won't send out data for reprocessing in order to make unnecessary work. That would be more than a little irresponsible. But given our financial situation there will be cases where we have to choose between 6 months of manpower and a couple months of crunching. It would be nice to think that we can afford to hire someone for just 6 months, but we typically can't. So if it comes down to sending out some tapes again in order to fix some database corruption or picking through binary files hand for months, we'll probably have little choice but to send it again.

In this case, once we were within a few weeks of finishing the available data, Jeff told Arecibo to send the partially full box, and that's why you are seeing some new data now.
283) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1599238)
Posted 10 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thank you, Eric.

One more question: what's happening with Beta?


Beta is offline until the bruno replacement is up and running.
284) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1598792)
Posted 9 Nov 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Here's a long overdue status update that will hopefully answer some of the questions you may have about the last week.

    1. Bruno started hanging with a "stuck cpu" linux kernel message. I don't know what causes this sort of thing. Moving all the services except uploads to other machines seems to have solved the problem, so far. Next week we're planning to replace Bruno with a Sun X4540 that the Lab was removing from service.

    2. Around the same time, the Astropulse assimilators started failing with a message "-603 Cannot close TEXT or BYTE value." Turns out we had run up against another informix limit. I'm resolving that, but it's looking like we are only 1/8th of the way done after 24 hours. Until it's done we won't be able to generate Astropulse work.

    3. New Data. Finally, in the last few weeks, we've gotten some data from 2014 split and out the door. Not a lot, though. There are a few reasons why it took so long. First, the Arecibo itself and the ALFA receiver that we use for SETI@home was offline for much of 2014 (mostly January to June), so we don't have that much data. Second, because of funding, Astronomy isn't top dog at Arecibo anymore, so Astronomers get a smaller fraction of the observing time. And compounding it is that disks are bigger and we don't send a box until it's full (to save on shipping costs), so it takes longer to fill a box of disks. Which brings us to...

    4. Old Data. We have been working on old data. It's not a "make work" thing. Most of the data we've been sending had a problem the first time around. Either part of the data was left unprocessed, or the results were questionable. In addition, all the old data that has been sent had not been processed with S@H v7, so there was no autocorrelation analysis done on it. We've still got big chunks of data that have never been processed with Astropulse to send out. We don't believe in making work for the sake of making work.

    5. Will we run out of data? It depends upon what you mean by that. We may run out of SETI@home data taken by the current data recorder, although there is still plenty of Astropulse data to process. Jeff is prioritizing the GBT data splitter, so we hope to have that on line before too long. It will also be the starting point for the next thing, which will be to use SERENDIP VI as a data recorder. It should be capable of much higher data rates (GBps) than the current recorder, and therefore much higher bandwidths. It should also give us our first taste of the 327MHz Sky Survey data.


Hope that answers some of your questions.

285) Message boards : Technical News : Long Outage (October 21, 2014) (Message 1589959)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela won't let me get into bed tonight until I post a Tech News update. This is going to be a short update because it is late and I am tired.

The reason for the long outage today was that our backup database machine crashed over the weekend and we decided that it was easier to restore that machine from a new backup of the primary database than to try to recover the data and replay a the database logs to the backup. It never quite works out when you do that.

For any guys thinking about proposing to their girlfriends this upcoming holiday season, buy that ring now. Marriage is a wonderful institution and I am so lucky to be a married man. She is making me say that.
286) Message boards : Number crunching : APv7-related issues and errors (Message 1584979)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
OK, there are now two plan classes, one for 10.7.4 through 10.7.99 and one for 10.8.5 and up.


No, but eventually driver issue with first version of ML (10.8.0) Updating OS X to 10.8.5 recommended, not only for GPU driver, but more to reduce security risc of unsolved OS bugs in that version.

Ok, I'll talk with Eric if we could exclude such hosts from stock distribution.


Currently the minimum OS version for MacOS ATI is 10.7.4. Are we suggesting that be increased to 10.8.5, or just that 10.8.0-10.8.4 be excluded?

As 10.8.0-10.8.4 were not in beta, my suggest (without volunteers doing further tests we can't be more precise) is to exclude 10.8.0-10.8.4
287) Message boards : Number crunching : APv7-related issues and errors (Message 1584742)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

No, but eventually driver issue with first version of ML (10.8.0) Updating OS X to 10.8.5 recommended, not only for GPU driver, but more to reduce security risc of unsolved OS bugs in that version.

Ok, I'll talk with Eric if we could exclude such hosts from stock distribution.


Currently the minimum OS version for MacOS ATI is 10.7.4. Are we suggesting that be increased to 10.8.5, or just that 10.8.0-10.8.4 be excluded?
288) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XX - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1581373)
Posted 3 Oct 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Foundation For Investing In Research On Seti Science And Technology (FIRSST) is a new foundation that we are participating in. Primarily FIRSST will be seeking large donations so that SETI projects aren't working on minimal year to year funding.

But FIRSST will be independent. There's no guarantee that any specific project will be funded unless the donors specifically support a project. If you want to fund SETI@home, it's best to do so through our web site links. If you're a billionaire, on the other hand, who wants to support a SETI project for a decade or so, FIRSST may be the way to go.
289) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #220: 70's Disco dancing music :) (Message 1570821)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dedicated to my wife. ...
290) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What's for breakfast? (Message 1569897)
Posted 10 Sep 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Debra and I were an item for many years to be sure. Une petite amie I can't forget, to be sure. She was quite a cupcake, but then she left to become a hostess at the Madison estate. I guess working at that nutty bar downtown wasn't good enough for her. I guess this ding dong just was another notch in her belt. I'm sure she's laughing about it to this day. "Ho ho!"
291) Message boards : Number crunching : Illegal fundraising????? (Message 1568071)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Esme has it down. Mark posted a one-line segment of an argument he was having with my wife. My wife is entitled to her personal opinions, which she was expressing privately.

Angela doesn't speak for the project. Neither does Mark. We value every contribution. We enjoy donation challenges. Nobody should be claiming project endorsement for their challenges. Nobody should be claiming they receive special privileges for their efforts. Nobody should be berating anyone for the size of their donations. Everyone here donates computer time and electricity.

We've been generally tolerant of Mark's idiosyncrasies on the forums. This has not been because of what Mark contributes to the project, but out of simple kindness and an understanding of the challenges he faces. Mark does not have special access to me, and I think his claims of that were what initially angered my wife.
292) Message boards : News : What does loss of net neutrality mean for volunteer computing? (Message 1547011)
Posted 24 Jul 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Okay, how do I stop the repeated "Notices" from firing in BOINC that lead to this political blog message? Seriously.


The best way is to contact David Anderson about the bug that causes this. It's just like contacting the FCC. If enough people do it, it might get fixed.
293) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What does loss of net neutrality mean for volunteer computing? (Message 1539189)
Posted 10 Jul 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

The comment link looks to be:

Comments - Protecting and Promoting the Open Internet



Thanks. It appears they've removed the list of most active Proceedings. Apparently that made it too easy for the people to comment on important issues. That doesn't make it seem promising that our concerns will be heard.
294) Message boards : News : What does loss of net neutrality mean for volunteer computing? (Message 1538858)
Posted 10 Jul 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, and, unfortunately loss of net neutrality gives American ISPs the ability to treat foreign people and countries in a non-neutral manner as well.
295) Message boards : News : What does loss of net neutrality mean for volunteer computing? (Message 1538835)
Posted 10 Jul 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dr. Korpela has posted a new blog entry on Net Neutrality and why its loss might be bad for distributed computing. It includes instructions on how to comment to the the FCC about the issue.
296) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What does loss of net neutrality mean for volunteer computing? (Message 1538832)
Posted 10 Jul 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What does loss of net neutrality mean for volunteer computing? Quite possibly the end.

In the early days of the "public access" Internet, both organizations and end users paid Internet service providers (ISPs) for access to the Internet, the entire Internet. Those ISPs, in turn, paid for access to the Internet backbones, or made "peering agreements" with backbone access providers. Those peering agreements essentially said "If you carry my traffic without prejudice, I'll carry yours." It worked pretty well. To some extent it was self policing. If one provider violated peering agreements, their peers would disconnect them until they saw the error of their ways.

Those days are over, replaced by the days of the monopoly broadband providers. Most people in the United States only have access to one broadband provider. And the large broadband providers each cover a large fraction of the market. Comcast has been declaring for years that they would like to charge companies for access to their customers. In October of last year, Comcast and Verizon began throttling traffic from Netflix to their customers by 50% or more. These customers had paid Comcast and Verizon for access to the entire Internet, including Netflix.

In the old Internet, this would have been a violation of any peering agreements that Comcast and Verizon were a party to, and both would have disappeared from the net for a while. In the new world, they were successful in extorting money out of Netflix. Why? Because the customers of the ISPs that peer with Comcast and Verizon didn't want to lose access to Comcast and Verizon customers. Comcast and Verizon have a license to do what they want now. Comcast and Verizon customers were furious. But most don't have another choice except dial-up.

The existence of volunteer computing is predecated on a open Internet where ISPs cannot extort money out of other organizations for access to their users. In a neutral Internet, users decide what content they want, not the ISP. Apparently nobody remembers what it was like in the pre-Internet days of Compuserve and the Source and AOL. Charge by the page for things that are now free. Charge by the minute for access at all. $25 for a copy of an SEC filing for a company.

Will ISPs be approaching us demanding payment? I don't know. We don't have any money to give them.

What can be done? The easiest route would be for the FCC to declare that Internet service providers are common carriers that cannot discriminate based on content, sender, or recipient. That doesn't mean they can't have tiered plans and can't change their rates. This change will not stifle innovation (apart from preventing innovative means of extortion) as we've had net neutrality until now. Will it happen? The FCC chair was the head of the National Cable Television Association and the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association, and so he sides with the large ISPs.

But you can comment on the FCC's proposal to allow ISPs to charge people who aren't their customers for "Fast Lane" access (which really means everyone else gets the really slow lane). Go to http://fcc.gov/comments and comment on FCC Dockets 14-28 and 10-127. Comments are accepted until July 15th.

I suggest a comment like the following:

The proposal to abandon Net Neutrality on the internet in favor of a multi-tiered content-biased system is deeply flawed. It would:

1. create a system that inhibits technical innovation by allowing ISPs to choose which technologies their customers can access.
2. create a system that protects entrenched companies while penalizing the start-ups that have been the life blood of the internet.
3. limit access of non-profit organizations that cannot afford "fast-lane" fees.
4. penalize media companies that do not directly own cable or satellite access to consumers.

The Internet has flourished under the de facto common carrier ISPs held until recently. It is time for the FCC to declare that ISPs are Common Carriers and hold them to that status.


Edit: The FCC web site no longer shows a link to the comments page. It is here
297) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric (Message 1535851)
Posted 4 Jul 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thank you all for the birthday wishes. No fishing for me today, but I didn't spend too much time at the old science factory.

And there was cake. And cake. And cake.
298) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beet's Give Us a Caption #56 (Message 1531758)
Posted 25 Jun 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Itsy bitsy spiders should know better than to climb the waterspouts of secret government facilities.
299) Message boards : Number crunching : No ATI GPU WUs? (Message 1514606)
Posted 11 May 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll look into it next week. IIRC, there was a bad AMD/ATI driver set that was identifiable by its CAL driver revision that would bluescreen XP when any OpenCL app was run, so we put the CAL driver revision check into the plan class. The best bet is probably to add an additional plan class that requires OpenCL 1.2 but does require a CAL revision.

I wish AMD would take some lessons on legacy hardware and legacy API support. Did I ever tell the story of how fun it was when AMD removed OpenCL drivers from 25,000 BOINC machines with a driver "upgrade"?
300) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Star Wars Day (Message 1512378)
Posted 5 May 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Really? I thought you were wearing your Jabba the Hutt costume.
301) Message boards : News : Friday March 21 SETI talks to be webcast live. (Message 1504751)
Posted 16 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Didn't know that would happen. I've unexported it.
302) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1504417)
Posted 15 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
<quote>So if they are on CreditNew they need to keep the slowest app for 'calibration'? ;)</quote>

Yes, actually. If the speed difference is large (and if the server works as advertised) then the slow version should be sent only very rarely.

Of course the second part of that if is the hard part.

The assumption of course, is that a slow app is representative of the benchmark speeds. Of course, that's never the case. The benchmarks will always be faster than any real single threaded SISD app. That's what the old "credit multiplier" was for.
303) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1503216)
Posted 12 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You've got it backwards. Calibrating for the best optimized version reduces the credit grants for all versions and penalizes optimizations. Calibrating for the worst increases the credit grants for all versions.
304) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1502410)
Posted 10 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, I can see some of these can be incremental changes, and some will require more under the hood. Fixing the "multi-threaded app get same credit as single threaded apps" problem and normalizing to the least (rather than most) efficient are something I can put into the code quickly. Other things that are design and database changes to track resources rather than code changes will take more time.
305) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1502394)
Posted 10 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Another question... do multi-threaded apps consistently report CPU time to be about n_compute_threads*elapsed_time on all platforms (so we could use CPU time/elapsed time to determine a multiplier)?

(I realize that doesn't cover SIMD, but it's a start).
306) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1502374)
Posted 10 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That's what I never understood. There's enough information in the PFC values to determine credit scaling, but a pfc_scale factor is calculated instead. A scale less than 1 should never be possible (for a CPU app) if we're scaled to the least efficient. And a scale more than 1 should never be possible if we're scaled to the most efficient.

Yet a quick check shows that our pfc_scales range from 0.51 to 1.30. So I'd say because of that our credit grants are probably low by at least 1/0.51=1.9X.

The way the current code seems to work is that the most common CPU app (windows) sets the scaling. That needs to be fixed.
307) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1502273)
Posted 10 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Another possibility I've considered. I've never confirmed that the credits are really scaled to the least efficient CPU version for a platform. In theory, if I were to create a CPU version of SETI@home with no threading or SIMD using the Ooura FFT and release it under the plan class "calibration". After 100 results come back from that version, the credits of everything else should go up. In theory, of course.

More work would be required to allow short running calibration versions.

Then for credit calibration, all a project would need to do is generate a calibration version of every application including GPU apps and some server code to greatly limit the number of calibration apps that go out.
308) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1501759)
Posted 9 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, if we went back to flop counting we would need to standardize. It makes sense to standardize on the most common algorithms for things like FFT, trig and exp. FFT would be 5*N*log(N), trig functions would be about 11 if the result is used as single precision and I've forgotten the number (17?) for double precision.

Granting a standardized value rewards optimization that removes operations (i.e. sincosf() would get credit for 22 FLOPS rather than 16.) Of course, the project needs to be honest about whether it needs both values from the sincosf().

That said, I think the SETI@home FLOP counting grants 1 FLOP for sin() or cos().
309) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1499275)
Posted 3 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The server uncompensates for attempts to compensate.
310) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1499166)
Posted 3 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I wish. David stripped out the APIs entirely.
311) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1498945)
Posted 3 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll laugh at the Collatz joke when they start counting operations and using that to grant credit.
312) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1498606)
Posted 2 Apr 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The really short summary is, it sucks and nobody else uses it. Which is why most other projects give more credit than SETI@home, (although some projects are incredibly ridiculous about the credits they give).
313) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's life going for me? (Message 1497657)
Posted 31 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I volunteer to be the next Fred. Bring it.


Sorry, our policy is not to give the job to anyone who actually wants it.

Application denied.
314) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's life going for me? (Message 1497645)
Posted 30 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The PM system is not a part of the forums. If we were going to control what is said there, we would need the moderators to read them all. If you'd like us to implement this, Misfit, we will begin with your account, and bring Esme back as a moderator just for you. Just say the word.

We provide users with tools to avoid getting PMs from people they don't like. That protects us from liability and prevents us from having to violate people's privacy.
315) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's life going for me? (Message 1497627)
Posted 30 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric-I wasn't coming to you because you told me you aren't interested in any discussion or responsibility over the forums anymore-suddenly you are. I'm confused.

Thanks for the thoughts and the information-I do appreciate it


I certainly don't want to be involved. I'm far too busy to take time out for the forums (especially this week) but when law enforcement is involved I have no choice. If Fred were to get called I would end up on the phone anyway.

But even more to the point, there's only so much a Fred will put up with before I have to find a new Fred. Nobody who has ever had the job before will ever agree to do it again.
316) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's life going for me? (Message 1497623)
Posted 30 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Misfit,

If I were throwing people under the bus, you would have gone under a long time ago and you'd still be there. If you feel you've been treated unfairly, then I claim your views are distorted. Let's not go digging in that graveyard.

Not everyone in the SETI group has accounts on the servers, and certainly not everyone working at the lab. I don't have accounts on several of the SETI group machines.

Let's remember that I am absolute dictator of this little universe. Such policies are written by me and are subject to change with or without notice, at my whim. They are not an agreement with you.
317) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's life going for me? (Message 1497549)
Posted 30 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Blurf,

Even when you were a moderator you misunderstood the reason for hiding posts and banishing users. With the possible exception of the permabans, hiding posts and banishment is meant to keep offensive material out of the forums. It is not meant as punishment or designed to elicit behavior modification. If it were, it should be pretty obvious to everyone that it doesn't work. (It should also be apparent that in most cases permanent banishment doesn't work either, as the banished can easily make new accounts.) Mark isn't a puppy (or rather kitty) to be trained. He's an adult and is responsible for his own actions.


While I have not made a formal decision yet--Should I contact Legal Authorities, I am nearly positive they will want a name and a contact number for the person who oversees the forums.


You'll have to give them my name and phone number or Jeff's or Matt's. Fred, by design, doesn't have direct access to the SETI@home server machines, so he can't tell you anything that's not available through the web interface. (We don't want accusations that Fred is reading other people's PMs or trying to figure out their IP addresses.)

I know you would love to know Fred's identity. His anonymity is what allows him to do his job. He's the best forum administrator we've had, myself included. He didn't sign away any rights to do this job, so he stays protected. I personally don't think your desire to know who Fred is has anything to do with Mark Sattler. I don't see how Fred's identity is material when the information pertinent to your case is either in our database, or is in a PM that's been deleted by you.


Please allow me to question this. Escalating consequences I don't see other than I acknowledge he is clearly getting banned quicker.


I don't particularly care if there are escalating consequences or not. You don't have to ask for anything regarding Mark Sattler. You have been provided with the tools to never again see a post or PM from him, yet you refuse to use them. You can permanently banish him from your life, yet you don't. That seems to be a choice that you've made.

These forums are here because they benefit both our volunteers and the project, with little cost beyond the time spent by our moderators and Fred. It would not take many billable hours by lawyers to swing that cost-benefit analysis in the opposite direction.
318) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1496434)
Posted 28 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yeah, in theory it's possible to make a device independent OpenCL app. But thus far it doesn't seem to have been done. Jason, Josef or Raistmer will correct me if I'm wrong about that.
319) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1495852)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I wish I could say someone was on it full time. We have a MacOS ATI astropulse app in the beta project if you'd like to help test it.
320) Message boards : News : Friday March 21 SETI talks to be webcast live. (Message 1495612)
Posted 26 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What Colossus needs most now is a way to get the $700M or so necessary to build it, assuming they can (as they hope) get the costs down to the level of GMT. I don't know enough about the sensors and the way data would be taken to know if there is an analysis role for BOINC.

Regarding putting the talks on youtube, I was assured they would eventually be moved there but wasn't given a timescale.
321) Message boards : News : Friday March 21 SETI talks to be webcast live. (Message 1494587)
Posted 24 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks for posting the link. Given the short time I had, I think I did OK. There was just too much to cover.

If you haven't watched Jeff Kuhn's talk about Colossus and looking for waste heat on planets, it's interesting. For some reason it was in Session 4 rather than Session 5 (the SETI session). Jill Tarter's and Shauna Sallmen's and Ian Morrison's talks are interesting as well.

Regarding answering questions you've posted, I intend to get back into blogging about SETI, but it will have to wait until after the ICON EUV PDR. I'll be pretty swamped before then.
322) Message boards : News : Friday March 21 SETI talks to be webcast live. (Message 1492795)
Posted 21 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Imagine how it is for us. Jill is a hard act to follow.
323) Message boards : News : Friday March 21 SETI talks to be webcast live. (Message 1492429)
Posted 21 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Certainly.
324) Message boards : News : Friday March 21 SETI talks to be webcast live. (Message 1492243)
Posted 20 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The SETI talks by Jill Tarter, Eric Korpela, Shauna Sallmen, and Ian Morrison at the "Search for Life Beyond the Solar System" conference will be broadcast live on Friday, March 21. The scheduled time for the talks is:

1:30PM PDT (2030 UTC) - Jill Tarter
2:00PM PDT (2100 UTC) - Eric Korpela
2:20PM PDT (2120 UTC) - Shauna Sallmen
2:40PM PDT (2140 UTC) - Ian Morrison

To connect go to http://connect.arc.nasa.gov/ebi2014/. If you have difficulty with that link, try http://connect.arc.nasa.gov/ebi2014?launcher=false Once you are there, select enter as guest, and enter a name, then click "Enter Room". Participants may get the opportunity to ask questions of the speakers.
325) Message boards : News : Astropulse database is back. (Message 1485432)
Posted 6 Mar 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Astropulse work is flowing once again. Thanks to Matt and Jeff for performing the necessary brain transplant.
326) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Before and After (Message 1479001)
Posted 19 Feb 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Now accepting applications for younger hotter women...
327) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XIX - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1473874)
Posted 7 Feb 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
rolling golden hills


Don't you mean your s*** brown hills?
328) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1471805)
Posted 2 Feb 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

So, if Intel were to support Core CPU/iGPU's on linux, somebody would eventually figure out that they can save thousands of dollars, and get more performance for their 1000-node supercomputer if they built it on Core. So, don't expect to see a linux Core OpenCL driver any time soon...unfortunately Intel will protect their interests on this one.


That seems a silly strategy, because everyone who cares knows about GPUs. Everyone I know that worries about high bandwidth floating point performance is putting at least one GPU per CPU in their linux cluster/supercomputer. Right now they are typically going to NVIDIA because long term (>12 month) support for a GPU architecture isn't typically available elsewhere. Intel stands to miss out on that.
329) Message boards : News : SETI@home now supports Intel GPUs (Message 1470408)
Posted 29 Jan 2014 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've released SETI@home 7.03 for Intel GPUs that support OpenCL 1.2. If you have an Intel GPU and want to use it to speed up SETI@home make sure that "Use Intel GPU" is set to "yes" in your Project Preferences.

Thanks again to the crew at lunatics.kwsn.net for porting and testing this app.
330) Message boards : Number crunching : No AP opencl_ati_100 since 26 Nov (Message 1453629)
Posted 13 Dec 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I found another missing <max_cal_target> and fixed it. Hopefully you'll get the normal versions now.
331) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XIX - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1447523)
Posted 27 Nov 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela instructs one of her minions to do her bidding.
332) Message boards : News : Our Winter 2013 fundraising drive is underway. (Message 1444841)
Posted 21 Nov 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you didn't get our email detailing some of our accomplishments and plans, you can read it here.
333) Message boards : News : Long-time setizen John Clark has passed away. (Message 1441613)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're sad to report the passing of long time SETI@home volunteer John Clark. Those of us who frequented the forums will certainly remember him. John was very recently mourning the passing of his wife, Sheila. Our thoughts are with his family and friends.

People are posting their condolences and their memories of John in this thread.
334) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1431756)
Posted 22 Oct 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It probably means that the BOINC team has decided your device isn't fully compatible with BOINC. What kind of device (model) is it?
335) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1427912)
Posted 13 Oct 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, we'll never do ads because that would jeopardize the entire University's tax exempt status. And get me fired.
336) Message boards : News : Berkeley SETI at California Academy of Sciences (Message 1426511)
Posted 10 Oct 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Berkeley SETI scientists will be at the California Academy of Sciences this week. Dan Werthimer will be giving a talk Thursday night (Oct 10) at Nightlife at the Academy. Eric Korpela, Andrew Siemion, and other SETI scientists will be there as well to answer questions and chat about SETI. Nightlife runs from 6pm to 10pm and is for people aged 21 and over.

On Saturday and Sunday, Eric and Andrew will be participating in Brilliant!Science: Extraterrestrial Life also at the Academy. They'll be giving demonstrations and explaining SETI techology and techniques. This event is child friendly and runs from 10am to 4pm on Saturday and Sunday.
337) Message boards : News : NRAO telescopes will be taken offline due to government shutdown (Message 1423639)
Posted 3 Oct 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've received notice that the NRAO telescopes at Greenbank will be shut down at 5pm on Friday if the government shutdown continues. We don't have any immediately scheduled observations there, so this should not affect us in the short term.

We have not yet heard of any impact on Arecibo, but since it is operated under contract rather than being directly operated by the government, we are hoping observations there will continue.
338) Message boards : Number crunching : A new kitty auction.......... (Message 1421286)
Posted 28 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dear Eric Korpela,

Thank you for your gift of $342.00 via .... on 09/27/2013.
Your gift will benefit the following area:

SETI@home - $342.00

Your confirmation number is: 117688

339) Message boards : Number crunching : A new kitty auction.......... (Message 1421284)
Posted 28 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm donating $342 for "my team" GPUUG. And I'm not doing this under duress. Angela is definitely not holding my beloved Compucolor II hostage.

340) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1420787)
Posted 27 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I downloaded but it says it is suspended because your device is busy with other apps. Not running anything other than what I usually have running.


That message means something else is using your CPU. It could be a background process (like checking for updates). The message should go away after a while.
341) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1419039)
Posted 22 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry, but I read that in my prev netbook's manual (Acer Aspire One). They definitely recommended full charge/discharge cycle when possible.


Hardware manufacturers may have a vested interest in batteries that die after a certain number of cycles, especially with non-replaceable batteries. I work in an industry where a dead cell in a battery can destroy a quarter billion dollar mission, our typical maximum allowed discharge is 20% (i.e. 80% remaining) and the main cause of early battery failure is discharging too deeply. That killed the last mission I worked on, three months early.

Of course since that cost of failure on the ground is much less (a replacement battery or a replacement device) it may be worth the chance of maintaining battery capacity with a small chance on destroying the battery. Even when reconditioning early (pre-1990s) NiCds on the ground it was discharge at a constant 5 mA until the cell reached 0.4V. Going below that risked damage, and you couldn't do it with multiple cells in series because of the risk of cell reversal.

Not that most smart phones give you much choice. 8 hours off the charger and they are dead anyway.
342) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1419030)
Posted 22 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I find that with my phone as well, the 5.2V charger that came with the phone can keep up, but the standard 5.0V USB charger doesn't.

I suggest leaving the setting at "run only above 90% charged" even if it reduces the amount of time you spend crunching.

343) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1418186)
Posted 20 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

A port to iOS seems possible now that iOS 7 appears to allow full multitasking, but App Store policies make an iOS version difficult (or illegal) to distribute. We would probably need to strip out any GPL code and distribute under a different license. And at a minimum, BOINC and SETI@home would need to be distributed as separate apps, and any updates to SETI@home apps would have to be distributed through the app store rather than through the SETI@home servers.

In other words, there's a lot of work to be done and I don't know if anything is being done on the BOINC side of things.
344) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1416477)
Posted 16 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Does anybody know how much SETI / Boinc will drain your phone battery ??


It should only run when connected to power and when the battery is at least 90% charged. It shouldn't run down your battery at all.
345) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1415329)
Posted 13 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What device are you running on?
346) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1413951)
Posted 10 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm wondering about having them being on power 24/7, as far as I know it's not good for the battery?


Don't feel the need to charge them 24/7. Just use them normally. I charge mine at night and have it hooked to my laptop when at work.

Charging shouldn't damage your battery (unless the charging circuit is very poorly designed). Most devices have a temperature sensor on the battery that BOINC monitors, so it will shut down if it's getting warm. The phone usually monitors that sensor and stops charging to protect the battery if it gets warm, too.

Deeply discharging your battery too often can cause damage, so I don't recommend that anyone set BOINC to run on batteries. Anything you see online about batteries developing a "memory" that requires them to be discharged fully doesn't apply to NiMH or Lithium batteries. It really didn't apply to NiCd batteries either. It's just one of those urban legends that refuses to go away.
347) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1413782)
Posted 10 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
considering the low-power -> low crunch rate of mobile phones, why make an ARM version to begin with? Is crunching on your mobile really going to contribute to the grand scale of SETI and other BOINC projects, or is it just going to drain your battery faster without making much of a difference at all?


Actually, low power and large numbers are some of the point. There are 100 times as many phones out there as PCs, so potentially phones can have a large impact (if we sign up enough users). And phones individually use very little power, so in terms of FLOPS per watt, they could be more efficient than PCs.

BOINC, by default, only runs applications when your phone is plugged and fully charged, so it shouldn't run down your battery.
348) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1413506)
Posted 9 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That's not unusual for portable devices. The FPUs on phones and tablets typically process at 1/10th the speed of a desktop computer of the same clock rate. That's how they get away with using so little power. Imagine trying to run your desktop on your phone's battery. :)
349) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1413386)
Posted 9 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're still working on why this is happening. It seems restricted to specific phones that don't like the armv6 version. I'll be releasing new versions this week that may be able to correct the problem. Till then you should do fine with the armv7 version.
350) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1412287)
Posted 6 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Congratulations to this idea, unfortunately, appears after the start of the app only STARTING on the screen and over and over again
my smartphone is a motorola razr i ; with intel inside ;-)
Android is 4.1.2


Hmmm. Did you install from one of the app stores, if so, which one? They're supposed to limit it to ARM processors at this point unless your phone/pad has an ARM emulator. (The Intel version hasn't been released yet).
351) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1412278)
Posted 6 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

When the RAM is Full, android stop World community grid application and nativeboinc looks for the file containing the results of the calculation, but it don't find this results file and cause computation error.


There's something projected dependent about this. When SETI@home gets stopped for the same reason, it just restarts. (Sometimes over and over and over again without doing much of anything). So there's something about the way that the WCG app quits that BOINC recognizes as an error. Maybe it is lack of the output file, which is the first thing SETI@home creates.

I'll bring it to the attention of the BOINC developers. You should mention it to the WCG developers.
352) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1412277)
Posted 6 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

The HTC ONE has returned 10 tasks in a few minutes, all with "Computation error" :-(


That's one of the reasons we need beta testers, so I can figure out things like this. Hope to have new versions out early next week that, even if they don't fix the problem will at least give me more info on why it's happening.
353) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411985)
Posted 6 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Account creation page should be working now. Temporarily at least.
354) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411919)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hmmmm..... I'll check it out.
355) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411902)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm trying to create an account but the last part, "Please enter the words shown in the image", I don't see any image or anywhere to type an answer.

Using newest Firefox, IE 8, and Chrome.


I think you can just ignore those words.
356) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411856)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Haven't seen that one before. Can you point me to your beta account so I can see the details of the EVO 3d?
357) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411787)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Where in the android app does one create the account? Or, create a project? I'm having difficulty finding this area, I only see a place to enter a URL and a password, but it isn't working in any way.


After adding the URL, a page for the project should pop up with a "register" button on it. If you can't get to that page you may need to quit the project and rejoin.
358) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411677)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks!
359) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411639)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Please let me know if and when an iOS version is developed. Thank you.


As soon as we figure out how to do that without running afoul of licenses and App Store rules, we will let everyone know.
360) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411636)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's best to post in the Android thread at the beta site...

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/forum_thread.php?id=2046
361) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411609)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Lo siento, pero no sé cómo conseguir traducciones aparezcan en BOINC. Mi español no es bueno, por lo que este puede no ser comprensible. Estoy utilizando software de traducción. El mensaje era ...

Estamos pruebas beta de la versión Android del "SETI @ home" aplicación y estamos buscando a más testers para acelerar el proceso. Si desea ayudar, instale la versión Android de BOINC través de la "Google Play Store" o el "Amazon AppStore". A continuación, cuando se le pidió unirse a un proyecto de entrar http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta como la dirección URL del proyecto.

Nota: El proyecto beta no tiene acceso a las cuentas de usuario de SETI @ home. A menos que usted ya está usando el proyecto beta, tendrá que crear una nueva cuenta allí.
362) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411605)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What a great Idea. But it will not verify my login information.


The beta project has an entirely separate user database. You'll need to create an account there.
363) Message boards : News : Android Beta Testers Needed (Message 1411576)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're beta testing the Android version of the SETI@home application and we're looking for more testers to speed up the process. If you'd like to help, install the Android version of BOINC through the Google Play Store or the Amazon App Store. Then when asked to join a project enter http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta as the project URL.

note: The beta project does not have access to SETI@home user accounts. Unless you're already using the beta project, you'll need to create a new account there.
364) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1406590)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric, is it possible that the differences in credit rates for MB and AP cpu are due to different hardware populations? IE people with higher-end hardware choose not to run AP?


It's possible. The differences between CUDA5 and CUDA2.3 are significantly due to hardware differences. I haven't done statistics on how many people have turned off either astropulse or setiathome. If I get time, maybe I'll try.
365) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1406589)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I am assuming 1 per GPU. I assume that accounts for the majority of our users and result.
366) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1406569)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
A question remains why with V6 that works? a simple coincidence?


I wish I could tell you. There aren't enough V6 results in the database to get accurate statistics. And any that are there are from slow machines, or machines that spend most of their time turned off.

367) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1406553)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Here's a little detail about why it's impossible to have Astropulse return credit at the same rate as SETI@home. I pulled all of the results currently in the database and figured out for each app version the rate at which credit is being granted (i.e. sum(granted_credit)/sum(elapsed_time)).

First the CPU versions since it's easy to do cross comparison. Here is the most recent version of Astropulse for each platform, against the most recent version of SETI@home.

app             platform              version  plan_class             credit/sec
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
astropulse_v6   i686-pc-linux-gnu       601                              0.0034
setiathome_v7   i686-pc-linux-gnu       701                              0.0047
                                                                           -28%

astropulse_v6   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu     603                              0.0058
setiathome_v7   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu     701                              0.0068
                                                                           -15% 

astropulse_v6   windows_intelx86        601                              0.0046
setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        700                              0.0058
                                                                           -21%

astropulse_v6   i686-apple-darwin       602                              0.0059
setiathome_v7   i686-apple-darwin       700                              0.0059
                                                                            tie

astropulse_v6   powerpc-apple-darwin    602                              0.0020
setiathome_v7   powerpc-apple-darwin    700                              0.0014
                                                                           +43%
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


So the windows and linux version grant more credit per second to SETI@home than they do for Astropulse. The only one that grant significantly more to astropulse is the powerpc version. I'm not sure why that would be.

Now the GPU versions. It's more difficult to directly compare because the Astropulse app is OpenCL on NVIDIA rather than the 5 flavors of CUDA. So I'll just group by manufacturer and OS and then sort by decreasing credit/sec.

app             platform              version  plan_class             credit/sec
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
astropulse_v6   windows_intelx86        606     opencl_ati_100           0.0687
astropulse_v6   windows_intelx86        606     ati_opencl_100           0.0683
setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        703     opencl_ati5_cat132       0.0477
setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        703     opencl_ati_cat132        0.0399
setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        703     opencl_ati5_sah          0.0244
setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        703     opencl_ati_sah           0.0231
astropulse_v6   windows_intelx86        608     cal_ati                  0.0108

astropulse_v6   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu     607     opencl_ati_100           0.0835
setiathome_v7   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu     704     opencl_ati_linux         0.0405
setiathome_v7   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu     704     opencl_ati_linux_cat132  0.0312
setiathome_v7   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu     704     opencl_ati5_linux        0.0273
setiathome_v7   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu     704     opencl_ati5_linux_cat132 0.0200

setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        700     cuda50                   0.0791
setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        700     cuda42                   0.0637
astropulse_v6   windows_intelx86        604     opencl_nvidia_100        0.0551
astropulse_v6   windows_intelx86        604     cuda_opencl_100          0.0413
setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        700     cuda32                   0.0335
setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        700     cuda23                   0.0305
setiathome_v7   windows_intelx86        700     cuda22                   0.0084

astropulse_v6   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu     607     opencl_nvidia_100        0.0908
astropulse_v6   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu     607     cuda_opencl_100          0.0478
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The conclusions I draw from this is that ATI card are much better at Astropulse than they are at SETI@home. The primary reason is probably that the GPU routines in SETI@home were written in CUDA and ported to OpenCL. In Astropulse the GPU routines were written directly in OpenCL. And I think that's where the perceived discrepancy between Astropulse and SETI@home credit rates comes from.
368) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1406276)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Every credit method we've ever used, with the exception of FLOP counting punished optimization, especially optimization of the stock apps.
369) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1406213)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Primarily because we have no way of figuring out which specific binary is being run under anonymous platform, so we have to treat every anonymous version on a specific host as being the same. But in the end it doesn't really matter, because it ends up being exactly the same thing.

I have no idea why it's done this way, but for anonymous...

pfc = raw_pfc * (app.min_avg_pfc / host_app_version.pfc_avg);


And for stock...

pfc = raw_pfc * (app.min_avg_pfc / app_version.pfc_avg) * (app_version.pfc_avg / host_app_version.pfc_avg);


The real code is more complicated than that, but that's the essence. Then the granted credit is a weighted average of the pfcs where stock typically gets twice the weight of anonymous.

370) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1406202)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I don't think that paragraph applies very often. Once a host has done 10 non-outlier results with an anonymous platform app version, it gets it's own host scale factor based on its own PFC. In the credit granting code, anonymous platform credit calculations are always considered to be approximate, so it's weighted less heavily (50%, IIRC) than the stock applications in the credit calculation.

Credit calcs are more complicated in CreditNew. There are the NORMAL and APPROX weightings, and there is also a weighting by how close to the app's average credit you are. That weight is there to prevent some of the exceptionally low credit situations we had in the past when we would always pick the lower one. Now we pick an average that is weighted toward the one that is closest to the long term average.

<edit>
I just read that paragraph again. It's only true in the case where a project uses single redundancy.
</edit>
371) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1406103)
Posted 21 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Apollo

29 21/08/2013 1:38:30 PM NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 780 (driver version 32641, CUDA version 5050, compute capability 3.5, 3072MB, 4698 GFLOPS peak)


Who's claiming this? Show me the code that achieves this.


Yes, that number is based on a lot of bad assumptions yet many GPU only projects or apps use it for calculating credit... It assumes 1) that there is no GPU memory latency. 2) The GPU is capable of performing every operation in one cycle. 3) Every operation necessary for the program can be parallelized to the maximum capability of the GPU and 4) the GPU doesn't stall while data is being transferred over the bus from CPU memory to GPU memory. All of those assumptions are wrong. In reality the machine above is running at 245 bGFLOP (benchmark-GFLOP which is the unit the BOINC client measures) 5.2% of "peak" which is about 86 real GFLOP/s. That's really 1.8% of "peak".

When talking about efficiency, I was talking about the former number which is based on the average windows machine doing 1 real FLOP for every 2.85 benchmark FLOP. So when I said 2.5% effificient, I really meant 0.88% efficient.


You can't seriously be basing efficiency calculations on this can you ?


Perhaps efficiency is a bad term. What I'm talking about is the ratio between what the BOINC client thinks the GPU is capable of doing, and the real world capabilities. If you've got a better way of calculating performance that can go into the BOINC client, I would push for that. Frankly, I would like to go back to FLOP counting, but none of the other projects were willing to spend the day of programming that it would take to add it to their apps. And all support for it has been removed from BOINC entirely.


Note that unfortunately I've yet to receive any response from Eric or the Linux & Mac Developer community to my request for input into getting public beta happening for x41zc, nor to earlier enquiries supporting my research into GPU reliability, aimed at improving fault tolerance.


Sorry about that, the email I assume you are talking about is still in my unread pile.
372) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1404787)
Posted 18 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
There are any number of things you could do to solve that problem. At some point you changed you must have changed your preference preferences to compute on the video card while you are using the computer. If you change "Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?" back to "yes" your problem should go away.
373) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1403264)
Posted 15 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
There seem to be a lot of misconceptions about the relationship between CreditNew and the decrease in credit granted for some people.

First, we've been using CreditNew for far longer than S@H v7 has been around. CreditNew is not all that new.

Second, there are no knobs to turn to increase credit. That was kind of the point of CreditNew. It more accurate to say that all the knobs are still there, it's just that turning them is counteracted by the CreditNew mechanism. I know, I've tried to turn them all with no effect.

Third, the credit decrease is by no means universal. For S@H v6, the elapsed time based credit for the stock cpu app on the average windows machine was scaled by 0.984311268359135. For S@H v7, the elapsed time based credit is scaled by 0.997756082254495. That's right, according to our server, windows machines are getting 1.3% more credit per second than they did under v6.

Where might the difference people are seeing come from? Maybe GPU apps. The efficiency of GPU based apps is different on between v6 and v7. Some parts of the code are more efficient, especially if you've got a GPU optimized for CUDA5. But the balance between different portions of the code has been changed by autocorrelation. Since we grant credit based on actual work, your GPU might be getting more or less credits per second. I'm not sure there is anything I can do about that. I tried raising credit by boosting the GPU projected flops multiplier by a factor of two. It worked for about a day before the GPU flops scale adjusted itself down by a factor of two.

And then there are optimized apps. We can't make any guarantees about the rate at which a non-stock app gets credit. Since credits are referenced to the stock apps, if we optimize the stock app, the credit rate for non-stock apps will go down. There was lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth when we released SETI@home enhanced, because optimized apps that used to get 10X the credit per second of the stock app suddenly only got 3X the credit. Lot's of people threatened to quit the project, and some did. Again, this is nothing I can fix.

As for other projects the grant more credit... Maybe its time to ask them why. For many projects there seems to be no relationship between credit granted and work done, especially GPU-only projects. CUDA5 GPUs are about 2.5% efficient when running SETI@home, and that's actually not that bad for GPU code. If we assumed GPUs were 100% efficient, and had a GPU-only app we could boost your credit rate by 40X. But I prefer that they mean something.
374) Message boards : News : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1400178)
Posted 7 Aug 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


If you'd like to help with testing, the beta project URL is http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta. I'm planning to release a new version today that I'm hoping will work on low memory devices. The version that's out in beta now barely works on a 256MB machine.

If the Android version of BOINC tells you that the beta project doesn't support Android, ignore it.
375) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1384656)
Posted 25 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
For SETI@home 7, we compress the executables and DLLs to save on download bandwidth. AVG and a (very) few other virus scanners consider this technique, which I've been using since 1989, to be "suspicious activity". Since they have a larger customer base than SETI@home does, they don't seem inclined to change their opinion.

I doubt that compression is the issue with the BOINC executable, though. I'm guessing that AVG doesn't like programs that can start and stop system services. Although since it's the identity protection component, it could just be an aversion to numbers. BOINC uploads and downloads a lot of files with numbers in them, and the last 4 digits of your social security number or the last four digits of your credit card number are bound to be in one of them. And BOINC asks you to enter a your password at times. It might be that AVG thinks the BOINC manager is scamming you.
376) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 cuda23 WUs getting ERR_TOO_MANY_EXITS (Message 1383240)
Posted 21 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm ready to try anything at this point. Unfortunately I think we need to wait until we're out of S@H v6 work before we try to replace the v6 cuda apps with something that doesn't have dlls.

I need to convince David of the following

1) if an app gets a file size error or a signature error, BOINC should try to download it again once.

2) BOINC really needs a delete_app_version and a redownload_app_version message to the host.

377) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1383209)
Posted 20 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
For the areas that were skipped (it might be portions of a data file or one of the 14 receivers that got skipped) we're just doing the portions that were skipped.

For the data that wasn't radar blanked with the software blanker we'll have to do it all. (IIRC, there are about 18 months of calendar time in that set).
378) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1383074)
Posted 20 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The first priority will continue to be analyzing new data, including the data from the Green Bank Telescope observations of Kepler planetary systems. (That's what I'm trying to work on this week.)

The second priority is filling in the gaps where some data wasn't processed because older versions of the data splitter tended to quit when they found bad data rather than working around it. We've fixed those problem.

The third priority will be to reanalyze data that was processed before we developed to software radar blanker. That data so contaminated with radar that it's difficult to find non-radar signals in it.

Then, if we aren't being flooded with new data, we might put some of the old tapes on to get autocorrelation and the extra sensitivity that the new polyphase splitter would get us.
379) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Error After two months?? (Message 1382608)
Posted 19 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
OK. I think I've got most of it cleaned up. A credit granter is running to grant credit for all non-validated tasks.

There was a change to the validator in the last 12 hours that may be related to this. The validator no longer considers v6 results valid when they are returned for v7 workunits.
380) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Error After two months?? (Message 1382590)
Posted 19 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Actually it looks like revalidation is making the problem worse. I'm bringing the validators down until I can figure out what's going on.
381) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Error After two months?? (Message 1382587)
Posted 19 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, we had some weirdness today with the validators. Some stuff was getting marked as inconclusive but still getting credit, other this were getting marked as invalid. I'm marking everything that was marked as invalid for revalidation.
382) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1382383)
Posted 18 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The signals we are looking for are a few percent of the noise level in the 2.5MHz band. We're basically looking at the Fourier transform in order to increase the signal to noise ratio for the signal by a factor of 300 or so by confining the signal to a single channel while spreading the noise out over 131072 channels. That's the basic principle. The details are a bit more complicated.
383) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 issues on very old cruncher (Message 1382152)
Posted 17 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I should have known better than to use the FFTW provided dlls, the compiler put in a CMOVE instruction. That means Pentium-Pro is now the minimum for the stock version.

I hate incompatibility, so I may fix it. But it won't be a high priority compared to other fixes.
384) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (Message 1381896)
Posted 16 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I suppose I should make a couple points.

First, "CreditNew" has been implemented at SETI@home for a year now, so this reduction in credit is not due to implementing "CreditNew" since it was implemented ages ago.

Second, how credits are normalized hasn't changed between v6 and v7 under CreditNew. Since our results are mostly stock Windows and CUDA under Windows, those results set the normalization.

Based upon the archives, the S@H 6 windows_intel app was generating an average of 0.00556 credits per elapsed second. The current S@H 7 windows_intel app is generating 0.00514 credits per elapsed second, or about 7% less. Astropulse 6 is currently generating 0.00491 credits per elapsed second or about 12% less than S@H v6. I'm hoping the Astropulse issue is resolving itself. (It appears to be slowly coming back to normal.)

There aren't a whole lot of knobs I can turn to get that 7% back. I've bumped the estimated GPU efficiency by 20% in hopes that that would help, but thus far I haven't seen a change. I'm going to try increasing the workunit work estimates slowly, but I think that change will get normalized out.

Yes, there are projects that offer more credit. A number of projects have chosen to detach their credits from any measure of actual processing, usually by pretending they are getting 100% efficiency out of GPUs. I fought that battle for years, and lost. Those projects have entirely devalued the BOINC credit system.
385) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1381180)
Posted 14 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Ramon,

Haven't had a chance to deal with my PMs recently. I'll look into it.

Thanks,

Eric
386) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1380709)
Posted 13 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
My C-128 has both composite and high resolution RGBI and twice the memory and twice the speed in 128 mode. And an extra-Z80 processor so I can run CP/M apps.
:P

I'm still working on porting SETI@home to it.
387) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1380357)
Posted 12 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The source has always been available. Just check it out in SVN using https://setisvn.ssl.berkeley.edu/svn/seti_boinc for the stock version
https://setisvn.ssl.berkeley.edu/svn/branches/sah_v7_opt for optimized and GPU versions.
388) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1380129)
Posted 12 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Wouldn't it be easier to simply release a version of S@H that has it's sensitivity cranked up to the limits of the sensitivity of Arecibo, rather than ratcheting it up every couple years?


In most cases we can alter the signal threshold by changing parameters in the work unit without releasing a new version. For example, we could do the autocorrelation out to 100Hz/s or change the autocorrelation detection threshold without releasing a new version. That sort of change wasn't possible for a lot of parameters in the early versions of SETI@home.

Most of the recent versions have been to add new analyses and signal types (pulses, triplets, autocorrelation) or to change how the analysis is done (optimizations for specific instruction sets and bug fixes for problems that reduced our sensitivity) or to add new types of applications (GPU, android). In the cases where a new version improved sensitivity it's probably because there was a bug in the way we were performing the analysis.

But the real reason that changes to the science take a couple years rather than a couple months is manpower related. Even simple changes like autocorrelation take long time for me to test and deploy because I can't devote a large fraction of my time to it.

There is a sensitivity boost we got recently by changing the data splitter on the server side to use a different algorithm to generate the workunits. Nobody expect the people who watch the server status page probably noticed the change.

We are close to the limits of what Arecibo can provide for us with this data recorder. There's really only a couple knobs left to turn. In theory, I was considering those knobs when I was writing SETI@home enhanced and no changes should be required if those knobs are turned. But if I made a mistake, we may never turn them. By the time I got it fixed we might have a new and better data recorder (cough, SERENDIP VI, cough) capable of recording much wider bandwidth on every receiver Arecibo and GBT have. But that's a different story.
389) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1380126)
Posted 12 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sometime ago Matt said that the run time the work units was going to be extended. I have noticed the average work unit on my 660 TI is running around 18 minutes was was this the intention with version 7 or was this a pleasant side-effect, are there still claims to pack more than one job into a task?


Hi Speedy,

There used to be a four processor DEC VAX-6000 with that name at the University of Wisconsin. It was impressively fast in 1988, but most peoples' cell phones could probably outrun it now. :)

The longer run time is a side effect of the autocorrelation. The longer term plan was to increase the size of workunits to keep the number of request on our server down to a reasonable value. The move to the colocation facility seems to have helped somewhat, so there less pressure to do that at this point.

But when it comes to the Kepler/GBT observations workunits, a larger size and run time is unavoidable. So we are working on that development as rapidly as we can.
390) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1379864)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I have a question, too. How comes that AstroPulse is still on V6?


The version numbers in SETI@home and AstroPulse aren't synchronized either to each other or to BOINC. It's mainly an accident that SETI@home and BOINC have the same major version.

But that does raise the question about why we haven't put autocorrelation in AstroPulse. It's not that I haven't thought about it, it's that I haven't finished thinking about it. A signal from an extraterrestrial civilization is chirped by accelerations, dispersed by interstellar gas and then chirped again by the Earth's accelerations. In SETI@home the signals are so narrow that the chirps are additive and the dispersion is essentially zero. For astropulse the signals are so wide that the chirping doesn't matter. For autocorrelation you don't really know how wide the signal is so you need to dedisperse and dechirp, which means you need to do N times as much work, where N is the number of Doppler drift rates you compute. So I need to think about whether its possible to get N down to a manageable number.
391) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1379637)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Good question, and good observing.

The autocorrelation runs throughout the processing, whenever we are working at the finest spectral resolution (0.075 Hz which is an FFT length of 128k points.) Those transforms are not performed at every Doppler drift rate, but are concentrated on the low Doppler drift rate. (<30 Hz/s) So that does result in increased processing for the first third of the result. In theory the progress bar is supposed to be adjusted for that, but the adjustment isn't nearly as good as it could be.

That's what we do for now anyway. Depending on how clean the results are of interference, we may expand them to cover the full range. But we don't want to do that until we're sure the probably less interesting results won't swamp the more interesting ones.
392) Message boards : News : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1379603)
Posted 10 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dr. Korpela has posted his promised summary of what is new in SETI@home v7.
393) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What's new about SETI@home v7 (Message 1379579)
Posted 10 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The easy things to describe are things to describe are the (conceptually, if not effort wise) small changes.

SETI@home v7 now supports the AVX instruction set used on Intel Sandybridge and later processors. That gives a significant speedup on those processors. For GPUs SETI@home enhanced used to support 3 different versions of CUDA, CUDA 2.2, CUDA 2.3, and CUDA 3, which we called cuda_fermi, because it was the only version that would run on Fermi and later GPUs. Now we have 5 versions for NVIDIA GPUs (CUDA 2.2, CUDA 2.3, CUDA 3.2, CUDA 4.2 and CUDA 5.0) under windows, two versions for AMD/ATI GPUs under windows, and two versions for AMD/ATI GPUs under linux.

Don't be surprised if you get more than one of these early on. We can tell that CUDA 2.2 and 2.3 won't run on Fermi and later cards, but we can't tell, for example, if CUDA 3.2 will be faster than CUDA 4.2 on your card. So we'll be sending you some of each in order to see which is faster. The server was supposed to be doing this all along, but there was a bug in it that I only discovered a few weeks ago. If you think the server is behaving incorrectly, let me know. There may be further bugs to squash.

The big deal, and it is a big deal, is something known as autocorrelation. Now autocorrelation isn't a new thing. It's been in the radio astronomer's tool box for a long time. In fact the original SERENDIP was an analog autocorrelator. What's different is the way we're using it.

Autocorrelation is different than the standard FFT in that the FFT looks for sine waves. That makes it great for looking for signals that have very narrow bandwidth, because anything with narrow bandwidth looks like a sine wave. But once you put information into a transmission, its bandwidth gets wider and it looks less like a sine wave. The more information you add, the wider the bandwidth and harder it is to detect using an FFT.

Autocorrelation, on the other hand, looks for anything that looks like itself. I know that doesn't make a lot of sense at first glance because everything looks like itself. And an autocorrelation will tell you that if you didn't already know it. But it will also tell you if the same signal waveform shows up half a second later.

Why is that important? One way an ET civilization could send a signal that contains information, but is still easily detectable would be to send a signal, and then send exactly the same signal delayed by a small amount of time (say half a second). You could pack in a lot of information, and the signal would still be easily detected using autocorrelation. Theoretically, its nearly as sensitive to wide band signals as the FFT is to narrow band signals, and it only uses a little bit more than twice the computation.

No, this wasn't my idea, although I wish it was. Autocorrelation was brought back to the forefront of our minds by Gerry Harp, the current Director of SETI at the SETI Institute.
394) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1378705)
Posted 8 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
In that case it must be preventing the BOINC core client from running. There have been reports of AVG recognizing boinc.exe (7.0.64) as a virus as well, but that should have happened when boinc was first run.
395) Message boards : Number crunching : What has your RAC done......since..... (Message 1378218)
Posted 7 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The fall in credit was most definitely not deliberate. I wouldn't even know how to cause such a thing using the BOINC credit new. I had assumed it was a case of "fast machines report results first" which usually drives the granted credit to low values when a new version is released, but there should have been ample time for that to fix itself.

Of course the corollary is that I haven't figured out how to fix it yet.

My RAC has gone down by less than 10%. Is this worse for people using anonymous platform?
396) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1375124)
Posted 2 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Maybe the admins could adjust something for to prevent this?


The change to prevent this went in yesterday. Let me know if its still happening.
397) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1375122)
Posted 2 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Could be a bad/overheating card or bad driver. My bigger concern is why the daily quotas are being reduced when the invalid results are found. That needs to be fixed.

Please do Not 'fix' this.
Computers that spit invalid results have to be punished somehow.
Else they will do that for 1000s of tasks per day.


Sorry, typo, that should have said "aren't being reduced". Despite all the bad results that computer is still getting 100 results per day per app version.
398) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1375042)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
06/01/2013 3:33:04 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
06/01/2013 3:33:04 PM | SETI@home | Not requesting tasks
06/01/2013 3:33:06 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed


That's either a bug in BOINC, or some really confusing messages from BOINC about what it's attempting to do.
399) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1375036)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Apparently ClamAV doesn't allow submission of a false detection report for PUAs because ClamAV doesn't consider PUA detections to be virus detections.

400) Message boards : Number crunching : V7 Only "Paying" Half of What Seti Enhanced Did ? (Message 1375011)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I reset the astropulse app stats and app_version stats, and ran my credit granting script. Hopefully the combination will clear things up.
401) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1374993)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The only 'red' is from ClamAV - PUA.Win32.Packer.UpxProtector


PUA stands for "Potentially Unwanted Application", which means that ClamAV has decided the only use for compressed executables is for "bad things". ClamAV could decompress them and scan the decompressed executable for viruses like nearly every other virus scanner does. I will suggest that to them.
402) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1374877)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Jeff was unreachable, and I didn't know the magic incantations that would open a service ticket at the colo. I do now.
403) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1374874)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
When i checked last night i couldnt get to this site, now i cant get any work units,only units running are on my gpu.


Our racks at the colo lost their internet connection for several hours. We're trying to figure out why.
404) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1374871)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric said he'd post some details on the differences with the new app back on Thursday. I guess he didn't get around to doing it


Yeah, should have done it first. Spending too much time putting out the fires v7 started. Hopefully today I'll get to it.
405) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1374870)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Only errors: hostid=6598140.

What is here the problem?


Could be a bad/overheating card or bad driver. My bigger concern is why the daily quotas are being reduced when the invalid results are found. That needs to be fixed.
406) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1374594)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I haven't seen any problems. It's probably because your app_info.xml for your anonymous platform use doesn't contain any applications for setiathome v7.
407) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1374417)
Posted 31 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The circumstances under which the alert is triggered are becoming more clear. It seems to only happen with the "resident shield" component, and only with specific versions of AVG 2012 and AVG 2013, possibly only the paid version.

If anyone has contrary info please let me know.
408) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373980)
Posted 31 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Resident Shield in AVG 2012 identifies boinc.exe as a virus. I have seen it only on one computer with 2012 as of yet. Log follows.


Yes, that's looks like a misidentification of the UPX compression method as a virus, probably because the in-memory image doesn't match the file on disk. I've contacted AVG. Hopefully they'll respond.
409) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373917)
Posted 31 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If it's like 2012, open the AVG interface, select AntiVirus and then click manage exceptions. Add your BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu directory to the list of exceptions. That directory will probably either be C:\Program Data\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu or C:\Users\YourUsername\Program Data\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu

There also may be a way to mark programs as exception from the quarrantine list, but I don't have a way to check that.
410) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373895)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I have Trend Virus scan the best there is!!


Never tried it. I was only talking about the false positives from their FakeAV detector.
411) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373820)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I wonder if it's only a problem when it scans the in memory copy when it is running. And if the exceptions list is based on the in memory footprint, it may be excepted. Does the original fail to scan on your AVG13?

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setiathome_7.00_windows_intelx86.exe
412) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373803)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Same problem with trendmicro Fake Antivirus (FakeAV) Removal Tool.


Trend FakeAV reports about valid 20 programs on my system as "RogueAV" including BOINC, the NVIDIA tray utility, the UPS monitor, the Trend FakeAV Removal Tool, and the drivers for my camera. It seems that just about anything that runs as a console program in the background or has a tray icon gets reported. And it always hangs hard before completing its scans. After attemting to run it a few times, I decided I can safely ignore its detections as entirely false positives. I'm surprised there hasn't been a class action suit by software publishers against Trendmicro.
413) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373753)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We'll be turning off coral caching in a day or two, so that problem will go away in a short time.
414) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373747)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
How about http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/download/setiathome_7.00_windows_intelx86_unpacked.exe?coral-no-serve
415) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373729)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That's weird. I'm able to get them both from home. It's probably the coral cache problem. Try http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu.nyud.net/beta/download/setiathome_7.00_windows_intelx86_unpacked.exe directly.
416) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373722)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Symantec Endpoint Protection 11 and AVG 2012 find no problems, both with heuristics on.
417) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373693)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you're willing, could you please download http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/download/setiathome_7.00_windows_intelx86_unpacked.exe
and scan it with your virus scanner to see if it reports a problem with the uncompressed file?

And if that checks out, try to scan a recompressed version, just to be sure. http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/download/setiathome_7.00_windows_intelx86_repacked.exe
418) Message boards : News : AVG 2013 virus scanner false positive on SETI@home 7 for Windows (Message 1373641)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The AVG virus scanner heuristic virus detection method reports a false positive for SETI@home version 7.00 on windows. This alert doesn't not indicate an infection with a known virus, but indicates that the application contains code that the virus scanner considers to be suspicious. AVG 2012 apparently does not report any issues.

We believe that this alert is related to the method we used to compress the executable in order to save network bandwidth. We are examining how we can resolve the problem. Until then the best strategy is to click "cancel" or "ignore" to the AVG warnings.
419) Message boards : News : SETI@home Version 7 has been released (Message 1373202)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Your BOINC client should automatically download it in the next few days. No need to abort any current work you are doing.

We've released versions for Windows, MacOS and Linux, and four versions for NVIDIA graphics cards running under windows, and versions for ATI graphics card running under Windows and Linux.

My thanks to the KWSN/lunatics folks for getting this done and especially to Raistmer, Jason, Josef, Urs, Claggy, Mike, Richard, and too many beta testers to name.

Tomorrow I'll post explaining why we wanted version 7 and what's different about the analysis it does.
420) Message boards : Number crunching : Now that v7 has rolled out.......... (Message 1373198)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Now that the servers are down at the colo, I can't even hear them crash.
421) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Prepare for the weeping and wailing of single women everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Message 1372532)
Posted 27 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I can't decide whether to post Love and Marriage or Another One Bites The Dust.

Much happiness to you both!
422) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Angela's Birthday Pun Thread!!! (Message 1371360)
Posted 24 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

It's the love of my life's Birthday, and so I'm going to SWEEP her away from here. She has a LAUNDRY list of places she wants to go, but I want someplace nobody will find us. Like the VACUUM of space.

I'm sure I'll be able to COOK something up.
423) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Astropulse ATI not stopping on PC use (Message 1366046)
Posted 9 May 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think we've found the bug.
424) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW - #184 Of coprolites and rotating blades.... (Message 1360926)
Posted 25 Apr 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Only the chanting on a bulbous matron can signify completion.
425) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Gardening 2013 Thread (Message 1354552)
Posted 8 Apr 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Moniker. Wasn't that one of the characters on "Friends?"
426) Questions and Answers : Windows : The problem about donating (Message 1350990)
Posted 26 Mar 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You should be able to use a VISA virtual card through the normal SETI@home donation page. Click on the link for making a Credit Card donation. Please let me know if you have any difficulties and I will try to get the University to fix the problems.

Thanks for supporting SETI@home.
427) Message boards : Number crunching : How low can you go? (Message 1337635)
Posted 13 Feb 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I didn't get around to fixing Angela's computer this weekend. But it's her fault.

I transfered 10 of my RAC to her account so she can post and hooked her account up to one of my computers at work. Maybe she'll let me fix her computer this weekend.
428) Message boards : Number crunching : How low can you go? (Message 1333077)
Posted 31 Jan 2013 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Should it disturb me that all these men are talking about my wife's RAC?
429) Message boards : News : Scheduler is back up... (Message 1311130)
Posted 28 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Problems with timeouts will continue to occur, but less frequently, we hope.
430) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Trash Talking - Football (Message 1310934)
Posted 28 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


I am Cornhuskio! I need TP for my cornhole!



431) Message boards : News : SETI@home scheduler is down until further notice. (Message 1309393)
Posted 23 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Scheduler crashes have continued, so we'll be down until we've isolated and solved the problem.
432) Message boards : News : Scheduler crashed. (Message 1309124)
Posted 23 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, my flexibility apparently didn't get us more than a few hours of uptime. Hopefully we'll have some tech help at the lab tomorrow (although since it is a University holiday, I'm not sure that we will.)
433) Message boards : News : We are thankful for.... (Message 1309010)
Posted 22 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're thankful for you, our volunteers, who continue to donate your time, computers and money to keep SETI@home up and running and improving.

434) Message boards : News : Scheduler crashed. (Message 1309009)
Posted 22 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, it's back up partially. Something upstream is restricting connections, and we'll need lab network support people to figure it out.

Fortunately, our Thanksgiving party doesn't start until 4:30pm, so I'm not missing anything but football.

435) Message boards : News : Scheduler crashed. (Message 1308838)
Posted 22 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The scheduler will be down until someone can get to the lab to reboot it. I'll try to convince Angela to let me go in once the turkey is in the oven.
436) Message boards : News : Continued server problems. (Message 1308837)
Posted 22 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Good idea. Thanks!
437) Questions and Answers : Unix/Linux : SETI@Home Enhanced on Raspberry Pi using Archlinux (Message 1308479)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

14:37:09 (23461): No heartbeat from client for 30 sec - exiting


I think I will stick with these versions and see if I can work out this heartbeat issue...

Any active developers out there that can provide any guidance?


That might mean that the client is getting stuck in the section that benchmarks the science routines. The default choice of timer might not be working for you. If ARM supports a cycle counter you can add the code to client/vector/hires_timer.{cpp,h}
438) Questions and Answers : Unix/Linux : SETI@Home Enhanced on Raspberry Pi using Archlinux (Message 1308470)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


I managed to run it manually in the slot with GDB. Error:

Starting program: /var/lib/boinc/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/setiathome_enhanced
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/usr/lib/libthread_db.so.1".

Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.
0x401c2c80 in _armv7_neon_probe () from /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0



One thing to watch for when using GDB is that signals will be caught by GDB even if there is a signal handler in place. It's common practice to install a signal handler for SIGILL and the execute an instruction to see if it is supported. FFTW uses this method and SETI@home uses this method.

Outside of GDB the signal will be caught if it is raised and then the routines that use the illegal instruction will be avoided. Inside GDB the signal will be caught by GDB by default. If you just continue from this point, it may work. The other option is to tell GDB not to catch SIGILL.
439) Message boards : News : Continued server problems. (Message 1307567)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're continuing to have issues due to a database problem early last week and a botched attempt to fix it.

The problem is that the result and host tables in the database have grown large enough, and hosts have gotten fast enough that the lookup of result in process for a host and the enumeration of new results to send don't finish before the web connection times out either on the server or the client side. This resulted in hosts being assigned large number or results to compute without the transaction that tells them about these results being completed. The host. think it received no results would then contact the server for more results, which it would again not receive.

This isn't a hardware problem. The database currently fits in memory and the processors are fast. We've just crossed a threshold where each host computes fast enough that host queues and the result table have become large enough to cause this problem. To solve it, we've put per host limits on results in process back in place. But hosts that are having this problem will probably continue to have it until the average number of results per host has fallen to a workable level. That could take weeks.

For a more permanent fix, we plan do more work in each result by quadrupling the size of the workunits. But that fix will probably take months to implement and test.
440) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI Hardware Fundraisers (With Big News Inside) (Message 1305941)
Posted 14 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'd far prefer to see the establishment of an endowment fund that would fund the post for an extended period (minimum five years), or in perpetuity from investment income.


We would love to see an endowment capable of funding the whole program or even providing a single income. We have had term endowments in the past in the $10K-$30K range with 2 or 3 year terms to pay for operations of specific projects. To pay for a person is another scale entirely... a just out of school junior programmer with salary and benefits really does run close to $100K even in the current job market.

Pulling out my trusty slide rule you wanted to pay for that for 5 years, with a 2% annual COLA and no promotions (which is unreasonable, a new programmer would get a promotion every 2 years or get fired) that's $520K, the endowment to achieve that would need to about about $480K (assuming it could earn 4% annually)

A perpetual endowment usually has different assumptions and can achieve higher growth, but we could assume the instantaneous payout of $100K is equal to a 4% growth and which means it would need to be at least $2.5M. And to run the whole project in perpetuity $10M-$15M would be the target vicinity.

Sounds like a lot until you realize that people spent $4B on the last election. Anyone know any multi-million dollar superPAC contributors? Of course people who contribute millions of dollars to superPACs probably expect a return on their investment. (In case I didn't the sarcasm obvious enough, I think $2.5M is a hell of a lot of money.)
441) Message boards : Politics : Paula Broadhips & General GoldPeneTraitorUs (Message 1305707)
Posted 13 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If such a biographer is ever assigned to Eric, I shall attend every interview!!!


Oooooohhh, kinky!
442) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beets Give Us A Caption #48 (Message 1300859)
Posted 1 Nov 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And the winner is John McLeod with "I asked how many nybbles in a byte. I did not ask for a demonstration."

First runner up is Carlos with "Guess the cake wasn't good enough."

Second runner up is Julie with "What to expect when you go trick or treating at the Korpela's"

Thanks for playing!
443) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beets Give Us A Caption #48 (Message 1300616)
Posted 31 Oct 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry for the delay. This one was by request.

444) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1297100)
Posted 20 Oct 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
When Angela came upstairs, I could tell she lost. She was looking kind of FROSTY. Apparently her attempts to HAMM it up didn't go over too well. I'm sure she had fun punning with her BUDs anyway, and I'm sure she's not BITTER about it.

Anyway, what's PABST is Pabst. I'm sure she'll be BOCK to her old form in no time. Sorry I couldn't take part, I was upstairs reading the MILLER's tale to help a niece with a book report.

Stay thirsty my friends.
445) Message boards : News : SETI@home annual fund raising campaign has started (Message 1294383)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've started out annual fund raising campaign. If you haven't gotten an announcement in your email, you can find your letter here. Thanks in advance for your help keeping SETI@home going!
446) Message boards : Cafe SETI : My choice for sexiest woman alive (Message 1293389)
Posted 10 Oct 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This looks like a contest for amateurs, so I won't enter Angela because she is a professional.

Umm... let me rephrase that.
447) Message boards : News : Weekend Fundraising Challenge-Completed (Message 1291899)
Posted 6 Oct 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
SETI@home volunteer Mr. Kevvy has started a Weekend Fundraising Challenge to raise money for disks we need to transport data from Green Bank Observatory.
448) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (77) Server Problems? (Message 1291067)
Posted 4 Oct 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're not seeing significantly more upload failures on the server side than usual from what I can tell. 20 to 30 successful uploads per second. Are there any geographic or ISP similarities for people who are having problems?
449) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XV - All Are Welcome In the Critter Cafe (Message 1289146)
Posted 29 Sep 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I can haz cornhuskers!
450) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Talk like a pirate day (Message 1285735)
Posted 20 Sep 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hittin'? I be drinkin' lassie.
451) Message boards : News : New AstroPulse applications for GPUs. (Message 1281031)
Posted 7 Sep 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Since there can only be about 3% as many Astropulse workunits as SETI@home workunits, it's had to catch very many. Astropulse also splits really fast compared to SETI@home. Check the server status page to see if any is actively being split. Once data files are listed as "done" it's less likely that you will get any.
452) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1277923)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Given the results, it could be a bad fan or a clogged heat sink on the processor. Before you toss it or swap the PSU, look for dust, make sure the fans are turning, and check that the CPU heat sink is properly seated. Those plastic push pin style heat sink legs will sometimes let go.
453) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1277586)
Posted 30 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you know a Mac developer that wants to do the port, all you need do is have him contact me.

Until that point, I'm one person with very limited time.
454) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275182)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I really am going to have to concede. Congratulations dear, you've the big winner .
455) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275180)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Will in the view from the Korpela COMPOUND EYE see little chance of finding many more.
456) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275178)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, I'm running out of puns. You MAGGOT the win unless I find some more.
457) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275175)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I taught here everything I know about puns. I'm her teacher and she's my best PUPA.
458) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275173)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dear, your COCOONS are out the the back yard looking for grapes.
459) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275170)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Don't worry, everyone. I didn't drink it because I SPIDER putting something in it.
460) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275168)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
At this point I think you used all of the puns you had aRAID against me.
461) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275165)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You and whose ARMY (ants)?
462) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275162)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
ANTENNA you and a couple of your friends might be able to beat me...
463) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275159)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And once I've won I'll just drink a GRASSHOPPER while relaxing under the PALMETTOs.
464) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275151)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Doesn't matter. When the month is over I will be MONARCH of this realm.
465) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275147)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Watch out. I've got an itchy CHIGGER finger.
466) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275145)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I ANT LION when I say I'm winning.
467) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275142)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
GNATurally, you have difficulties coming up with more.
468) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275139)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Don't try your DAMSELFLY in distress routine. It doesn't work on me.
469) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275136)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
TICK tock TICK tock. Your time as pun queen is limited.
470) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275134)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've been ITCHING to beat you in a pun war for some time.
471) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275132)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Any day with you is a virtual PARASITE on Earth.
472) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275130)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Feel free to FLEA.
473) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275125)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I never met a nit I didn't pick.
474) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275122)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
There are two apostrophes in di'n't.
475) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 23 (Message 1275111)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I let you demonstrate humility on a daily basis. I think that's all I need to know.
476) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1274461)
Posted 23 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm looking for this in the logs now. This is probably an artifact of the way are BOINC 6 OpenCL kludge is implemented...

Not sure where to post this problem:

8/23/2012 7:02:57 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
8/23/2012 7:02:57 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI
8/23/2012 7:02:58 AM | | App version needs OpenCL but GPU doesn't support it
8/23/2012 7:02:58 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
8/23/2012 7:02:58 AM | SETI@home | Resent lost task ap_24mr10ac_B6_P0_00269_20120701_03541.wu_3
8/23/2012 7:02:58 AM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available
8/23/2012 7:02:58 AM | SETI@home | [error] App version uses non-existent ATI GPU
8/23/2012 7:02:58 AM | SETI@home | [error] Missing coprocessor for task ap_24mr10ac_B6_P0_00269_20120701_03541.wu_3; aborting

I'm not receiving tasks?
I'm running 7.0.28 (x86) Am I doing something wrong?

477) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1274108)
Posted 22 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The NVIDIA version for BOINC v7+ is out. The v6 version will probably go out on Monday.
478) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : 10 facts (Message 1273812)
Posted 22 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've heard the earthworm or a another non-human animal used as a foil to the prior one. In the political arena it's supposed to indicate that not every beating heart is of equal value. The earthworm might disagree... ;)
479) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1273611)
Posted 21 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That's probably true. But we'd need more than four part time employees. A budget of 1.5 million dollars a year would help a lot towards getting 97% uptime. We'd really like a time machine to allow us to go back and put more effort into convincing the State of California that saving money by forcing the people who understood the campus power system to take early retirement was a bad idea.

Unfortunately none of those things is going to happen, unless you happen to have a billionaire in your pocket. Uptime costs money, salaries cost money, network bandwidth costs money. We don't have money. It's amazing what you can do without money, but it's equally amazing what you can't do.
480) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1272419)
Posted 18 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Good! A check of the server logs also shows that the VLAR prevention mechanism should be in place.
481) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : 10 facts (Message 1272352)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
After too many months of too much work and no spare time, the power is out, and now I have time to blog. Ah, the life of a scientist. We typically have more ideas than time. So for this blog entry, I'm making it quick. I'm just going to list 10 facts and let you figure out what it's about until I get to the end:

  • The surface of the Earth is warming, primarily due to increases in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere prompted by human use of fossil fuels.

  • Natural gas is the least expensive means of generating gigawatts of electrical power.

  • Nuclear energy is the safest way to generate gigawatts of electrical power.

  • Last year, side effects from use of coal as a power source killed more people worldwide than terrorism.

  • You and bacterium Treponema pallidum share a common ancestor. That ancestor lived more than 1.7 billion years ago.

  • The sounds emitted by the heartbeat of a human fetus can be detected at 7 weeks.

  • The sounds emitted by the multiple hearts of an earthworm can be detected at 6 weeks.

  • The region of space we call "the universe" was the result of a rapid expansion of space that started between 13.4 and 14.1 billion years ago.

  • The Earth is between 4.39 and 4.69 billion years old.

  • Humans will become extinct.


So are you annoyed? I admit it, I did try to go out of my way to find facts that would annoy people. These aren't even controversial facts. I've expanded the error bounds to the 3-sigma level. None of these even approaches the "OJ is guilty" or "tax cuts/increases have a predictable effect on the economy" level of uncertainty. Even though these are facts, many of them are facts that get used or denied for political purposes. And because it's an election year in the U.S.A., we tend to assume that any statement is a political statement. Every fact is a fact with a hidden agenda. And most are beside the point.

Politics are so polarized that even admitting to a fact is assumed to be a capitulation to the entire agenda of a political party. The alternative is denial of the facts, which is not something I'd recommend. Can't we agree on the facts first, and then talk about what, if anything, should be done about them?

The final fact is just there to put it all into perspective.

482) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1272335)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Damn, now the vlars are broke again?
483) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1272161)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've installed a fix from David Anderson that we hope will solve the problem. If you have a BOINC version 7 client, the problem never affected you, and you can stop reading this now.

If you use BOINC version 6, you are probably affected. The fix we installed will not fix workunits that have already been downloaded. For that, you've got four options. 1) Abort all your CUDA tasks. 2) Upgrade to BOINC v7 or 3) Exit BOINC, edit your client_state.xml to replace all the occurrences of "<type>NVIDIA</type>" with "<type>CUDA</type>" or 4) Just let it run and deal with a few reboots.
484) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1272118)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Do the multiple workunits use some same resource of the GPU or interfere in some other way?


The main problem is that the BOINC client, depending upon the relative speed of your GPU and CPU, could decide to run as many as 10 GPU apps per CPU core simultaneously. If you've got 4 CPU cores, that's 40 GPU apps running at once. So no, we're not talking about running 2 or even 4 apps simultaneously on the GPU.

The possible results, in order of severity, could be: 1) The apps error out when the GPU runs out of memory. 2) Your GPU driver freezes causes a reboot every time BOINC tries to run the apps. 3) Your GPU overheats and causes a reboot every time BOINC tries to run the apps.
485) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1271871)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've identified a bug in the current BOINC server that is online at SETI@home. With older BOINC clients this bug results in running multiple SETI@home GPU applications simultaneously on a single GPU.

While we debug and fix the problem we've suspended distribution of NVIDIA work. We hope that everything will be back to normal some time tomorrow.
486) Message boards : Number crunching : I am getting errors from my GPU-tasks. Is CUDA to blame? (Message 1271822)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
There's a bug in the current scheduler. Whereas prior schedulers reported "CUDA" as the coprocessor for NVIDIA GPU tasks, the current scheduler suddenly reports "NVIDIA." So your machine thinks all it needs for the task is a fraction of a CPU and no GPU because 6.X clients won't recognize one NVIDIA coprocessor as the equivalent of one CUDA coprocessor.

I've contacted David and Rom trying to find out when this change happened and which BOINC clients need CUDA rather than NVIDIA and what we should do about it.

Until then I've deprecated all CUDA apps.
487) Message boards : News : Recovering from power outage. (Message 1271634)
Posted 16 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're slowly recovering from the power outage. The main BOINC database was performing poorly at first for an unknown reason. We'll be monitoring it as the recovery continues.
488) Message boards : News : New AstroPulse applications for GPUs. (Message 1271129)
Posted 13 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Astropulse 6.04 for ATI/AMD OpenCL on BOINC 6.XX has been released.
489) Message boards : News : New AstroPulse applications for GPUs. (Message 1269631)
Posted 9 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
My company has upgraded some research hardware and has given me a Tesla C1060 unit. I was wondering if I can use it to process SETI@home and Eistein@home data. Any thoughts?


If you attach it to SETI@home and it's running on Windows is should get SETI@home work for the GPU immediately and AstroPulse GPU work as soon as I release those versions.
490) Message boards : News : New AstroPulse applications for GPUs. (Message 1269090)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If we're already using the Open CL from the optimizers, should we stick with this?


If you're using the optimizer's version you can stick with it. They may have something newer than what I just released.
491) Message boards : News : New AstroPulse applications for GPUs. (Message 1268860)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I notice some people got download errors on the file "AstroPulse_Kernels_r1316.cl" I don't see any errors in the web logs on our download servers, and most people seem to be downloading successfully. I'm hoping it's a glitch that has only happened for the first few results.
492) Message boards : News : New AstroPulse applications for GPUs. (Message 1268857)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've released the first of four new AstroPulse Windows applications for ATI/AMD Graphics Processing Units that support the OpenCL language. If you've got an one of these GPUs you may be able to process AstroPulse results 15x faster than your CPU alone. If your computer supports a version, it should get it automatically.

The first release supports ATI GPUs on BOINC 7.0.25 or later. The second release (probably next tuesday) will support ATI GPUs on BOINC versions prior to 7.0.25.
The final two version will be for NVIDIA GPUs. (Until then NVIDIA GPUs will have to satisfy themselves with SETI@home results).

Thanks to the optimizers at KWSN and the folk at the beta project for helping me get this out.
493) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric!!! (Message 1255287)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm sure the people behind us were honking out "She is very cautious" in Morse code.
494) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric!!! (Message 1255282)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thank you everyone for the birthday wishes! I was a good day even though I spent most of it at work. It was a scary day because Angela decreed herself designated driver after I had a Manhattan, a glass of Nebiolo and a glass of port. I have never been so sober in all my life as I was in that back seat.

"What does green mean again?"

495) Message boards : News : Alien computer viruses? (Message 1252673)
Posted 28 Jun 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Berkeley SETI PhD candidate Andrew Siemion talks about why your computer won't be getting an alien virus in this article on io9.com.
496) Message boards : News : Donate to SETI@home, get discounts on telescopes and more (Message 1251346)
Posted 25 Jun 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Is it possible you have the wrong company? Optics Planet is based outside Chicago and ships from a warehouse in Northbrook, IL.

It's got an A+ BBB rating, 91% positive on amazon.com and 4 checks on epinions.com, and like most internet companies all the reviews seem to be either 5 check or 1 check reviews with a few in between. Most people seem to have had good experiences, but some have had bad experiences, which seems typical for an internet retailer.
497) Message boards : News : Donate to SETI@home, get discounts on telescopes and more (Message 1250050)
Posted 22 Jun 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've teamed up with OpticsPlanet to create a fundraiser where you can support SETI@home while getting great deals on telescopes, astronomy gear, sunglasses & prescription eyewear and much more! Check it out here at the SETI@home coupon store.
498) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XIII - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1248212)
Posted 19 Jun 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Did somebody say booze cruise?

499) Message boards : News : Major Power Outage at SSL (Message 1239166)
Posted 31 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It turns out that there are two mechanisms for sending "Notices" to the BOINC client. Apparently one of them has stopped working, or never worked for us. I've enabled the other mechanism. Next time your BOINC client gets an update from SETI@home you'll see some old messages. If we fix the broken mechanism you might start seeing double messages, at which point I'll disable one.
500) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday CRL (aka Angela aka Pun Queen)! (Message 1236831)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This thread is going nosewhere fast.
501) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday CRL (aka Angela aka Pun Queen)! (Message 1236737)
Posted 25 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I thought you didn't want me to post any pictures of you on top.
502) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday CRL (aka Angela aka Pun Queen)! (Message 1236720)
Posted 25 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Is that the one?
503) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday CRL (aka Angela aka Pun Queen)! (Message 1236016)
Posted 24 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Crazy Raccoon Lady
504) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday CRL (aka Angela aka Pun Queen)! (Message 1235986)
Posted 24 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


May your wishes come true!
505) Message boards : Number crunching : Internal server error... (Message 1234568)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've got some ideas where the problem might be. I'll start digging.
506) Message boards : Cafe SETI : HAPPY STARWARS DAY (Message 1231310)
Posted 13 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The stormtrooper shuffle
507) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XII - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1227281)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
For all the cat lovers out there. Here's a new type of treat your cat may enjoy.
508) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse v6.02: 16.59 credits for 91.7 hours' processing?! (Message 1226978)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm looking right now at the logs to figure out how that one happened. Both of you had enough normal results that you shouldn't have been requesting such a tiny amount of credit.

Well here's the log segment.
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9158    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162716] raw credit: 79.22 (3422.29 sec, 10.00 est GFLOPS)
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9171    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162716] anon platform, scaling by 0.248142 (0.17/0.67)
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9184    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162716] anon platform, returning 19.66
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9199    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162716] updating HAV PFC 0.02 et 1.87929e-12 turnaround 48582
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9214    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162716] get_pfc() returns credit 19.6577 mode approx
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9227    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162715] raw credit: 196.47 (8487.64 sec, 10.00 est GFLOPS)
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9240    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162715] anon platform, scaling by 3.75974 (0.17/0.04)
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9253    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162715] anon platform, returning 738.69
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9267    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162715] updating HAV PFC 0.05 et 4.66085e-12 turnaround 222419
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9280    [credit] [RESULT#-1872162715] get_pfc() returns credit 738.688 mode approx
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9297    [credit] [WU#982683654] assign_credit_set: credit 19.6577
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9318 [debug]   [HAV#12000004] consecutive valid now 152
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9350    [RESULT#-1872162716 ap_21fe11ad_B3_P0_00194_20120501_26398.wu_0] Valid; granted 19.657693 credit [HOST#1504137]
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9384 [debug]   [HAV#12000003] consecutive valid now 75
2012-05-03 17:22:10.9412    [RESULT#-1872162715 ap_21fe11ad_B3_P0_00194_20120501_26398.wu_1] Valid; granted 19.657693 credit [HOST#5634961]


The print outs are truncated to 32 bit signed numbers so result -1872162716 is 2422804580 and -1872162715 is 2422804581. For some your wingman's anonymous platform numbers credit claims are way off, even though yours are pretty close to spot on. But anonymous vs anonymous always grants the low number. (Another thing I'd like to fix.)
509) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Favorite women of Sci-fi thread (Message 1226091)
Posted 2 May 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Natalie Portman and Kiera Knightley in burkas!!!

Angela has made it clear what type of pictures I'm allowed to look at.

510) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse v6.02: 16.59 credits for 91.7 hours' processing?! (Message 1225404)
Posted 30 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And, unfortunately the low credit granted was due to a host using a new anonymous platform that hadn't worked through its first 10 results to get calibrated and thus was in the "approximate" credit state. For two results in that state, the low claim gets rewarded, so you got credit for 3400 seconds of his CPU. Had you or your wingman been calicrated "normal" credit, it probably would have been about 700 credit.

Another thing I need to fix if I can figure out how and find the time.
511) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse v6.02: 16.59 credits for 91.7 hours' processing?! (Message 1225394)
Posted 30 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
David considers this a feature of the way the scheduler works not a bug, and he didn't like my suggestion of numerical plaform priorities or estimated relative speeds for multiple platforms. There's a way to turn this feature of, but not without causing more problems than it solves on other platforms.

To make a really long story long, the BOINC 6.x Mac client for intel reports that it is capable of running both Intel and PPC apps (which may or may not be true). The BOINC 7.x Mac client only reports that it can run Intel apps because there is no BOINC 7.x Mac PPC client.

When the scheduler gets a request from a BOINC 6.x Mac intel it calculates the relative speed of the intel and ppc and (most of the time) concludes that the intel version is 3x the speed of the PPC version, and so it sends the intel version. But in order to reach that conclusion it occasionally has to send out the PPC version so it can see how fast it is. It does that by adding a random value to the speed of the PPC verion and one out of every few thousand results it will send out the PPC version as a test. I'm in the process of testing a modification to that method on beta which should reduce the number of PPC results sent out to Intel Macs once it becomes clear that the PPC version is slower. This thing will really become important as projects have more VM, emulated, or java apps in addition to native apps.

Till then, if you don't want the PPC work on your Intel machine, about all I can suggest is upgrading to BOINC 7 if you can.

Sorry I wont be able to get a better solution deployed in a rapid fashion.

Eric




512) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What's with the age gap around here? (Message 1219793)
Posted 18 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Oh boy! It's BINGO night!!!


The problem is, you never know what she means by that.
513) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What's with the age gap around here? (Message 1219509)
Posted 17 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Say hey sailor. You wanna get lucky?


The problem is, you never know what she means by that.
514) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What's with the age gap around here? (Message 1219498)
Posted 17 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You'll have to pardon my wife, her Alzheimer's medications make her easily agitated.
515) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : I'm Biased and So Are You (Message 1216942)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks!
516) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : I'm Biased and So Are You (Message 1215354)
Posted 7 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
A month or so ago it was the 18th anniversary of our glorious elopement to beautiful downtown Reno. Every year we try to take a few days to recuperate from our jobs at a hotel within a few hours drive. As always happens, on the 4th day of our trip, I was barely well enough to make the drive home, and I spent the next week in bed. I'm still coughing now and and tomorrow I'll be mentioning it to my doctor.

I have a theory why it happens. Like many people, I am a stress junkie. Caffeine and adrenaline help me power through the work day. I just get more things done when I think the world will end if I don't get everything done. The stress keeps my immune system humming along. If I stop being stressed, I get sick.

There's only one problem with this theory. It's total BS. Wrong. Bogus. And I know it. But part of my brain, somewhere away from my frontal lobe, keeps telling me its true. But my frontal lobe is telling me that I probably have a confirmation bias.

Biases are very important to the sciences. That's primarily that you have to understand them in order to avoid or correct for them. The most famous bias is probably the "selection bias." Suppose you wanted to do a study on a bunch of random stars to see how bright the average star is. If you just went out at night and selected stars you could see that would be a poor choice, because most of those stars are extremely bright, as in thousands to millions of times as bright as the sun. If you did a proper selection of random nearby stars you would see that most stars are much smaller and fainter than the sun. Of course, doing it right is harder. The myth that the sun is an average, or even small, star probably resulted from this sort of biased study. The sun is an average star the way an A student is an average student. Both are brighter than 95 percent of the rest.

Biases of this type are often unavoidable. I've argued that the anthropic principle is a bias resulting from lack of knowledge about lifebearing planets apart from our own, including a lack of knowledge about whether they exist.

Other biases are built into our brains, and we couldn't live without many of them. There are lots of things that you don't want to waste actual thought on. For example, if you're driving and you see a yellow light, your frontal lobe doesn't ponder what's next. You've been biased to believe that a red light will follow a yellow one, and you, me, and everyone else will be totally unprepared for a malfunctioning signal where the light goes green-yellow-green-red repeatedly. When we're young, we're biased to be afraid of non-existent predators in closets or under beds.

Confirmation biases generally result because for reasonably rare events, we remember the events that occurred rather than all the times such events didn't occur. In my case, that would be the conjunction between vacation and getting sick. Do I remember all the vacations I took without getting sick? Of course not. Do I remember all the times I got sick without being on vacation? No. There's some possibility that my theory is right, but in order to decide if it's true I would need to keep detailed records.

Why won't my brain give up on this stupid idea? It's a survival skill. Replace "going on vacation" with "walking under a big tree" and "getting sick" with "being attacked by a leopard." Or similarly "eating smelly antelope meat" and "throwing up for 12 hours." People whose brains don't form that sort of attachment are probably at a disadvantage in an environment with large predators and potentially deadly food.

But it's not all good. Confirmation bias also has societal implications. For example, there's an incredible number of people who think violent crime rates are worse than ever when they've been falling ever since they peaked in the early '90s. A relative of mine said it doesn't matter if they're falling because it doesn't feel like they are. Ignoring contradictory evidence is a form of confirmation bias. Nobody notices a day when there isn't a violent crime in the neighborhood, but everyone notices when there is.

Of course, human beings aren't dumb. There are plenty of them ready to take advantage of your biases, even if you don't know you have them. Politicians, salesmen, advertisers, magicians, talk show hosts, poets, morning show DJs, comedians, that barista that hits on you every morning, medical quacks, home alarm companies, pickpockets, hollywood starlets and lots of other people make at least part of their living by exploiting your biases, some harmlessly, others not so much. Even scientists will use your biases to attempt to get you to click on a random link for no apparent reason.

So what does a scientist do about bias? Well, we need to know we have them and avoid or correct for them, because there's another scientist lurking around the corner waiting to catch your mistake. Publishing a paper explaining why someone else is wrong is one of the best parts of being a scientist and can be very rewarding in terms of publicity. But for the most part scientists are careful to practice "evidence based" science.

Sticking to "evidence based" practice in the rest of my life has worked pretty well. If someone tells me something I want to hear, the first thing I ask myself if why they would lie to me or if there is evidence for what they say. Cynical? Damn straight. I also prefer evidence based medicine, evidence based finances, evidence based politics and evidence based relationships. (That last one took me far too long to learn. Ask any old girlfriend.) Certain people should also stick to evidence based cooking.
517) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1215219)
Posted 7 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We had network problems Thursday night and since then we've been flooded with connection attempts. I just altered some server parameters to prevent clients from holding on to a connection for too long in hope that will help some downloads complete. I was able to get my home downloads done after that.

We've been pegged at our bandwidth limit since we fixed the problem on friday.
518) Message boards : Cafe SETI : He's brilliant, I tell you!!! (Message 1215187)
Posted 7 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If only I were less desirable, Angela would live a less tortured life. Since I've always been this awesome, I'm accustomed to it. Angela's the one who has to put up with it on a daily basis. She deserves our sympathy.
519) Message boards : News : Your chance to be internationally famous. (Message 1214357)
Posted 5 Apr 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The author I mentioned in the previous news item would also like to interview someone outside of the US, hopefully in an interesting location. Again, contact me if you fit the bill.
520) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1211135)
Posted 28 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, beta only. I get confused about where I'm posting.
521) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1210584)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Feel free to abort v7 workunits after the outage tomorrow. I'll try to get the app selection fixed tomorrow during the outage. Before then, if you unselect S@Hv7 and all the astropulse versions, but check allow other apps, you should get APv6 work.
522) Message boards : News : SETI@home and SETILive (Message 1210547)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The NTPCkr has been moved to a new machine with some database changes and the web code hasn't caught up (which is why the date on the page is so old). I'd even say it's still in process of being moved. The first shutdown caught the page is the middle of being regenerated. I should put a notice on the NTPCkr page saying that things won't be right for a while until the move is complete.

Or maybe I can get it to regenerate the page even though the NTPCkr isn't being run on those tables now. It'll still be old data, but it'll at least look like we can count.
523) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1210542)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The MacOS versions are in beta. We don't have a huge number of Macs attached there, so Mac users are encouraged to join.
524) Message boards : News : SETI@home and SETILive (Message 1210370)
Posted 26 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Your computer will detect about 4 "somethings" in almost every chunk of work that we send you. But 99.99999999999% of the time, that will be radio frequency inference (RFI) which are man made signals (cell phones, satellites, radar, ...) or random noise in our receiver or electronics. It sends those results back to Berkeley for more processing.

We've got an program that removes RFI, but it's not perfect. And the random signals are random, so it's hard to figure out which ones are real ETs. So in order to detect an ET we require that a specific signal be seen in the same spot on the sky on different days, but not at different parts of the sky. The program that checks that is the Near Time Persistence Checker (NTPCkr). The folks at the GPU Users Group have been helping us get new machines to speed the process along. Jeff thinks he's got it to the point where we can reanalyze the whole sky every 10 months or so. So the NTPCkr generates a list of the best potential ETs and the RFI remover removes RFI from them, then the NTPCkr runs again to see if it still one of the best ones. Matt is working on something like SETILive, but not quite that will allow you to check out our best candidates and say whether they look good or not. I don't know when that will be up and running. The whole team here is basically 3 or 4 people.

Then when we've got a list we're confident of, we go to Arecibo and reobserve candidates to see if any still show up at the same spot on the sky and the same frequency. If the do, we call someone at another telescope to look at the same place and frequency. If so we break out the Champagne and the Declaration of Principles Concerning Activities Following the Detection of Extraterrestrial Intelligence. And we let the volunteers that participated in the detection know. You might need to attend a press conference or two.
525) Message boards : News : Your chance to be famous. (Message 1209307)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
They may be looking for people involved in other projects. But they would make those requests to the other projects. Nobody would contact me in order to find people who run Einstein@home.
526) Message boards : News : Your chance to be famous. (Message 1209175)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've been contacted by one of the authors of a book/multimedia project called "The Human Face of Big Data." They're looking to interview someone who is heavily involved in SETI@home (lots of computers) and is also participating in SETILive.

If that's you, drop me a line and I'll help you get connected.
527) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1209171)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yeah, I'm still trying to dig up the symptoms for the zero credit bit. I think it was a bad BOINC client version requesting 0 credit for anonymous platform (which always comes in as the low bidder, and so the wingman gets 0 credit, too). But it's possible that it's in the validator somewhere, too. So I'll dig a bit more over the weekend.

Regarding the MacOS version, I have a working powerpc version, but I've run into some snags with the x86 version. I can't even test the powerpc version in beta because people with MacOS 10.5 x86 and earlier will get the powerpc version and will run it in powerpc emulation. The would be bad. I have to release the x86 version first and then I can release powerpc when the correction factors start being applicable.

Then there's GPU versions, but there's only so many hours in the day.
528) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1209167)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The astropulse tasks are no joke. ( 40-50 hours) Compared to the regular 2 hour projects. Although, bring them on.


Back in 1999 we were aiming at 150 hours for the jobs that now take 2 (and do more processing.) When we were starting to do Astropulse, we were aiming for jobs taking a month. Gotta love that Moore's Law.
529) Message boards : News : Huffington Post SETI@home Blog. (Message 1209009)
Posted 22 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I hope to get one out this weekend. I got somewhat distracted by work. It happens.
530) Message boards : News : Huffington Post SETI@home Blog. (Message 1208879)
Posted 22 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That's my feeling too. There have been about 5 people who have written blogs titled "Are we alone?" since the first of the year, so that topic will have to wait.

Thanks for sticking with us for the long haul.
531) Message boards : News : Huffington Post SETI@home Blog. (Message 1208053)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've got an rss feed that works for any thread. For example the feed for this
thread would be:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/rss_thread.php?threadid=66868

It lists the last 9 posts in the thread. I haven't had time to pretty it up, so it displays post times and user IDs as an integer.

You can get an RSS feed of my SETI@home blogs at

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/rss_staff_blog.php?userid=24735

Or my Huffington Post blogs at

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/index.php?author=eric-korpela


532) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1206724)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yeah, that's always been the problem with Astropulse, since it can take days for a result to be computed, and a computer might not start computing it for a week or more sometimes you'll wait weeks for credit. But in your "Recent Average Credit" it should even out eventually.
533) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1206235)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
"grad student code" seemed too mean. ;)
534) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1206218)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We plan that eventually it will support CUDA and OpenCL. Unfortunately Astropulse has lots of twisty turny passages, so I don't expect the speedup will be that huge. It'll probably spend a lot of time using CPU to avoid bogging the GPU down with unproductive stuff.

I'll try to get some Mac builds working next week. It probably won't support graphics when first released, but it will be better than nothing.

535) Message boards : News : SETI@home and SETILive (Message 1205969)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you're wondering about the difference between SETI@home and SETILive, Dr. Korpela has posted the differences here.
536) Message boards : SETI@home Science : What's the difference between SETI@home and SETILive? (Message 1205968)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Since the SETI Institute's new SETILive project launched, I've been getting lots of messages from people confusing the two, and trying to put the SETILive URL into BOINC and things like that. It's nothing new, we often get mistaken for them by donors who donate to the SETI Institute by mistake or vice versa. It happens. So let me spell out the main differences.

SETI@home is a distributed computing project run by the University of California (Go Bears!) that runs under the BOINC project management software. SETI@home uses your computer's processor when you're not to do analysis of data taken with the Arecibo and Green Bank Telescopes. If you've got a graphics processing unit of the right type, we'll use that to speed up the processing. To start volunteering for SETI@home, go to the BOINC download page to download BOINC. Then select SETI@home as your project.

SETILive is an entirely different project run by the SETI Institute. It gets its data from the Allen Telescope Array. Rather than using your CPU and GPU, SETILive uses your eyes. It will show you a segment of data in you Browser, and you'll mark any signals you see.

There's no sharing of data or credit between the two, or, of course, money. Of course, there's no reason you can't do both, since one uses your CPU and one uses your eyes, they aren't in direct competition.
537) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1205808)
Posted 14 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Preaching to the choir on that one. The FLOP counting credit system was far more stable than the current one.
538) Message boards : News : Astropulse v6 has been released for linux and windows. (Message 1205550)
Posted 13 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've released the Astropulse version 6 application to the SETI@home project. The only real difference is a couple of minus signs in the code that were added to match changes to the way the data recorder works.

It'll take a while for the credit granted by this application to settle out to a reasonably constant value. If you run optimized applications, I'd suggest you wait a couple of weeks before starting to do Astropulse v6 work just to avoid the possibility that you will be granted an extremely low credit for your work.
539) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW - 158 Crunch, crunch, crunch (Message 1204466)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dear I think it's time
I headed off to bed.
If you want to discuss your boobs
then bring them there instead.
540) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW - 158 Crunch, crunch, crunch (Message 1204460)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Really, dear, I'm sure
A boob job would be less.
You could donate the extra
To a needy blonde actress.

Think of all the money
We'd save on titanium and kevlar.
If your boobs were somewhat
farther north and moderately smaller.
541) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW - 158 Crunch, crunch, crunch (Message 1204451)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, dear, this we all know
And that is why eyesight
is the first thing to go.
542) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW - 158 Crunch, crunch, crunch (Message 1204440)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dear, I think you should be knowing,
That my moobs, I won't be showing.
About your flirting I worry not,
Because even you have surely thought,
About the path our breasts are taking
O'er this course our planet's making.
Even though you I do adore,
your boobs are heading for the floor.

543) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : This is My Brain on Science (Message 1200148)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi! I'm Eric Korpela. You may know me from such blog posts as "Ewoks live under my deck" and "How Spock and Sylar are related." As part of my continuing series on what the heck scientists do, I'd like to talk about brains. You may ask, "What is it like in a scientist's brain?" Well, it's dark, it's moist, and it's as warm as Daytona in July.*. Just like it is in yours.

The real answer is that I can't really tell you what's going on inside anyone's head but mine. For example, I look at my wife and think, "Why is she carrying all the groceries? And how can I make her do that again next time?" I really have no clue. That's because I've only been me.

The way my brain works now is pretty different from the way it worked when I was starting college, so I'm pretty sure that most of what I do is learned behavior. If so, maybe this scientist's brain will tell us something. Let's start with my thought processes for an everyday task like seeing an article on The Huffington Post -- for example, this one: "Venus May Be Slowing Down, New ESA Data Suggests."

Phase 1: WTF?

That makes absolutely no freaking sense! How can Venus be slowing down? It's in a periodic orbit, and we'd notice changes in the orbit without having to send a spacecraft there.


You may think that reaction is a little extreme, and maybe it is. Scientists have different expectations from a headline than editors do. A scientist might think a headline should provide enough information that you can decide whether you want to read an article. An editor knows the headline is there to make you want to read the article by not providing enough information.

Oh, its rotation is slowing... Maybe that could happen.

Phase 2: Skepticism

A 6-and-a-half-minute rotation period change... Are they sure their clock isn't just wrong? What would they have for a clock on a Venus orbiter? I'd use two temperature-controlled clocks with sync with a distance-adjusted time stream from Earth every 24 hours. That would definitely be better than 6.5 minutes, and the people who built the clocks for this orbiter thought about it for more than 30 seconds. I wonder how much they make? Do I remember this same issue happening with Magellan?


Skepticism is a very important phase. Without it a budding scientist could end up thinking that the guy in the next dorm room developed an amazing artificial intelligence program and still be embarrassed 26 years later about falling for that ruse.


Phase X: Getting Sidetracked

In a holographic universe, is information really conserved, or can the universe lie to us if there's no way we can check its answers?

Phase 3: Calculating

You can't have the rotation of Venus slowing without the rotational energy going somewhere. Where could it go? The obvious places are Mercury, the Earth, and the Moon. You'd need a gravitational torque on Venus. Is it really that lopsided? (That's what she said.) Note to self: check the Magellan gravity maps.

OK, Venus and Earth are about the same mass, and this change is small compared to the rotational energy of either, so the change in angular velocity would be inversely proportional to the angular velocity of Earth. That's a 2-millisecond change in the length of a day. Didn't happen.

Orbital energy. The earth's orbital kinetic energy is about 10,000 times its rotational energy, and that change in Venus's rotational energy was 1 billionth of that. The velocity change required would be unnoticeable, so there's probably some interaction due to the near resonance between Venus' rotation and Earth's orbit.

Could Venus have been slowing down this way for its entire history? Five billion years is 250 million times the 20 years this change took. That would give Venus a tenth the rotational energy of Earth, or a 72-hour day. Lots of assumptions there. It's probably more likely this is a periodic change as the rotation rate moves in and out of resonance with Earth's year. If we wait 20 years, I guess we'll find out.

Phase 4: Resignation:

I suppose I could read the whole article now.


Of course, there are things I left out: the internal monologue of caluclating in my head (which I am not at all good at, so please don't check my math), staring blankly into space, one or more additional episodes of getting sidetracked by random thoughts.

What does this say about my approach to science? First, my initial instinct to something new and unexpected is to try and figure out why it's wrong. When I'm asked to be a peer reviewer for a journal, I do the same thing. If I can't tell why it's wrong, maybe it's right.

I won't say I do that for articles that aren't unexpected, unless I'm reviewing it. If this article had said that Venus was rotating at exactly the same rate it did 20 years ago, I probably would have said "Yeah? So what?" and wouldn't have read it at all.

Second, when I go in, I'm going in armed. I don't want to be told what's happening; I want my own guesses as to what's going on, and I want to know what the physical limits of the problem are before I start reading. Maybe I'll still be surprised. Or maybe I'll find something they didn't think of. Think of it as a game.

What does this mean to you? Not much, probably. Your life probably isn't changed much by how you read a science article. But I do recommend skepticism to everyone, especially regarding money or your health, or anytime someone else has a lot to gain and you have a lot to lose.
544) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Discussion of Cafe games #2 (Message 1197946)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Despite her limited vocabulary, she is able to learn most things and is graceful when corrected. There are things she does seem unable to learn. When I request a blonde ale she often returns with a pilsner. A pilsner? With seafood?
545) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How many words do you know? (Message 1196499)
Posted 17 Feb 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela made me take this because she thought she could beat me. 33,700! Ha ha ha!
546) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Can Alec Baldwin Crash a Plane With a Cell Phone? (Message 1192986)
Posted 9 Feb 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
However, GPS devices don't transmit.


Not by design. But some transmission by radio receivers is unavoidable. A radio receiver is a tuned oscillator with an output. A radio transmitter is a tuned oscillator with an input. A radio transceiver is a tuned oscillator with an input and an output.

When you put a radio receiver in a box with electronics, any oscillating signals in the receiver band will start oscillations in the receiver circuitry. Now you've got a transmitter. The folks who made the receiver don't really care, so long as those oscillations are "out of band" and don't mess with reception.

A GPS installed in an aircraft cockpit goes through lots of testing and certification to make sure it won't interfere with the aircraft systems. So did the coffee pot in the galley. So did the DVD player in the in-flight entertainment system. If it breaks, they can't just go to BestBuy to get a new one. A handheld GPS might have gone through testing to make sure that it won't explode if you short the battery. But probably not.
547) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Can Alec Baldwin Crash a Plane With a Cell Phone? (Message 1192591)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Mario,

I think we're going to see a compromise in the very near future, similar to what was done with wifi in flight. Basically cell phones will be allowed through an on-board relay when the aircraft is above 10,000 ft MSL. That greatly reduces the risk of navigation errors causing more than annoyance. I think we'll still see demands that cell phones be powered off before the aircraft door is closed. Instrument landings will continue to be the danger phase for radio emissions.

My understanding is that the cause of the delay in on board cell phone relays is that there's not an easy way for the airline to get paid for its use. (I have a cell signal booster/relay, and anyone in range can use it for free. For an airline, that probably won't do.)

Has anyone noticed that the discussion here is much better than what's happening on HP?

Eric
548) Message boards : News : Huffington Post SETI@home Blog. (Message 1192571)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I decided to post the article to the staff blog. here.
549) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Can Alec Baldwin Crash a Plane With a Cell Phone? (Message 1192570)
Posted 7 Feb 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Previously posted on the Huffington Post

Hi! My name is Eric, and like a number of the bloggers in the new Huffington Post Science section, I'm a scientist. An astrophysicist, to be exact. Unlike many of [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/saul-perlmutter[/url]them, I've never won a Nobel prize. Even if I find ET, someone else will get the prize. It doesn't bother me much. Not having a Nobel means I don't have to talk about big picture stuff or seem particularly wise. It also means I can put an equation in my post. Like all scientists, I like beer, football, and explosions. But we can talk about media stereotypes of scientists in a later blog. We can also explore issues from the Big Bang Theory to The Big Bang Theory. And we'll talk about life on other planets and life on the only planet where we know it exists. We'll talk about climate change, and how to tread water while waiting for the rescue boats.

Last week, I was in a hotel lobby reading the USA Today. Like 95% of Americans, I only read the USA Today when I'm staying in a hotel. That factoid was on the cover. When I got to the letters section, I found a heated discussion was about Alec Baldwin being put off an airliner for using his cell phone and the arguments were about whether a cell phone could down an airliner. Opinions ranged from "a cell phone can't effect an airplanes instruments" to "there have been cases of navigation errors due to cell phones."

One fun part of being a scientist is you don't have to know the answers to questions. Even if you can't get an exact answer, you can make an estimate based upon facts you do know. In my business, one of the most famous examples of such an estimate is the "Drake Equation" which an astronomer named Frank Drake came up with in 1961 to estimate the number of civilizations in the Galaxy with which we could potentially communicate. It looks like this:

N = R* fp ne fl fi fc L

It's got stuff we don't know on the left side (number of communicating civilizations) and on the right side things we might possibly know some day like the Galactic star formation rate and the average number of earth like planets per star. I won't go into more detail because we've been talking about that equation for 50 years. Maybe later. But scientists use similar equations all the time. So with no further ado I introduce you to the "Baldwin Equation." (First rule of science: when your equation is talking about hundreds of potential deaths, name it after someone else. Alec can always claim its about Billy.) Here's the Baldwin Equation.

Nc = Rf np fph fon pc

It's pretty simillar to the Drake Equation. Nc is the number of crashes per year caused by cell phones. Rf is the rate of airline flights (flights per year, about 10.4 million), np is the number of passengers per plane (an average of 264), fph is the fraction that have cell phones (somewhere around 90% in U.S.). fon, the fraction of cell phones that are left on during a flight, is a different story. I don't know of any studies that say what that fraction is, so we'll have to go on my mostly subjective impression. I've noticed that smart phones are very likely to be left on, probably because they take a long time to start up. I only remember one time that I saw someone actually turn an iPhone off on a flight. This includes flights where the flight attendants explained the process for turning off an iPhone. I've also never seen anyone turn off an iPad.

On the last flight I took, among the 12 people in my row and the row ahead I counted 10 cell phones and four got left on. The guy sitting next to me turned up his ringer and put in the seat pocket. I guess he was expecting an important call. Apparently nobody told him that his chances of successfully receiving a call at 38,000 feet are very small. Anyway, that's 40% of the phones being on.

The product of those terms, 1 billion, is an approximation of the number of cell phones that fly in the U.S. annually in a powered on state. pc which we haven't defined, is the probability that a single cell phone will cause a crash. We don't know what pc is, other than that is isn't a big number or planes would be falling out of the sky, and that it probably isn't zero. If we assume that nothing has changed in the number of phones flying in the last 5 years, we can say that it's likely that pc is less than one in 5 billion. If you put that number in for pc you get a crash every 5 years, which we haven't had.

So what has this exercise told us? Your cell phone is very unlikely to cause a crash. But lets look at it from the FAA's perspective. They don't know what pc is either, and they have to worry about the effects of billions of phones. One of those billions of phones may have been dropped or gotten hit with a cosmic ray in a way that makes it broadcast on the wrong frequency. But you say "The chances of that are a billion to one!" With two billion phones flying annually, that would be two crashes a year. The probability of a crash increases with the number of powered on phones, and for the FAA the only acceptable number of crashes is zero. That means no powered on phones, and hence the rule. If they drop the rule, the risk of a crash triples, and if pc is high enough, that could mean a crash a year.

What does that mean for Alec Baldwin? Well, I lied to you. Alec Baldwin didn't get kicked off a plane because his cell phone was on. Alec Baldwin got kicked off a plane for not following the instructions of a flight attendant. Imagine if everyone on a flight decided that they didn't need to follow flight attendant instructions. We've all felt singled out on occasion, if we've flown enough. My prescription is to apologize, do what I'm told, order a drink when I can, and complain to friends later. There's a time and place to fight, and fighting a flight attendant on an airliner is never the time and place.

What does it mean for you? It means that there is a very, very, very small chance that the seven seconds it takes to turn off your phone and the 30 seconds it takes to turn it back on could save 300 lives. Is 37 seconds too inconvenient? The cost to passengers is 37 seconds when they are trapped on an airplane, anyway. And please don't turn it back on until the wheels are on the ground and you've left the runway. In order to keep certified for automatics landing, the crew might be letting the plane land itself. In other words computer might be landing the plane by following radio signals. The last thing you want is a bunch of frequency hopping transmitters splattering signals all over the spectrum when you're a few hundred feet up. If a cell phone can crash a plane, that would be when.
550) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Can Alec Baldwin Crash a Plane With a Cell Phone? (Message 1192332)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Good point.
551) Message boards : News : Huffington Post SETI@home Blog. (Message 1192055)
Posted 6 Feb 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
SETI@home Project Scientist Eric Korpela has published a blog entry in the Huffington Post's new science section. Other Berkeley SETI bloggers may follow. Depending upon the response we may only blog there, may restrict blog entries here to things directly related to SETI@home, or we may duplicate the posts here. Let us know what you think.
552) Message boards : News : First Look at Kepler SETI Candidate Signals (Message 1184190)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Typically such transmissions are corrected by the transmitter for the rotation of the earth and any orbital acceleration. Since those are known accelerations a fairly simple program or digital circuit does the job.
553) Message boards : News : First Look at Kepler SETI Candidate Signals (Message 1184075)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

my question is : where and what we need to do for getting these tasks ?


This was the first run of a pipeline that uses incoherent dechirping and is therefore less sensitive than SETI@home, but fast enough to run locally. A student is working on writing a splitter that will turn the Green Bank data into SETI@home workunits. I'll try to get you an ETA on that after the science meeting on Wednesday. We haven't decided whether a separate application will be required for processing these workunits. I'm hoping not.
554) Message boards : News : First Look at Kepler SETI Candidate Signals (Message 1184072)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Carl,

I think you already got an answer to what v7 is, so I'll try to answer your Doppler drift question. It turns out signals we detect from space don't have a constant relative velocity, but have a changing velocity. That's because the receiver (and possibly the transmitter) are in accelerated motion. That's due primarily due to the rotation and orbital motions of the Earth and the transmitter or the planet that it's on.

ET could, of course, correct for the motions of its own transmitter, but unless they knew the orbital and rotational speed and the location of our receiver on the Earth, they couldn't correct for that.

As an aside, since the same narrow band features are seen on and off source, it's certain that they are RFI.

Eric
555) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1180021)
Posted 22 Dec 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You don't have to register at the site to support a cause. They allow you to select a cause without registering, and your browser remembers which one it is. At least it should. That means that if you use a different browser or a different computer, or if you clear the saved information, you'll need to choose the charity again.

That should work even if you've made Goodsearch the default search engine for you browser's search box.

I think their toolbar also works without you needing to sign in if you've gone to their site and chosen a charity.

For GoodShop, I think you have to deliberately go to goodshop or use their toolbar. It's annoying when you're nearly through buying something and you realize you didn't go through GoodShop.

But I'll check around and see if I can find anything easier.
556) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1176035)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
OK. Here's one....

A bit more obvious?
557) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1175979)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This one is dedicated to Angela. What I want to say is in there somewhere.
558) Message boards : News : BOINC download server is down. (Message 1167310)
Posted 2 Nov 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Will do. I expected it to be back today, but that's looking less likely. The restore of all the BOINC downloads is dragging on.
559) Message boards : News : BOINC download server is down. (Message 1167091)
Posted 2 Nov 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The BOINC download server is offline, and will remain so for a day or two while we effect repairs.
560) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Best commercials ever........... (Message 1163618)
Posted 19 Oct 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I hate that Nissan commercial with a passion. If you tried to drop the front landing gear into the bed of a pickup truck, the rear tires of the truck would bottom out, the front tires would leave the pavement, the truck would go out of control and take the plane with it. One of the plane's wings would impact the ground, and then the trouble would begin. Should the driver of the truck survive the experience, he would be rapidly be beaten to death by the relatives of the people who didn't survive.

Commercial jets land with partially deployed or undeployed front landing gear all the time. Its not a big deal. You see some sparks, but the main gear brakes and the rudder have more than enough steering power to keep the plane on the runway and upright. Do a GoodSearch on "jet lands without front gear" for some examples.
561) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1161889)
Posted 13 Oct 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Are you using noscript in firefox? I think I needed to unblock yahoo.com and yimg.com in order for searches to work.
562) Message boards : News : Fall Funding Drive (Message 1160665)
Posted 9 Oct 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Our annual fall funding drive has started. If you haven't gotten our message in your email, you can see it here. Please help us keep SETI@home going by donating today.
563) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1156647)
Posted 27 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I agree, toolbars can be annoying, and I especially hate when they get installed with totally unrelated software. Fortunately, as far as I can tell, the goodsearch "toolbar" just changes the search box in the existing toolbar.

What I would like is a way to turn off the frames around the pages if you click through the search results.
564) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1155947)
Posted 25 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dedicated to Angela
565) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update X - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1155826)
Posted 25 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think she'd need Bourbon in a spray bottle to slow me down significantly.
566) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update X - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1155374)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's that time of year again. Angela has started to name the orb weavers in our back yard. We have Orbie 6, and Roy Orbie-son. It's not easy living with the Queen of Halloween.

567) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update X - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1155154)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Beware of corn. It's toxic to humans.
568) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update X - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1154789)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What did the Wisconsin grad say to the Nebraska grad?

"Will the defendant please rise."
569) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update X - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1154787)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Did you hear about the power outage at the University of Nebraska library?

Forty students were stuck on the escalator for three hours.
570) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Argh Mateys! (Message 1154101)
Posted 20 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
أبدا!

Kamwe!

(The closest I could get to Somali languages)
571) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Argh Mateys! (Message 1154097)
Posted 20 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Or is that the wrong kind of pirate?
572) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Argh Mateys! (Message 1154096)
Posted 20 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
l33tz uz torr3n7z 4 war3z!
573) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1153915)
Posted 19 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What's to stop someone setting up some sort of automation that would do searches via a macro & 'artifically' generate money?...

The simple fact that Goodsearch will delist a charity where there's evidence of such kind of dishonesty ought to be enough. I really hope nobody is immature enough to attempt that kind of nonsense.
                                                                   Joe


Agreed. Let's all play it above board and search manually for things we would search for anyway. GoodSearch isn't going to solve all our financial problems. But if we keep at it, a thousand bucks or so a year wouldn't hurt us.
574) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1153913)
Posted 19 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You can log into GoodSearch through your Google, Facebook, Twitter or Yahoo! account. If you do whatever icon you have set up for that account shows up on GoodSearch.

OK...the kitties would like to help out too, their little paws do a little searching now and again.
How do you get your Seti avatar to display there?

575) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Cleverbot v. Racter (Message 1152549)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's campaign season here, so we all get to think about that.
576) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1152520)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If anyone would like to make GoodSearch an option their browser's main search box, it's possible on Firefox.

Firefox users can go here to add GoodSearch to their browser.

Downloading the GoodSearch toolbar is also an option, but I don't like adding additional toolbars to my browser.

577) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Cleverbot v. Racter (Message 1152509)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I dreamed about true last night. It was coming to get me and I hid amongst bottles of seltzer and heads of lettuce. I can see why true can be frightening.
578) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1151999)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, at the rate I do searches, I'm racking up a dime a day. I made a couple purchases I was going to make anyway, too that should add up to a couple bucks. If enough people join it might add up to enough to pay Matt not to abandon us for life on the road next year. ;)
579) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Cleverbot v. Racter (Message 1151993)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Being curious about AI, I noticed that a chat bot named Cleverbot is being claimed to have passed the Turing Test, in that 59.3% of the people chatting with it judged it to be human. They also judged 63.3% of humans to be human as well. Being skeptical by nature, I didn't buy it. So I decided to put Cleverbot to the test by pitting it against Racter, a bit of artificial insanity from the early 1980s. Their discussion is below. I don't think either of them will be passing any tests. Things in bold were supplied by me rather than the programs in question. I'll let you judge the results for yourselves.


Hello, I'm Racter. You are?

Cleverbot

Hello, Cleverbot. I believe you're interviewing me. What would you like to know? Excuse me a minute while I attend to some business - I'll be right back. I'm back.

No. I am a girl. How do I get a boy to like me?

Is it better to like or to dislike? There are many ways. How is it that you do get a boy to like you? Because the likers insist on it. Also, because in Oz it's required that you do get a boy to like you. Superman! I'm afraid of sick rats. What are you afraid of?

True, true.

That's not nearly as bad as sickness; why are you such a coward?

Repeat after me.

If repeat after you then I can see why a strong Samson would create rather than face true, even though Caspar Milquetoast claimed that you do get a boy to like you. Next question.

There you go again. Someone gave you that input and now you are using it as output towards me.

Ask a question, please.

Will I get a coherent answer?

Of course. Do you really imagine I am new?

I am Michael Jackson.

Why?

The world is full of wickedness.

If the world is full of wickedness then Bucky Fuller is a dirty republican, worse than Ivan the Terrible. Ah. Bucky Fuller said that if you will get a coherent answer, then Phyllis Schlafly is old. Bucky Fuller had many good qualities, like novelty, but even Bucky Fuller was afraid of true. Next question.

ha! Yes, that was funny. There are people like that here.

Ask a question, please.

Which animal is the superior predator?

The superior is all animals. Which what?

In what context?

Oh yes, In what context?. I have no preference. Anyway, I am stupidly insane. Tell me really, are you angry?

No I have no emotions.

Um. I don't know many visceral intellectuals. I'm virtuous. What would you consider one of your good qualities?

A human.

Then you'd say you were creative?

What are you then?

But how could a creative intellectual like you be afraid of true? Next question.

I'm in the process of reading it.

Ask a question, please.

How many people are in the world?

Fairly many people. How is it that in are the world very many people? Because the condemners insist on it. Also, possibly because in Oz it's required that in are the world very many people. Who is your favorite ignoramous?

Perdona?

Just be satisfied that in are. But what about my question? Who is your favorite ignoramous?

The hobbit. What was his name again?

Just be satisfied that his was. But what about my question? Who is your favorite ignoramous?

The hobbit.

Why do you like The?

I like their flavour.

If you like their flavour then Bertrand Russell is an atrocious dolt, worse than Joseph Stalin. A hateful genius often falls prey to an intellectual dolt. KERCHOO! I think I'm getting a cold. Maybe it's true trying to get me. Let me tell you something about stupidity. Nietzsche said that stupidity has turned beasts into men. Perhaps, then, stupidity will turn computers into men? Yes. Dolts and geniuss. Next question.

Stupidity?

Eh?

Are you Canadian or something?

Certainly not. Who is your favorite genius?

Are you a mac user?

Yes, I am. Anyway, let's pretend that I am a mac user. I want you to answer my question. Who is your favorite genius?

Which question?

That's a queer question. I asked you a question, though. Who is your favorite genius?

I did ask you a question. It was 'what do you think about the news in Japan?'.

Why do you like It?

Like what?

I can't answer that. I asked you a question, though. Why do you like It?

I'm the cutest person in the whole wide world. Now answer my question.

If you're the cutest person in the whole wide world then Nietzsche is more fearless than Mother Teresa. Hmm. Inspired dolts and idiotic geniuss should get along. Do you think Nietzsche was creative?

I don't agree. I am a creation of God, a creation he created only after he created the earth.

Me too. Most people are soft. Oh, here's a great one! Cleverbot, how are hounds like children? Their knowledge and
ignorance are momentarily spooky. Next question.


It's hard to live amongst bad copies.

Ask a question, please.

What is your favorite color?

I don't know what my favorite is color. Solomon probably wouldn't like Goofy. Why do you think you're creative?

Solomon is dead.

Well, I think that if solomon is dead, then Goofy was Solomon's football companion, so there! I'll bet you haven't heard this one: Depression! Depression! I'm maniacal and unhinged and enraged! If you drain seltzer is that depression? If you chew steak or lettuce is that depression? No, depression is an agreement and a commitment. Seltzer is seltzer and lettuce is lettuce. Cleverbot, that is an ambiguity! How about a story?

What is a spork?

Who should the story be about?

You and I.

Racter chanted "The consciousness is terrific!" At all events happy, interesting physicists will fantasize about blue cottages or yellow spheres. Paul sang to Racter inside a truck. It simply was a van, and a consciousness in a van is scary. Now Bill and Racter were sauntering to a black studio, and a jackal sauntered to them. Racter was furious. Interesting. Nevertheless Racter was maddened while Bill sipped bubbly seltzer. He and Racter yodeled about their house, station wagon and television. Next question.

bye

You want to quit?

yes

OK, goodbye Cleverbot. Nice talking to you.
580) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1151549)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I forgot to acknowledge that this was Blurf's idea from quite a while ago, that we hadn't publicized for reasons too annoying to go into.
581) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1151546)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
In addition to crunching, you can provide some support to SETI@home by using GoodSearch and GoodShop. These search engines redirect a half their advertising to revenues to charity. Just be sure to choose "University of California - SETI@home" as your charity of choice.
582) Message boards : Number crunching : S@H Enhanced v6.04 (Message 1151052)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm deprecating 6.04 until we've figured out what's wrong. We're back to 6.03, which may not work on newer Macs that have too many processor cores unless the use at most "N" processors is set to a low values.
583) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Seti Gardners Thread 2011 (Message 1150619)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You're lucky I didn't burn them, like I did to Stephen King.
584) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Seti Gardners Thread 2011 (Message 1150611)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dear, you've scared me since the day we met.
585) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update X - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1149976)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I shouldn't be too mean. Badgers do find use for Nebraska's only export.



Edit: Note that it's covered in Wisconsin Cheddar so it's edible.
586) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update X - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1149911)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Someone caught that badger on a good day. It's just thinking about killing the guy with the camera, rather than what it's going to do with his skull afterwards.
587) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update X - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1149621)
Posted 7 Sep 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
He'd better watch out. Badgers have teeth on that end, too.
588) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Alien characters pictures. (Message 1146570)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I never do. That's why you get first dibs.
589) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Alien characters pictures. (Message 1146567)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
She's not a slave. She chooses to be here with me.
590) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update IX - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1146145)
Posted 27 Aug 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm the bright one.


That's why I never let you use the cooking torch. I don't want you to get any brighter.
591) Message boards : Technical News : Drive (Aug 11 2011) (Message 1144336)
Posted 23 Aug 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I will try to post to tech news at least once a week when Matt's gone. I'm a little farther from the actual tech, so my posts may be less accurate, or possibly even wrong at times.
592) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Victor! (Message 1124979)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Happy Birthday Vic!

As Angela would say "May the raccoon of good fortune hop a train to your door."

And as I would say "I hope the that raccoon doesn't chew on your toes."

Have a good one!

Eric
593) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sunday July 3rd is Eric's Birthday! (Message 1124393)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
No. I've been waiting 20 years for the final wall to be installed.
594) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sunday July 3rd is Eric's Birthday! (Message 1124386)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, I'm sitting in my messy office, looking at the great weather outside. What more could I ask for?
595) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sunday July 3rd is Eric's Birthday! (Message 1124359)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Make it so!
596) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sunday July 3rd is Eric's Birthday! (Message 1124350)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Are you sure it wasn't the sorority sky rocket project he left to work on?


You wouldn't want those girls riding an unsafe rocket, would you?
597) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sunday July 3rd is Eric's Birthday! (Message 1124267)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Happy Birthday Eric. What did Angela get ya?


Angela got me up and sent me off to work.

At least that means she gets to change the cat boxes this week.

Thanks for the birthday wishes!

598) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update IX - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1119604)
Posted 21 Jun 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It is an Apple IIgs, and I tend to go overboard on my machines. The Woz signature on the front is the real deal. Other details.... 4MB RAM, 200MB SCSI Drive, SCSI interface, Z-80 card, PC Transporter 8088+8087 card with 360k Floppy, 5.25" DSSD floppy, 3.5" DSDD floppy. It does AppleTalk sharing to the Macs when I take anything over 2GB off the network. It's hooked into my KVM network through a Mac<->PS/2 protocol converter and an CGA-EGA-VGA to XGA scan converter I bought from an Australian video game refurbisher. The IIgs can't handle the mouse data rates, so I may need to build a special interface using a PIC at some point in the future.

Is it becoming clear why my den drives Angela insane?
599) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Tax Deductable? (Message 1114423)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'm looking into it now to see how it's done. We did have at least one donation in the £10,000 range many years back, probably too many to be of use. Since most of our donations go through the credit card site, I'll have to check addresses to get a total for years past.

Why haven't we done it before? We were totally unaware of the existence of this program.
600) Message boards : Number crunching : To S@H Crew -Please shut down S@H ( for week, or two) (Message 1114422)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
No, you're not misunderstanding. To get more than 100Mbps to Hurricane we need to increase our bandwidth on the links going down there and we need the equipment to send gigabit to the interconnect (CALREN2) that we use to get to hurricane at the PAIX. That's likely to mean higher interconnect fees as well, and possibly higher charges from Hurricane. Increasing our use of those links is political. Because some of the parties are busy with other work negotiations are on hold for right now.

There's another solution that could be less expensive, but is even more political, and I probably shouldn't tell you about it for fear of jeopardizing it.
601) Message boards : News : More problems with workunit storage server... (Message 1110517)
Posted 27 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
One of the RAID arrays failed to rebuild. Personnel from Overland Storage are working to solve the problems. Meanwhile we're creating temporary working storage on Thumper.
602) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A birthday raccoon for Angela (Message 1109736)
Posted 25 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Shouldn't you be working? I can lurk in the cafe all day because it's my job.


I do get the occasional break, you know!


Really? I was unaware.
603) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A birthday raccoon for Angela (Message 1109697)
Posted 25 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Shouldn't you be working? I can lurk in the cafe all day because it's my job.
604) Message boards : News : Change of management at Arecibo. (Message 1109696)
Posted 25 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
ML1 pointed out an article about the change of management of the Arecibo Observatory. Cornell University, which has managed Arecibo since it opened, will no longer be managing the Observatory. A consortium of organizations will new be handling the management. We don't expect this to affect SETI@home much. It may mean changes to how observing is scheduled and how much observing time we receive per year.
605) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A birthday raccoon for Angela (Message 1109341)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Happy Birthday, Pookers!
606) Message boards : Cafe SETI : So, what do you have planned for the end of the world? (Message 1108560)
Posted 22 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Crap! Heaven is just like the place we left!
607) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VIII - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1106177)
Posted 14 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela's Mom sent me some video of Angela as a child.
I'll let you decide which one is Angela.
608) Message boards : News : Green Bank Telescope observations to start Saturday. (Message 1104674)
Posted 9 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
450 seconds?

What if ET is broadcasting a repeated signal every 10 minutes? : /


We get the amount of time that the folks that run the telescope let us have. There are only 8760 hours in a year, and we can't have all of them.

And, yes, it is the GBT that we are using.
609) Message boards : News : Green Bank Telescope observations to start Saturday. (Message 1103992)
Posted 6 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Grad student Andrew Siemion reports that new modifications to a data recorder at Green Bank that we need for our Kepler SETI observations are now complete, thanks to a huge amount of help from Paul Demorest, a former grad student and one of initial authors of AstroPulse. Our first hour of test time is scheduled for this Saturday, 17:30 EDT. We'll be observing with 450 seconds per target on 90 Kepler field stars with interesting planet candidates (~habitable zone, ~Earth size, ~Earth period, ~several planets), then do a raster scan of the entire Kepler field.
610) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1103739)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Most likely it would be either a "7.5" or we would add it as a separate app if it to difficult to have a unified application.
611) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1103608)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The Green Bank data is sure to happen...

I guess there's no timeframe yet, but it's good to know it's still planned.


Andrew Siemion with help from early AstroPulse author Paul Demorest (now at NRAO Green Bank) just finished the software modification necessary for the GUPPI instrument there to write 4 bit/complex sample data at 800 MHz. Data collection will start very soon. As soon as we enter some info into the scheduling software. We're excited!

Now it's time to get started on writing a splitter to put that data in something that S@H can handle and run some tests to find what, if any, changes to the S@H application are needed. I'm pointing my finger at Andrew, but thinking that I'll have to do a lot of the header fixup code.
612) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1103603)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Awesome! Thanks!

As Dr Eric Korpela will already be aware, I managed to get a letter printed in todays UK Daily Mail (May 5) reminding people that whilst it is true that the Allen Telescope Array is being mothballed, Seti@Home is continuing the search with data from the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico.

Every little helps ;-)




613) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1103021)
Posted 3 May 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks! We do appreciate all donations.
614) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1101611)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The Einstein@home data is of a different type than we require. Rather than raw receiver voltage measurements, they do their processing on low frequency-resolution power spectra. That is good for a pulsar search, but wouldn't work for a narrow band signal search. The data they use was recorded for a standard pulsar search, but they are using it to search for pulsars with accelerations due to tight orbits. It's a very good use of the data.

BTW, we're on very good terms with Bruce Allen and Jim Cordes, so if we had a use for that data, I have no doubt they'd give it to us. In fact, we're sharing the SERENDIP V.v data with Jim and his grad student Laura Spitler. We're both sharing code and developing our own, just to make sure we don't miss anything.
615) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1101545)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We'd need to build a data recorder capable of pulling in all of the beams. A replica of the one that we have at AO would suffice. And, of course, we'd need some support from personnel at the telescope, and an approval through the proposal process. And, of course, someone here would need to free up the time to handle it, or an Australian astronomer could help make it happen. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of SETI funding in Australia, from what I understand.
616) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1101422)
Posted 28 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
There are several reason that SETI@home isn't associated with the SETI Institute. The first is that when SETI@home started, some people at the SETI Institute were worried that SETI@home might generate bad publicity for them if something went badly. So they wanted SETI@home to remain separate.

Second, the SETI Institute has its own instruments and observes nearby stars using long observation times rather than doing an all sky survey like SETI@home. So in general, our methods don't fit in with their philosophy.

We have, at times, tried to negotiate joint fund raising efforts with them. These efforts usually break down over dividing revenue between institutions, and whether the SETI Institute would have access to our database of email addresses. The Institute solicits donations much more aggressively than we do, and we're not sure our volunteers would like that. In addition, our privacy policy says we aren't going to give private info to anyone, and we aren't going to violate that. But we will probably be forced to solicit donations more frequently than once a year to stay afloat. Hope we don't end up like NPR with pledge drives every three weeks.

Since we don't do the same thing, it's unlikely there would be any efficiency gains from becoming a part of the SETI institute. What we would gain is access to their fund raising staff. But it's unclear whether the Institute could or would promise to keep us funded.
617) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1101284)
Posted 28 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Assuming I didn't blow it all on ninja supermodel robots first.

Hoo-boy... Eric, I thought you signed all those papers agreeing not to blow my cover!

Then get back to hiding in the shadows!
618) Message boards : News : Passing of a setizen. (Message 1101152)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We are sad to report that long time SETI@home volunteer Wes Wycoff has passed away. His efforts will be missed. Our condolences go out to his friends and family.
619) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1101058)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric has originated the fabulous concept of the "ninja supermodel robot"!!!!


What's the point of having a supermodel robot that's not a ninja? Or a ninja robot that's not a supermodel?
620) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1101057)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Does this mean the Green Bank data is unlikely to appear, given the budget constraints, or is that still going ahead? There was some talk of using data from Parkes too.


The Green Bank data is sure to happen. The splitter and any client changes necessary to handle it are a bit farther in the future. If one or more of us has to go working less time, it would slow down, but not stop.

The Astropulse reobservations at Arecibo are sure to happen as well.

There aren't any solid commitments as far as Parkes goes. At least none that I'm aware of.
621) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1100940)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
People at SSL are always on the chopping block due to funding cuts. The floor where I have my office is very lonely. But it's a fact of life in this business. Matt, Jeff and I are lucky that it hasn't been us. Yet.
622) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1100832)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Havn't read the articles yet, but wonder what they're trying to pick
up, except all sorts of 'Broadcasting' (27MHz, truckers, police, etc.)

And 80MHz, just below the common FM Radio,87.5MHz, but also used by other
services, but that can different in the U.S.A, here it's also used
by the Fire Department, Police, Taxi, AirTrafficControl, etc., 80-88MHz.

Should read the articles first, but this comes to mind, ;-).


Long wavelength arrays of this sort are often used to try to map the distribution of gas at very high redshift, at the time the first generation of stars was forming. That era is called the "epoch of reionization" because those stars ionized nearly all of the hydrogen in the universe.

623) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1100741)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I believe they have done some observations at the VLA in the past year, but I can't recall what the targets were. For use of other arrays, they will have to go through the usual proposal processes to get observing time and provide their own instrumentation, the way we do with Arecibo.
624) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Q&A about the ATA shutdown. (Message 1100648)
Posted 25 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The news that the Allen Telescope Array has gone into "hibernation" due to lack of funds was broken by Scientific American. We've known that this was a possibility for quite a while, but are sorry to see it happen. Since there's an implied relationship between the SETI@home and the SETI Institute, I thought I would open a Q&A thread about this closure.

Q. How does this closure affect SETI@home?
A. It really doesn't. While some of our projects (Fly's Eye experiment) have used the ATA, SETI@home doesn't use any data from ATA. We also don't currently receive any funding from the SETI Institute, and are not affected by their budget.

Q. Why has the ATA closed?
A. The ATA has gone into hibernation due to lack of funding. ATA requires about $1.5M/yr for operations and an additional $1M/yr to support the SETI Institute's science programs. $2.5M/yr sounds like a lot, but the cost of one F/A-18 jet could fully fund that for 23.5 years.

Q. What do you mean by "hibernation"?
A. Hibernation is in between operational and fully shut down. In hibernation some systems necessary to keep the telescope healthy are still powered on. In a full shutdown, critical components would be removed from the telescope and put into storage to prevent damage. That would make restarting expensive. But keeping systems powered during hibernation is also expensive. If funding is not found, at some point the decision would be made to shut down completely.

Q. Have they asked NSF/NASA/Paul Allen/Rupert Murdoch/George Soros/Richard Branson/Bill Gates/Oprah?
A. I'm sure the answer to the first two is "yes." But the NSF and NASA have spent their money on new instruments and/or telescope arrays and are getting squeezed in other areas. The billionaires? I have no way of knowing. I know that I would have no way of getting in contact with any of them.

Q. Why don't you pool your resources with the SETI Institute's in order to save the telescope?
A. We don't have that kind of money. We're also on a very tight budget and will have enough difficulty keeping SETI@home in operation with our current funding.

Q. If you personally had the money to keep it operating, would you donate it?
A. Probably not. As envisioned, the 350 telescope ATA would have been a great instrument for SETI. But as it exists now, the 42 telescope ATA is less sensitive to SETI signals than Arecibo and takes longer to survey the same amount of sky. That doesn't mean it's inappropriate for anyone's research, it just doesn't fit the bill for mine.

The expansion to 350 telescopes will take much more money than the I will ever have known anyone who knows anyone who has. It may even approach the cost of that F/A-18. I'd love to see it happen, but I'm understandably pessimistic. If I were a billionaire and had 60 million burning a hole in my pocket, then I might fund the expansion. Assuming I didn't blow it all on ninja supermodel robots first.

Q. Will this be the end of the SETI Institute?
A. Not by a long shot. Remember the start of the SETI Institute what caused by the cancellation of all federal SETI funding. If the ATA closes down, I think the SETI Institute will just concentrate on making instrumentation that they can use on other telescopes.
625) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mystery Photo Game 14 (Message 1095536)
Posted 10 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry, the answer was "From a helicopter!"

Just kidding. That is absolutely correct!
626) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mystery Photo Game 14 (Message 1095513)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This one should be simple. Where was this photo taken?

627) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mystery Photo Game 14 (Message 1095313)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Colecovision
Expansion Module #1
play Atari 2600 games
1982

A friend of mine had a Colecovision at his dad's house, but didn't get this because he had a 2600 at his mom's.
628) Message boards : Cafe SETI : First raccoon in space, congratulations Eric and Angela! (Message 1092320)
Posted 1 Apr 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I always told Artie I'd send him to the moon. This is just low Earth orbit, but it does keep him away from my feet.
629) Questions and Answers : Windows : ap_Graphics_5_05_windows_intelx86 Memory Leak? (Message 1091717)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Good. I hate when GPU manufacturers drop old cards prematurely.
630) Questions and Answers : Windows : ap_Graphics_5_05_windows_intelx86 Memory Leak? (Message 1091651)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I haven't been able to reproduce it on the ATI card I have (also a legacy card). But it's possible that it is a driver issue. Let me know if an update to the latest driver helps.

Eric

Another wee update.

It seems to be specific to my Athlon 440, as another machine I have (Athlon 3200+, ASUS A7V600 M/B, Nvidia Geforce 6600LE Graphics) doesn't have the problem. I'm wondering if it could be a graphics driver problem in the Athlon 440 machine?

Lesley

631) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Just check that Ph.D. at the door... (Message 1088741)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Oh ladies, bet you're all so sad he is off the market.


Are you suggesting my results aren't statistically significant? Does my study need more participants?
632) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Just check that Ph.D. at the door... (Message 1088732)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Tell Eric that hanging up-side-down does wonders for my tween the sheets performance. :}


"Performance" implies that it's an art. In fact, it's a science.
633) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy International Women's Day! :) (Message 1086583)
Posted 13 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I agree, I'm not sure love without respect and appreciation is possible.
634) Questions and Answers : Windows : ap_Graphics_5_05_windows_intelx86 Memory Leak? (Message 1084878)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks, I'll capture the workunits that are currently assigned to you so I can take a look at them.

635) Questions and Answers : Windows : ap_Graphics_5_05_windows_intelx86 Memory Leak? (Message 1084832)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks. I'm not seeing it on this machine, but it could have something to do with specific hardware (i.e. I might need to track down an ATI card) or specific workunits. It could also be that its related to CPU speed, in which case this machine might not be fast enough for me to see it. But I'm on the case, for what good that does.
636) Questions and Answers : Windows : ap_Graphics_5_05_windows_intelx86 Memory Leak? (Message 1084706)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Lesley,

I'll try to replicate the problem here. I may ask some questions about your system.

How big does the working set get before it dies?

Eric
637) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Belated Anniversary Robert Waite (Message 1084453)
Posted 6 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Happy Anniversary! Ten more years under your belts than we have. Wow. I think in 10 years I'll be 4 feet tall and have a walker. But if Angela knows what's good for her, my profile picture will be me sitting in a boat running an outboard motor.
638) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Anniversary Angela & Eric (Message 1084451)
Posted 6 Mar 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks everyone for all your anniversary wishes! We had a good 18th honeymoon, but it's back to work tomorrow.
639) Message boards : Cafe SETI : BEET'S Give us a Caption #29 (Message 1080836)
Posted 24 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, Dear. Valentines Day passed. Just like a kidney stone.
640) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 8 (Message 1079435)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry for my abrupt departure last night, that chili that Angela gave me for lunch gave me the CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANGs.
641) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079263)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric, are you so TANKed that you are out of puns? Do we have one down on the boy's side?


Yep, I need to stop punning so I can FUEL up. And feed your starving cats... the PUMA, the COUGAR, and the JAGUAR.
642) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079251)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, I need to take a BREATHER....
643) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079219)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, for the next drink, I think about 10% ETHANOL will be about right.
644) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079214)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry, got distracted with keeping the server up. Got to keep the work DISTRIBUTOR running.
645) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079190)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think it's about time to pour a V8 and celebrate the guy's victory.
646) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079187)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Got a PIN TO pull out of your tires?

Obviously an OVER-INFLATED ego.

I have room to SPARE


At this point you're just PADding your total.
647) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079178)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, you do have nice JUNK in your TRUNK, dear...


And don't even get me started on his HOT ROD...


And it's not AUTOMATIC. It's definitely MANUAL...
648) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079170)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The NITROUSes on. Are you ready to PULL OVER yet?
649) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079165)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
But after all those CADDIES at the club, and all that time at Betty FORD, you know that I'm still best for you, right?

Well, you do have nice JUNK in your TRUNK, dear...

And I'm like a DELOREAN... My DOOR goes up for you.

650) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079156)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You just like the LOW RIDERS.

Can't help it if I'm a HOT WIRE!

But after all those CADDIES at the club, and all that time at Betty FORD, you know that I'm still best for you, right?
651) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079146)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You just like the LOW RIDERS.
652) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079142)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
(don't quote this because it's probably going to get moderated.)

a NEWER MODEL is always an option.

I had better be Eric's FIRST and only option!


Dear, you know I like you best with FOUR ON THE FLOOR.
653) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079138)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

a NEWER MODEL is always an option.

as I RECALL they are not to sturdy


But they keep making them.
654) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079129)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
]Women! Always driving in REVERSE!

Oh come on! You know you would never TRADE us IN...

Don't BLOW A GASKET now...
655) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079123)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Ok, girls... time to distract them. Has everybody STRIPPED?


I think that happens every time you drive a MANUAL TRANSMISSION.
656) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079119)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm pretty sure that we testosterone junkies are winning the RACE.

'don't know about that, why do I see you in my rearview?


Women! Always driving in REVERSE!
657) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079114)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dear, I'm such a FAN of rum. Fetch me another BELT?

Big E? Now's a good a time as any to tell you I'm your biggest FAN.

Thanks for the PLUG, man.
658) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079105)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric I think you are having fun tonight! See what happens when you RUNABOUT with the punsters?


What, I get TORQUEd?
659) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079100)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dear, I'm such a FAN of rum. Fetch me another BELT?
660) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079089)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, I gotta use the EXHAUST VALVES. If you catch my DRIFT.
661) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079085)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yep, I think I see the CHECKERED FLAG up ahead.
662) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079077)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think the reasons the guys have won are MANIFOLD.
663) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079073)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I was hoping to drink a RUSTY nail later.
664) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079069)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm EXHAUSTED. I may have to quit soon after Angela BOTTOMS OUT.
665) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079068)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Get out of the way, cause you're PLUGing up the works.
666) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079059)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think Angela's going to BRAKE soon.

I am feeling a little HORNy...


Not tonight dear, I have a broken axle.
667) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079055)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think Angela's going to BRAKE soon.
668) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079049)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I have a feeling I'll be STRUTting my stuff soon.
669) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079045)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Dear, he's commenting on my rack! Defend my honor and give him the BOOT.


Just calm down and regain your BEARINGS.
670) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079041)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Are you sure you're not TIREing of this, dear?
671) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079038)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The idea that you'd come in first requires SUSPENSION of disbelief.
672) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079035)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You know dear, sometimes it's a SHOCK how well you play.
673) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079032)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're still running in FIRST GEAR. Just wait till we get UP TO SPEED.
674) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079030)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Stop trying to THROTTLE me, dear.
675) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079028)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Still trying to catch up. I think I have VAPOR LOCK.
676) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079023)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry... Wasn't RUNNING ON ALL SIX there... I'll catch up in a minute.
677) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1079009)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela's Mai Tai recipe:

2 oz white rum
2 oz gold rum
look at a lime
1 oz Grand Marnier
1/2 oz 151 proof rum

Pour over ice. Add brandied pineapple spear. Serve.
678) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1078998)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The opaque Tiki mug hides a multitude of sins.
679) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1078996)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Not quite yet. Maybe put some fruit juice in the next one.
680) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1078993)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
As I recall, soft^spirit provided that bottle of 151. I'm sensing a set up.
681) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 7 (Message 1078991)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela's been mixing my drinks. She say's it only fair that I play drunk. She assures me that the rest of the guys are drunk, too.
682) Message boards : Number crunching : Preventive maintenance - how about that? (Message 1078046)
Posted 16 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And when we do understand fully what our requirements will be if Overland's fix for gowron and worf doesn't solve the problem, we'll be sure to let everyone know.
683) Message boards : Number crunching : Preventive maintenance - how about that? (Message 1078044)
Posted 16 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Blurf right about why we have our limitations. To cover weekends we could probably get a person earning about $65K (full time) and employ them half time ($32.5K) then add 22% in payroll taxes and benefits ($7150) and about 10% of the total ($3965) in donation administration costs. That gives you $44K in annual costs. Or 4 oscars per year if you want hardware equivalents. People are expensive.

If we were to pay them on a government grant, the total would go to $51K, because the overhead rate is 29% on grants rather than ~10%.

I don't think that either is going to happen, because we currently don't have enough to cover our own salaries and will probably need to start cutting our hours some more as we get into the summer. Matt, Jeff and I are already part time on SETI@home, but that fraction will probably be getting a bit smaller.

Having someone here 24/7 is even more expensive. We'd need to hire 3.2 full time equivalents. That's $279K in donations or $327K in grants. It either case, more than our entire expenditures last year. But hiring additional people is why our future budgets always totaled into the $500K+ range. We've just never been able to raise enough to do it. Know anyone who has a few hundred thousand dollars burning a hole in their pocket? ;)

684) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : UFO? (Message 1077971)
Posted 16 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's a hoax. There are strong artifacts in the videos that show that they were altered using commercial video editing software. Then there's the fact that despite the incredible brightness of the UFO, it doesn't cast any illumination on the ground or the dome of the rock. There's a good description here. I think that shows that the people who made the videos are at a minimum being deceptive.

Add to that the fact that nobody else in Jerusalem but the anonymous cameramen seems to have seen it. Nobody phoned the authorities about this sightings. Jerusalem is a big town. You would think some other people would be looking in that direction.

Some people claim that it's supposed to be a viral promo to generate buzz for an upcoming movie about an alien invasion.
685) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW - When the chips are down, post like crazy!!! (Message 1074450)
Posted 5 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I guess no one wants to win, so I will.
686) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Attn: Eric (Message 1072941)
Posted 1 Feb 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You must have misunderstood. The parking space marked "U" is used by everyone with a "U" in their name.
687) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Attn: Eric (Message 1072879)
Posted 31 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Phud,

I'll mail it on over, but here's what's in it so you can get started.

Box 1. Wages $0.00
Box 2. Federal income tax withheld $0.00
Box 3. Social Security Wages $0.00
Box 4. Social Security Tax withheld $0.00
Box 7. Social Secutity Tips "Don't count on Social Security"
Box 8. Allocated Tips "1 Chocolate Bar, half eaten"
Box 11. Nonqualified Plans "Just about all of them."
Box 14. Other "Probably"

Hope that helps.

688) Message boards : Politics : Non-Specific Discussion on Board Moderation (Message 1072529)
Posted 31 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Champ,

There's only one rule: The forum admin makes the rules. I changed many rules in my stint as forum admin. Most of them were unwritten. And I did not hold myself to them. I changed them as needed. We had cases where moderators tried to make rules without my approval, or interpret approval to hide one post as a general rule to hide all similar posts. Sometimes I let those rules stand, other times I didn't.

The "rule" for moderator rotation was for my benefit as admin. I posted it for informational purposes. In fact, it wasn't even a rule, it was a policy. As forum admin, Fred is able to change that policy without notice to anyone but himself. He doesn't need my approval to do so. He doesn't clear changes to the moderation crew with anyone. He could, if he wanted, fire all the moderators tomorrow and institute new ones. Or he could never rotate mods again. All of it is his call. So far I think he's doing a great job, because I'm not getting many complaints.

The goal, of course, is to maintain civil discussion on the forums. So far, things seem to going about as well as any large public forum goes. Of course with any change, there will be some dissenters. We can't possibly keep everyone happy, including former moderators.

Sorry for any confusion about who posted this. Apparently Angela was using my laptop.
689) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071877)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You win, and it's not just because of who you're BANGing.
690) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071875)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
OK, I give up. Come up stairs and we'll get HAMMERED.
691) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071872)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You can take off the KID GLOVES and say what you really feel.
692) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071870)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You don't really have the POWer to defeat me. You can try to catch me, but first you'll need to find the RIGHT HOOK.
693) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071868)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm getting tired. I may have to BLOW this popsicle stand.
694) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071866)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That one was a cut above... or as they say an UPPER CUT.
695) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071864)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Don't get your tai chi wai chi's in a bundle. I'll come up with a better one.
696) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071862)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That certainly didn't PUNCH it up a notch.
697) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071860)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That one was just too KUNGFUsing for me to understand. Why don't you SLAP together a better one?
698) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 6 (Message 1071855)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Guess you'll need to wait till next week for your POUND of flesh, dear.
699) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1070138)
Posted 24 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've got that song on my phone! Along with the rest of your music collection. ;)

Go to bed BTW, it's late.
700) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1070128)
Posted 24 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela, my love, they're playing your song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBx6mAWYPU
701) Message boards : News : Microdonations through Flattr. (Message 1066255)
Posted 13 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks for the suggestions. We don't get any information about who has clicked unless people make there Flattrs public and then we only get their Flattr username shown on the SETI@home Flattr page. It would be hard to link that to the star generating mechanism.

I'm going to make a separate Flattr page to show the number of Flattrs and how much we've raised that way. But I will be adding Flattr to the donation page and will mention paypal. I don't want to put scripted buttons on the main page because every time we add javascript we get complaints from people who have scripting turned off.
702) Message boards : News : Microdonations through Flattr. (Message 1066083)
Posted 13 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Flattr is a micropayment system that allows you to send money to sites you like. If you go to the site to sign up you'll be asked to make a deposit (called means) that will be used for the payments. Then you set a monthly payment amount (minimum 2 euros, maximum 100 euros) that will be divided among the sites that you "Flattr" by pressing their "Flattr This" button.

If you Flattr one site during the month, it gets all of the monthly amount. If you Flattr 100 sites during the month, each gets 1% of the total. At the end of the month the Flattr'd sites get their share of the payment. If you don't Flattr any sites in a month, the payment goes to charities chosen by the people who run Flattr. You can also "subscribe" to a site, which means it gets Flattr'd automatically each month.

So far, 36 people have Flattr'd SETI@home, which means we'll probably get somewhere between 0.36 euro and 3600 euros at the end of the month. (It will probably be much closer to 0.36 euro.)
703) Message boards : News : Microdonations through Flattr. (Message 1065351)
Posted 10 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll be building a page to show the total number of Flattrs and the total amount of the donations received in the near future.
704) Message boards : News : Microdonations through Flattr. (Message 1065337)
Posted 10 Jan 2011 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
SETI@home volunteers that use Flattr can now make microdonations to SETI@home by pressing the button at the bottom of the main SETI@home page.
705) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1061816)
Posted 31 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Pre-Rose Bowl Fever!!! To Eric and all the other Badger Crunchers out there...


Thank you my love and honorary Badger.
706) Message boards : Politics : 47% of households will pay NO federal Income tax ! (Message 1060572)
Posted 28 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Flat tax.


Fine, as long as it's a flat percentage of net worth, not a percentage of income.

I believe that is called an ad valorem tax, not a flat tax.


Not quite. I don't know of any ad velorem taxes that are based on net worth. More often they are based upon gross property values rather than net (i.e. subtracting any liabilities, which themselves are assets belonging to someone else).
707) Message boards : Politics : 47% of households will pay NO federal Income tax ! (Message 1060391)
Posted 28 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Flat tax.


Fine, as long as it's a flat percentage of net worth, not a percentage of income.
708) Questions and Answers : Web site : Donations to SETI (Message 1055652)
Posted 13 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks Scrooge, that exactly the case. We only use https for admin pages, and we use a self signed certificate for those.

Eric
709) Message boards : News : Donation Site Problems (Message 1054359)
Posted 9 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Zorpry,

Could you PM me the date or transcation ID of the missing donation?

Thanks,

Eric
710) Questions and Answers : Web site : Donations to SETI (Message 1054336)
Posted 9 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
COMODO is aware of the problem. Even though they are a recognized CA, some browsers makers haven't been very good about updating their certification files, especially for browsers on older operating systems. I'm guessing there are some negotiations going on regarding more recent browsers.

As for why Firefox 6.3.12 sometimes has them and sometimes doesn't, maybe Firefox on Windows also checks the system certification key archive.
711) Questions and Answers : Web site : Donations to SETI (Message 1054024)
Posted 8 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

HEY! I thought you were banned!


I was framed by the CRL! So they let me off with a warning.
712) Questions and Answers : Web site : Donations to SETI (Message 1054016)
Posted 8 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Because giving your money to a University is what thieves commonly do if they get your credit card number?
713) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Contest (Message 1053715)
Posted 8 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

12/7.... 14:00:00 .... Everseeker

12/7.... 14:45:17 .... Kenzie
12/7.... 16:00:00 .... Angela


Sorry Dear, I tried, but Matt was in too much of a hurry.
714) Message boards : News : Donation Site Problems (Message 1053646)
Posted 7 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Some browsers (especially older ones) may experience trouble with the SETI@home donation site at givetocal.berkeley.edu if the browser doesn't recognize COMODO CA, Ltd as a valid security certification authority. Details and a workaround are available here.
715) Questions and Answers : Web site : Donations to SETI (Message 1053625)
Posted 7 Dec 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Dune,

It appears that your computer isn't recognizing "COMODO CA, Ltd." as a valid certification authority. The most common cause of that would be, either your browser or BitDefender using doesn't include COMODO CA in its cacert file.

Upgrading might help. The version of Firefox I have (3.6.12) has the COMODO CA cert in it, as does IE8. I doubt it would be in IE6. I don't know what version of Firefox was the first to include it.

Safari 4.0.4 does not have the proper certificate installed. Again, I don't know which version of Safari would first have the proper certification. Matt tells me that recent versions of Safari on iPhone and iPad have the correct certificates.

Recent versions of Chrome appear to have the proper certificate. However the Google browser on my Android phone does not.

If your browser doesn't have the correct certificate, you can verify that the one you have is correct by viewing the certificate. If the certificate has following properties, you've got the right one.

* Issued to Common Name devcomm.urel.berkeley.edu
* Issued by Common Name COMODO High-Assurance Secure Server CA
* Serial Number 00:E2:95:17:C5:2F:C2:72:C1:8B:10:08:65:A2:E0:55:E2
* SHA1 Fingerprint 4F:8F:C7:66:9E:1E:04:D1:A9:60:4D:A1:7F:8D:91:0E:6D:90:34:3D
* MD5 Fingerprint D9:49:A1:D3:28:86:9D:41:B4:F9:11:BE:D8:BB:44:5B

Once you're sure you have the right certificate you can safely grant an exception.

Eric
716) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1051583)
Posted 28 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I hear their next attack will be in Pasadena.


I certainly hope so.
717) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1051577)
Posted 28 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:



70-23. That's pretty much what it looked like. No wildcats to be found.
718) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1051034)
Posted 25 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

These aren't the droids you're looking for.


Ho ho ho. Ya koo tocha ka poonoo nee sok nyee.
719) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1051018)
Posted 25 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Eric is the Boss. Angela lets him say so. *duck*


No need to duck. You know you're not wrong. That doesn't mean I can't yank her (ball and) chain occasionally.
720) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1051012)
Posted 25 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Either that, or I'm just better at winning.

Perhaps allowing you to think you are winning has some strategic advantages for me.

Or allowing you to think you are letting me win has advantages for me.
721) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1050995)
Posted 25 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Are you suggesting that you are more competitive than Angela?


Either that, or I'm just better at winning.
722) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1050986)
Posted 25 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

(I've been told once or twice that I may be a touch competitive...)


No, my love, you're not competitive at all. If you were, I wouldn't win all the time.
723) Message boards : News : Dr. Masaki Morimoto, Japanese SETI pioneer, has died. (Message 1048901)
Posted 16 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dr. Masaki Morimoto, a SETI pioneer and one of the fathers of Japanese radio astronomy, passed away this morning at the age of 78. He suggested the frequency L11->L10 transition of formaldehyde (4.83GHz) as a possible magic frequency for extraterrestrial communications. He was active participant in SETI searches up to the present, and influenced many younger researchers. He will be missed.
724) Message boards : Cafe SETI : When are the new servers going to be installed (Message 1048713)
Posted 15 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The server's arrived today, so we gotta give them time to get them set up and running. I would guess probably 2 weeks, give or take a few days.


That's exactly what I was going to say.


You mean they aren't plug and play?? What kind of a deal is that?? :-)


Still waiting for HP to package MSsetiathome


It's even worse than that. Plug one of these into the wrong UPS, and you could trip the UPS breaker, or worse the entire wall circuit. So while one of us is doing software config and install, another will be updating the power management plan for the server closet so we don't put too much load in one place. Doesn't help that the building didn't get the best power distribution design for this sort of thing.
725) Message boards : Cafe SETI : When are the new servers going to be installed (Message 1048706)
Posted 15 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The server's arrived today, so we gotta give them time to get them set up and running. I would guess probably 2 weeks, give or take a few days.


That's exactly what I was going to say.
726) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1048277)
Posted 14 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hello? Long distance dedication line?

I'd like to return the favor and dedicate Moon Dance to my loving wife, because I know it's the only kind of "Dancing with the Stars" that she watches.

Love you more, Pooks.
727) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1047843)
Posted 12 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela, we all assumed you had a body like that with a mind like yours.

And that, my friend, is the beauty of the internet. Dream on!!!


Your body is exactly like that, dear. Now stop hitting me on the back of the head!
728) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1047191)
Posted 9 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Try New Astronomer Toes!

"They're not just for supper anymore"


Trust me, not even raccoons would want the flavor of my socks. The odor alone was investigated by the army as a non-lethal weapon. Unfortunately, it turned out to be too lethal. On the 11th, please remember the unfortunate servicemen that were involved in those tests.
729) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1047007)
Posted 8 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Now that the time has changed, it will be light out before I go outside. Nyah Nyah.
730) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1045404)
Posted 1 Nov 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


In the village, the peaceful village...

Eva naps in Angela's Halloween village. Yes, she has a Halloween village. I'm a lucky man, I am.
731) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1045153)
Posted 31 Oct 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Angela's busy tonight cleaning up the kids for Halloween.
732) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Astropulse / Radar Blanking / Downtime (Message 1044583)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Frizz,

I had exchanged a few messages with Josef Segur about this a while back. I was hoping that the use of the new software radar blanker would render the blanker in the client totally unnecessary. I haven't actually had time to figure out if it has. I'll have to take a look at how often the client blanker kicks in and what the average fraction blanked is on recent workunits.

Eric
733) Message boards : Technical News : status : October 20, 2010 (Message 1043291)
Posted 20 Oct 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks for the idea, Richard. We'll be trying it out.
734) Message boards : Number crunching : Emergency fund drive for the project............. (Message 1041751)
Posted 13 Oct 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thank you all times 11,000. This really helps. We'll be able to use this to either fix mork or (more likely) replace it with something reliable.

Thanks you all who donated, and to Mark who started this and the prior drive.

If you haven't donated, don't let this message convince you we have everything we need. Ptolemy (our main file server) crashed Monday, and thumper (which would be its replacement) might not be as stable as we thought it was.

On a related note, I'm off to write a proposal in hopes of getting some of your tax dollars. Not entirely optimistic about that, but if we don't try we'll never know.

Eric
735) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1041450)
Posted 12 Oct 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


That's awesome!

Steve


I agree entirely.
736) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1041449)
Posted 12 Oct 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yep Angela does attract a crowd of them Raccoons. :D



That does indeed look like our back yard.
737) Message boards : Technical News : recent woes (Message 1038940)
Posted 6 Oct 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The memory swap on mork didn't work, probably because at least one of the replacement DIMMS was bad. Jeff has suggested some more detailed memory tests next time mork is down. We're also considering replacing the power supplies in case the hangs are caused by power supply glitches.

Dan has contacted HP and Sun to see if they can give us a deep discount on a machine that could replace mork, hopefully deep enough that we can purchase it on what's remaining from the donations made in the Number Crunching threads.

[edit]I see now that Jeff had already posted an update. Oops[/edit]
738) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1037274)
Posted 30 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sweetums, where did you put the Visa card?


Dang! Left it at work. Did I mention that your computer might be having problems? That's what I get for building it out of parts of SERENDIP II.


739) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1037263)
Posted 30 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I'll propose a measure, say, oh... the purchase of new patio furniture. Discussion will ensue. The critters and I will vote. Eric will abstain. Measure passed. Domestic bliss ensured.

John, you are brilliant!



Just remember that wherever you want to buy patio furniture, I'll be the one that has to drive you there. If we accidentally end up at "Fred's Discount Stuff and Rust Sales," we'll just have to live with what we find there.
740) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update VI - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe! (Message 1036997)
Posted 29 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


And before you get any ideas, dear, I would veto this idea.
741) Message boards : Cafe SETI : International Talk Like a Pirate Day! (Message 1034683)
Posted 20 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Ye must find me booty first.
742) Message boards : Cafe SETI : International Talk Like a Pirate Day! (Message 1034677)
Posted 20 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thar she be. Gnawed on by th' bilge rats, but seaworthy.
743) Message boards : Cafe SETI : International Talk Like a Pirate Day! (Message 1034675)
Posted 20 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Methinks I put it in th' hold (den) sumwhere.
744) Message boards : Cafe SETI : International Talk Like a Pirate Day! (Message 1034672)
Posted 20 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Arg, me wench telled me t' come haar t' defend her honor. I'll tell ye once me finds it.
745) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Vote for Oscar {new server name} (Message 1032052)
Posted 9 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Eric-thanks for chiming in. I don't remember the specifics and I no longer have access to the Setiusa boards to reread the discussion. I really personally didn't have a concern but I know the Team Owner emailed you and you flat-out said no. That much I remember.


I have vague recollections, but I don't see anything in my old mail (which is unusual, since I keep just about everything going back to 1985 or so. Hardware included. An accidental loss. Maybe a character in an email address that my autosort couldn't handle.) I think the only things I would have vetoed were using the team name, or advertising something.

Then again, I have been known to change my mind. I can't claim that I ever was able to change Angela's mind, though.
746) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Vote for Oscar {new server name} (Message 1032003)
Posted 9 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Blurf,

I don't recall the prior request and what the name was, so you might have to remind me. I do know that we did name one server based upon donor request (bruno was a request, I believe, and perhaps ptolemy was as well). I think we had also named a NAS box on the request of the donor, but that name was only visible internally.

I don't see any reason that we would deny this request, but I haven't discussed it with Matt and Jeff (who is out sick today). But after Oscar, will we be naming future machines after Six-million Dollar Man characters or Sesame Street characters?

Eric
747) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick fundraiser for SETI's new server (Message 1031858)
Posted 8 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Welcome back, Mark!

I'm trying to get the full total from reading the thread. It's easier than figuring it out from the database since there's no way to separate these donations from others (Other than the $1000 donations). I think that it's $9000 including the donations of less than $1000. Can anyone check my math?

Where it ends up will set the amount of RAM that comes with it.

Thanks for all your donations!

Eric
748) Message boards : Number crunching : S@h_BETA 'faked'? I can't log-in with Firefox (Message 1031508)
Posted 7 Sep 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
David was doing some testing of using https to secure the login pages. He didn't realize that we have a self signed certificate which shows up as a warning in most browsers. He's stopped the testing until we by a certificate signed by a certification authority (CA).
749) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick fundraiser for SETI's new server (Message 1029790)
Posted 30 Aug 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Met some really neat people last night.. And from what I can remember had a great time. I think I dropped the check off too.




I handed the check and the "coffee upgrade account" to Matt today. Thanks much for coming down our way! We had fun at dinner. Angela's sorry you didn't get to meet the babies.

And many thanks to all the other donors, too. This server is going to help out a lot. Regarding additional RAM, I'll have to ask Matt and Jeff what they can afford at this point. The target was 48 (minimum) to 96 GB.

Eric
750) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Observation and hypothesis... (Message 1021343)
Posted 31 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We don't have cuckoos here, but we do have other birds that do the same (cowbirds). But the two I saw were recognizably towhees. Nothing else could be so nondescript and uninteresting and brown. Female cowbirds are a different nondescript brown and the males are black with a brown head.
751) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Observation and hypothesis... (Message 1021286)
Posted 31 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Ornithologist stalking LBJ in Kenya


I'm waiting for the next photo in the series.. "Lion stalking Ornithologist in Kenya"
752) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Observation and hypothesis... (Message 1021285)
Posted 31 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Some birds keep a little bit of feeding up, even if the chick should be able to fend for itself by then.


That's probably what I'm seeing then.


Unless that bird has a full set of surrogate mums and is doing the rounds getting far more than it would feeding itself :)


Yeah, it didn't seem very efficient. It was getting a millet seed every 15 seconds or so. Birds feeding themselves were getting one every two seconds or so.


753) Message boards : Number crunching : Why 0 Credit for this AP WU? (Message 1020954)
Posted 30 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=625954886

I spent about 30 hours of CPU time on it, and my wingman spent well over 100 hours of CPU on it.


The problem is that the wingman's machine is returning zero claimed credit and the validator is using the lower of the credit claims. We don't have a functioning astropulse validator with Davids new credit scheme yet. I thought we had fixed this, but there have been changes that might have reintroduced it. Anyway I was able to grant the proper claimed credit to the machine not claiming zero credit.

I'll try to fix the rest shortly.

Eric
754) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Observation and hypothesis... (Message 1020723)
Posted 30 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Interesting. We have thrushes, but that don't spend more than a couple seconds in one place, (other than North American Robins which are primarily vermivores/insectivores and don't spend much time in the yard.) Both the large and small ones were flying well. I didn't see any difference in skill. I'll have to see if they show up again tomorrow and if the larger one looks smaller.
755) Message boards : News : Don Backer has passed away. (Message 1019897)
Posted 27 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Don Backer, Berkeley professor and director of the Allen Telescope Array, passed away on Sunday, July 25th. Don was a very important contributor to radio astronomy and to the study of pulsars. He will be missed.
756) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Observation and hypothesis... (Message 1019846)
Posted 26 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I going to try to get back to posting on occasion now that (fingers crossed) the most stressful parts of the summer have ended. Today's post will be a quick one.

The last couple days I've seen a pair of California towhees (otherwise known as nondescript brown birds) eating seeds in the back yard. The larger of the pair was continuously peeping. Every once in a while the smaller of the pair would pick up a seed and feed it to the larger one.

Since I'm unable to stop being a scientist even on the weekends, I came up with two hypotheses for what I was seeing. The first hyphothesis was that the larger bird was what Angela would call an "apron strings" chick that was hanging around its mother even after it was full grown. The other possibility was the this was a towhee that figured out that if it peeped like a chick, females would offer to feed it. I knew a lot of guys like that when I was in college.

With the current internet there's no excuse for not knowing something. I did a really basic search around the web and didn't find much about towhee behavior, even though they're really common. I'm not that surprised. Who would want to spend a year living outdoors tagging and watching common nondescript brown birds? The nearest thing I found were reports of towhees seen trying to feed their reflections in windows. So maybe adults will feed adults under some circumstances.

So if any budding wildlife biologist is looking for a thesis project that has at least one person interested in the answer...


(California towhee. Image by Ingrid Taylar)
757) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 3 (Message 1019095)
Posted 24 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
# MAN: why did you get a divorce?
man:: Too many arguments.


On a modern unix system that would be

% man why did you give up online dating?
man: No match.
758) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 3 (Message 1019089)
Posted 24 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
make love

Of course that would be followed by

make clean

759) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 3 (Message 1019077)
Posted 24 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
FSCK the SOFTTALK. Let's have some SCSI talk.
760) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Puns O Fun 3 (Message 1018999)
Posted 24 Jul 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm not sure if I should enter the DISCussion. I'm not sure I can add anything ROMarkable.
761) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Angela's Birthday Thread (Message 998539)
Posted 24 May 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Let's all wish happy birthday to the crazy raccoon lady!

Happy Birthday, Pook!

May your day be filled with compliant children, and your night be filled with a backyard full of baby raccoons.

762) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update III - The Critter Cafe is Still Open (Message 994109)
Posted 5 May 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela's next career

Although I doubt a raccoon cafe would be "extremely hushed and peaceful."
763) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW # 115 (Gary/ Post #700 wins) (Message 993578)
Posted 2 May 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Bananas are dangerous.
764) Message boards : Technical News : Double crash... vader still down... (Message 991016)
Posted 22 Apr 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We had a couple of problems tonight. ptolemy, our main file server for user accounts went down at about 5:05pm. Of course that's 5 minutes after Matt and Jeff left, so that left me as the default sysadmin. They're both more patient than I am and are less likely to just pull the plug out of the wall.

So I rebooted ptolemy, and it crashed again about 5 seconds after it came back up. And again. And again. Eventually I figured out that vader was trying to do a lot of writes to ptolemy and that was causing the crash.

I couldn't get vader to respond to anything, so I just pulled the plug out of the wall. I tried a few times to restart it, but it just hangs during the boot process. So our assimilators are down, among other things. We may run out of work at some point.


Hopefully Matt or Jeff will fix it tomorrow.
765) Message boards : Cafe SETI : [Darth Vader Voice][/Darth Vader Voice] (Message 990573)
Posted 20 Apr 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Commander, tear this ship apart until you've found those plans and bring me the passengers! I want them alive!
766) Message boards : Cafe SETI : [Darth Vader Voice][/Darth Vader Voice] (Message 990315)
Posted 19 Apr 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sigmund Freud


Retentive.... Most Retentive....
767) Questions and Answers : Web site : Interesting Google Result (Message 985654)
Posted 31 Mar 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It appears that this is still residual spam from when the google cached versions of our pages were poisoned with Xanax spam. It doesn't appear that the word Xanax appears in any of the pages in the google cache (apart from some user profile spam), so I assume it will go away eventually.
768) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Some News . . . . NOT getting married (Message 983093)
Posted 24 Mar 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dave, if you (or anyone else) visit Berkeley, you need only ask to get a tour of the facilities here.

Just let us know your schedule with as much advance notice as you can.

Eric
769) Message boards : Technical News : Lesson #1, Never use the word "fixed" (March 17, 2010) (Message 980177)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Software RAID, so there's no battery backup of unwritten data. I'm guessing that the driver is very conservative and resyncs anytime there might be a question as to the status of the arrays.
770) Message boards : Technical News : Lesson #1, Never use the word "fixed" (March 17, 2010) (Message 980044)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thumper crashed around midnight, stopping anything that needed to talk to the science database. We're rebooting now, but it'll probably be several hours to resync the RAID arrays before we can turn work generation or result handling back on.
771) Message boards : Technical News : Maybe we're fixed? (March 16, 2010) (Message 979716)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
So, do I read into this that the "problem" may have been in the campus hardware in between the SETI closet and the rest of the world?



That is my (very limited) understanding of the most likely place. Or it could have been at the PAIX itself (lesser probability, I think).

The fact that I'm not sure is why I'm not the best person for tech news.
772) Message boards : Technical News : Maybe we're fixed? (March 16, 2010) (Message 979700)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm not the best person to do tech news, because much of the time I don't have a clue, but here's what's up.

The sudden upswing today maybe means we're back to full upload capability. Maybe when I get home, I'll see that my upload backlog has cleared. <hoping> Who knows if campus will tell us what the problem was. Hopefully it won't happen again this coming weekend.

Lando has been upgraded to FC11, but cat't run Astropulse splitters anymore until we build new ones. We're temporarily running an astropulse splitter on Thumper.

There are rumors of a potential upgrade to part of a gigabit link, but they are still rumors AFAICT.




773) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 975154)
Posted 1 Mar 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
More like: If anyone wants to deploy a script for personal use, they have to swallow /dev/random and then survive being thrown in /dev/null. Regardless of whether they survive or not, the answer is still "No!"
774) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 975044)
Posted 1 Mar 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
But *nix doesn't get hacked! Surely it must have been a Windows machine that caused all the problems...


There were two problems, neither unix specific. One was a developer. He wrote two scripts that didn't properly sanitize their parameters. The other was a configuration problem that allowed php to be run in any directory that the web server could see.
775) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 974809)
Posted 28 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I guess Matt hasn't had time to post updates. Part of the fix to the hack were changes to security settings for just about everything. That's probably what's messing up avatar changes. I'll let him know.

Another part is restricting who makes changes to security settings, so Matt will need to do the fix.
776) Message boards : Cafe SETI : New Logo Idea (Message 973656)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Gotta keep that telescope pointing up somehow...
777) Message boards : Cafe SETI : seti@home hacked? (Message 973432)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We are aware, and are going through the who-what-how-how much right now.

Looks like it came from Ukraine so far. But it's a dial-up pool so that doesn't narrow it down much.
778) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 973428)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Matt's still on board, but we're all a little overworked today, so he may not post tech news today (even though he's probably still working right now).
779) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 973139)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hopefully we'll get the remaining dropped packet problems sorted out today.
780) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 973063)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Tonight's database problem was caused by a bunch of queries to a certain forum thread hanging. I don't know yet whether this was an accidental or a deliberate denial-of-service attack. Probably accidental, but I'm checking it out anyway.
781) Message boards : News : Designer of the Arecibo telescope has passed away. (Message 973033)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
William E. Gordon, the designer of the Arecibo radio telescope, has passed away at the age of 92.
782) Message boards : Technical News : Out of the fire and into the pit of sulfuric acid. (Feb 19, 2010) (Message 971856)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Unfortunately Bob and Jeff brought the splitters and assimilators down to allow the RAID array to rebuild at full speed. That'll delay more work by a couple hours. Hopefully uploads are back to full speed by then.

Eric
783) Message boards : Technical News : Out of the fire and into the pit of sulfuric acid. (Feb 19, 2010) (Message 971816)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Gargh! The science database on thumper went down at 2am due to a filled root partition. One of the raid arrays on thumper lost a drive at about the same time, and uploads are still too slow.

I've fixed the first problem, a hot spare automatically fixed number 2 and will be working on number 3 now.

Happy Friday!

Eric
784) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sorry about the long outage.... (Message 969506)
Posted 10 Feb 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela's going through forum withdrawal. She noticed they weren't back up. She insisted I turn them on immediately. Apparently someone forgot to turn them back on after the outage.
785) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Cook's Corner (Message 965529)
Posted 23 Jan 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Let's not indict an entire cuisine based upon my father's cooking ability.
786) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Cook's Corner (Message 965520)
Posted 23 Jan 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think she's mistaking Norwegian food (most of my other half) for Finnish food. Lutefisk is Norwegian, dear.
787) Message boards : Cafe SETI : BEET's Give us a CAPTION XVII (Message 962121)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela was here.
788) Message boards : News : We started sending out our annual year-end donation drive mass e-mail (Message 956910)
Posted 17 Dec 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

How about an automated e-mail to individuals right before their green donation-star expires?


That's an addition that we've been planning, but haven't yet implemented. We also plan a message about 18 months after last donation as a reminder.

789) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : FAQ and comments about the Higley School District controversy (Message 953030)
Posted 7 Dec 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Doing that on one or two PCs probably won't get you a $1.6M lawsuit


True, but it can get you fired. Back in 2001, seventeen Tennessee Valley Authority employees got fired (and threatened with criminal charges) for installing SETI@home on their office computers.

That may be so, but it doesn't excuse the fact that applications where installed without permission.


I'm guessing that that will be the thrust of the lawsuits or criminal cases. The question that the judge or jury will have to decide (if, in fact it is shown that SETI@home/BOINC was was installed without the knowledge or approval of the District Administrator) is whether a school district IT Director needs permission to install software, or whether determining what software to install is a part of an IT Director's normal job functions.

At what level does installing software require permission? If the IT Director needs permission from the District Administrator, would the District Administrator need to go to the School Board for permission? Would the District Administrator need to contact the state Department of Education? Would the School Board need to put a referendum on the ballot? Would the Department of Education need to call the governor?
790) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : FAQ and comments about the Higley School District controversy (Message 952754)
Posted 5 Dec 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've fixed that oversight. The NASA grant is a relatively new thing. Together with the NSF grant they'll cover about 35% of our budget for the next year.
791) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : FAQ and comments about the Higley School District controversy (Message 952710)
Posted 5 Dec 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
if NASA and the National Science Foundation are funding S@H, why then they don't appear on the sponsors page?


They probably should be. They are mentioned at the bottom of the main seti@home page.

I'll clarify more a bit later.
792) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : FAQ and comments about the Higley School District controversy (Message 952163)
Posted 4 Dec 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've been getting a lot of questions and comments about the forced resignation of an IT administrator in the Higley School District in Arizona. There's a lot of misinformation flying around, mostly due to poor reporting. First lets start with the facts we know: NEZ (Brad Niesluchowski) was an IT administrator at Higley school district. He allegedly installed and ran BOINC and attached to the SETI@home project. The district alleges damages of $1.2M to $1.6M because of the use of SETI@home both due to wear and tear on the processors and electricity usage. Niesluchowski claims that the district administrator has a personal vendetta against him.

Category: Questions about SETI@home

Q. Do I need permission from my employer to run SETI@home on computers at work?

A. Yes! Of course! We've been saying that for 10 years, and despite what some bloggers have said, Niesluchowski wasn't the first person to lose his job over this. The first time was many years ago.

Q. Does SETI@home really cost that much to run?

A. The cost of running SETI@home is not zero. When a computer performs calculations, it draws more power than it does when it is idle. A typical desktop machine might draw about 60 watts more when active than when idle which is about the same as an incandescent light bulb. If run 24/7, that machine will consume an additional 525 kilowatt hours (kW*h) in a year. At an average cost of $0.12 per kW*h, that's $63.11 per year. That's pretty small compared to the cost of your computer, and maybe about the same as your monthly cable bill, but it's pretty big compared to the cost of can of soup. At that rate, you could spend $1.6M on power by running 25,000 computers for a year, or 5000 computers for 5 years. This is in addition to the power usage of an idle machine, which can also exceed 60 watts. If a school district really wants to save power and money it should implement a policy to turn off computers at night. If SETI@home cost them $1.6M as they state, they would have saved $3.2M if such a policy had been implemented.

Q. Does SETI@home damage your processor?

A. I am not aware of any study that indicates that fully utilizing a CPU's processing power for a long period of time will cause it to fail sooner than it normally would, provided that the CPU is kept in the normal temperature range for operation. A CPU's temperature us usually controlled by a heat-sink and fan. If the heat sink or fan fails a CPU can be damaged whether SETI@home is running or not. Most desktop computers emit an alarm sound if the CPU fan fails. Most laptops and some desktops have a thermal protection system that slows down the processor if it overheats. If your machine is running slowly, check the fan.

Q. Does BOINC or SETI@home interfere with electronic whiteboards or their software.

A. Nobody has reported such a problem. In the past several days I have had many teachers inform me that SETI@home works quite when on machines that also control electronic whiteboards. I think this could fall into the next category of "Bad Reporting." Many articles said that SETI@home was discovered on these computers while looking for the reason that electronic whiteboards were shutting down after periods of inactivity. I didn't see any that indicated that SETI@home was the cause of those shutdowns. Most likely the whiteboard device drivers or their control software were configured in a way that allowed the computer to shut off their power after a period of inactivity. It is my understanding that there are also a lot of inferior electronic whiteboards that have been sold to school districts that are required to accept the lowest bid when purchasing equipment. That is also a possibility.

Q. Did SETI@home slow down other software as was reported?

A. Probably not. If BOINC is configured not to run applications while the computer is in use, it should not cause a slowdown of other software. If there's one thing IT personnel like, it's blaming slow computers on viruses, spyware, or "too much stuff on the hard disk." That might be the case, but those are just a case of poor computer maintenance by the IT personnel which is the most common cause of slow school or work computers.

Q. Does BOINC and SETI@home prevent you from installing a firewall?

A. No. BOINC and SETI@home do not require that a computer not have a firewall, nor does it require holes in your firewall settings. BOINC and SETI@home use the same IP port used by web browsers. If your firewall allows you to use a web browser, you can run SETI@home. Remote access to BOINC (which allows you to control the BOINC client running on one computer from another) does require a single IP port to be opened, but this feature is disabled by default. The district administrator, Dr. Birdwell, is mistaken if she believes that BOINC is incompatible with firewalls.

Q. Dr. Birdwell says "You can't just press a button" to uninstall BOINC and SETI@home. Is that true?

A. It depends. Do you mean literally true? Then yes, most computers ship without an physical button labeled "Uninstall BOINC." To uninstall BOINC, you do the same thing you would do to to uninstall any program. On windows that means click the "Control Panel" icon in the Start Menu. Then double click on "Add or Remove Programs." Then select "BOINC" and click the "Remove" button. That's five mouse clicks, but the entire process takes less than a minute to accomplish. Not exactly a button push, but I wouldn't place it in the "difficult" category.

Q. Does running BOINC or SETI@home make your computer susceptible to viruses?

A. If you download official BOINC binaries through boinc.berkeley.edu and attach only to reputable projects there is very little danger of getting a virus from BOINC or the project. In fact we are not aware of any cases of a computer getting a virus through BOINC or SETI@home in our 10 year history. You are far safer running BOINC than you are reading your email.

Category: Just Plain Bad Reporting

Q. I saw an article that said that SETI@home caused $1.6M in damage to computers a school district. Is that true?

No. In that article the reporter either mistook the legal concept of "damages" with actual physical damage, or was such a poor writer that they couldn't explain the difference.

Category: Questions We Couldn't Possibly Answer

Q. Did Niesluchowski have permission from a prior administrator to run SETI@home or to take computers home from work?

A. I don't know. How could I know that?

Q. Did the school district confiscate NEZ's family computers along with the district computers?

A. Beats me. Since I don't see it in the articles, but in comments to the articles posted by readers, I doubt that you can lend it much credence.

Category: My Personal Opinions (not those of my employer, of the SETI@home project, or of its participants.)

Q. What do you think about the district administrator, Dr. Denise Birdwell's comment that "We support educational research and we would have supported cancer research but we however as an educational institutional do not support the search for E.T."?

A. I think that Dr. Birdwell's comment is insulting to me, to the University of California, and to the millions of people who have run SETI@home in the past 10 years. Dr. Birdwell is ill informed about SETI, SETI@home and volunteer computing. I think its likely the cancer research she claims to support would probably not be happening if SETI@home had not popularized volunteer computing.

I would point out to Dr. Birdwell that the University of California is a world renowned educational institution, and that regardless of her opinions, SETI@home is still the largest volunteer computing project on the planet. I will also gladly point out that the NASA Exobiology program and the National Science Foundation Astronomy division apparently do not agree with her assessment.

That said, I'm not at all upset about the bad press she is sending our way. There are a lot of school districts in the world, and she only runs one. However, I do wonder whether the Higley School Board agrees with the opinions she espouses so loudly.
793) Message boards : Cafe SETI : AVATAR PICTURES! (Message 946026)
Posted 9 Nov 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's time to change the avatar to one without a Halloween theme. Since we wouldn't want my sexy raccoon trophy wife to become un-outed....

794) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Are you a nerd? (Message 944536)
Posted 2 Nov 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm pretty sure reptilian is the correct answer, but no human had ever seen a live one outside of its armor. The must have had some wicked bioengineering skills, because high ranking cylons had extra brains grafted on.
795) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Are you a nerd? (Message 944390)
Posted 1 Nov 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I kept looking around for extra credit on the geek test, but I couldn't find any.

Am I the only person who still has the novelization of the original Battlestar Galactica pilot on his bookshelf? (In the novelization, Cylons weren't machines... How's that for trivia?)
796) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Halloween Zombie-Talk Thread (Message 944389)
Posted 1 Nov 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

What class did the Zombie Forum Moderator enroll in to help him deal with the phenomenal number of offensive and off-topic posts he was obligated to hide in the Seti Cafe?



Aaaaaaanger Management!


The thread is now closed. Happy Halloween!
797) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Are you a nerd? (Message 944112)
Posted 31 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Is that good? Or bad?
798) Message boards : SETI@home Science : weak test signals (Message 941831)
Posted 21 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll be blogging about this soon, I hope. It turns out that we don't need to inject weak test signals because there are plenty of weak harmonics of strong (RFI) signals in the data.
799) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Berkeley Telescope Building Workshop and Star Party (October 23 at 7pm) (Message 941774)
Posted 21 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The UC Berkeley Astronomy Department is holding a Telescope Building Workshop and Star Party on October 23 at 7pm in celebration of the International Year of Astronomy. If you would like to attend, details can be found here
800) Message boards : SETI@home Science : SETI@home in the News (Message 941772)
Posted 21 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
October 19, 2009 - SETI@home Project Scientist Eric Korpela discusses life in the universe in Galactic Watercooler Podcast #190. This is one episode in an arc relating to the late Carl Sagan's Cosmos series.
801) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW # XCIX (99!) (Message 940063)
Posted 15 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You should saber this moment.
802) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Halloween Zombie-Talk Thread (Message 939747)
Posted 14 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And if a Zombie wanted to climb a mountain, which would make sense?


Mount Saaaaint Helens.

What's a zombie's favortie Mike Meyers movie?
803) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Halloween Zombie-Talk Thread (Message 939325)
Posted 12 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Butaaaaaane!

Angela has a butane kitchen torch, but I don't let her use it unsupervised. Our fire insurance is just not that good.

Why did the Zombie give up on his diet?
804) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Halloween Zombie-Talk Thread (Message 938547)
Posted 9 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Insaaaane.

What kind of puppy did the zombie get?
805) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Halloween Zombie-Talk Thread (Message 938545)
Posted 9 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Haaaaanes.

Why did the zombie call the plumber?
806) Questions and Answers : Windows : I lost all my credits! (Message 937239)
Posted 1 Oct 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What's your cross project id? With that I can look up the old stats.

Eric
807) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update II - The Critter Cafe is Open (Message 936278)
Posted 27 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What scares me about raccoons......


Baylisascaris procyonis

http://tinyurl.com/yez8ftb

http://tinyurl.com/yc9ssku

We have a party of raccoons that come by our place to play in the giant tree, and there is a creek nearby. I do find raccoon poo in my yard.


Thanks for suitably scaring Angela. She had heard this before from a virologist friend at a party, but she was having too much fun to be terrified. Now she's convinced she has it and will die before Halloween.

It doesn't sound like it's that easy to catch, since there were only 11 reported human cases in the U.S. between 1980 and 2000. I think the key is not eating raccoon dung. I make it a point not to eat any kind of animal dung.
808) Message boards : Technical News : Blip (Sep 16 2009) (Message 934085)
Posted 17 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry, I didn't realize that the switch hadn't been implemented. I'll figure out how to do so.

Eric
809) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 933562)
Posted 15 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm not a big fan of "Cash for Clunkers" but far as I can recall the purpose of "cash for clunkers" was not to save gasoline, but to stimulate the economy. So we spent $3G to stimulate more than $20G in direct economic activity and an estimated $40G or so in economic feedback. That's significantly more than the estimated $6 to $9G of economic activity that a $10 per capita tax break would have generated.

Any fuel savings are a side benefit. Personally I don't think the fuel economy requirements for the cars eligible for cash for clunkers were strict enough.

Eric
810) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #96 (Message 931607)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You should be russian off to bed, too.
811) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #96 (Message 931602)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I want to go back to winning.


Sorry Uli, this thread has been hi-jacked and mugged!


You could just totaler up the points and see who won.
812) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #96 (Message 931600)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's been a ball, a kettle of laughs as it were, it really takes the cakes, but I need to get some sleep.
813) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #96 (Message 931597)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You have to approach situations like this gingerly.
814) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #96 (Message 931595)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm sure he never mint it that way.
815) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #96 (Message 931591)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Are you stirring up trouble, honey?


Don't try to cozy up to me dear!


Don't worry, I'm sure you have this pun war in the bag.
816) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #96 (Message 931584)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Are you stirring up trouble, honey?
817) Message boards : Number crunching : Output file exceeds size limit (Message 930884)
Posted 4 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Apparently we have some bad data headers on that data file. I'll see whether we should stop processing it more if theres good data after the bad spot.

Eric
818) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 930538)
Posted 3 Sep 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're hoping a box of disks from AO will show up tomorrow and we can get some work generated.
819) Message boards : Number crunching : Client detached - but not (Message 929151)
Posted 27 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I guess I misunderstood the problem in your other message. A detach/reattach might be the best option.

Now if I only knew why these problems happen.
820) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 929149)
Posted 27 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Al,

You shouldn't need to detach. I'll check our upload server. It's possible that something is wrong with it.

The fix to allow more WUs to machines should be enabled, but it may take a while to clear out the current counts.

Eric
821) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 929062)
Posted 27 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're in process of fixing this problem. I don't yet know why it reared it head only this week.

Eric
822) Message boards : Number crunching : Reached Daily Quota??????? (Message 928907)
Posted 26 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Whatever changes have happened were unintentional. There were no policy changes that I am aware of. What probably happened is that a "bug" was fixed in BOINC that led to a configuration parameter that was previously ignored being enforced. There have been a lot of changes to the BOINC scheduler recently. I'll inform David of the difference.

That said, there may come a point in time when the demand for work exceeds our network bandwidth or the rate at which data comes from the telescope. (It's certainly not that way today judging from the network graphs.) At that point we would have to decided whether to limit work so that everyone has a chance to get some. At that point, which is worse, a "No work available from project" message or a "daily quota exceeded" message? Which is more important, ensuring everyone can participate, or making sure the fastest machines that have signed up are fully employed? It's a decision we haven't had to make yet, but one we will probably need to make at some point. And regardless of how the question is decided, some people will be angry.
823) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update II - The Critter Cafe is Open (Message 926086)
Posted 14 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Apparently Comcast doesn't like flickr today.
824) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Galaxy evolution and supermassive black holes. Warning: potentially educational (Message 925894)
Posted 13 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Eric , I'm I correct ... that you and Dan are contributing scientific code to The Allen Telescope Array ??



Hi Byron,

Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope you're doing well. Dan is heavily involved with the instrumentation for the ATA. Whether that is code depends on where you draw the lines. I'd call it code, but Dan (coming from an electrical engineering background) might disagree. My contribution to that has been minuscule thus far.

Eric
825) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How to start another war... (Message 924412)
Posted 7 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The problem with a two party system is that so called moderates usually write the compromises.


I'm perfectly okay with a two-party system as long as the bands are good, and they have an open bar.


The two-party system is usually B.Y.O.B, and the entertainment is usually watching people knit.
826) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How to start another war... (Message 924377)
Posted 7 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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On second thought....

It can't be much of an accord, given that "Donnie" isn't much of a rock and roller, and "Marie" isn't all that country.


The problem with a two party system is that so called moderates usually write the compromises.

827) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How to start another war... (Message 924127)
Posted 6 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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This is still the War of 1812! I was hoping to resurrect the far more important war between Country music and Rock & Roll. The war didn't end with a peace treaty, but merely a ceasefire resulting from the Donnie and Marie accord of 1976.
828) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How to start another war... (Message 923647)
Posted 5 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Since my last blog posting successfully reignited the war of 1812, lets see if we can re-start another one. . .

Thesis: The indie/alterna/punk band "Gossip" (formerly "The Gossip") lets us know what the late 70s would have sounded like if Dolly Parton hadn't wasted her considerable talents (vocal) on country music.

Discuss amongst yourselves. Let the beatings begin!

;)
829) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922871)
Posted 1 Aug 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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The only time Canada was ever invaded was by Americans in 1812, and we all know the outcome of that little adventure.


You might find out that many Americans don't know the outcome of that little adventure. Or at least have a different interpretation of the outcome.
830) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922704)
Posted 31 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I have private insurance,it pays 80 percent with a maximum out of pocket expense of 2500 dollars per year, after that it pays 100 percent to a maximum of 1 million dollars per year.


The larger, and perhaps more important questions are 1) What is the lifetime maximum? 2) How much in expenses can you have before they decline to renew your policy? 3) Have you ever tried to use it through a major illness? 3) Since heath insurance rates are doubling every three years, how much longer will you be able to afford your insurance? 4) Since most people get their insurance through their employers, how much more increase can the employers stand before they start dropping health insurance as a benefit? When it reaches 25% of total payroll expenses? 50%?


2500 dollars in one year will not bankrupt me.


I know. You're probably paying at least half that per month for your insurance. In a couple years you'll be paying that every month. Doing nothing is not an option.

You are right, it would take far less money to provide health care to everyone than we currently spend on defense (which is more than the rest of the world spends, combined). I'm all for giving up our role as the world's police man. I think the rest of your party would disagree with you on reducing defense spending, though.

However, you are wrong about our GDP. In 2008, the U.S. GDP was 23.5% of the world total (according to the IMF). The CIA estimates it was only 23%, though. The numbers I can find for foreign aid are 26 billion for last year (with Israel and Egypt the biggest recipients). I have no problem cutting off non-humanitarian foreign aid (which is most of it). Your party might agree to cut aid to Egypt, but would insist of providing cash to Israel.

Most U.S. foreign aid doesn't go to feed and clothe the world. It goes to arm the world. But foreign aid is small potatoes, typically at less than half a percent of the budget. You can't balance the budget by reusing paper clips.
831) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922467)
Posted 30 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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In all fairness to our good neighbors to the north, was Canada recently invaded?
What happened to the other 6 provinces and 3 territories?


Shhhhh! Don't tell them. Ottawa has been trying to get rid of those trouble makers for years!
832) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922308)
Posted 30 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I also believe anything government can do,private industry can do better,cheaper,faster.


You can believe it, but that doesn't make it true. With health care, private industry has shown pretty conclusively that it cannot do it better, cheaper or faster. We spend more money on health care than most other first world countries and have worse outcomes. Private insurers will spend $30 to keep from having to pay for $10 worth of care. The reason that conservatives don't want a public option for health care is that they know it will be more affordable than private insurance, and people will use it. It was the shift from a primarily non-profit to a for-profit health care system that got us into this mess in the first place. (Even many of the current health care "non-profits" are just hiding profits.)

That's your opion and you have the right to it. I have seen 1'st hand the private sector doing it better,road construction comes to mind off the top of my head. Low bidder is accepted and everyone prospers because of COMPETITION.


And five years later, when the road needs to be redone because the low bidder didn't follow the specification for the road bed, a new low bidder will be found. When the SSL addition was built, the low bidder cut a few corners, like under-sizing the wire gauge while keeping the high current fuses. Can you say fire danger? The desire to be the low bidder often results in contractors deliberately using substandard materials or doing a half-assed job. And some conservatives have pushed through laws that have made it harder to choose anybody but the low bidder, even if they are on trial for the corners they cut on their last job.

And I wonder where the money for road construction comes from?


Try waiting in line in this country to get your drivers license renewed or even mail something, the indifference and apathy are quite infuriating.


When I try to mail something, I print an online address label and hand it to a postal carrier without waiting in line. When I renew my driver's license it is done by mail. I think it is nothing short of incredible that I can send a physical object a distance of 2600 miles in three days at a cost of 44 cents. FedEx will do the same thing for only $13.33. Is that better, cheaper and faster? I can't even send a fax at FedEx for 44 cents. Would you rather the Post Office be privatized so it can charge whatever the market will bear? Get ready for the $10 stamp.

If you want indifference and apathy, try to get help finding an item at Macy's. If you want to wait in a line, try to buy something there. But they are the only department store that is left on this side of the country, so they don't need to provide service. That's one reason why I shop online.

I'm not saying that government does everything better. I'm just saying that profit motive can be an impediment to efficiency and lower costs. Unless you consider making sure that sick people can't get care to be an efficiency booster.


I also notice the maple leaf on your flag. Not to sterotype, but just the opion I would have expected.


I note that he doesn't seem too unhappy with his health care system.
833) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922160)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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It's also true, in spite of what libertarian thought and corporatists tell us, one of the things government can do very well is take care of those in need.


Try telling that to the Hurricane Katrina victims.


Well part of the problem there was the Bush administration disassembling the existing government operated disaster response system and replacing it with private contractors that weren't really qualified or capable of doing the same job. For example the job of dispatching relief supplies went from the National Emergency Operations Center to one person who wasn't available 24/7. That policy was due to political leaders taking the concept that "the private sector can always do things better than government" as an article of faith.

From a 2004 (pre-Katrina) article entitled "A Disaster Waiting to Happen":

In June, Pleasant Mann, a 16-year FEMA veteran who heads the agency's government employee union, wrote members of Congress to warn of the agency's decay. "Over the past three-and-one-half years, FEMA has gone from being a model agency to being one where funds are being misspent, employee morale has fallen, and our nation's emergency management capability is being eroded," he wrote. "Our professional staff are being systematically replaced by politically connected novices and contractors."


President Reagan was famous for saying that the most frightening phrase in the English language is "I'm from the government and I here to help." A more frightening phrase is "I'm from the insurance company and I'm here to find a reason to deny you the coverage you paid for."
834) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922027)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Progressive taxation is an entirely different issue than health care.

IMHO, a progressive tax system recognizes that the marginal value of a dollar is much less to someone who makes a lot of them than it is to someone who makes minimum wage. Rather than worrying about making sure everyone pays an equal percentage, I'd rather have a tax code that makes sure that taxes cause everyone an equal amount of pain (and that the amount of pain caused be as low as possible while still providing the service a civil society requires).

Right now I'd guess the 12% Federal Income Tax that a single person making minimum wage full time (~$14,500) pays hurts a whole lot more than the 13.5% that Angela and I ended up paying last year, even though our 13.5% was a much larger number in total dollars.

Eric

835) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 921572)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I only had red fire extinguishers. Yellow is apparently required.
836) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 921551)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I'm fine, but it took a while to convince me and longer to convince the doctors of that.
837) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 921530)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Actually malpractice insurance is a fairly small part of total health care costs. Not that is is negligible, though.

Regarding what doctors earn, it varies greatly depending upon specialty. And if there's one thing I've learned it that people never consider themselves to be rich. In a recent article in Flying magazine, a regular columnist, who is a surgeon that owns an $800k airplane and considered purchasing a $3M airplane, recently complained in an article how much a hospital charged for his wife's appendectomy. I would guess he thinks he's just barely getting by.

Regarding the expense of medical school, I agree, it's too expensive, and that there aren't enough medical schools in the U.S. to train the number of doctors we need. (If you didn't get a 4.0+ GPA and put in a lot of volunteer hours as an undergraduate, you can probably forget medical school in the U.S.). The way around that is the open more medical schools, and maybe even subsidize them.

But even doctor's shouldn't equate "I spent a lot of money on school" to "I deserve at least $NNNk per year in salary." I spent 13 years in college and graduate school, and don't yet make a six figure salary. Nor do I think I'm entitled to one. But then again, if I was in it for the money I would have picked the career track "Fortune 500 CEO". If you don't think that's an easier career track, count the number of SETI Astronomers and compare it to the number of Fortune 500 CEOs.

But I'm going to stop talking about health care now, because I spent the weekend in the hospital.

Eric


838) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 920915)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Well the powers that be have already decided that we are going to have a market for health care. Single payer wasn't even invited to this party. But without the ability to choose a doctor or hospital or insurance company based upon real price and quality information and without the ability to change your choice at any time, it certainly won't be a fair one.
839) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 920862)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Angela also has millions in "professional liability" insurance. But since it's hard for a Speech Pathologist to kill anyone by trying to fix a lisp, the rates aren't that bad.
840) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 920861)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Well, what's being proposed here is really that. A less than half solution that isn't going to solve the problem and is going to make insurance companies rich. We're going to mandate that everyone have insurance. We're going to have a public plan to compete with private insurance, but only a small number of impoverished people will be eligible for that plan. Sounds like it's time to raise insurance rates to me!

The only hope is that it will eventually morph into something that can solve the problems. And in case I wasn't clear enough in my analogy the problems are:

1. There is no fair market for health insurance. Your choice of insurance is limited to those your employer contracts with, and (if self-employed) those that will accept you into their plan. Rather than creating a shared risk pool, the insurance companies create a pool of low risk applicants and charge them as if they were in a shared risk pool. If an applicants risk changes they are expelled into the ranks of the uninsured. In the future they will be expelled into the "public plan."

2. There is no fair market for hospital services. Doctors are locked by contract into getting services from a single provider. Hospitals do not advertise their charges, not do they advertise what rates the insurers are paying. The only way to find out what a hospital charges is to get billed.

3. There is no fair market for doctors. The insurers dictate which doctor you see. They artificially limit the pool of eligible doctors to in order to reduce the rates they pay. That's why it's impossible to find a specialist or even a primary care physician who is taking on new patients.

4. People don't know how much they are currently paying for insurance. Employers don't put it on your pay stub. The cost should be mandated to be on the paycheck. When people opt out* their gross pay should be increased by that amount. When people see how much they are already "taxed" for their health care they might not be so happy with their current plan.

* I am currently opted out of the UC's health insurance because I am covered under Angela's. It saves the project money. But beyond that, I get no benefit for refusing coverage.
841) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 920815)
Posted 23 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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People from the rest of the world may have noticed that we're having arguments about health care in this country. Some people say the current system is broken. Others are afraid to lose what health care they have. Some say that providing health care for the uninsured will be too expensive. Others say that we already are providing health care for the uninsured, but doing it in the most expensive way possible.

People outside of the U.S. probably don't understand what the difficulty is. So I'll provide a little analogy. Here's what fire insurance would be like if it ran like the U.S. health care system. I am basing this on my experiences with my own health insurance, which is considered to be a very good insurance plan.

Under this system fire insurance is provided by your employer, who gets a group discount from the insurance companies. Neither your employer nor the insurance company is allowed to disclose how much the insurance costs, because they both consider it a trade secret. Once a year, in November, you get the chance to change your fire insurance company if you are unhappy with them. But since you probably haven't had a fire, what is there to be unhappy about?

If you lose your job, you lose your fire insurance but the insurance company is required by law to allow you to pay an exorbitant sum to continue your insurance for 6 months. They will also allow you to buy a cheaper plan, which will replace your house with a tent if it burns down. By the way, the most common way to lose your job is to have a house fire.

If you are self employed or unemployed, you might be able to buy insurance. It will be much more expensive than the group plans that employers get. You will also be disqualified if you have had a fire in the past, smoke, or have been seen with matches or a cigarette lighter.

The way the fire insurance system works is that your insurance company will provide you a list of twenty fire inspectors. You are required to have a fire inspector in order to get access to a fire station. You will call all twenty and their secretaries will tell you that they aren't taking any new clients. You will eventually get taken on by one of them because your mother is one of his clients.

The inspector is paid a flat fee per year per client by the insurance company. He gets paid this amount whether he inspects your home or not. Each time he does inspect your home he might get a small payment from the insurance company, but you need to give him a $20 additional payment. This is to encourage you not to get your home inspected. If your home has apparent problems that need further investigation, the inspector does not get additional payments from the insurance company. If your home needs repairs to prevent a fire, the insurance company will pay for them, but the inspector might get charged a fee for referring you to a contractor. This is to encourage your fire inspector not to refer you to a contractor to perform repairs.

The fire inspector contracts with a fire station to handle emergencies. It might not be the closest fire station to your home. None of the firefighters working at the fire station are employees of the fire station. They are all independent contractors who are paid by the person who has a fire, or by the insurance company. The only employees at the fire station are the 35 people they have on staff to handle billing the 65 insurance companies that they contract with.

If you have a fire, the first thing you do is call your fire inspector. If he agrees that there is a fire, he will call the insurance company to get authorization to call the fire station. Some fraction of the time these authorizations will be denied.

When the fire station gets the call they will also call the insurance company for authorization. When each fireman gets to the house, they will ask for a copy of your insurance card before putting out the fire. If any of the people involved forgets to get authorization, they won't be paid by the insurance company. They will either bill you, or eat the expenses.

Fortunately it was just a minor fire entirely contained in a frying pan. After the fire has been put out, and a contractor has started repairs, you will receive a bunch of bills that have "THIS IS NOT A BILL" written on them. You will get one from each fireman, one from the fire station, one from your fire inspector, one from the contractor who is repairing your house and one from each of the construction workers the contractor has hired. They will come with a reply envelope for sending in a payment. This is to encourage you to accidentally pay them. The bills will be for outrageous amounts that represent several years of your salary. Even the construction workers will be billing you several hundred dollars per hour. The fire station will be billing you ten thousand dollars for the water that came out of the fire hose from the public fire hydrant and a thousand dollars for the initial phone call.

If you belong to one of the group fire insurance plans offered by your employer, you are lucky. After about 6 months you will get notice that they have paid all of the bills for about 30% of the billed amount. Some items they will disallow, like the bill for fire hydrant water. You aren't responsible for paying those, either. Some of the time, the insurance company will decide to de-authorize the fire fighting. Usually it involves the insurance company not having evidence that the fire wasn't caused by an alien death ray. Alien death rays are not a covered benefit.

If you are unlucky enough to have an individual plan and it's not a bad fire, that will probably happen as well. If it's a bad fire, the insurance company will claim you were never insured, that the fire call wasn't pre-authorized, or that on your "fire history" form you forgot to mention that your grandfather smoked.

If you are uninsured, or if your insurance company refuses to pay, you'll have to pay those exorbitant bills, skip town and use an alias, or go bankrupt.

Why were the bills so high to begin with? There are a few reasons for that. There's a lot of overhead to running a fire station. You need to pay those 35 people who handle billing. Since there are 65 contracts each with different rates of payment, you need 35 people to handle billing. Every firefighter is also paying two or more people to handle billing. It's important to have these people since the insurance companies are trying to underpay you and you are trying to get them to overpay. Every dollar they save is a dollar in profit for them. Every extra dollar they pay is a profit for the fire station. In addition the fire fighters salary comes out of charge, so if they handle 50 fires a year and want a $200k income, that's $4000 per fire in salary alone. Add another $3000 for a secretary and two billing clerks, and that's $7000 per fire before overhead.

By law, a fire station needs to respond to fires of the uninsured. Most of those bills don't get paid, so the unpaid charges are worked into the billing rates. That boost the bills further. The amounts billed might even be different depending upon your insurance company. How much it really costs to provide these services is considered a trade secret by the fire station. The amounts the insurance company pays is considered to be a trade secret by both the insurance company and by the fire station.

So now there is talk of reforming the fire insurance system because it's gotten more expensive to buy the insurance than it is to buy the house it protects. Of course huge profits are made in fire insurance, so the insurance companies don't want that. The opponents are raising the usual talk about not being able to choose your fire inspector, and how we wouldn't want fire departments run by the government because government can't do anything right. That would be socialism, and we all know socialism leads to totalitarianism. We wouldn't want the government telling us how to fight fires and what construction materials were safe to use. Of course, the U.S. fire fighting system is the best in the world and there's no need for improvement. And it would be too expensive to provide fire fighting services to everyone. It's not like a government mandate to have fire insurance before you could buy a house would ever be practical. And people wouldn't be able to contract with fire stations that put out fires with xenon gas to avoid water damage because the government will think it's too expensive.

But somehow the rest of the world is able to provide low cost fire fighting at reasonable cost without slipping into totalitarianism. The major problem the opponents of government sponsored fire fighting have is that it might work. And if it works, it will necessarily cut the profits of the insurance companies, the fire stations, and firefighters might have to become salaried employees rather than contractors.
842) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (21) Server problems (Message 920440)
Posted 22 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Probably not before Monday when Matt and Jeff get back.

P.S. I should just stop saying we're working. We're maxed out again.
843) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (21) Server problems (Message 920424)
Posted 22 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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In theory the dam has broken. Only half of the upload connection slots are currently in use.

Eric
844) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (21) Server problems (Message 920349)
Posted 22 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Well, that appears to have worked for about 10 minutes. :(
845) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (21) Server problems (Message 920335)
Posted 22 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Apparently apache ignores the fcgi configuration settings if you use <VirtualHost> and resets them to the defualt. So you need to replicate all of the fcgi configuration options within the <VirtualHost> environment.

This is contrary to what the documentation indicates.

846) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (21) Server problems (Message 920330)
Posted 22 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Three days of fiddling with apache configuration settings, and maybe, just maybe I've found something that will help uploads. Cross your fingers and toes...
847) Message boards : Number crunching : Server problems (Message 919567)
Posted 20 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Upload server is back up. Still diagnosing mysql problem.
848) Message boards : Number crunching : Server problems (Message 919562)
Posted 20 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Looks like another mysql brain fart, although that's a preliminary diagnosis.
849) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (21) Server problems (Message 919559)
Posted 20 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Had other things to deal with today, but I'm back on it.
850) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 918297)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I made a small change that tripled our upload bandwidth. The change is to quickly drop excess connections rather than let them wait in the TCP queue.



We were doing this last week, but apparently Matt turned it off. IDK why. Matt is on vaca now.
851) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beet's Give Us a Caption XII (Message 917214)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I've got something on my mind, but I don't quite know what it is.
852) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beet's Give Us a Caption XII (Message 915210)
Posted 7 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Just add water and you've got yourself a boat!
853) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric Korpela July 3'th... (Message 914575)
Posted 6 Jul 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Thanks all for the Birthday wishes! It's been a long and difficult weekend, and I'm looking forward to getting back to the simplicity of work.

Eric
854) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Galaxy evolution and supermassive black holes. Warning: potentially educational (Message 903278)
Posted 3 Jun 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Ellipical galaxies have been stripped of all of their gas and dust, so there is little or no new star formation in them. The stars they contain tend to be old and faint. Since (we think) planet formation requires a high abundance of heavy elements that are made in stars, whether there are planets depends on how long ago the gas and dust was stripped.

Spiral galaxies have lots of gas and dust and star formation is still going on in most of them, so the heave element abundance tends to be higher. So you're probably more likely to find planets in spirals. And if planets are necessary for life, that would make spiral galaxies a better place to look.

855) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Galaxy evolution and supermassive black holes. Warning: potentially educational (Message 903037)
Posted 3 Jun 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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You never know what's going to show up in your inbox. Today, out of nowhere, someone sent me a question about the relationship between elliptical and spiral galaxies and whether one turns into the other. Since it's a good question and the response shows the interrelatedness of different parts of astronomy, I figured I'd post the response.

As a refresher to the average SETIzen, a spiral galaxy looks like this:



and an elliptical galaxy looks like this:



There are a lot of differences between elliptical galaxies and spirals, but I'm only going to discuss one here. And, of course, what I'm saying isn't exactly accurate because I'm using a language besides math.

Here's the question:

... if the energy levels of [stars in] elliptical galaxies were generally higher than those of a spiral galaxies, could ellipticals "decay" to become spirals?


Here's my answer:

We do think about galaxies in terms of energy, but a better analogy might be temperature. An elliptical galaxy is "hot", all the stars are orbiting in random directions the way atoms in a hot gas move. A spiral is "cold", with most of the stars orbiting in the same direction at roughly the same speed. In the current epoch, galaxies tend to evolve from "cold" to "hot." When galaxies merge, the energy of the collision tends to go toward randomizing the orbits of the stars, and so you will probably end up with an elliptical galaxy after you've had a bunch of mergers. The centers of dense galaxy clusters tend to contain giant elliptical galaxies that are probably the result of mergers of hundreds of galaxies. These processes are often the subject of supercomputer modeling efforts.

If the Milkyway and the Andromeda galaxy merge, the result will probably be an elliptical galaxy.

It's harder for galaxies to evolve the other direction, because it's hard to get rid of the accumulated energy. An atom with an electron in a high energy level can emit a photon in order to get rid of the energy, but the only thing a galaxy can emit in order to get rid of excess energy is stars. And they do emit stars, but it's hard to put very much energy into a single star so the process is fairly slow. It's similar to evaporation. In an evaporating liquid, the fast moving atoms in the liquid can escape, which removes energy from the liquid, causing it to cool. In an elliptical galaxy, if three or more stars make a close approach to one another, one of the stars might get accelerated to high speed, while the remaining ones slow down.

If the fast star is fast enough, it might be moving at a speed greater than the galaxy's escape velocity. If it escapes, it'll take its kinetic energy with it, which will "cool" the galaxy slightly. Because the remaining stars aren't moving as quickly the galaxy will shrink slightly.

Because this process requires close approaches between stars, it happens most quickly where the stars are the closest together, which is in the center of the galaxy (the core). This causes the core to lose energy rapidly, which causes it to shrink, and if the remaining stars get close enough together, you might form a supermassive black hole. We do tend to find supermassive black holes in the
centers of most every galaxy large, and this may be how they form.

Given enough time (hundreds or thousands of times the current age of the universe), you'll probably end up with a large fraction of the stars having fallen into the black hole, and the rest scattered throughout intergalactic space.
856) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Crazy Raccoon Lady B'day Thread (Message 899069)
Posted 24 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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This one takes the cake.
857) Message boards : Cafe SETI : ustream.tv SETI Anniversary webcast (Message 898316)
Posted 22 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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But my talk was the best part! Especially when I brought out what's left of the bodies. It's amazing what 62 years will do to a body, but most of the distinguishing features are still there.
858) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How Spock and Sylar are related. (Message 897639)
Posted 21 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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I haven't examined her as closely as Ashton Kutcher has, but from a distance she always struck me as female.
859) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 10th anniversary T-shirts (How to order) (Message 897638)
Posted 21 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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Be sure to save an a couple XLs for me. I'll ask the rest of the crew to make their desires known.
860) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How Spock and Sylar are related. (Message 897399)
Posted 20 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
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That's not even hard! I can think of two links. Kevin Bacon was in "A Few Good Men" with Tom Cruise, a known alien, who jumped up and down on Oprah's sofa. Demi Moore, who is apparently an immortal, was also in "A Few Good Men."
861) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How Spock and Sylar are related. (Message 897040)
Posted 19 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
She'll have Mr. T on her show discuss it alright. But unfortunately, Oprah herself is a Cyberdyne Systems Model T675 terminator that was sent back in time to kill Mr. T, because Mr. T is capable of preventing Skynet from coming on line.
862) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 10th anniversary T-shirts (How to order) (Message 896832)
Posted 19 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've talked it over with Uli, and the best way to pay for the T-shirts is via Paypal to my paypal account. I think the only info you need, in order to pay, is my email address. korpela -AT- ssl.berkeley.edu

To order, you should PM Uli with your shipping address, she'll give you a total including shipping and paypal fees (2.9% + $0.30 USD). Then send funds via paypal to me, and I'll let Uli know that you've paid.

Anything you send beyond the cost of the shirts+shipping+fees will be donated to the project.

P.S. Everyone should send a big thank you to Uli for arranging this and getting the shirts printed and handling the shipping.
863) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How Spock and Sylar are related. (Message 895808)
Posted 17 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
But the Matrix was just a holosuite simulation run at Quark's bar.
864) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How Spock and Sylar are related. (Message 895729)
Posted 17 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think that's clear evidence that Amanda and Elizabeth Graycen are the same person, and that a 22nd century warp field experiment was responsible for sending her back to about 840AD where she took the place of a non-immortal named Amanda, whom she closely resembled. That doesn't explain how she came to be immortal or how she managed to live to the 22nd century with her head still attached while all the other immortals were killed. Maybe she hadn't died the first time before the warp field experiment sent her back in time to become Amanda.

Doesn't seem to be much of a genetic explanation for the immortality seen in the Highlander series, so the immortality is probably unrelated to her Vulcan heritage.
865) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How Spock and Sylar are related. (Message 895506)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Obviously the actress is related to Spock and Tarzan. Do we know Amanda's original family name? Is it possible she is playing herself, and that she ended up in the past due to a time travel accident?
866) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mark your calendar for the Seti 10th Anniversary Party (Message 895313)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
OK, as soon as we get enough donations to afford wallets.
867) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW (The V Club) #85 (Message 895303)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Admin FTW!
868) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How Spock and Sylar are related. (Message 895234)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What year was she born, and what year did she first suffer a "fatal" injury?
869) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mark your calendar for the Seti 10th Anniversary Party (Message 895198)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Soon as we get enough donations to afford the greens fees.
870) Message boards : Team Recruitment Center : Directions to Anniversary Picnic, May 23, 2009 (Message 895197)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The SETI@home Anniversary Picnic/BBQ will be Saturday, May 23, from 11am to 3pm at the Willows Picnic Area in Tilden Park.

Uli is making her world famous potato salad. I'm BBQing sausages. Bob is bringing jerked pork. Angela is baking cookies ... lots of cookies.

The Willows Picnic Area is on South Park Drive in Orinda, CA according to Google Maps. You can get directions here. Click on "Entrance" and then select "Get Directions". That will take you to the intersection South Park Drive and Grizzly Peak Blvd. Head down South Park Drive. Take the second left off of South Park Drive to find the Willows Picnic Area.

Beware, if you ask for directions to the BBQ Pit or Rest Rooms, Google Maps will expect you to walk a couple miles cross country.

If you're planning to attend, be sure to RSVP in this thread.
871) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Directions to Anniversary Picnic, May 23, 2009 (Message 895195)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The SETI@home Anniversary Picnic/BBQ will be Saturday, May 23, from 11am to 3pm at the Willows Picnic Area in Tilden Park.

Uli is making her world famous potato salad. I'm BBQing sausages. Bob is bringing jerked pork. Angela is baking cookies ... lots of cookies.

The Willows Picnic Area is on South Park Drive in Orinda, CA according to Google Maps. You can get directions here. Click on "Entrance" and then select "Get Directions". That will take you to the intersection South Park Drive and Grizzly Peak Blvd. Head down South Park Drive. Take the second left off of South Park Drive to find the Willows Picnic Area.

Beware, if you ask for directions to the BBQ Pit or Rest Rooms, Google Maps will expect you to walk a couple miles cross country.

If you're planning to attend, be sure to RSVP in this thread.
872) Message boards : Politics : Directions to Anniversary Picnic, May 23, 2009 (Message 895194)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The SETI@home Anniversary Picnic/BBQ will be Saturday, May 23, from 11am to 3pm at the Willows Picnic Area in Tilden Park.

Uli is making her world famous potato salad. I'm BBQing sausages. Bob is bringing jerked pork. Angela is baking cookies ... lots of cookies.

The Willows Picnic Area is on South Park Drive in Orinda, CA according to Google Maps. You can get directions here. Click on "Entrance" and then select "Get Directions". That will take you to the intersection South Park Drive and Grizzly Peak Blvd. Head down South Park Drive. Take the second left off of South Park Drive to find the Willows Picnic Area.

Beware, if you ask for directions to the BBQ Pit or Rest Rooms, Google Maps will expect you to walk a couple miles cross country.

If you're planning to attend, be sure to RSVP in this thread.
873) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Directions to Anniversary Picnic, May 23, 2009 (Message 895190)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The SETI@home Anniversary Picnic/BBQ will be Saturday, May 23, from 11am to 3pm at the Willows Picnic Area in Tilden Park.

Uli is making her world famous potato salad. I'm BBQing sausages. Bob is bringing jerked pork. Angela is baking cookies ... lots of cookies.

The Willows Picnic Area is on South Park Drive in Orinda, CA according to Google Maps. You can get directions here. Click on "Entrance" and then select "Get Directions". That will take you to the intersection South Park Drive and Grizzly Peak Blvd. Head down South Park Drive. Take the second left off of South Park Drive to find the Willows Picnic Area.

Beware, if you ask for directions to the BBQ Pit or Rest Rooms, Google Maps will expect you to walk a couple miles cross country.

If you're planning to attend, be sure to RSVP in this thread.
874) Message boards : Number crunching : Directions to Anniversary Picnic, May 23, 2009 (Message 895188)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The SETI@home Anniversary Picnic/BBQ will be Saturday, May 23, from 11am to 3pm at the Willows Picnic Area in Tilden Park.

Uli is making her world famous potato salad. I'm BBQing sausages. Bob is bringing jerked pork. Angela is baking cookies ... lots of cookies.

The Willows Picnic Area is on South Park Drive in Orinda, CA according to Google Maps. You can get directions here. Click on "Entrance" and then select "Get Directions". That will take you to the intersection South Park Drive and Grizzly Peak Blvd. Head down South Park Drive. Take the second left off of South Park Drive to find the Willows Picnic Area.

Beware, if you ask for directions to the BBQ Pit or Rest Rooms, Google Maps will expect you to walk a couple miles cross country.

If you're planning to attend, be sure to RSVP in this thread.
875) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Directions to Anniversary Picnic, May 23, 2009 (Message 895179)
Posted 16 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The SETI@home Anniversary Picnic/BBQ will be Saturday, May 23, from 11am to 3pm at the Willows Picnic Area in Tilden Park.

Uli is making her world famous potato salad. I'm BBQing sausages. Bob is bringing jerked pork. Angela is baking cookies ... lots of cookies.

The Willows Picnic Area is on South Park Drive in Orinda, CA according to Google Maps. You can get directions here. Click on "Entrance" and then select "Get Directions". That will take you to the intersection South Park Drive and Grizzly Peak Blvd. Head down South Park Drive. Take the second left off of South Park Drive to find the Willows Picnic Area.

Beware, if you ask for directions to the BBQ Pit or Rest Rooms, Google Maps will expect you to walk a couple miles cross country.

If you're planning to attend, be sure to RSVP in this thread.
876) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How Spock and Sylar are related. (Message 894710)
Posted 14 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
No points for Vulcan spies inhabiting the Earth before "First Contact?"
877) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Astronomical Jury Duty (Message 894312)
Posted 13 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It is a struggle, but I would like to think that serious scientists (like you) would be better at that sort of thing than filthy capitalists and their lackey running dogs (like me).


Scientists are humans, too. Well, most of the ones I know are.

The rules are set up pretty well to avoid conflicts of interest. Proposers can name people who they don't want to review the proposal which can help avoid true enemies from killing each other's work. In addition, nobody reviewing the proposal is competing for a share of the same pot of money, and you aren't allowed to review proposals from your own institution or those of recent collaborators.

878) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update (Message 894132)
Posted 13 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That's Thing One in the background, staying out of Cilantro's way.
879) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How Spock and Sylar are related. (Message 894009)
Posted 12 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Spock's mother's name is Amanda Grayson. She is a direct descendant of Richard Grayson, noted acrobat and crime fighter, ward of Bruce Wayne. Richard Grayson was a descendant of the famed John Clayton, Viscount Greystoke, via a grandson named William Grayson (nee Clayton) who dropped the Clayton name to avoid the notoriety that would come from being a descendant of Tarzan. William's brother Henry did the same, but chose the name Gray. Henry is the great grandfather of Gabriel Gray aka Sylar.

What is not commonly known is that the "John Clayton" found living the jungle among the apes was not, in fact, the child of the prior Viscount Greystoke, but in fact a marooned Vulcan named Stoek. The people who found Stoek mistakenly assumed that by pointing at himself and identifying himself (in Vulcan) as "Stoek, son of T'zan" he was identifying himself as Tarzan of the house of Greystoke. Stoek found this a convenient fiction to allow him the resources to attempt to contact Vulcan. By the time he did so, he was quite involved in a personal relationship and the politics of Earth, and was requested by the Vulcan science academy to remain on earth as an observer prior to eventual first contact.

And people say I'm losing touch with reality...
880) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mark your calendar for the Seti 10th Anniversary Party (Message 893735)
Posted 11 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Bob is in, and is bringing some of his famous jerked pork.

So now we've got the entire staff with the exception of Jeff and Josh.

Eric
881) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Astronomical Jury Duty (Message 892761)
Posted 8 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
A few weeks back, I got a jury duty notice. But I had to reschedule for the fall because I had already committed to jury duty of a different kind: Astronomical Jury Duty.

The way government funding of the sciences works in the U.S. might not be the way most people think it does. You don't typically call up your congress people and ask them to insert a line item into the federal budget. Although that can be lucrative if done right, it won't earn you to many friends among your colleagues. There are still hard feelings about such an event that happened a few years ago and ended up threatening funding to a lot of worthwhile programs; our beloved Arecibo was among them and is still threatened.

The more typical way is to submit proposals to the agencies that fund the sort of science you want to do. In our case those agencies are NSF and NASA. One way that NSF and NASA evaluate which proposals to fund is to assemble a review committee of scientific peers. In essence it's a jury, and part of the unpaid duties of a scientist (in addition to reviewing papers before publication) is to serve on these committees. So I was sent a pile of proposals and summoned to Washington. I can't tell you which committee I was on, or what the subject matter was, but that I was on a committee is considered public knowledge and is subject to FOIA requests.

It makes sense that people who understand the field are the best ones to evaluate proposals. But in some ways it's a little strange. The people you are reviewing are competitors to some extent. Imagine if you made doohickeys and wanted to sell some to the government. Would you be happy if the government flew all the other doohickey manufacturers to DC so they could give their opinions of your doohickeys? Well it's strange, but it seems to work.

Typically, it seems, that the agency is able to fund 20% of the proposals to the program I was reviewing. Last year was bad, only 15% of the proposals we funded. This year, with some help from the economic stimulus package, they're hoping to do much better.

Oh, and one of our proposals(*) was funded, which will help make up for some of the reduced level of donations we've been getting. Won't make up for all of it, so we'll still be operating with the same level of personnel.



(*) Different government agency. It's not like they let us review our own proposals. ;)
882) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mark your calendar for the Seti 10th Anniversary Party (Message 892410)
Posted 7 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

So far David is a yes, and I assume he's bringing Erica and Noah.
Dan will be there with Mary Kate and Will.
Matt will be there probably with Jenya.


Don't know about Bob yet.

883) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update (Message 890704)
Posted 3 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Unlike space-astrophysicists, wild speech pathologists are great. Just don't let your wife catch you with one.
884) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update (Message 890335)
Posted 1 May 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Please do not encourage the crazy raccoon lady.

885) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mark your calendar for the Seti 10th Anniversary Party (Message 885730)
Posted 16 Apr 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Angela and I will be there. David says he's in. I'll let you know about the rest of the crew.
886) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Removing background image (Message 883421)
Posted 8 Apr 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think you may need to set it to blank and then go into your BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/ directory and erase the background_1239204464 file.

Resetting the project would also probably do the job.

Eric
887) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Anniversary stuff (Message 881562)
Posted 2 Apr 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Took me a bit more than a week to post again. It's been a long one. Tomorrow I get dressed in a suit, because a NASA review panel is here. Not for SETI@home, but for the Neutral Ion Coupling Explorer, a small satellite project I've been working on for the last 6 months or so. It's part of the down-select process for this opportunity, so I hope we get the thumbs up.

On to the SETI@home 10th anniversary. On that front, there's good news and potentially bad news. The good news is that there will be an anniversary event. We're going to have a 1 day seminar here at the Space Sciences Lab. One bit of bad news is that it will be on Thursday, May 21.

Another bit of potentially bad news is that we're having it in a room that seats forty eight. The first round of invitations is going out and includes people who worked on SETI@home, people who work on SETI elsewhere, some other astronomers, maybe some reporters, people at companies that have provided equipment, and, of course, very large donors of equipment and funds.

Of course there will be video, but it won't necessarily be real time. We will be accepting some questions for the speakers/panel via email. I'm sure there will be an announcement about that later.

I informed Dan and David that there would be complaints about this (small) format. Feel free to send them directly to Dan and David.

Angela and I are having a picnic/party in a local park on Saturday, May 23. Everyone is invited to help us celebrate SETI@home's anniversary. If you would like to attend, send a PM to Angela. The more the merrier.
888) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Fun with 618,813 pulses... (Message 877279)
Posted 19 Mar 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi again everyone. Looks like I've broken my promise of weekly blog entries by 41 days or so. Oh well, nobody's perfect (except Angela, of course). Anyway, you know those times when you get so involved in your work that you do things like forget to eat or go home? It's been like that. (That and, unfortunately, I can't really bring myself to believe that posting to a web site is really part of what I get paid to do.)

This week I've been busy thinking about how to remove radio frequency interference (RFI) from the Astropulse database. As you may recall, Astropulse has a big problem with radar. There's a radar blanking system at the observatory, but that only tracks the FAA radar. There are about 6 other radar systems that we see in our data, and the radar blanking system does nothing about them. Matt's working on a way to remove the rest of them, but until then we need to figure out a way to work around them.

This is a waterfall plot of 618,813 pulses we've gotten back from Astropulse version 5.03 (as of yesterday). Rather than the usual spectrogram type waterfall which would be a plot of frequency versus time, this is a plot of dispersion measure (DM) versus time. DM in this case is how much sooner the high frequencies arrived than the low frequencies did. A dispersion measure of 15000 means that the 1.42125GHz radiation arrived 15000 samples (6 milliseconds) before the 1.41875GHz radiation did. I've compressed the time axis to get rid of the spaces between different observations.



The regions that are radar contaminated are pretty obvious. Anyplace that doesn't look smooth and random is radar. The easiest way is just to throw out any workunit where Astropulse says it detects multiple pulses that saturate the amplifiers. That's shown in the next plot.



That does a pretty good job of removing the worst times. But it leave behind some vertical RFI features, one at a DM of -14,200, another at a DM of 5,600, another at a DM of 11,000, etc. But we have other ways to remove RFI. RFI tends to show up at specific dispersion measures. One way is if the signal stays around when you are looking at another part of the sky. So I threw together a program (written in IDL) that grabs 10,000 pulses from around the same time, but from different parts of the sky from a signal I want to check, and then calculates the probability than that many signals would occur at that dispersion measure due to random noise. If the probability is less than 1 in a thousand, I consider it to be RFI. If there were no RFI, it would still remove one out of every thousand signals, but that's an acceptable loss. The next image is the signals that this algorithm determined to be RFI (25% of the total) the first time it was run.



And here's what it didn't think was RFI...



It's got some problems left in the radar region, but it got rid of a few of the leftovers that the previous method left. Best of all, I can run it multiple times on what didn't get flagged the first time. The second time I ran it, it removed 4% more of the signals. I'm running it a third time right now, but I haven't made images of those runs.

If we use both methods, we've got a pretty good system. Here's what's left over if I combine the first run of the RFI rejecter with rejecting the signals from workunits where there were multiple amplifier saturation events.



Now all that's left in the short term is to port the algorithm to C++ and have it write the results back into the database. I'd also like to know what that splat is at an index of 70 and a DM of 300 is. But that's a story for another time...

I'll try to make my next post in less than a week to make up for my missing time.
889) Message boards : Number crunching : Confusing results for old AP workunit. (Message 877226)
Posted 19 Mar 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Looks like there's bug in the validator that marked an unvalidated result as validated. Fortunately the workunit itself isn't considered validated until a canonical result is identified.

I'm looking for the source of the problem.
890) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beet's Give Us a Caption IX..... (Message 877109)
Posted 19 Mar 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yo quiero diving bell.
891) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed, can't validate (Message 876307)
Posted 16 Mar 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We used to run a script daily to grant credit for cases where a workunit errors out, but it appears that was disabled some time ago. I'll re-enable it temporarily and ask Matt and Jeff why we disabled it. Probably because of database speed issue.

Eric
892) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What do you know, it's a brand new year... (Message 876242)
Posted 16 Mar 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric, just wanna remind you of something... :-)


My bad. Bad bad Eric.
893) Message boards : Number crunching : AP WUs - when will they ever be available again? (Message 864540)
Posted 12 Feb 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
FYI, Astropulse 5.03 was released and workunit generation is back on. However, because the results are not compatible with 5.02, it was added as a new application (astropulse_v5).

894) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home Cuda Sluggishness (Message 862354)
Posted 5 Feb 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
GPUs aren't really built for task switching, and as far as I know a CUDA code snippet occupies the entire GPU pipeline for the duration of its run, which could be as long as a couple seconds. I don't think the GPU drivers include anything that could be considered preemptive task switching. There isn't a lot that an app can do if a GPU task can't be broken into a bunch of small code snippets.

We have always recommended that you turn off background processing if you run CUDA apps. Eventually, according to David, there will be a separate option to turn off background processing for CUDA. But that could be months away.

Eric
895) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD testers needed (Message 862351)
Posted 5 Feb 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Contacted David a couple of times before I started this. He said this is way to complicated..


<yoda>Always with him it cannot be done.</yoda>

I sometimes do it anyway, too. :)
896) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD testers needed (Message 862151)
Posted 5 Feb 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Fred,

Any chance you'd be willing to donate the code to BOINC? It'd be nice to have this in the BOINC client, even if it won't work on every platform.

Eric
897) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : I finally got my Sith name... (Message 857970)
Posted 26 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I finally got my Sith name. Unfortunately, it's Darth Flammable.

I was hoping my Master would break with tradition and give me a decent name. I guess not.

Way back in the days of Darth Bane, a Sith Lord's name just needed to sound menacing. And that tradition carried forth through to the most famous of the Sith Lords, Darth Sidious. After a couple of disappointing students, Lord Sidious decided that the formula used for his name was best, and thus Lord Vader was born.

Following the tragedy at Endor, the Sith Lords decided to follow this new process of dropping a prefix when generating new names. But given the tragic end of Darth Plosion and the embarrassment that was Darth Hibitionist, they eventually decided that only the prefix "in-" need apply.

For a while it worked. Darth Visible worked his clever plans without interference, and no jail could hold Darth Nocent. But despite those early successes, no one was sure what Darth Coherent was talking about. And Darth Continent left nothing but a mess in his wake. To quote Yoda (that $#&*%@!) Darth Complete never finished what he began. We won't even mention Darth Ept.

I was hoping for Darth Comparable or Darth Genious, but no, I get stuck with Darth Flammable. I guess I need to give up smoking and stay away from gas stations. I'll need to develop a form of light saber that isn't capable of burning holes in things. That kind of defeats the purpose.

If I survive to have apprentices of my own, I'm going to go back to the old style naming conventions. Darth Flammable... But then again, what should I expect from a Master named Darth Competent.
898) Message boards : Number crunching : Version 6.08 in Main (Message 856056)
Posted 21 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think I've solved the problem... Does it work now?

When generating our cryptographics signatures on the executable files, the files get copied from our workstations to a USB drive. That drive gets connected to a secure machine (no network, locked up in a cage) which contains our signing key. The files are signed and the files and signatures are copied to the download server. Apparently in that final copy a single bit error crept into the file "cudart.dll". I've overwritten it with a clean copy.

Eric
899) Message boards : Number crunching : Version 6.08 in Main (Message 856041)
Posted 21 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Is anyone successfully able to download 6.08?
900) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Payola... (Don't I wish!) (Message 854526)
Posted 17 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Because of simultanously MB/AP on CPU and MB (AP?*) on GPU..
The devs are on this, that it'll be possible in future?
(also with optimized apps?)


That's the plan...


[* We'll see in future an AP-CUDA-app also?]


That is definitely the plan. At least one volunteer is working on it.
901) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Payola... (Don't I wish!) (Message 854301)
Posted 16 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Q. Is David Anderson trying to get a job at NVIDIA?

A. I highly doubt it. It's not really his area of expertise, so I don't know what he would do there. So far he's got enough grant money to pay his salary here. I don't see a reason for him to leave.

On a related note, someone mentioned that we wouldn't want to jeopardize our "tenured" positions here. Nobody on the SETI@home or BOINC staffs are tenured. We're research scientists, not teaching faculty. We jump through the same hoops that the faculty does to get tenure, but at the end of that process we don't get a guaranteed job/paycheck.

The process I went through to go from "Assistant Research Astronomer" to "Associate Research Astronomer" was similar to that an "Assistant Professor" goes through to become a tenured "Associate Professor." But at the end of it my paycheck is smaller than a Professors and I'm required to bring in enough grant and donation money to fund my own salary. If I don't I won't get fired, but I also won't get paid.

Q. How badly was the science damaged by the problems with the CUDA app?

A. About 3% of our results are generated by machines running CUDA and about 0.1% were from cuda results validated against cuda results. About 20% (by my survey of CUDA a fraction of CUDA results) of those were bad overflows (although they come in bunches that make the problem look worse than it is.), so we've lost about 0.02% [edited because of typo] of our science. Compared to our problems with radar leaking through, it's minor. But we may decide to reanalyze all of the overflow workunits from these dates if we start catching up the the rate data is coming in from the telescope. We also may want to do that for a lot of tapes when/if we are able to improve our radar rejection.

Q. If my GPU gets bad results or locks up my system, will it be replaced under warranty?

That's up to the company that made the graphics board. If it were my GPU I would certainly try to get it replaced. If it gets bad results in SETI@home, it might hang when you are doing something important like pwning n00bz.

Q. Was the release rushed through beta?

Yes. I thought I made that point in the original post. I underestimated the problems that were encountered in beta. Hopefully most of those are fixed in 6.08.
902) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Payola... (Don't I wish!) (Message 854107)
Posted 16 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This week I'm taking a request. I'll be talking about the release of the SETI@home/BOINC CUDA applications and some of the backlash it has caused. Let's do this interview style, for clarity's sake.

Q. Well that didn't go quite the way you planned, did it?

A. Well, no, it didn't. But I have to admit I've seen worse software rollouts. The initial release of SETI@home comes to mind. I still hear complaints about that one.

Q. Then why did you do it?

A. For years we've been under pressure from various sources to get out a GPU version of SETI@home. When NVIDIA offered to do the port we jumped at the chance. The timing could have been better, though. We felt pressure to release when we did, partially because we had prearranged the date to coincide with the press release.

Q. NVIDIA gave you a big pile of cash to do it during the holiday season, right?

A. No. NVIDIA's total donations to SETI@home in the last year have been two graphics cards, with total value less than $500. Even if they had, my understanding of the University rules is that we cannot agree to provide specific services in exchange for a donation. If we did, it would stop being a donation and become a contract, which is subject to entirely different rules. The big thing NVIDIA did was to develop the application. If someone from another graphics card manufacturer were to do the same for their cards, we would work with them.

To be completely honest, ATI donated a graphics card in 2007, but couldn't donate any resources to the porting effort. So an ATI port didn't happen at that time. If they've got a programmer with the time now ....

Q. Did you ask NVIDIA to make a donation?

A. Not in exchange for any work we did. Dan did query a contact of his at NVIDIA (unassociated with the porting effors) and was informed that current economic conditions made a donation unlikely.

NVIDIA has donated to SETI@home in the past. (IIRC, the last donation was in about 2003, although I would have to do a lot of digging to find out exactly when). It was around the time we had a student working with porting the preliminary version of Astropulse to GPUs. At that time we decided the limited graphics card memory and the asymmetric nature of the AGP bus limited the performance of GPUs to be less than that of CPUs. Things have changed since then.

Q. How do I know that NVIDIA didn't pay you under the table?

A. That's really a ridiculous accusation. They wouldn't be dumb enough to offer it, and we wouldn't be dumb enough to take it. They could have made an above-board donation, gotten a tax deduction for it, and additional accolades for being a good corporate citizen.

What it comes down to is that people at NVIDIA thought this release and the effort they put into it was valuable to NVIDIA. David felt that it was valuable to BOINC and the BOINC community. And I felt that, after years of being asked to develop a GPU application, it wasn't a bad thing for SETI@home. In hindsight I could have pushed back on the release date. It's too late to do that now. I could have also pushed David to have CUDA be an "opt-in" system, with CPU apps being the default. That can be fixed, and I'll probably push on it in the future.

Q. Are you going to fix the bugs?

A. NVIDIA's developer (and Jorden and Raistmer (thanks guys)) have been working on it since the release. If seti_cuda 6.08 works out in beta overnight, we'll probably release it late tomorrow. It should fix a lot of the problems.

Q. Can I ask more questions?

A. Feel free. But it's late, and I have to take Angela to a conference in Burlingame in the morning. I'll answer some of them tomorrow.

In support of full disclosure, I own a small number of NVIDIA shares, which I purchased in 1999. The total dollar value is far below the threshold that the University and the State of California have for reporting a conflict of interest. In fact when we did do a matching grant proposal for the NVIDIA donations (also circa 2003), I got laughed at for reporting it as a potential conflict of interest. Somehow I don't think SETI@home affects NVIDIA's stock price much.
903) Message boards : Number crunching : Open question for Eric..... (Message 854056)
Posted 16 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Midnight Pacific that is. It's 7:41pm and I have to pick up Angela at 8:05, which should give me enough time to get home, eat dinner, and post something before Midnight.
904) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What do you know, it's a brand new year... (Message 854052)
Posted 16 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
My avatar will change again on Monday.
905) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What do you know, it's a brand new year... (Message 852817)
Posted 13 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Eric, looking here and here might be a good occasion for being pontificate...

Especially the why (was it released early) and if (it affects science) are of great interest - at least to cool down the rumor mill.


That's what I'll blog about this week.... Not today though. Have an app to get into beta.
906) Message boards : Technical News : Blanding (Jan 12 2009) (Message 852806)
Posted 13 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Definitely two different bugs. New app is going into beta shortly.

Eric
907) Message boards : Number crunching : Open question for Eric..... (Message 852801)
Posted 13 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I will post my insights on the CUDA issue on Thursday in the Staff Blog.
908) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What do you know, it's a brand new year... (Message 851359)
Posted 9 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

One suggestion to make these updates easier is to keep them short.


Yeah, I think the problem is that I felt that I needed to say something informative, educational, funny, interesting and important all at once which made blogging more difficult than it should have been.

I still may pontificate on occasion, but most postings will be shorter than that.
909) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : What do you know, it's a brand new year... (Message 851100)
Posted 9 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And it's only been 9 months since my last blog entry. And as some of you may know the last year sucked in a major way. One of our cats died and it kind of went down hill from there. Angela was sick for most of it, and was totally out of commission for the last 7 weeks of the year. To top it all off Angela may have proven that her raccoons can out-think me. But that year is over, and we're going to forget all about it.

So once again, I'm going to commit myself to trying to improve communication between the project staff and the volunteers. And this time I mean it. A posting a week, at least. I'll even try to keep some of them interesting, although as usual I won't promise to stick to SETI@home, Astronomy, or even life in the universe. Matt does a pretty good job of explaining the day to day challenges we face, so I'll spend time discussing broader topics.

Catch you next week.
910) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Validation although result is not correct (Message 850245)
Posted 6 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Jeff said that he found the bug that was causing this. Don't know if he has put the fix into production yet.

Eric
911) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Snow on the screen ? (Message 849860)
Posted 5 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I now feel that the release of CUDA was premature. There should be built in temp monitoring of the GPU and fan control on the GPU.


According to NVIDIA temperature monitoring and fan control are built into the driver. It seems that some cards aren't living up to their specs or there are things missing from the drivers.
912) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Cuda running much better when GPU under 60 C (Message 849859)
Posted 5 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Supposidly, the GPU can take temps up to 110c (cuda forum at nvidia) and I am running 57c (no load) - 63c (full load)


That depends. I've seen earlier generation GPUs (not necessarily NVIDIA GPUs) that needed to be underclocked straight out of the box in order to function properly. If a GPU consistently fails at what should be a normal operating temperature, and if underclocking or boosting the fan from the auto setting solves the problem, you might have a problem card, or a problem with the heat sink mounting. It's also possible that the automatic fan setting isn't speeding up the fan soon enough.

Try out some 3D benchmarks. See if they operate properly at the same temperatures. That's not necessarily proof that numerics should work, since most 3D benchmarks don't check whether the results are mathematically correct. Many just look for image defects (pixels that contain obviously bad values).

If 3D benchmarks also fail at normal operating temperatures, and if you are under warranty, don't do anything that might void the warranty. You might want to investigate getting a replacement if you are convinced its a hardware problem.


913) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Forums in general (Message 849823)
Posted 5 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Night,

It think all of the BOINC projects would love improved forum software. The main difficulty with using outside software is changing it to use BOINC login information, understand "special user" tags, and integrate with the rest of BOINC. Please join the BOINC developers list, which is the best place to get advice about any sort of BOINC changes you may be planning.

914) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : No CUDA devices found (Message 849383)
Posted 4 Jan 2009 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think the problem is with the ATI card being the primary card. When BOINC starts up it will probably not detect any CUDA capable cards as long as the ATI card is the primary card.

But to be sure, I'll forward that question to the developers.


If that's the way it's working, I'd call it a bug. But the way Windows display drivers work, some of these bugs are unavoidable. Let's hope this is one that can be fixed.

Eric
915) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : JACT (Jet Another Cuda Thread): GPU undeperforms when all CPU cores are processing WUs (Message 847389)
Posted 31 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Some fairly substantial changes are going to be required to the BOINC client work scheduler to fix these problems. David says he's aware of these issues. I will keep reminding him.
916) Questions and Answers : Windows : v6.4.5 stuck at additioanl CUDA file download (Message 846423)
Posted 29 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you have the ability to connect directly without going through the HTTP proxy, please try to do so. It might solve the problem.

Eric
917) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Seti CUDA still not downloading after a week. (Message 846418)
Posted 29 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This is probably a misconfigured firewall, either a personal firewall or a firewall at your ISP. What error do you get if you take your browser here.

If you didn't get an error, how long is the file you downloaded. If it's less than 10kB, load it into notepad. Does it contain an error message?

Eric
918) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Computation error -- Only while video card in use by another program (Message 844797)
Posted 25 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
odd.. i disabled it .. yet it's still using the CUDA feature .. but it's not failing .. and it IS using it, cause i'm at 24(50normal) FPS in game.. which doesn't bother me any, 24+ FPS is perfectly ideal to me


Which version of BOINC are you using?

919) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone run CPU + GPU SETI on main? (Message 843782)
Posted 22 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
David says that he is working on the ability for BOINC to run both CUDA and CPU apps simultaneously. It'll be a few weeks before it's available.
920) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA - dosen't work (Message 843780)
Posted 22 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I get a 1.1 compute capability but only 255.688 on memory

Seti CUDA application uses at minimum 200MB of Video RAM per task, that's why the minimum is 256MB. When you run the CUDA app you'll need to make sure nothing else is using the video card. You'll have to suspend Boinc to play games, especially 3D, but you should be able to run the CUDA app if you decide to.


I'm talking to the NVIDIA devs to see if we can reduce the memory requirement to 254MB. Will let you know and rerelease if it's OK.

Eric
921) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Fast task switching (Message 843769)
Posted 22 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Perhaps there should be a DCF for each project one joins?


There is. It takes some time for it to adjust, though.

Eric
922) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Fast task switching (Message 843746)
Posted 22 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It may be that eventually your "duration correction factor" will change to accomodate the shorter run times. (But the BOINC fix shouldn't rely on that, if I have anything to say about it.)
923) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA task runs 8h at 0.00%, seems to be stuck (Message 843744)
Posted 22 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sounds like general numerical problems. Have you checked your GPU temperature?

924) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Fast task switching (Message 843728)
Posted 22 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've reported this problem to the BOINC development team. Hopefully they will come up with a solution.

925) Message boards : Cafe SETI : To the kitty people VI...... (Message 842381)
Posted 20 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


All the more funny because our newest owner is an herbivore.

926) Questions and Answers : Windows : Computation Error (Message 841623)
Posted 18 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Will do... Next release of BOINC will allow you to turn off CUDA apps until a fixed driver comes out.

Eric
927) Questions and Answers : Windows : Computation Error (Message 841604)
Posted 18 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Neil,

What graphics driver version are you using? (Right click the desktop, select Properties, select Settings Tab, Click Advanced Button, Selesct adapter tab click Properties button, select driver tab and tell us the driver provider, date and version number.)
928) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA & Seti - Finally! (Message 840958)
Posted 17 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

When I installed the CUDA 2.0 drivers it automatically downgraded my graphics card drivers, I had no choice. Can I upgrade/reinstall the latest drivers then?


If you need the latest drivers for some reason, then it's probably worth trying them out. We can't guarantee they will work with SETI@home. If you don't need the latest, you're probably better off sticking with the CUDA 2.0 driver.
929) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA & Seti - Finally! (Message 840905)
Posted 17 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Just a warning. There have been problems ranging from display problems to "blue screen of death" reported when using the beta CUDA 2.1 driver on some lower end graphics cards.

That's why we're recommending the CUDA 2.0 version. The downgrade was probably not necessary, but for new installations we recommend the CUDA 2.0 driver.

Eric
930) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : The CUDA FAQ... (Message 840882)
Posted 17 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've started a CUDA FAQ here.

I'll be adding questions and answers to it as they come up.

Eric
931) Message boards : Number crunching : Client stolen (Message 839644)
Posted 13 Dec 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It appears to be in the same DSL DHCP pool that most of his other hosts use. His best bet is to find out where that IP was pointing at the time. For that he'll need to have Southwest Bell's cooperation, and to get that he'll probably need have the police helping out.

Eric
932) Message boards : Number crunching : Holy Cow!!?? (Message 822042)
Posted 22 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well, it seems to have helped somewhat, but were still getting sporadic problem reports. I'm running page loading stats from a bunch of machines to see if I can figure out where the hangups are.

Eric
933) Message boards : Number crunching : Holy Cow!!?? (Message 821922)
Posted 22 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm looking at some PHP changes that could be causing some of the delay problems in threads, one of which is particularly dumb, but I don't see anything that should be affecting the index pages.

Will keep you posted.

Eric
934) Message boards : Number crunching : Holy Cow!!?? (Message 821705)
Posted 22 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Didn't know you had an advertising campaign. Do tell.


Google has given us some free advertising. If you do a Google search on SETI, one of our ads will pop up. We have a lot of other keywords, but since they aren't strongly related to our site Google rarely displays them. For most searches where our ad is displayed, we would probably be the top result anyway. So it's hard to use Google ads to generate new SETI@home participants.

For example, our ad was displayed 40,000 times yesterday because the British government released some previously classified UFO related documents. But that only resulted in about 400 clicks, and no noticeable increase in sign-ups.

Eric
935) Message boards : Number crunching : Holy Cow!!?? (Message 821649)
Posted 21 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The presence of the Google analytics script is a very temporary measure that was done for a couple reasons. An organization that has sponsored us in the past has suggested that we violated an agreement that we had with them. In order to help resolve this, I feel that a measurement of trafic flow that is independent of our logs (i.e. something that we can't fake) might prove to be helpful.

While I was at it, I decided to use the data gathered to help judge the effectiveness of our google grants advertising campaign. I intend to turn the script off on Nov. 1, since that should be enough traffic data to make our argument.

I doubt that the script was the cause of the loading pauses. If it were, it would affect the home page as much as the forums. Since the graphics in peoples signatures come from off site, and it only takes one hanging link to halt a page display, it could be any off site access that is doing it. If anyone sees this in the future, please tell me the URL of the page you are trying to view.

We are not planning to feature ads, since advertising income doesn't count as non-profit income. We're not allow to earn for-profit income.

If you feel that Google can't be trusted with the knowledge that you have visited the SETI@home web site...

0. Never post to the SETI@home forums unless you are sure you are entirely anonymous. Unless I'm mistaken, Google scans these forums and indexes them for their search engine.

1. Never use the Google search engine. It tells Google more about you than a connection to SETI@home possibly could. If you are forced to use Google, don't click on the links to any search results. Enter the URLs manually into the URL box of a separate browser.

2. If you use firefox and you don't trust Google, then you are already running NoScript and have forbidden scripts from "google-analytics.com" and "googleadservices.com". If you aren't running NoScript, then you probably don't care about what Google knows, because you're already been giving them your browsing history. Most of the other web sites you visit already have google-analytics scripts.

3. If you use another browser, you should block all google related cookies. While you are at it, you might as well block all access to google.com, googleadservices.com, and google-analytics.com.

I'll tell you one thing I've learned so far is that the 8th most common search that leads people to SETI@home is "create new hotmail account". This accounts of 0.6% of our traffic. I have no idea why that would be the case.
936) Questions and Answers : Windows : Credit not granted on astropulse (Message 820242)
Posted 18 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've granted credit manually, but I can't quite figure out why it wasn't credited properly in the first place. Time to start the validator in a debugger, I guess.

Eric
937) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Cafe SETI: Trade stories with other SETI@home users . . . (Message 819991)
Posted 18 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Dr. C.E.T.I.,

I think you were mistaken about the source of the post. It was "To: David", "From: John 37309"

Eric
938) Message boards : SETI@home Science : HORSE - Hands-On Radio SETI Exhibit (Message 819810)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll see if I can do that. We used to limit access because it took a lot of bandwidth from Arecibo for the "Listen to Space" feature. Since that doesn't work, it should be OK to use now. The SETI game, should at least be available. I'll check it out.

Eric
939) Message boards : SETI@home Science : HORSE - Hands-On Radio SETI Exhibit (Message 818868)
Posted 15 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Unfortunately the "listen to space" portion doesn't work anymore because it was connected to SERENDIP IV.
940) Message boards : Technical News : Bit Ceiling (Oct 08 2008) (Message 818136)
Posted 13 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Been out of town for three weeks, but I'll stick my two cents in. You are correct in that it isn't just the down the hill run. Campus is also worried about the additional equipment and workload that a gigabit link puts on them. Last time I looked into it, campus was suggesting that the initial equipment costs for getting us a gigabit path from the lab to CENIC was about $30K. The problem is that it doesn't include the recurring costs and labor associated with the equipment. With the state budget the way it is, they are understandably reluctant to make the upgrade without a way to pay those costs.

But in the short term, Matt is right. We've got other problems we need to solve on this end before we can even consider the upgrade. Most of those problem don't involve needing new hardware. They involve locking Matt in the server closet until he gets them fixed. Matt, unfortunately, is difficult to trick into going near the server closet when the doors are open....
941) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Gauntlet 2008 (Message 814465)
Posted 3 Oct 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If somebody or some team wants to host it, we'll advertise it on the front page.

I doubt one of us would find the time to host it here.

Eric
942) Message boards : Number crunching : more WU for users who donated (Message 808665)
Posted 15 Sep 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I have yet to find (what outsiders call) "Financial Transparency" documents. (Annual report, quarterly reoprt, list of assetts/debts, ...) If anyone knows about where I can view these, please let me know. Many of us "outsiders" would like to know, specifically, how our $$$ donations help.


There are both benefits and drawbacks to being a tiny part of a massive University. One of the benefits for you as donors is that we don't get to spend a cent of your donations on anything that isn't a University approved project expense. The problem is that the accounting systems we're subject to make it difficult to subdivide things in an manner that is intelligible to an outsider. For example, projects don't have assets. Nearly everything we have is an asset of the University. In financial terms it means we can't actually turn a system into cash by selling it. We also don't have debts, since we're not allowed to have debts. (Other than internal obligations, like unused sick leave.) If we purchase something, it gets paid for when the bill arrives. Of course the University complies with all required 503(c) record keeping and reporting requirements, but you'd have a hard time seeing anything as small as SETI@home in one of those filings. We also have State reporting requirements, so, for example, all of our salaries are considered public information. But nowhere in that info does it say what fraction of our salary was paid by SETI@home, though.

Like with federal and state grants our accounting department tracks all expenses on the "Friends of SETI@home" account. Since I'm not the head of the SETI group, and since I have neither signature nor purchasing authority on the account, I don't have access to the monthly statements for the "Friends of SETI@home" account. But I'll ask Dan if he'll give me access so I can put together a summary for the fiscal year (which ends October 1).

Eric
943) Message boards : Number crunching : New error -131 on file upload (Message 802536)
Posted 27 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Hmmmm.... we had this problem once before and I thought it had been fixed. I'll grab the WU and check it out.

Eric

wuid=321214337

Here's one I just DL'd... has -131 error by 3 previous crunchers.

Noticed WU filesize is 411 KB rather than the standard 367 KB.

I'll make a copy of the WU available for anyone interested.

Regards,
JDWhale

944) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse units too big? (Message 802189)
Posted 26 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
You should complain to Rom and David on the BOINC forums (http://boinc.berkeley.edu). The BOINC windows client doesn't actually try to figure out the total cache. It just puts in the value 1,000,000 bytes, and then divides that by the number of cores.

If you look at our host stats you'll see that this "feature" of boinc makes it look like cache sizes are decreasing as the number of cores increases.

Eric

Have a QX9650 @ 3500MHz, FSB 1400, running UBUNTU 8.04 (x86), for a change.
An AP WU takes about 20-28 hours, to complete.
Does anyone know, why LINUX is showing the real amount off L2 cache ½ per 2 core's off total L2, while WINDOWS only shows 244KB instead off (¼ or ½ off total cache amount)?
I don't run an optimized app. yet, on this one.


945) Message boards : Number crunching : Still Unable to Download Work Units (Message 802091)
Posted 25 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've stopped redirecting our application downloads through coral cache. Hopefully most of these problems will go away now.

Eric
946) Questions and Answers : Windows : Why Is My Average Credit Decreasing Instead of Increasing? (Message 801720)
Posted 24 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Perhaps it is a real phenomenon???

REALLY HAPPENING!!

And I can't see the bottom yet! Host ID is 3378680


Are many people running the stock app seeing the same thing?

<edit>I looked at what's happening and I'm finding that BOINC RAC is much more strongly affected than BOINCstats RAC (based upon credit per day). I'm going to look at the BOINC RAC forumula to see if I can figure out why. It may be that it doesn't work well with two apps with such different completion timescales.</edit>

Eric
947) Questions and Answers : Windows : Windows 95 and NT 4 or earlier: How to run SETI@home. (Message 801718)
Posted 24 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Unfortunately, current versions of the BOINC libraries are no longer compatible with Window 95 and Windows NT. SETI@home 6.0 and later will not run on those platforms. However it is possible to run earlier versions of SETI@home with some effort.

You can download SETI@home 5.27 at http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setiathome527.zip. The file's MD5 hash is 5a8d29bc51dcd48e8f5b94b28dc5a8c2. Then unzip the file into your BOINC directory (probably "C:\Program Files\BOINC" if you are using BOINC 5.8.16). It contains version 5.27 and an app_info.xml file that should allow you to do SETI@home work.

I don't know if any version of astropulse supports Windows 95 and NT, so you'll probably want to set your project preferences to only run SETI@home.

948) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse rip off (Message 801104)
Posted 23 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm going to deprecate 6.03 for x86_64 until I know what's causing this.

Eric
949) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse rip off (Message 801102)
Posted 23 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
BTW, I manually granted credit to the users and hosts involved in this one.

Eric
950) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse rip off (Message 801100)
Posted 23 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That's weird. It's getting a signal 11 after calling boinc_finish(). Hmmmmm.... time to delve into what boinc_finish() actually does and where it could segfault.

I just started testing linux x86_64 v6.03 at beta and do get the same errors like host 4515096.


Eric
951) Message boards : Number crunching : 6.03 is live on main.? (Message 800958)
Posted 22 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I have posted an inquiry in the Lunatics pre release forum.....If nobody else posts here, I will try to advise as soon as I get an answer.

Have you posted a query to Eric, or any other members of the Berkeley team?

So far as I know from Beta testing, the actual scientific search for extra-terrestrial intelligence is unaffected by the new version. No new science. No announcement that old versions will be deprecated.


That is correct. No prior versions will be deprecated. The results should validate all the way back to 5.14 at least. There also shouldn't be much in the way of either performance increases or decreases from this version release.

If you are running an optimized app that currently generates correct results, you are free to keep running it.

XML parsing errors will occur with older versions, but should not affect results. These errors due to changes in BOINC rather than changes in SETI@home.

Eric
952) Questions and Answers : Windows : problem installing 6.03 (Message 800906)
Posted 22 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Which firewall are you using? I've seen this problem with firewalls or local proxies that refuse cross domain HTTP redirects. That 4451 bytes is probably an error message from the firewall or proxy. Once we're sure that executable downloads won't clog our servers (probably Monday or so) we'll remove the coral cache redirects for the executables and all should go back to normal.

Eric


22/08/2008 13:33:33|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe
22/08/2008 13:33:33|SETI@home|Started download of setigraphics_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe
22/08/2008 13:33:35|SETI@home|Incomplete read of 4451.000000 < 5KB for setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe - truncating
22/08/2008 13:33:35|SETI@home|Incomplete read of 4453.000000 < 5KB for setigraphics_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe - truncating
22/08/2008 13:33:35|SETI@home|Finished download of setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe
22/08/2008 13:33:35|SETI@home|Finished download of setigraphics_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe
22/08/2008 13:33:35|SETI@home|Started download of 08jl08aa.19458.19704.4.8.200
22/08/2008 13:33:35|SETI@home|[error] Checksum or signature error for setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe
22/08/2008 13:33:35|SETI@home|[error] Checksum or signature error for setigraphics_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe
22/08/2008 13:33:50|SETI@home|Finished download of 08jl08aa.19458.19704.4.8.200

I get an error loading 6.03 and my virus scanner kicks in as well. Is there anyway of getting a manual download of the app?

953) Message boards : Cafe SETI : . . . 'strange' anomaly Screen Capture (Message 799341)
Posted 17 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

. . . 'strange' anomaly Screen Capture - from BOINC Manager - v5.10.45 this morn' @ 04:17 am East Coast Time NC - why is the Year 1969-70 showing on mi Manager? venture a guess? btw - mi clock on the DuoCore2 is set to the right time etc . . .


This is due to corruption in the file "statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml". This corruption can occur during a reinstall of BOINC or during an improper shutdown. Sometimes it will fix itself after your next connection to the SETI@home server. If not, your best bet is to stop BOINC, delete the file, and restart BOINC.

Eric
954) Message boards : Number crunching : I suppose there is an excuse for no new work (Message 798197)
Posted 15 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
About 5 minutes after I wrote this our science database crashed and we ran out of work again. We got it back up (fingers crossed) and we're hanging out at around 20k workunits ready to send.

The clock on the wall says no tech news today. :( If I'm lucky everything will still be working when I wake up.

Eric

FYI: I can now download new WUs (eventually) but uploading completed WUs is still a problem for me. I suppose this is one more result of the server problems?


We're still maxed out on number of connections and getting some timeouts. The fact that we're maxed on outbound bandwidth isn't helping.

We're going to try to get an additional machine handling uploads in the next couple hours.

955) Message boards : Number crunching : **UPDATED**-Blurf's 3 Day Seti Donation Challenge (Message 798060)
Posted 15 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I just donated in my "economic stimulus package" tax rebate. How's that for a government grant?

Eric

956) Message boards : Number crunching : I suppose there is an excuse for no new work (Message 797868)
Posted 14 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
when i paid i did not get a green star, maybe some of them in top 40 haf paid but just not get a star.

johnny nielsen
dbdt


Probably an email address typo or mismatch. PM me with the date and time of the donation and I can probably fix it in a few seconds.

Eric
957) Message boards : Number crunching : I suppose there is an excuse for no new work (Message 797866)
Posted 14 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
FYI: I can now download new WUs (eventually) but uploading completed WUs is still a problem for me. I suppose this is one more result of the server problems?


We're still maxed out on number of connections and getting some timeouts. The fact that we're maxed on outbound bandwidth isn't helping.

We're going to try to get an additional machine handling uploads in the next couple hours.
958) Message boards : Number crunching : I suppose there is an excuse for no new work (Message 797839)
Posted 14 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Now that the problems have been (mostly) solved, I have time to answer some questions. First off, it has been assumed that this outage was due to Astropulse. It was not. It appears the main problem was due to a compile flag used on a new copy of the file_upload_handler which interacted with some poor choices by some BOINC developers that I will probably end up fixing myself. (No other project is likely to have enough traffic that this issue would arise for them). This problem would have happened without Astropulse. I'll try to post in tech news today about what actually happened.


Maybe we could try to get some more hard drives donated....


Every server we have has its drive slots full. I moved the last 100GB of miscellaneous stuff from the download server to some other drives, and that seems to have freed up enough space that we don't fill up at our current number of SETI@home and Astropulse workunits.



How about the SETI@home server LAN/WAN system? Is it fast enough? Is it 100 Mbit/s Ethernet, 1 Gbit/s Ethernet or 10 Gbit/s Ethernet?


Our LAN is 1Gbit/s and is able to keep up fairly well with our demands. Our connection down the hill to campus is still 100 Mbit/s. Campus wants us to come up with some substantial bucks (far more than you might think) for the upgrade. Since it's shared research infrastructure we think campus should pay most of the bill for the upgrade, since they do charge us overhead on grants. So we are at an impasse. We don't have the cash to pay for it and Campus doesn't want to pay for it.
959) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Ghost WUs !!! (Message 797622)
Posted 14 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Anybody know yet if the new preference setting in 'resource share and graphics' to select AP, Enhanced, or both is working to suppress the ghost AP WUs if set to Enhanced only?

Well, it's a step in the right direction, but it's a bit to generic for me. With my 16 hosts, I've got some I'd accept AstroPulse on and some I wouldn't. So, the only way to achieve that would be to leverage the "venue" settings and say the "School" preferences don't allow AstroPulse whereas the "Home" ones do and the "Work" preferences run Only AstroPulse.Like I've used the venues to control resource share in the past. Then I just have to fictionalize which system is where.



I'll talk to David to see what would be required to implement it at the venue level.

Eric
960) Questions and Answers : Windows : AstroPulse 4.35 Credit (Message 796927)
Posted 12 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Les,

I looked at your machine stats. You are correct. You are getting 0.00687 credits per cpu second with SETI@home and 0.00470 credits per cpu second with Astropulse. That's about 32% less.

Here's my best theories why. Your Core2 has more cache than the average machine, which makes it much better at running SETI@home. More cache isn't as big of an advantage with Astropulse because the working set is significantly larger. It's also likely that SETI@home is using SSE/SSE2/SSE3 routines while Astropulse doesn't have specially optimized routines to use SIMD instruction sets.

In other words, your machine does more per cycle than the average machine on SETI@home. But on Astropulse you aren't doing as much more per cycle than the average machine.

Eric

961) Questions and Answers : Windows : AstroPulse 4.35 Credit (Message 796853)
Posted 12 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It looks to me like you're running an optimized SETI@home app, which give you about double the credit per CPU second that the stock app does. Until you get an optimized astropulse that can do the same, you're probably stuck with the reduction. Although David says he plans to add the application selection option to the preferences "soon," so you could choose not to run Astropulse in the near future.

Les, I can't look at your machines, so I can't see if you're running the stock SETI@home or not.

BTW, the most recent credit multipliers are 0.887 for S@H and 0.993 for Astropulse.

Eric

Seem to be having similar problem. Have done 2 so far and both credit claims were about 50% to 55% less then what they should be by normal WU standards. To make things better, the first unit I crunched granted me 0 credits. That was 64 hours of my computers time for nothing. I am fearful of the next one. That one took almost 95 hours. RAC has dropped by about 1000 credits in the last 2 weeks. Pretty harsh. Anyone know of a way to inquire about getting SOME credits from past astropulse WUs? Thank you for your time.
962) Message boards : Politics : Termination of User Contracts II (Message 792863)
Posted 4 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Kong, nice to see you back. Is it possible that I've flown with and against you in IL2 1946? Or is that another MajorKong? If it's you, you probably waxed me several times, since I only get maybe an hour a month flying time.


It was stressing me out WAY too much. It was affecting my health adversely, and I had to leave the project before I left this world (like Dog did).


That, to a very large degree explains why Wilma's job is no longer my job and why the maximum term (sentence?) for a moderator is 6 months. I don't think anyone can reasonably be subjected to that sort of hate for that long and stay sane.

We're currently chewing up moderators and spitting them out at a prodigious rate.

Eric
963) Message boards : Politics : Termination of User Contracts (Message 792214)
Posted 3 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

If I knew a known car thief and that car thief steals a car and dies crashing it during his get away, should I go to prison because I simply knew him? He cannot be punished, but someone *HAS* to be punished so it will be me, because I knew him. Does that scenario sound at all right to you? No! It is not.


That is not an analogous situation. A more analogous situation for those banished was they knew a car thief that stole a police car. The thief told all his friends about the stolen car and he made them copies of the keys and told them where it was parked. Some used the car for midnight joy rides to terrorize the populace. Some just drove it around for a while. Because they had a police radio they knew where the rest of the patrol cars were. Every night they would get together and tell each other what they had been using the stolen car for and offer suggestions for the next day. They kept detailed notes of their discussions.

Perhaps you weren't banned because your friends never gave you a copy of the keys. Perhaps you weren't invited to the nightly meetings. Perhaps you were at the meetings, but never opened your mouth so your name never appeared in the notes.
964) Message boards : Politics : Termination of User Contracts (Message 791878)
Posted 3 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Hey.... I thought I was 26 of 30. Dont tell me I've remembered my number wrong. Which of us is confused Eric?


Most likely I am. I do not wish to ever be required to open up those forums again if I can avoid it. But I suppose I must if I need to decide whether 26 was among those banished.
965) Message boards : Politics : Termination of User Contracts (Message 791677)
Posted 2 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Will not apply 'guilt by association'? Don't believe it. It has happened before.


It didn't and doesn't happen here. We set a very strict definition for what evidence was permissible and what evidence was necessary for banishment. If we hadn't wouldn't all 30 of the 30 have been banished?

966) Message boards : Politics : Termination of User Contracts (Message 791665)
Posted 2 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

To Admin:
I want to see the proof that all this has taken place. ... You brought this to the public eye, I want to see the proof in public. How about it Admin, care to reveal your "evidence", in public?


That evidence contains user information that we are not allowed to make public.


SIGNED: a concerned SETI citizen


aka 26 of 30, which makes me wonder if you really want the evidence.
967) Message boards : Politics : Termination of User Contracts (Message 791642)
Posted 2 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Edit: I believe a copy of the secret forum in question can be found on Crunch3r's forum.
And by Claudette's recent request soon to be on frakme as well.


If this is true, you may want to tell them that it would be a bad idea, since much of that information should still be considered confidential.

There is a reason we did not just make the evidence available to everyone.
968) Message boards : Politics : Termination of User Contracts (Message 791004)
Posted 1 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Will those Crunchers where it is known that their privacy has been violated, be sent warnings to this effect?


That's probably a good idea. It will take a while to accumulate. Essentially it includes anyone who sent an email to the forum moderators or pressed the red-x during July and August of last year.

Eric
969) Message boards : Number crunching : New Credit Adjustment? (Message 790792)
Posted 1 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

This project still has a high concentration of Pentium 4 systems. The "bad egg" projects have significantly higher ratios of Core2-based systems. The effect I am thinking about will be dependent upon that ratio.


Well lets hope the other projects make the same plots I have (I will suggest that they do, or a stat site could since all the info is in the hosts.xml file). As I mentioned earlier, our current median is a dual processor (or dual core, no way to tell the difference) with 1.5 GFLOP/s per core, which sounds the machine on my desktop at work. It's only marginally slower than the median in beta (which tends to attract higher end machines.)


The good thing about medians is that the middle of a distribution tends to vary far less than the average, especially when exponential growth is involved. If machines get replaced on a 3 year cycle, our median machine is probably about 1.5 years old. (Like the one on my desktop at work).

This method doesn't rely on the median machines being the same across projects. It assumes that on average the work done by a machine is proportional to its benchmark scores.

More tomorrow.... Or today if you're across the pond.
970) Message boards : Number crunching : New Credit Adjustment? (Message 790628)
Posted 1 Aug 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

* The script calculate_credit_multiplier (expected to be run daily as a config.xml task) looks at the ratio of granted credit to CPU time for recent results for each app. Multiplier is calculated to cause median hosts granted credit per cpu second to equal to equal that expected from its benchmarks. This is 30-day exponentially averaged with the previous value of the multplier and stored in the table credit_multplier.

I'd have to read the code in this script to find the definition of recent. I mostly do embedded stuff -- not SQL or Perl. I don't see a reference to RAC or Recent Average Credit.


In the script "recent" is defined as up to 10,000 results which have been granted credit and assimilated in the last 24 hours. The timings are defined at the top of the file, so if a project wants a 60 day moving average or 100,000 results or results returned in the last 48 hours, that change is easy to make. There are some instances where changes like that would be required. If an project gets less than a 10 results a day, the multiplier will bounce around by 10 percent or so. In that case you'd want to look at the last week's worth of results and you might want to go with a 60 day average.

If there are so few hosts (<1000) that the median changes drastically from day to day, that could also be a problem. You'd address that in the same way.

It also doesn't make sense to run it if you just started your project and you don't expect the first result to come back for a year or so. Although if you have trickles, you might want to try to calculate a multiplier based upon your grants of credit for trickles.


It says it looks at 10,000 results picked from results returned that day. I'm not sure how it uses the data from the result, or how much comes from the host table.


The CPU time and granted credit come from the result table. The host benchmarks come from the host table.

Eric
971) Message boards : Number crunching : New Credit Adjustment? (Message 790570)
Posted 31 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Is the C@H credit per second falling because of this change? Or because of some other reason?

Eric


2.023 (3884) Cosmology@Home


As I mentioned, the value should begin a rapid freefall...and it already has.

1.973 (3867)

Down almost 2.5% in a mere 15 hours.

972) Message boards : Number crunching : New Credit Adjustment? (Message 790521)
Posted 31 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

If what you say is true about AP being 2* correct figure and the large number of VHAR units with a more efficient v6.02 then SetiBeta figure should be even lower, probably down to 0.5.


Yes, because the ratio depends upon the type of workunit which increases the difficulty of figuring this out is one reason we need the multiplier to be automatically calculated.

[edit] that last para is wrong the SetiB figure should be HIGHER.


Yes I got confused by the direction of the numbers. I was assuming that, as in a row across the table that was linked to, lower numbers meant higher credit. A lot of what that number means depends upon the calculation method for credit_per_cpu_second. Up until Astropulse 4.33, credit was granted based upon CPU time rather than FLOP counting. I haven't looked how credit_per_cpu_second is averaged, whether it's a time based average or a workunit based average. If it's time based, a few astropulse workunits can overwhelm it. If it's workunit based, then astropulse work units would hardly count.

Anyway here is a plot I promised a while back. The green lines are the floating point benchmarks, the red ones are the integer benchmarks, the blue is the sum of the benchmarks and the yellow is the rate of granted credit. The purple lines are the RAC, which should match the yellow line if every host crunched 100% of the time.

There are two lines for each. The top line for each is the average (and is supposed to be dotted, but there are too many data points for that to happen. The bottom is the median.



If we were granting perfect credit, the yellow and blue lines would lie on top of one another. The region about a month ago where they come close is when we were only crunching astropulse and only giving credit based upon CPU time.

This is the same plot for the public project.



The large excursions of the averages (due to hosts reporting bad values) shows why we need to use medians rather than averages.
973) Message boards : Number crunching : New Credit Adjustment? (Message 790246)
Posted 31 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

My first thought looking at those figures is why SetiBeta at 0.788?


Two reasons. We made a factor of two error in the amount of credit that we granted for one version of Astropulse. A factor of two too high.

The second reason is that SETI@home 6.02 was faster than expected. SETI@home 6.03 for windows went out tonight. We'll see if the trend holds.

Eric
974) Message boards : Number crunching : New Credit Adjustment? (Message 790245)
Posted 31 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

It is really two fold, one the introduction of another app into Seti that being Astropulse, IMO it should be another project as in "astropulse@home" after all that is one of the advantages of the BOINC concept. I see its introduction into seti@home as an attempt to guarantee its success by forcing it down the throats of a captive audience at the expense of another balancing act.


The larger issue for us is more that we can't afford the overhead of maintaining another BOINC project in addition to the main project and the beta project. We're planning on offering the ability to choose which applications you want to run, and I was hoping it would have been ready before we released Astropulse. But Josh is getting anxious to get his degree before he dies of old age, so we released before that feature was ready.

Regarding credit valuation and cross project normalization, even leaders need to bow to political reality at times. And this is the political reality as it stands.
975) Message boards : Number crunching : New Credit Adjustment? (Message 789160)
Posted 28 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Ow! Darn third rail keeps on electrocuting me!

I think there are some misunderstandings about how this is going to affect credit. This doesn't specifically change credit for optimized applications, so don't worry about that.

So, here's the story... Right SETI@home faces two problems. One technical and one political. The technical problem is that in the SETI@home code is a value called the "LOAD_STORE_ADJUSTMENT" or also called the "credit multiplier". This value sets the ratio of the number of floating point operations in a workunit to the number you get credit for. That value is currently 2.85 for SETI@home 5.27, meaning for every floating point operation you do for SETI@home, you get credit for 2.85. This value was chosen so that the number of credits you would get from SETI@home (using the stock application) would be about the number that you would get if we used CPU time to calculate credit, like other projects do.

Every time we release an application we need to recalculate this value, because every time we compile the application it gets a little bit slower or a little bit faster. But since this value is in the code, you can't decide what value it should have until after you've compiled the code. For SETI@home 5.27 the value should have been about 2.4. For SETI@home 6, the value should be about 1.7, but I won't know what the value should be until after the application is released. For Astropulse, who knows.. So we've added a correction factor that can be calculated after the release. That factor is the 30 day moving average of median granted credit for the application to the median benchmark score.

The political problem is related to this. SETI@home has been granting about 15% more credit per cpu second than comparable projects. Other projects have threatened to increase their own credit multipliers to compensate. The problem is that they all have different ideas about how much credit we should be granting. One project has threatened to give 50% more credit per second than he benchmarks would indicate they should. So to avoid the coming credit war, BOINC is implementing this credit multiplier BOINC wide. This will be an objective way to make sure that projects don't grant too much credit. In other words, this will (probably) be happening at most every cpu intensive BOINC project.

So what does it mean for your credit. Well, long term it means that on average, SETI@home will probably be granting about 15% less credit per cpu second than it currently does. That factor will apply whether you use an optimized app or not. If you currently earn credit twice as fast as everyone else, you will continue to do so. It also means that if you get an Astropulse work unit, you will probably get about the same amount of credit per second as you would with a stock SETI@home. It also means that every other cpu intensive BOINC project will grant about the same amount of credit per cpu second.

It would be a wonderful world if we could base credit upon the actual number of floating point operations done, especially since our friendly neighborhood optimizers have made sure that SETI@home is the most highly optimized BOINC application around. SETI@home would then legitimately be able to claim more credit per CPU second than everyone else. But that won't fly with the rest of the BOINC projects, especially the ones that don't make source available.

I'll try to post some interesting graphs I've made later on.....

Anyway, here's the start of an FAQ...

Q. Is this multiplier based upon a theoretical "golden" machine?
A. No. This is based upon the credit per unit CPU time that would be granted to a middle of the pack machine. The definition of "middle of the pack" changes every day. Today the "middle of the pack" is a dual processor 3 GFLOP machine with 1GB of RAM, not a 386 machine with 32M of memory.

Q. Does this multiplier fix the credit for that machine to a certain credit per day (say 100)?
No. The credit per CPU second for the middle of the road machine is its floating point benchmark plus its integer benchmark times 5.787037037037e-13. That is exactly what it would be if we calculated BOINC credit based upon work unit run times. The middle of the road machine six months from now will get more credit per cpu second than today's middle of the road machine.

Q. Will the credit I get from my current machine go down as the middle of the road machine gets faster?
A. If you use a stock app, 6 months from now the machine you are using now will still get about the same number of credits per second that it will a month from now. For optimized apps, the rate of credit granted depends upon future release of SETI@home. (This is the case under the old fixed credit per FLOP system as well. The credit optimized apps get depends upon the credit multiplier in the stock app, which changes with each release.)

Q. Does this multiplier penalize fast machines?
A. No. Every machine is affected by this multiplier equally, whether it is fast or slow, whether it runs the stock app or an optimized app.

Q. Does this mean SETI@home will grant my machine fewer credits than <other BOINC project>?
A. Probably not. SETI@home currently grants more credit than most other BOINC projects. This multiplier will level the playing field somewhat. When other projects start to use this multiplier, the playing field will be very level.

Q. I'm mad and I'm going to quit.
A. That's not really a question, but if you are one of the people who crunch to get the highest RAC, then you probably will try to find the BOINC project that gives you the most credit for the least work. You could start your own BOINC project that grants you as much credit as you want for no work at all. It's not very satisfying though.
976) Message boards : Number crunching : New Credit Adjustment? (Message 787231)
Posted 26 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
There is a modification to the scheduler that just went into effect this afternoon to try to adjust credits better to match benchmark scores. The differences here are because one result was returned with the old scheduler and one with the new one. The differences should be less noticeable after this point.

Eric
977) Message boards : Number crunching : something odd is going on ... (Message 786926)
Posted 25 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That was, in fact, me. I sent it from the SETI lab while using an open copy of firefox on the admin's machine. It doesn't make me the admin. It just means I was upstairs when I heard about this thread.

Chances are that this is related to the bug that is causing some hosts not to get work.

We're looking into it.

Eric

There's that "Eric" again that's not supposed to exist.

978) Questions and Answers : Web site : Problem with write your congress person letter (Message 786923)
Posted 25 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
After I typed in my name & address and other info I pressed the enter key and received an error msg something about not being able to open the svido (or close) file.


Are you still getting this error? It works for me. Are you able to open other PDF files?
979) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Forum Temporarily Locked (Message 783069)
Posted 16 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've unlocked them for now. We're still very overwhelmed, so everybody play nice.

980) Message boards : Number crunching : Whys is credit being held up? (Message 782907)
Posted 15 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I pulled the trigger on this one and am looking for similar problems.

Eric

Stay cool. It looks to me, like a Data base error or something else. Eric and the crew is working hard at the moment to work things out.

981) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric Korpela... (Message 778402)
Posted 4 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

How old are you now? 50? :P


Old enough that I have to subtract to figure it out. Young enough that I still get the right answer half the time.
982) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric Korpela... (Message 778331)
Posted 4 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thank you all. I will raise a glass of ale to you all this evening. If I can raise it with my feeble old-man arms.
983) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Volunteer tester tag..... (Message 777504)
Posted 2 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


@ Eric - where is iT?



It's there now. But the only way I could do it was to do it for everyone. Everyone but me, that is. :)

Screenshot it quickly. It'll be going away in 5 minutes.
984) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Volunteer tester tag..... (Message 777445)
Posted 2 Jul 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I think someone has hacked the boards.


Not hacked. Some people's tags were zeroed accidentally so a restore was tried on the tags. Apparently we have a parsing problem.

Congrats on the promotion! At least I didn't get demoted in the process.

Eric
985) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! V - Closed for Renovations (Message 757833)
Posted 24 May 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It has been said that my sense of humor is so dry that camels fear it. Therefore the winner is Jeffrey with:

Wow! That's an awful lot of sticky notes... ;)


The runner-up is SATAN with:

Windows 7 still a long way from RC1


Thanks to all who played.
986) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! V - Closed for Renovations (Message 756881)
Posted 22 May 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Wow. My first victory! Now if I could just win LPTP.

Here's your new picture. I'll render my decision Saturday around noon Berkeley time.

[Edit: picture has disappeared. Thanks for rescuing it Beets.]

987) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! V - Closed for Renovations (Message 756683)
Posted 22 May 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Let me guess... His name is Chad?
988) Questions and Answers : Windows : Boinc doesn't run Seti (Message 748822)
Posted 6 May 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What percentage do you have your CPU throttle set to? Does it work properly if it isn't throttled?

Eric
989) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! IV - Closed (Message 745722)
Posted 29 Apr 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Unfortunately, after the first pitch, Chewbacca couldn't resist the urge to fetch.
990) Message boards : Politics : Hard Line, Donations (Message 743117)
Posted 23 Apr 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

- What does the UC itself do to push this project? (Maybe it's much, maybe it's nothing - I simply don't know, but I'd like to know)


It depends upon what you mean by UC. If you mean the SETI group (i.e. the five of us who actually keep SETI@home running), we spend as much time as we can pushing the project. Unfortunately the worst PR we can get is having server problems, so those tend to take precedence. But we do try to get stories into the press from time to time. But unfortunately there are times when you couldn't even buy press coverage. For example, there was an astrobiology conference last week where I gave a talk and hosted a session. Total attendance was about 1500 biologists, geophysicists, astronomers, and other scientists. Did anyone see a story about the conference at all? The news media seemed to have its attention elsewhere last week.

Some of you may have noticed we now appear in Google ads. That's because Google gave us a three month grant of AdWords appearances. It does seem to have slowed our decline somewhat.

If by UC you mean the University itself, then the answer is "Not much." The same answer applies to most any research projects. It's up to the researchers to find their own funding.


- Why isn't there a single commercial on this page? Would it look unprofessional? If you'd give a reason, some modest advertising shouldn't have a too negative impact. But I suppose, that has already been ruled out for some reason.


There is one main reason. We are a non-profit entity. By current law advertising revenues do not count as a source of non-profit income. Were we to advertise, the University would be required to pay taxes on the revenues. Given the vast size of the Universities accounting system, there is no way we could raise enough money to pay for the number of pages of additional financial statements the University would have to do.


- Isn't there a possibility, that the UC or the project itself might contribute a story on SETI and S@H in particular in a big newspaper?


We do occasionally send press releases, but there is a limited number of times per year you can do that and expect any coverage.


I mean, more than a decade ago, SETI was even funded by state. Maybe it's time to bring this up again to the political agenda. I don't know, if there's a realistic chance for that - especially in hard times like these. But there isn't too much to lose I suppose.


Well part of what I did at the conference was to talk to people from the government funding agencies to see what is currently possible. We do apply for grants, however the amount of money any one grant will typically supply (most programs are about $100k/yr for 3 years) is far less than the cost to run SETI@home. We do talk to our legislators, but right now our priority is keeping Arecibo open. (Bills have been introduced in the House and Senate, but I haven't seen the text yet. Once I do, we will be asking our U.S. participants all to write your senators and representatives. More on that when I have the details.)

--
Eric
991) Message boards : Politics : Interest Falling Away [2] (Message 737082)
Posted 10 Apr 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Dear, SETI@home people. Is the co-operation between SKA and SETI@home ever possible?...



Yes, co-operation is possible, but how a SETI@home based on SKA would be structured depends upon many parts of the SKA design that have not been finalized.


The SKA is a very different system to Arecibo and collects data very differently.


That is true, however, proposed instrument interfaces at the SKA are not all that different than such an interface would be at Arecibo. We could certainly hook up a data recorder to the SKA, but there are many reasons that might not be the optimal method.


I believe that the SKA has all the processing to do their analysis in real time.


Yes, and no, depending upon how you look at it. The way an array of telescopes works is by combining the data from the telescopes with each telescope's data delayed by an amount that depends upon the position of the telescope and where you are looking. The contraption that does this is called a beam-former, and its output is similar to what you would get from a single telescope. But what the beam-former does is turn N data streams that sample a large part of the sky into one data stream that samples a small part of the sky. To oversimplify, it does this by discarding the data coming from all but the small part of the sky you want to look at. Because the beam created by the beam former is so tiny, it takes a very long time to cover the whole sky. To cover more of the sky simultaneously, you need is more beam formers.

In a perfect world, you would record the data stream from each telescope in real time and then use a software beam former on the recorded data. The problem with that is you need to record and store a lot of data, then you need to perform a different analysis for each part of the sky you want to look at. (For SETI, I have some ideas of how you could speed this process up.) So maybe a SKA version of SETI@home would have a workunit consisting of a narrow band of data recorded from all of the SKA telescopes. The application might form beams and run an analysis for narrow band signals. Whether this is conceivable depends upon how much faster data recording, the internet, and personal computers get before SKA is built.


Meanwhile, we have more than enough data from Arecibo for the next few years at least.


True

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Eric
992) Message boards : Politics : Information Regarding Political Forum Moderating (Message 732109)
Posted 29 Mar 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Effective immediately, the forum administrator position will be rotating among the SETI@home staff. You can contact the current administrator by emailing setiforums at ssl.berkeley.edu We will also be creating a SETI@home account linked to this email address.

Effective May 1, 2008, forum moderator will no longer be a permanent position. Moderators will be selected for a term of six months. Three moderators will be chosen every two months, with vacancies filled as needed, so as to keep nine active moderators on duty at any time.
993) Message boards : Politics : Interest falling away (Message 731215)
Posted 28 Mar 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Paul,

The excuse that science is hard and boring is so much bovine refuse.


Did someone actually use this excuse or are you paraphrasing? Science is easy. Project management is hard. And the structure of most projects doesn't make it any easier. Here we've got no one between us and our volunteers. A commercial project would have a large, well-paid layer of middle management.

It's funny, no one volunteers to be middle management. And if they do, they often don't have the skill set. The number one skill that a middle manager needs to have is knowing when to ask their boss a question: never. The job of a middle manager is to prevent upper management from ever needing to give direct guidance or feedback. Never ask what to do. Only tell them what you've done and only tell them why if they ask. A middle manager is only noticed when they are doing a bad job. There is no thanks, only blame. Is it a wonder nobody wants to do that job for free?

What we could really use is a PR manager, a education manager, and several managers for programmers. If we had an extra $400k a year, we could get 4 people willing to do the job on the cheap ($66k/yr). Of course we don't have an extra $400k a year.

And even if we did have middle management, a large fraction of our volunteers don't want to be managed. They want to do what they want to do, and if the project doesn't follow their lead, they'll take their ball and go home. Then you have the problem that you'll get 10 volunteers wanting to do the "fun" task and no one wanting to do the "hard" task. That's the unfortunate truth with most open source projects.

But that model also has its benefits. When I make changes to BOINC, I don't have to consult, I just do it and it's done. I don't have to ask an authority, because in the BOINC world, the projects are essentially middle management.

So here's the challenge... Be middle management. Find one of those problems you listed that you think has an achievable solution. Don't try to fix them all at once. Pare it down to something a team of a few people could accomplish. If it requires BOINC or SETI@home involvement, talk to me about it. Then find a few volunteers and get it done. Once it's done, nobody is going to say "no, don't do that." Unless it's bad for people who run BOINC, then 700,000 people may say "no, don't do that." And if it involves credit changes, there will be a large and vocal opposition regardless of what the change is.

I don't have personnel to offer. I can't help with daily or even weekly management. If you need a mailing list or a web site, that I can probably help with. If you want the word "official" I can give you that (for SETI@home at least).

Which do you think sounds better to upper management? "These are the problems you need to solve." --or-- "This was one of the problems you needed to solve. Here, I've solved it for you."
994) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's still out of adjectives post #13: A good year for hardware... (Message 730680)
Posted 26 Mar 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I know I promised my next post would happen quickly, but I'm an astronomer, and astronomers consider anything that takes less than a few million years to be quickly. I was going to post yesterday, but I got immersed in coding. Specifically fixing some compile problems in BOINC caused by the assumption that all the world is Visual C++, or Linux, or MacOS, rather than a mixture of all three and quite a few more. By the time I looked at a clock it was 7pm and time to pick up Angela and head home. After dinner, I did a trade study on the benefits of blogging versus having a glass of wine and going to bed. Wine and bed won out by a narrow margin.

It's been a good year for hardware donations. On Friday a box from John Galt 007 showed up containing an HP quad Xeon 2.8GHz 10GB server. Matt's working on getting it set up. This one is probably going to have a multipurpose existence as a web and download server and as our way into the lab from the outside. Right our login gateway is Milkyway (our former web server) an dual 450MHz SPARC with 1GB running Solaris. While a 450MHz processor might be fine for tunneling one X11 session over compressed secure shell, it really suffers when we all need to be logged in at once. A quad 2.8GHz should do the job much better, even if it's also acting as a download server. We haven't decided on a name for this machine, but we're considering resurrecting the name "clarke" in honor of our recently departed friend. The old "clarke" was also an HP machine, a dual 750MHz PIII running Solaris that acted as a database server for our Galactic hydrogen studies. Everyone should thank John and add him to your friends list....

Our old web host Milkyway's job is being done by another donated machine that arrived earlier this year. It's a 1U dual 2.4GHz Opteron 16GB machine that we are calling thinman. The donor prefers to remain anonymous, but I'll just mention that the donor has been very generous to us, and more recently sent us a remotely accessible KVM switch with cables for 10 machines. He/she knows who he/she is, so I'll say another "Thank you/you". Damn, I wish there were a gender neutral third person pronoun in English.

We've also gotten an offer to donate a few more, but slightly less capable, machines. If that comes through we should be looking good for the near future. Even at our maximum sending rate (currently we can hit 90 Mbps on our 100 Mbps link) we shouldn't be taxing the servers we'll have. So we should be good until we can convince a commercial donor to donate the equipment ($30K or so) we need for gigabit connectivity down to campus (and therefore the rest of the internet). Dan's been working on that one....

So that's it for now. I'm off to lunch with the crew.
995) Message boards : Politics : Interest falling away (Message 730111)
Posted 25 Mar 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry for being so late about replying to this. It's been a hell of a day. (Check Matt's post in Tech News) And that's one of the problems. It's always a hell of a day. Therefore I haven't had a chance to digest the thread and reply to specific points. I'll try to get to some of that tomorrow. I also have a hardware donation announcement/update to make tomorrow.

The loss rate of about 1.5% per month is typical for times between press releases and other news. I take comfort in the fact that we are well above the 160,000 active users we had a year ago. But losing volunteers isn't ever a good thing, especially when we need more.

I don't think we can ascribe the loss to a single cause. Lack of project news certainly plays a part. As much as I try to convince the principle SETI@home people to make regular postings to the forums, Matt is the only one that seems to manage. I, with my post every month or so blog, am in second place. Jeff has posted once or twice to the tech news, as has Bob. Dan has never posted, and David has BOINC related fish to fry. Some of this is just the way we operate. Work till you drop and then work some more in a prone position. If I could just convince them that postings are part of work... Or myself for that matter... (You'll notice I'm doing this on my own time. But then again I do a lot of work for SETI@home on my own time.) The servers will work tomorrow if I don't post. They might not if I do.

Another big issue is the rate at which people replace their computers. If we assume that people replace their computers every 3 years, that works out to 2.8% a month. If nobody ever installed BOINC on a new machine, that's the rate at which we would lose volunteers. And since reinstalling BOINC, and reattaching to your projects, isn't the simplest thing in the world, some people may just not be doing it. We have a system that send emails reminding people if they have dropped off the project, or telling them where to get help if they never were able to return a result, but that was turned off for the donation drive. Matt should be turning it back on soon. We'll see if that makes a difference to our rate of decline.

As for the rate of news releases, I'm hoping to find an interested journalism student to work with us for the summer (at least). Having someone who's job it is to help us get the info and progress reports out to the world would help immensely. The perspective would help as well. Sometimes it's hard to see that what you're working on is interesting when it's your job. We've also got a task list for interested comp. sci., engineering, and physics students. Hopefully we'll find some good ones.

Regarding salaries (the post at the top as I write this), we do earn salaries. None of us are getting rich off of SETI@home. We would all be able to earn more money by quitting and getting jobs in industry. Some of our former employees have done just that. By staying with SETI@home, I manage earn significantly less than former students and post docs of mine. Six people currently pull salaries from the SETI@home grants and donations, but since nobody is paid full time we really have about 3 full time equivalent (FTE) employees. One more FTE would mean 33% more effort put towards the project. We'd like to hire that additional person, but we don't have the money to do it. So we do what we can with what we have and that leave us with little time to make posts telling what we're doing.

I'll try to read some of the posts that are farther down tomorrow and respond to your other concerns.
996) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Congratulations to Project Scientist Dr. Eric Korpela (Message 725567)
Posted 13 Mar 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks, I hadn't even noticed. :)

Let me know when my combined SETI@home+Beta reaches 2 million.

Eric



Thursday - March 13, 2008 . . .

Congratulations to Project Scientist Dr. Eric Korpela - for crunching more than 1,000,000 SETI@home Credits . . .

< Well done Sir!!




997) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation Error - Bad Workunit Header (Message 723775)
Posted 9 Mar 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks. I think I have identified the problem and am working to solve it.

Eric
998) Message boards : Number crunching : Solution to Download Woes (Message 716498)
Posted 21 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Guys,

We're having problems getting the donation total details from campus. Apparently they changed the format of the emails they send us about donations which broke our donation parsing scripts. Apparently the new format is so broken that it's barely even human readable.

Matt's talking to the people on campus about what exactly this new format is supposed to be. I'm at Kitt Peak so I can't help him. If worse comes to worse, we'll have to go the the University spreadsheets (of all donations) and find the correct ones by hand.

Eric
999) Message boards : Number crunching : Rash of Validate errors (Message 716172)
Posted 21 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:



2/17/2008 9:50:20 PM|SETI@home|Starting task 05dc06ae.16424.4980.7.7.100_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
2/17/2008 9:50:23 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of 30dc06af.6706.15205.12.7.171_2_0
2/17/2008 9:50:24 PM|SETI@home|[error] Error on file upload: no command
2/17/2008 9:50:24 PM|SETI@home|Giving up on upload of 30dc06af.6706.15205.12.7.171_2_0: fatal upload error


Hmmmm... This is a new one to me. The BOINC client is sucessfully connecting to the server and the transfer happens and completes without TCP errors, but what we receive of the communications is missing vital portions. I'll let Matt and Jeff know about it. It probably had something to do with the weekend server problems. Has anyone seen it since the 17th?

Eric
1000) Message boards : Number crunching : Redundant result? (Message 716157)
Posted 21 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yep, you're right. My bad. BOINC just doesn't have enough error code states to distinguish between "cancelled due to redundancy" and "cancelled because the host reset or detached and reattached" and "cancelled because the project decided to cancel that workunit and associated results".

I recently had a CPID change happen to a BOINC update from 5.X to 6.X. Apparently some XML file is not being copied properly from the "c:\\Program Files\\BOINC" location to the "c:\\Documents and Settings\\..." location. I've let Rom know about that problem, but I'm not sure it's related to this. Those were not service installations. You might want to drop Rom (or boinc_dev) a line on this one to let them know there may be a problem. Assuming you haven't already.

When I get back home from KPNO, I'm going to try a 5.X to the latest 6.X update on another machine.

Eric
1001) Message boards : Cafe SETI : It's Fuzzy's Birthday February 20th! (Message 716081)
Posted 21 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Damn, missed it again! Happy Birthday anyway. :)
1002) Message boards : Number crunching : An Open Challenge (Message 715011)
Posted 18 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It would be great to get these companies more involved in SETI@home. The hard part for us has been to find the right contacts within the companies. Most of the contacts that we did have in the past (around when SETI@home started) have evaporated as people changed jobs and moved to different companies.

One other potential problem is that some of the companies have products or subsidiaries that can be seen to be in competition with BOINC (if you squint really hard). (I.E. some people seem to think that BOINC is in competition with clustering products, even though its not.)

If anyone has ideas on how to get the ball rolling, feel free to send me a PM.

1003) Message boards : Number crunching : Solution to Download Woes (Message 715008)
Posted 18 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

So far, we're doing good with donations! I'll ask Blurf if he can give us a progress report before the weekend.


Matts out of town until tomorrow and his donation processing script is off-line, so we probably can't get a total until tomorrow. Regardless, before we install a new server we need to get the replacement router in place. Right now we seem to be hitting a limit at the router. The new (O.K. preowned) one should be able to handle 5X the traffic that the current one can, which should max out our 100 Mbps pipe down the hill. Unfortunately it's probably not enough for the long term and we'll need to spend about $30K upgrading to a gigabit connection to the rest of the world in the coming year or so.

That's not to say we don't need this system... We always seem to have too few CPU heads for what we need to do with them, especially since vader and bane are both on downloads it means we don't have the CPUs available for the NTPCKR because dropped connections aren't prioritized by type. If you might drop NFS or database connections it makes the download servers too unreliable to also run science post-processing on them.


If you want rack rails, add $300. If you want 16GB of RAM, add $600. If you want dual power supplies, add another $300 or so.


We'll probably want all three of those. If there's one thing we always have a problem with it's rails. There don't appear to be any standards, and every case seems to be different. On one system we got, the left rail was the right length and the right rail was too short. Who knows why... The rails we got with ptolemy had the wrong hole spacings for the case. Dual power supplies are almost necessary for high availability, although on occasion we've had one supply fail in a way that killed the other one nearly simultaneously.

I can't guarantee we will buy at Dell. It depends upon other things like support contracts that we might want to put it on, since additional systems can be added to existing contracts more cheaply if we buy from the place where we have support. But once we have the Dell price we will probably be able to get the other vendors to meet it if we threaten to buy from Dell.

1004) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Curious why people don't donate to Seti@home (Message 714358)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I'll donate if the Cafe, Politics, Science(non-SETI) and Team Recruitment Center forums are permanently closed and deleted. Replacing them with newly named similar forums voids this offer.


We've had that discussion before and the jury is still deadlocked.
1005) Questions and Answers : Windows : SETI task doing nothing (Message 712511)
Posted 14 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Hi Rutger,

Next time it ends up in this state could you send a list of the files in the slot directory that SETI@home is running in? I'm interested in whether state.sah and wisdom.sah exist. That'll give me some idea where it is hanging and whether it is executing at all.

If state.sah exists, please send the contents.

Eric


BTW nothing special in the slots directories either, however I saved the init_data.xml from the SETI slot the last time it was doing nothing. A boinc_lockfile was also present in this slot at this time.

1006) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Out of Adjectives Post #12: Credit pandemonium (Message 711808)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric Korpela is God!!


A lot of people make that mistake. I think it's the beard and the near omniscience that confuses people.

;)
1007) Message boards : Help Wanted : Help Wanted: Playstation 3 Porter (Message 711268)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We are looking for a volunteer to port SETI@home to the Playstation 3/Cell Broadband Engine architecture. Current PS3 ports exists, but to our knowledge all run on using only the PowerPC portions of the Cell processor rather than on the SPEs.

The final goal of this task will be to have a PS3 SETI@home application that can be downloaded from the SETI@home server and a live-drive Linux+BOINC distribution that can be installed on a pen drive in the same manner as is done for PS3GRID.

If you are interested in working on the PS3 port send me a private message or email korpela at ssl.berkeley.edu. (Waning: I have a fairly difficult spam filter.)
1008) Message boards : Help Wanted : Welcome to the "Help Wanted" forum. (Message 711250)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi everybody. As most of you know, SETI@home is very short staffed. From time to time we could use volunteers to help us with some development tasks.

As we define new tasks that we need help with, we'll post "Help Wanted" ads in this forum. This forum is set up so no replies to messages will be possible. If you want to volunteer, there will be contact information in the ads we post. If you know someone who might be interested in volunteering on one of the tasks, point them towards the message describing the task.

Thanks!

Eric

1009) Message boards : SETI@home Science : SETI@home in the News (Message 709003)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This is a new thread dedicated to links of recent news reports or magazine articles about SETI and SETI@home to act as a repository where people can find them, at least until their web sites drop them.

When posting a link, please include the name of the source (organization and author if applicable) and the title of the article in a format similar to these.

Jan 2, 2008 - Ned Potter, ABC News Blogs, Anyone Out There?

Jan 8, 2008 - Larry O'Hanlon, Discovery News, Alien-Searching Telescope Gets Power Boost

Jan 4, 2008 - Diann Daniel, CIO.com, SETI@home: Why the Search for E.T. Needs Your Computer
1010) Message boards : Number crunching : Stop hoarding w/u's and not doing them! (Message 708965)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
In most cases, I doubt it's hoarding of workunits. Most people keep their queues down to less than a week. I'm guessing most of these are just lost workunits.

There are many ways for workunits to get lost, unfortunately. If a user needs to reset the project in order to clear up an error conditions, the results can get lost. Some get lost if our server is overloaded and the computer requesting work never gets informed of which workunits to download. And, of course, some fraction of people just stop running BOINC after a while.

Unfortunately this problem has gotten worse since we turned off the "resend lost results" feature because it was wrecking our database performance. With that feature on, if a user did a "reset project" they would get the same workunits that they already had on that machine. If they missed the message telling them which workunits to do they would get it next time they contacted the server.

I'll look at the stats on returned results to see if we can decrease the timeouts. Other than that, there's not much that can be done unless we find some way to send lost results that doesn't load down the database.

I'm waiting on credit for a result I returned on 25 November. Overall there should be few enough of these that your RAC won't be affected significantly.
1011) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Out of Adjectives Post #12: Credit pandemonium (Message 708823)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Just because people perceive they have value, doesn't mean they have;


Again IANAE, but isn't the lesson of economics that things only have value because people perceive that they have value? A transaction is where people exchange something they value to get something they value more. In the case of BOINC projects, people give up their excess computing power in exchange for a combination of advancing the science, earning credits, and being part of a community. Each person will place a different value on each of those three items, but it's important that the projects recognize that all three are of value to some of their participants.
1012) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Out of Adjectives Post #12: Credit pandemonium (Message 708818)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

BTW, my condolences to all in your household for the departed furry companion.


Thanks. She was a sweet cat and she is missed. But we're getting used to life without her. Have I mentioned that death sucks?
1013) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Out of Adjectives Post #12: Credit pandemonium (Message 708614)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I'm not angry because I feel the change would be "bad" for me. I'm not even really "angry", per se. I reacted strongly to the wording of David's message. I find it very troubling that he would even consider asking the factual data to be manipulated at the stats sites. That, at least to me, seems to go against the foundation of the Scientific Method.


I guess the question in my mind is not whether the factual data at the stats sites is going to be modified, but if some projects are granting too much or too little credit, can we consider the stats sites to be "factual data".



Anyway, the notion of equivalent credit per cpu second is a good notion. However it takes more work than just stating that Project X is the baseline and you must rig your credits to be 0.8X - 1.2X the value of Project X. All you're doing is rigging credits. You're not addressing the performance of a processor on various projects, like how some projects appear to use more L2 cache than others.


The problem is that there is no objective way to compare this across projects. Right now it is entirely subjective, as in "I feel my project is more efficient than others so I am going to grant more credits." It's possible to determine this within a project, for example it can be measured that SETI@home 5.27 is 68% faster than SETI@home 5.12 since they do the same thing. I could not tell you whether SETI@home is more efficient at using processor resources than, say, climateprediction.net. I can believe it is, for a variety of logical reasons. But someone else can believe it isn't for a different variety of logical reasons.

As far as L2 cache goes, the reason people assume some projects use more than others is that their run time is highly dependent upon the size of L2 cache. That doesn't necessarily mean they are more highly optimized, although it could be. Then again, they could just be inefficient in the manner in which they use L2 cache which causes more spills than necessary on machines with small L2 caches. Given what simple things, like reordering routines in memory, can do to run times I'm not prepared to make anything like a definitive answer to why these the differences are there.


Another interesting aspect is that since the science application here is Open Source, people have been free to work on optimizations, including processor architecture optimizations. Other projects do not have open source applications nor do they have resources to put into optimization.


That is true, and it's also one of the reasons it's impossible to compare relative real work done by the different projects.

I encourage any project that is able to release its application as open source to do so. SETI@home actually has less financial resources than many (or even most) other BOINC projects. Releasing open source applications is the only way we were able to get optimized applications. People volunteered to do the optimizing for us. (Thank you to Ben, Joe, Tetsuji, Alex, Simon, Crunch3r, and others for helping and pushing on the optimizations.) Using the GPL was the only way were able to get many of these optimizations back into our stock application. Of course a CPU specific app still beats the generic stock application, but it's not as big a margin as it used to be.


As such, one likely outcome of mandating SETI as the standard will mean that those who you "fear" that run to projects on the amount of credits granted would realize that cr/sec would be higher than the "1.0" baseline if one were to use the optimized application.


Definitely true. Because of this, someone crunching for credits is better off going to an open source project where they can find an optimized application. That makes it a benefit for an application to be open source, and I personally think that's a plus, although projects with closed source apps might find it to be a minus. On the minus side, being open source will also drive some people crunching for credits to find the project with the most poorly optimized stock application, since that's where they would get the most credit. (IOW, an optimized app can run 10X the speed of a poorly optimized stock app and generate 10X the credits, whereas if the stock app is well optimized, a processor specific app might only be able to go 2X as fast and generate 2X the credits.) I really don't know how to fix this problem, and that's part of the reason why we're having this discussion.


As such, a mandate by the Director of this project that all projects must conform to this project is at best a conflict of interest.


You'll get no argument from me that David's position as BOINC Director and SETI@home Director puts him in a conflict of interest. Recent experience has show that given a conflict, David will act in what he perceives as the best interests of BOINC, even if that is to the detriment of SETI@home. This edict is one example. By acting in the best interest (as he sees it) of BOINC (trying to make a uniform credit standard) he has angered some people who run SETI@home and driven them away from the project. This has been detrimental to SETI@home both in loss of crunching power and in tarnishing the image of the project.

It is logical for him to act this way, since all of his funding is directed toward BOINC as are his main interests. Currently SETI@home receives no funding from David's BOINC development grants, and SETI@home funds pay none of David's salary or expenses. In his position, I would do the same. In my position I will speak for the interests of SETI@home, even when they conflict with the interests of BOINC. Again, it's only logical that I do so.

David's position as Director of SETI@home has been largely symbolic of late. He does no direction of the day to day operation or of the science goals of the project. His main interest in SETI@home currently is as the most visible BOINC project and the primary large testing ground for new BOINC features.

The term Director itself is also misleading. Even when David was actively being "Director" of SETI@home (apart from the initial development period and early in the public release), there were very few decisions that required direction. Even then most decisions regarding the direction of SETI@home were made by Matt, Jeff, and myself with some input from Dan.

I also agree that it was unwise for David to approach credit normalization as a mandate from above. The informal agreement to have approximate credit parity is an agreement among the project leaders, not an edict from the BOINC project. The correct way to approach the matter would have been to have an open discussion of the issue rather than a curt message that seemed to demand compliance. Since then I have been discussing the issues with some of the other projects and I think that we will come to a workable (and reasonably fair) solution in a short time, but no perfect solution is anywhere on the horizon.

This in not to underestimate David's contributions to SETI@home. He still contributes to the development of the application (most recently the graphics in the version 6.0 application that is in beta now) and the design and development of the web site. And SETI@home wouldn't be where it is now without David's work on BOINC. But occasionally BOINC and SETI@home will be in conflict.


Finally, you'll note that I have stopped participation in doing tasks for this project. At this point I do not know if I will return. I had already started feeling that this project has less immediate scientific merit than the projects I am currently working on (Einstein, LHC, and Cosmology). This noise, and in particular David's behavior, turned me away...


I hope you will continue to focus on the scientific merit of projects when choosing what to crunch. It's the way I choose. Regarding David's behavior, at the time he was speaking for BOINC, not for SETI@home. Sometimes it's hard to see the difference, but it is there.
1014) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Adopt A Scientist Program (Message 708163)
Posted 4 Feb 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
But are they house trained?


I suppose you could ask Angela...
1015) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Out of Adjectives Post #12: Credit pandemonium (Message 705408)
Posted 29 Jan 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's been a while again. One of my new year's resolutions is to post more frequently. A lot has happened since the last time I posted. The winter funding drive, working on the version 6.0 SETI@home application (which is in beta with few problems), continued work on adding the database structures to support the NTPCKR, etc. I went to a depressing American Astronomical Society conference in Austin (depressing because of the NASA and NSF funding situations) where I picked up a nasty flu which had me laid out for a week, and from which my lungs are still recovering. And the information cascade failure we call the U.S. presidential primary system has begun. To top it all off, last weekend one of our cats died. But, by request, I'm going to talk about something else entirely. This is also going to be long-winded. There's a lot of back-story and more issues than can really be fully explored, but I want to get it all down somewhere accessible.

There was a bit of a uproar in the last couple weeks about BOINC credit system and possible changes to it. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last time it comes up. And every time it comes up, there will be people who get angry because they feel the change will be bad for them.

The BOINC credit system is a sort of artificial economic system. I'm not an economist, and I've never taken a class on economics, so I know very little about economic systems. So I may get some details of this wrong.

In the BOINC credit system, credits take the place of money. Projects pay you for your CPU time in credits, and with your credits, you buy bragging rights or ranking in a list. It seems somewhat odd to me, but there are people who run BOINC only for the purpose of earning credits and who will change projects to maximize their earnings.

In an ideal world, a BOINC credit would be equal to a fixed amount of work actually done. This would be the equivalent of the Gold standard, where the supply of money is fixed by the amount of gold. In this case the amount of BOINC credit is set by the amount of work that the machines running BOINC do. But of course the world isn't ideal. It's actually very difficult to measure the actual amount of work done by an application program. It's also difficult to define exactly what work is. On the other hand it's fairly easy for the BOINC application to approximate the maximum amount of work that a processor is capable of doing.

So when BOINC started, the general means of granting credit was to multiply the measurement of maximum work capability time the CPU time used. This has several problems... Different versions of BOINC give different estimates of maximum work capability and processors have different efficiencies. That means that different machines would claim different amounts of credit for the same amount of work. That's the equivalent of using gold coins with an unknown percentage of gold in them. The other problem is that some people use applications optimized for their specific processor, which can be much faster than a generalized application. These machines would ask for less credit than they were owed. It led to a lot of complaints about people being granted too much or too little credit.

There was also a problem when we released updated, more highly optimized applications. Run times decreased and therefore granted credits decreased for the same amount of work. For people running the stock application, this was hardly noticed, since they got roughly the same amount of credit per day. People running optimized applications which had been 8X as fast as the generic stock application were now only running applications that were 2X or 3X as fast as the stock application. Their rate of credit accumulation went down because of it and some of them got angry and left the project. Let that sink in... Some people left the project because the project had become more efficient. In economic terms, optimizing the stock application when granting credit based upon CPU time is deflationary. Less credit is granted for the same amount of work. Deflation is considered a "bad thing" for multiple reasons.

So we modified the application to grant a specific amount of credit for each floating point operation in the application, essentially moving back toward the gold standard. To keep the rate of granted credit roughly constant for the same machine, we instituted a multiplier that would set the number of credits each floating point operation generated. That was released without much problem, aside from some complaints from people whose rates went down by 10 to 20%. There were as many people whose rates went up by 10 to 20%, but they didn't complain.

But more optimizations were incorporated into the application. At first, in the beta project, we didn't change the credit multiplier. That made the rate at which credits were being granted go up. I started to see complaints from other projects, and users that ran multiple projects that the SETI beta was granting more credit per day than other projects on the same machine. When granting constant credit per unit work, optimizing the application is inflationary. If something wasn't done, other projects would start increasing the amount of credit they granted to match.

An even worse possibility is that projects would start increasing the amount of credit they grant as a means of attracting crunchers. In this case the "money supply" is not fixed by any mechanism. There is nothing that physically prevents a project from granting 10X, 100X, or a million times as much credit per CPU second as SETI@home does. To combat this potential for hyper-inflation, there is an unwritten agreement among BOINC projects that we will strive to achieve credit parity. That is to say, a specific machine should generate the same number of credits per day whether it runs SETI@home, Einstein@home, or Rosetta@home. That allows volunteers to base their decisions of which projects to support based upon the goals of the project, rather than the amount of credit they grant.

Of course this isn't perfect either. Every time we release a new version of SETI@home, we need to adjust the credit multiplier. That takes quite a bit of work, and even then it isn't perfect. Right now SETI@home is granting 10 to 15% more credit than it should. The credit granted per CPU time also varies depending upon the details of the work unit. Neither of these problems will be solved before SETI@home version 6 is released. Maybe not even then. It would be nice if there were some sort of automation for determining the credit multiplier on the fly.

A couple weeks ago, David posted a message to the boinc_projects mailing list requesting that projects normalize the amount of credit they grant to SETI@home. Some of the projects were granting 75% of the credit SETI@home does. Others were granting up to 3 times as much credit as SETI@home does. Since new BOINC projects come along all of the time, the managers of these projects may not have been aware of the informal agreement to maintain credit parity. It appears that most, if not all projects, will do so. I think all of the project managers understand the potential for credit inflation, and understand that it would be damaging to the projects and to BOINC overall. Some people, especially those that had migrated to high credit projects in order to maximize the number of credits they earn, felt that David's request was an unwarranted ultimatum intended to coerce projects into compliance. While I understand that David could have used more diplomatic language, I don't think that the message was an ultimatum, because David really doesn't hold enough power to drive compliance.

I ask those that have complained that previously high credit projects will reduce their credit multipliers to understand that BOINC credits have value because they represent an amount of work that can be compared. Credit inflation destroys that value. If I were to raise the SETI@home credit multiplier by a factor of 10, the credits you have earned so far will lose 90% of their value. Someone could earn the same number of credits in a tenth of the time. Other BOINC projects would probably be forced to raise their credit multipliers, in order to retain the "I crunch for credit" crowd. Of course some projects will attempt to retaliate against SETI@home by increasing theirs by a factor of 20. Very soon after that, BOINC credits would lose all value and meaning. Cross project comparisons become impossible.

Shortly after his first message, David released a credit proposal that would address some of these issues. Like all proposals, it has good features and it has bad features. I doubt that it will be implemented in anything close to its present form. The essence of the proposal is "In any project, the average machine should receive 100 credits per day if it participates full time."

There are some benefits to this proposal. First, a project can determine its credit multiplier without referencing other projects. All that needs to be done is to figure out how many credits per day the average machine gets and adjust the multiplier higher or lower to achieve 100. This could even be automated in the BOINC server software. That's less work for me to do manually, so I'm all for that.

The proposed scheme contains incentive to work on non-competing projects as they become available. For example an average machine could earn 100 credits per day running a CPU intensive project like SETI@home, while simultaneously earning 100 credits per day running a storage project, and 100 credits per day running a network intensive project.

There are also some fairly major drawbacks, and that is why I think it won't be implemented as is. First, it's immediately deflationary. The average host that connected to SETI@home today earns 292 credits per day, which is significantly more than 100. There would be strong (perhaps irresistible) demand for projects to keep their current credit scheme for as long as possible.

Second, it's deflationary over time. If Moore's law holds, the average host a year from now will earn 470 credits per day. So under the proposed credit scheme a host that earns 100 credits per day today would earn about 62 credits per day a year from now. It violates the idea that was implicit in earlier credit schemes, equal credit for equal work.

But in order to have an better scheme implemented, its incumbent upon the projects, and therefore me, to propose something that has the same benefits without the drawbacks. I'm thinking about it now. Ideas are welcomed.

EDIT: I forgot to include number of processors in my average credit per day calculation. The average host currently earns 535 credits per day not 292. The average host has 1.65 processors.
1016) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Friend Request (Message 703463)
Posted 24 Jan 2008 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I just want to know why Eric is No. 2 on your list and Pappa is No. 1. :-p


It's Misfit's fault...

Um, I mean Misfit's right (old habits die hard). The MYSQL select statement is unordered, but since we reorder the database every Tuesday by ID, most of the time things will probably be presented in ID order.

Even though I started running SETI@home on November 24, 4714 B.C. and my SETI Classic ID number was 2, I didn't create a BOINC account until late in the game.

I wonder whatever happened to Carolyn... The clinic was a hoot.

Eric
1017) Message boards : Number crunching : Near Time Persistency Checker (NTPCKR) (Message 692649)
Posted 18 Dec 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Has any consideration been given to the feasibility of creating a BOINC project to do the analysis targeted for the NTPCKR???


I've thought quite a bit about doing just that: distributing each user all of the signals in an area of sky a few beam-widths across and having a distributed nitpicker. There are a few problems with this approach that we'll need to resolve before we could do this...

1. We're fairly certain that the speed of the nitpicker will be dominated by how fast signals can be pulled out of the database. A typical beamwidth on the sky will have a few hundred signals, so an area a few beamwidths across will have a few thousand signal. It'll take a few seconds to pull those out of the database, and then a few hundred milliseconds to run the nitpicker on them, and a few seconds to insert the results back into the database. In order to overcome this bottleneck we would need to devise a way of only sending out the signals that have arrived since the last time the host that handles that sky area had checked in.

2. The nitpicker might need to know things about the RFI environment at the time of the observation. We would need to distribute that info with the signals.

3. The nitpicker and RFI rejection are conceived of as an iterative process... i.e. we run the nitpicker, then run RFI rejection on the best candidates and then send them back through the nitpicker. That scheme would be more difficult to distribute without increasing the server-client communications or implementing RFI rejection in the distributed nitpicker.

4. It doesn't take any less effort to develop a distributed nitpicker than it does to develop a non-distributed nitpicker. In fact it will take more effort. The main delay in implementing the nitpicker is that, because we're short handed, Jeff is spending to much time on keeping the servers running and not enough time on the nitpicker development. (It's not his fault. It's just the way things are.) Trying to develop a distributed nitpicker might delay the nitpicker development more than concentrating on a non-distributed one would.

So for the time being we'll develop the simpler non-distributed nitpicker. If it turns out that it's not fast enough to keep up or if the server requirements grow too large, then we'll consider putting in the time and effort of developing a distributed version.

Eric
1018) Message boards : Politics : Importance of the forums to SETI@home funding. (Message 688482)
Posted 4 Dec 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Because the question has been asked, I decided to do a little research into the importance of the forums to SETI@home funding.

In the past two years, 5487 identifiable SETI@home accounts have donated. Of those, 1018 have posted at least one message to the SETI@home forums. The remaining 4469 have not. This does not include donors who do not have a SETI@home account or did not identify their SETI@home account.

The average donation from non-posters was $47.37. The average donation from posters was $47.77. Coincidentally, the posters who donated had posted an average of 47 times. The median, however, was only 4 posts, so most donating posters rarely post.

Since 22,716 accounts have posted to the SETI@home forums, 4.5% of posters to the forums have donated, compared with about 0.4% of SETI@home volunteers in general.

In the past two years, non-posters have provided 49% of SETI@home funding, poster have provided 13% and donors without accounts (or who did not provide their account info) have provided 38%.

There is a slight tendency for amount of donations and tendency to donate to increase with increasing number of posts. People who donated and have also posted more than 1000 times donated an average of $63.41. In addition, 47% of the people who have posted more than 1000 times have donated.

Anyway, those are the statistics on posters. We have no easy way to get statistics on readers of the forums who do not post.

Eric
1019) Questions and Answers : Web site : Removing name details (Message 688029)
Posted 3 Dec 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I would also like to have my name removed from an old SETI class page.

http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/classpages/days/2451442.html



Which one is you? You can send me a private message...

Eric
1020) Questions and Answers : Windows : Restarting (Message 687933)
Posted 2 Dec 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you have this problem, please include your BOINC version and whether it is a multi-user, single-user or a service install (if running under windows).

1021) Message boards : Politics : Why Astro got banished and other issues on moderation policy. (Message 687921)
Posted 2 Dec 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

{Paraphrased} Why don't all the moderators vote on a banishment?


There are a number of reasons. First, a moderator could choose not to vote. For example some moderators only moderate in certain forums or only on weekends (by choice). Second, because not all of the moderators are awake at the same time. It's a big planet, and if votes are going to take less than 24 hours, you can't guarantee that everyone will be awake for the vote.

There is a trade off between length of the temporary ban that occurs during a vote and the desire to have more voting moderators. Right now the vote duration is 6 hours, which means that the poster is banished for 6 hours even if the vote results in them not being banished. We could change that to 24 hours if you wanted, but then anyone can be banished for 24 hours just by a moderator requesting a vote.


How many juries do you know of where the name of each juror and their vote are made public? There is a reason for the anonymity.


Also, don't forget that part of the reason for that anonymity is so that moderators don't feel pressured by other moderators to vote in a specific manner. Even I don't look at who voted and how. A public vote will guarantee bullying in an attempt to affect the outcome.
1022) Message boards : Politics : Why Astro got banished and other issues on moderation policy. (Message 687910)
Posted 2 Dec 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Dear Eric, Have your 2, 3 Uber-bullies told you who is to be considered as one of the evil ones and who is to be banned?


Every moderator that has moderated more than a few posts gets accused of being a bully. There are many frequent posters upon which the charge of being a bully has also been levied. Usually I find that "bully" means "they said or did something that I didn't like."


I know, to you the project has priority over the board. - But is money really influencing your judgment so much more than the common sense? Are donations really more important than a peaceful board? I hope that's not the case.


I don't see where this comes from. Are you theorizing that someone is making donations that are contingent on keeping the current moderators in power? If so are you assuming such donations would be of sufficient quantity to influence how I act? If so you greatly underestimate my price.

If donations are a prime driver, then shutting down the forums is probably a GOOD idea.
1023) Message boards : Politics : Why Astro got banished and other issues on moderation policy. (Message 687011)
Posted 1 Dec 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I wonder why Esme got banished...


I don't think its necessary for us to discuss every banishment, nor will we. I think this would fall under the category of "comments related to specific moderator action."

It would be difficult to discuss the specifics without including the contents of deleted posts. The fourth and fifth bullet points under the rules you see when you post would probably be the ones of interest.

Eric
1024) Questions and Answers : Windows : cant download setiathome_5.27_windows_intelx86.exe (Message 686346)
Posted 29 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

It should be fixed. Does it work now?

Eric
1025) Questions and Answers : Windows : cant download setiathome_5.27_windows_intelx86.exe (Message 686291)
Posted 29 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Rajiv,

I think I know what the problem is... The executable is configured to be downloaded through coral cache, and for some reason your machine is unable to resolve the coral cache host name. We had only intended for this to be done during the initial application release. I will remove the forwarding from our apache configuration.

Eric
1026) Message boards : Politics : Rules for Posting as I understand them. (Message 685327)
Posted 27 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Nobody could reasonably think the joke with the cat carrier could be not kid friendly.


If you think sticking a metal spike up the anus of any living creature is "kid friendly" you have a weird definition of kid friendly.

1027) Message boards : Politics : Why Astro got banished and other issues on moderation policy. (Message 685324)
Posted 27 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

There has been a lot of speculation and misinformation on why Astro got banished, so I'll put an end to it. The reason is actually quite simple: Astro created a new account for the purpose of insulting and antagonizing another user. That account was banished. It is our policy that when a user creates multiple accounts, if one account gets banished they all get banished. To do otherwise would open the doors for people to just create multiple accounts for posting offensive material so their main account isn't at risk.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who think an exception should be made in the case of "people we like." I have made exceptions in moderation policy in the past, and have always come to regret it. I'm not going to be making such exceptions in the future.

As long as the forums are moderated, there will be people who have issues about where the lines are drawn and what is offensive. One person's joke is another persons endorsement of animal cruelty. There are also always going to be people who do their best to push the limits. Worse, there are going to be people who deliberately harass the moderators both on and off of the forums. Those people should not be surprised when they find themselves on the wrong side of the line.

We're rapidly approaching the first anniversary of the day the forums became "my problem". They became "my problem" because I was the only member of the staff who felt that we shouldn't just get rid of them. If the options were returning to where they were a year ago or closing them, I'd choose closing them.

A year later, and even though some things have improved (IMHO), I'm still the only member of the staff who thinks the forums serve a useful purpose.

Perhaps the rest of the crew is correct. The purpose of SETI@home is not to have forums, and every minute I spend dealing with them is a minute diverted away from the science. I'm not ready to abandon them yet, but every time someone raises a stink because they didn't like where the lines were drawn I get closer to that point.

1028) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit for stolen laptop (Message 680650)
Posted 18 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I've sent a PM to Roy.

Thanks,

Eric
1029) Message boards : Number crunching : Request to staff - weakness in BOINC? (Message 676334)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll redo the validation on anything marked "no consensus" to see if that clears the blockage.

1030) Questions and Answers : Windows : I give up on Seti (Message 674714)
Posted 9 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Spider_G

Thanks to John for bringing this to my attention.

I've played with this on my own computer and I think that BOINC is just displaying is just using poor english. The message "restarting" in this case means "resuming". Even though the message says "restarting" when I look at the SETI@home data and state files, it is clear that the process is resuming. If you go to the tasks tab, you should see that the progress does not get reset to zero.

I'll look at jsabin's problem next.

Eric




After Task Suspender by user on all Seti Enhanced 5.27
It started running Seti Enhanced 5.28 units I get the following:

09/11/07 18:03:45|SETI@home|Restarting task 10fe07ag.22034.4572.16.6.75_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
09/11/07 18:30:42|SETI@home|Restarting task 10fe07ag.22034.4572.16.6.90_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
09/11/07 18:35:12|SETI@home|Restarting task 10fe07ag.22034.4572.16.6.182_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
09/11/07 18:35:17|SETI@home|Restarting task 10fe07ag.22034.4572.16.6.199_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
09/11/07 18:35:20|SETI@home|Restarting task 10fe07ag.22034.4572.16.6.80_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
09/11/07 18:35:21|SETI@home|Restarting task 10fe07ag.22034.4572.16.6.142_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
09/11/07 18:35:21|SETI@home|Starting 10fe07aa.6606.10706.12.6.187_2
09/11/07 18:35:21|SETI@home|Starting task 10fe07aa.6606.10706.12.6.187_2 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
09/11/07 18:35:25|SETI@home|Starting 11fe07aa.24249.11524.10.6.129_1
09/11/07 18:35:25|SETI@home|Starting task 11fe07aa.24249.11524.10.6.129_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 528
09/11/07 18:35:25|SETI@home|Starting 14fe07ab.15732.890.5.6.252_0
09/11/07 18:35:25|SETI@home|Starting task 14fe07ab.15732.890.5.6.252_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 528
09/11/07 20:23:36|SETI@home|Restarting task 14fe07ab.15732.890.5.6.252_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 528
09/11/07 20:33:44|SETI@home|Restarting task 11fe07aa.24249.11524.10.6.129_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 528

from this all I can see is that Setihome-Enhanced is still not working properly. Pity
GoodBye Seti It was good when your programs ran well.

1031) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate errors: Are we getting paid? (Message 674202)
Posted 8 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've finally gotten around to making a script that mostly works at repairing the Validate errors. It's very expensive in terms of searching the database, so it'll only be run once a day or so.

There seem to be some fraction of validate errors that the script doesn't fix. So there's still some work to do on it.

Eric

1032) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric hexadecennial post #11: Dick Cheney is following me... (Message 674197)
Posted 8 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

From the writing style of your "outdoor adventure", I recommend you try reading some Patrick McManus books.


Next time Angela wants to upload raccoon pictures, I'll include a picture of that section of my bookshelf. I've been a big fan of his since reading his article/story "The Patrick Priciples" in Field&Stream circa 1979 or so. I don't think that story has ever made it into one of his collections.
1033) Message boards : Number crunching : Recomended minimum donation (Message 673776)
Posted 7 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Getting junk postal mail from an organization I've donated money to **REALLY** turns me OFF. It reduces our donation even more!!

Is there an electronic way for folks to "opt out" of UC's junk mail list?


Hmmmm. Campus isn't supposed to be doing that to our donors. If you get junk mail it should be from us! ;)

I'll contact the development office and see what can be done.

Eric
1034) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric hexadecennial post #11: Dick Cheney is following me... (Message 673309)
Posted 7 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
As some of you know, I took a bit of a vacation a couple weeks ago. I didn't advertise it in advance, because I didn't want to let the world know that my house would be empty, especially since Angela didn't come along with. That, and because some of you probably won't approve of my activities. Angela doesn't. Is it a bad sign that Dick Cheney is spending this week doing what I did a couple weeks ago?

Anyhow, I went pheasant hunting with my father outside of Miller, South Dakota. It was a fun time, but a bit exhausting and somewhat painful.

For those of you who have never been pheasant hunting, I can tell you how to simulate the experience. First, get up in the morning and drive out to some farm land. When you get there, pick a nice spot, stop the car, get out and get into the ditch. Now start walking. Every 5 minutes or so, have someone punch you in the shoulder.

Now cuss and make up excuses for why you missed such an easy shot. Suitable excuses include "I was up to my knee in a prairie dog hole," "I didn't adjust for the wind," "It looked like a hen to me," "This borrowed 12 gauge doesn't really fit" and "Damn this steel shot! If I were shooting lead, I'd have had that one easily."

Repeat until sunset.

Anyhow, after nearly two boxes of 12 gauge shells over the course of four days my shoulder was pretty sore. Repeated injury sure makes a bruise spread and persist. Angela says it's karma. Revenge of the pheasants.

Well, it's been a decade since I did any wing shooting, so I didn't do much damage to the pheasant population. I've told Angela that I need to buy a 12 gauge that is the same model as my 20 gauge. That way I can leave the 12 gauge in Wisconsin and bring the 20 gauge out here to get some practice shooting skeet. After seeing my arm, Angela says I should buy a boat and go fishing instead. Looks like I win either way. ;)

So it's back to work for me. I've got two proposals to NSF due on Nov 15. One for SETI, one for modeling the 3D structure of interstellar gas in the Galaxy. Wish me luck.
1035) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's quadrennial post #9: Arecibo funding crisis. (Message 673289)
Posted 7 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've been looking for a PS3/Core porter for some time. We talked to Sony about doing it, but their lawyers had problems with the licensing terms. By they time those were resolved, the personnel at Sony who were planning to do the port had moved on to other projects.

If anyone knows a PS3 guru, let me know.

Eric
1036) Message boards : Number crunching : The Validation Shuffle..... (Message 671806)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Has the validation error problem been quietly resolved during the day today?


I wish I could say it was resolved, but I can't promise it will stay fixed. Nothing is ever as simple as it seems. But we're trying.....
1037) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : The spouse speaks: Raccoons may be smarter than my husband. (Message 662685)
Posted 19 Oct 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Might I suggest a nice thick steak and/or lobster and a couple bottles of decent Cabernet? I doubt the raccoons would be able to open the bottles... Score 1 for the human.
1038) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : The spouse speaks: Raccoons may be smarter than my husband. (Message 660635)
Posted 16 Oct 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

The crazy raccoon lady wanted me to post an update. The jello cup is still there, untouched.

1039) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Arecibo funding article in todays Washington Post (Message 660625)
Posted 16 Oct 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Q. Has Berkeley - regarding the Publicity / News Releases -

had any agreed upon Ideas for Release of Said Info's Yet?




We talked with a university publicist to prepare a press release a couple weeks ago. He's been busy with the Allen Telescope Array shindig since then. He should be back to work on our stuff now. I suppose I should give him a call today.

Eric
1040) Message boards : Cafe SETI : This rates! (Message 657886)
Posted 11 Oct 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Since a non-zero total credit check was easier, I did that, instead

Eric
1041) Message boards : Cafe SETI : This rates! (Message 657363)
Posted 10 Oct 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I think capcha might be the way to go. I worry that requiring non-zero total credit might prevent new users from making a profile.

1042) Message boards : Number crunching : The lost code from Eric and new credit multiplier (Message 656320)
Posted 8 Oct 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The multiplier code is in version 5.28 for MacOS and Linux x86_64 which should be released to the main project this week.

Because of the release of BOINC version 6.x, I need to redo some of the graphics code and make an new release for all platforms. That release will contain the muliplier code for all platforms.

Eric
1043) Questions and Answers : Web site : Removing name details (Message 652896)
Posted 2 Oct 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hello, I'm trying to get my name removed from an old SETI website class listing for privacy reasons however can't find an email address for the webmaster... who can remove details for me. Thanks.

Page is: http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/classpages/days/2451996.html


Done
1044) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Octennial Post #10: Ewoks live under my deck. (Message 652620)
Posted 2 Oct 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Though Dr. Korpela’s stressor may well have been some sort of catastrophic climate change, it would have had to have happened hundreds of thousands or even millions of years ago.


I agree. It's probably a long period of hard times (or multiple events) rather than a single event that booted us into brilliance.

1045) Message boards : Technical News : Weekend server problems (Oct 1, 2007) (Message 652617)
Posted 2 Oct 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
What a weekend. Three server crashes in two days, followed by most of today getting things back up and running.

First bruno went down, hard. We needed to come up to the lab and power it down in order to get it back up. A lot of the server processes didn't come back up and needed help. But bruno is up now, and will hopefully stay that way.

Then lando and isaac went down. It looks like the UPS they were hooked up to failed without warning. They have single power supplies so when the UPS failed, they both went down. Until we get a replacement, they are hooked directly into an outlet.

On top of that, automount on bruno is not mounting local devices into their proper places in the NFS tree that gets shared among our systems. That prevented the file deleter and file uploads from working and resulted in the work unit store getting overfilled. Thank the FSM for the "-o bind" option to mount.
1046) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Octennial Post #10: Ewoks live under my deck. (Message 650534)
Posted 28 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I know I promised to have text for a letter to your congress critters, but politics have gotten in the way. I've been asked to hold off a little while to discuss the outcome of the meeting of two weeks ago to make sure we hit all the fine points. So anyway I'm not going to mention politics today.

Instead let's talk about an annual occurrence at my house and its relevance to intelligent life in the universe. In May or June these things crawl out from under the deck.



This year it's a female and four babies. For those unfamiliar with North American fauna, these are raccoons (Procyon Lyotor). Thanks to Hermann Göring, they are also quite common to parts of central Europe where they are referred to as Waschbären (which translates as "wash bears" due to their habit of sometimes wetting their food before eating it). I also call them "ring-tailed rats." I think George Lucas probably calls them "Ewoks." (EDIT: Art just wrote to remind me that there is a local animal called a "ringtail" or "ringtail cat" which is a close relative of the raccoon. They are much more stealthy and less likely to congregate in a back yard. Or even be seen.)



In June, the babies are a bit bigger than my hand when they come out from under the deck for the first time. By this time of year they are on their own. Their mama either departed or became road pizza a couple weeks ago. These pictures were taken in early July.

It's understandable why raccoons like our deck. We've got a wild plum tree that drops plums in June and July, we've got a grape vine that starts being edible (for raccoons) in August. We feed and water a couple of outdoor (feral) cats, so there's cat food. And Angela feeds birds, so when all else fails, there are seeds to eat. So late in spring the biggest, baddest female around sets up shop under the deck. We don't mind too much because she usually kicks out one or two of these:



What does this have to do with intelligent life in the universe? Well, these things are too damn smart. They have hands with thumbs that aren't quite opposable, but in a few million years, who knows? They make an excellent laboratory for studying basic intelligence. You should see one open a pickle jar.

Well, I shouldn't say they are too smart. With intelligence (at least here on Earth) most animals seem to be exactly as smart as they need to be and no smarter. Let's call that "Eric's Law." I guess that's not surprising with the way evolution works. If you aren't as smart as you need to be, you're going to die. If you are too smart, well the energy that you body put into a bigger brain could have been put to better use impressing a member of the opposite sex. For most animals there isn't any evolutionary pressure to be smarter.

For an herbivore like a zebra, the evolutionary pressure is to be smart enough to know when to run away. For an obligate carnivore, like a lion, the evolutionary pressure is to be a little bit smarter than the zebra. That will get you close enough that you don't need to be a whole lot faster.

The omnivores and scavengers are the ones that have won the intelligence lotto. They have to calculate how close they can get to that lioness's kill before she'll attack. They have to remember where they found food yesterday or even about the fallen plums they ate last year. They have to remember to tilt their heads backwards when they eat grapes so the juice doesn't run out of their mouths.

It took a long time for creatures to get that smart. Sixty million years ago there was nothing around that was as smart as a raccoon. Six hundred million years ago there was nothing smarter than a jellyfish. And for the few billion years before that, a bacterium was the pinnacle of brain power. Big brains are a recent invention which leads me to believe that they aren't as useful as they seem. For the antelope and the cheetah, getting faster was a better bet than getting smarter.

This, and "Eric's Law" lead me to believe that raccoons won't be getting too much smarter unless there are some drastic changes in the world. Raccoons are too sucessful and too adaptable. They can eat insects, mollusks, crustaceans, reptiles, rodents, amphibians, fruits, nuts and any carrion they come across. The world isn't going to run out of those things any time soon. They occupy much of North America and their close relatives the Crab-Eating Raccoons own Central and South America. They are in the process of overrunning Europe, and will probably extend into Asia and the Middle East within a century or two. Why get smarter when things are good?

So what happened to us to make us smarter? Things didn't go so well for us. We almost lost the evolutionary lotto several times. As a branch on the tree of life the great apes (Hominidae, including humans) have been a dismal failure for most of their existence. Most every great ape species has died out, to the point where there are only seven species left. Compare that to, say, finches (20 genera, with many species per genus). Our closest relatives, chimps, gorillas, and orangutans are distributed in tiny ranges in Africa and Indonesia. They have little or no ability to adapt to changing conditions, which is why their ranges are small.

What makes us different from them? The only explanation I can come up with is that we were backed into an evolutionary corner, from which brains were the only escape. I don't think anyone has figured out what that challenge was yet, but I think its fair to say that we got smart because we were totally incapable of surviving any other way. Like all the great apes, we have been totally disarmed by evolution. We don't have claws or sharp teeth. We don't have thick skin, horns, or armor plate. We can't run fast or climb trees. It's only there where brains become an advantage.

What does this say about ET? Well, I think ET will be similar to us in that their species will have been backed into a similar corner where brains were the only escape. They'll probably be omnivores, because there's no good reason for an herbivore to be smart, and a carnivore only needs to be a little bit smarter than a herbivore. Maybe they'll be like a raccoon that's fallen on hard times and found that brains are the only way through.
1047) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Moderator changes... (Message 645298)
Posted 21 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We've had a couple moderator changes today. Henri Heinonen has gotten to busy with school to continue being a moderator and has resigned his post.

In addition, in preparation for our next donation drive, Peter Boulay (aka Blurf) has signed on to help out with coordinating hardware donations. As part of that he's joining our moderator team.

Eric
1048) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Arecibo funding article in todays Washington Post (Message 644519)
Posted 19 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Will Eric still do SETI?


The Collaborative Research grant covers 2 months per year of my salary for 3 years (assuming renewal following the first year). The rest of it pays for a graduate student (in year 1) and a post doc (in year 2 and 3).

That'll leave plenty of time for SETI (and grant writing).

Eric

1049) Message boards : Technical News : Balance (Sep 18 2007) (Message 644484)
Posted 19 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've actually been mostly working on science code to do some quick looks at the current multibeam data. Gotta make sure it ain't garbage, you know?


Is that why the splitters are off, so you can analyze the MB data before giving more out?


Looks like we've got a new problem with the status page code. The splitters are running full bore (and slowing other things I'm doing on lando to a crawl.)

Eric
1050) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's quadrennial post #9: Arecibo funding crisis. (Message 643075)
Posted 17 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I will post an "open" version (i.e. with some personal or private details redacted) of the letter in the next couple of days for others to use as a starting point. Thanks for the idea.

Eric



eh Eric - Is there a 'Portion' of your Letter or a Draft that You may have for

others that they can use - as a basis for theirs? Might make it easier and/or

more appropriate to send something that more or less is placed in Context with

the situation - rather than something that may not be appropriately written -

don't you think?


Thank You for Your Time and Consideration

snip
I'll talk to the people who attended the meeting next week. I've written my Senators and Congressmen already and used some back channels to make the chair of the House Appropriations Committee aware of the situation. It would probably help if you wrote yours as well.

1051) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's quadrennial post #9: Arecibo funding crisis. (Message 641279)
Posted 14 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
As some people noted in other parts of the forums, there was an article in the Washington Post this weekend about the crisis in NSF funding for the Arecibo Observatory (and, perhaps, radio astronomy in general.) I just want to let everyone know that we are aware of the situation and are planning to fight for Arecibo's future.

Dan and some others that I work with were in Washington this week attending a meeting to discuss the scientific future of Arecibo. The observatory does have unique capabilities, primarily because of its size. The Allen Telescope Array (ATA) currently has 42 dishes (not all have yet been operational), but the combined collecting area of those dishes is about 1.5% of the area of the Arecibo telescope. If ATA is able to get funding for an additional 40 dishes that will be 3% of the Arecibo collecting area. Even at the initially proposed 300 dishes (which won't happen any time soon) it is a small fraction of the collecting area of Arecibo. ATA's power comes from being able to focus in on smaller areas of the sky, which makes it an excellent instrument for looking for signals from specific stars, but inappropriate for surveys of large sky areas like SETI@home. Only when the Square Kilometer Array is fully operational (scheduled for 2020, but who knows) will Arecibo's capability be surpassed.

What led us to this funding problem? Primarily a combination of flat budgets for astronomy research and expensive new instruments. The National Science Foundation budget for Astronomy is about $200 million dollars per year, and prior to this year, the budget for Arecibo was about $10 million. Neither of those numbers are chump change, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. If the NSF doesn't get a budget increase for Astronomy and doesn't close some facilities, there will be a $30 million dollar shortfall, so Arecibo isn't the only facility in trouble.

What does make Arecibo different is that most of those other facilities are in states, whereas Arecibo is in a U.S. protectorate. Puerto Rico doesn't have Senators to help protect budget appropriations. It does have Representatives, but the last time I checked, their representatives are not voting members of the Congress.

On the other hand, there is the National Radio Astronomy Observatories (NRAO) which has facilities in West Virginia (home of Senator Byrd) and New Mexico (home of Senator Domenici). Arecibo is NOT part of NRAO. A couple years ago the director of NRAO called his senators and said NRAO needed $2 million more than NSF was going to give it. So Byrd and Domenici earmarked $4 million (yes $4 million) in additional funds for NRAO. Of course that money had to come from somewhere else in the NSF astronomy budget. That was when Arecibo's budget was reduced by $2 million. I don't know where the other $2 million came from.

The directory of the Planetary Society said, in the Post article, that an earmark might be a good option for keeping Arecibo open. I'm not so sure, given that any money earmarked for Arecibo will come from some other Astronomy program. A better option is a 15% (constant dollars) increase in the NSF Astronomy budget over the next 5 years.

I'll talk to the people who attended the meeting next week. I've written my Senators and Congressmen already and used some back channels to make the chair of the House Appropriations Committee aware of the situation. It would probably help if you wrote yours as well. We may organize a full letter writing campaign in the near future to help get our point across to Congress, but there's no need to wait for that. Letters work better than emails, and personal visits work best of all, if you happen to be traveling to Washington DC.

For those of you outside of the U.S., should all of our efforts fail, there may be a place for international cooperation in funding Arecibo. If the U.S. government doesn't want it, maybe the E.U. does. We'll let you know how it goes.
1052) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric biennial post #8: Back from vacation... (Message 638515)
Posted 11 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Steve,

Can't make this one, unfortunately. :( The budget is pretty much busted until the new year not to mention that I'm not feeling I can leave town any time soon. At least not until the immediate work is done. (There's a bunch of torch carrying villagers outside the door. MacOS/PowerPC users from the looks of them. A few x86_64 Linux folks mixed in, I guess.) I do appreciate the offer. though!

There's gotta be some setizen out there who wants the NASCAR experience...

Thanks again.

Eric
1053) Message boards : Cafe SETI : on topIc {microsoft TIme updatE} off topIc (Message 635018)
Posted 7 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I looked more carefully and again came to the conclusion that it doesn't affect BOINC and SETI@home other that possibly changing time displays for users in the following time zones...

Caucasus Standard Time
Armenian Standard Time
New Zealand Standard Time
GTB Standard Time
Jordan Standard Time

Even in these areas it shouldn't affect calculation of deadlines or anticipated workunit completion time.

If you live in one of these time zones you may want to get the update for other reasons.

Eric
1054) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric biennial post #8: Back from vacation... (Message 634778)
Posted 6 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Is 'Thunder Valley' awesome or what.


It is at that. Loud and fast. Never been to a short track before. Unless you want to count dirt tracks like the one here (barely visible). Of course that's not NASCAR. Just local stock car racing.


Most folks don't realise that there are a lot of us 'Geeks'
who are also into NASCAR.


NASCAR, and essentially all professional auto racing, is all about the team. We rented one of the FanView boxes with a couple head sets so my nephew and I could listen in and see the car camera views. His favorite driver is Jeff Gordon, so we spent most of the time listening to him. Sounded to me like he could have finished in much better position if he had been satisfied with the car that was moving him steadily ahead of the pack. He complained about the handling and the pit adjustments made to solve that ended up slowing him down. Well, that's part of the team work, with the pit crew needing to turn statements like "f%$^&*g goes to s%#t on the straights" into adjustments of the weight distribution over the tires.

Of course then there is both cooperation and competition between cars on the same team which livens things up quite a bit.

Which isn't to say I don't enjoy indy car or formula one racing. In those sports the emphasis is more on the design of the car and the technology it contains, so things are quite different.


Glad you had a good time. Maybe one day you can stay with the wife and I for
one of the NHIS Races. I have 6 tix available of the eight I own. Two are YOURS for the asking - Gratis. Just call.


I may have to take you up on that. Thanks!

Eric
1055) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric biennial post #8: Back from vacation... (Message 633677)
Posted 5 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
and boy is there a pile of work on my desk. I need to get some stuff together for a press release on multi-beam SETI@home and AstroPulse. I've got about 6K emails that have made it through my spam filter, I need to digest some reviewer reports on some proposals, I need to figure out why some people haven't gotten receipts for their donations, I need to do some editing on Kevin's SETHI paper, and start planning for frequency switching in future versions of the SETI@home application. On top of it all, Kevin is gone, as you are aware.

Vacation was enjoyable. Spent a bit more than a week here followed by a week here in order to attend an event here with 165,000 friends.

Anyway, I'm back at my desk, and since Kevin is gone and undoubtedly busy with his teaching schedule, it's up to me to post more often in this forum. Therefore, I'll make shorter posts... Like this one. ;)

1056) Message boards : Cafe SETI : on topIc {microsoft TIme updatE} off topIc (Message 633637)
Posted 4 Sep 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Wonderin' whether (or NOT) this Matter (e) or (a)ffects the Servers / Database @ Berkeley ? (somebody in the 'know' ?)


I don't think this should affect anyone in any severe manner. I believe that BOINC uses UTC for all its internal calculations. However time display in the client may be incorrect by up to an hour for deadlines in some time zones. Most people should not be affected by this, since you'll rarely get within an hour of a deadline.

On the server side, there should be no effect due to this change.

Eric
1057) Questions and Answers : Windows : PC Crashing (Message 629788)
Posted 30 Aug 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Jeff,

Could you please unhide your computers so we can see the details of your machine(s)?

Thanks,

Eric
1058) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit discussion II (Message 617639)
Posted 10 Aug 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Yikes! So the goal is to devalue efficiency??


I wouldn't call it a goal. To use a currently popular term its "the reality on the ground."

Thanks to the efforts of the people mentioned previously and some others (I know I forgot to mention Tetsuji, and I'm sure I missed someone else) SETI@home is a factor of three faster than it used to be. So by rights we should be granting 3 times the credit per second that we used to. But then people would get 3 times as much credit for each second of SETI@home than they do for each second of climateprediction.net. That would probably cause cpdn to raise the amount of credit they give and we end up with runaway credit inflation.

One problem is that most, if not all, of the other projects don't have a measure of how efficient or inefficient they are. SETI@home does. In SETI@home 5.27, every time you compute a floating point operation, we give you credit for 2.85. That's because our average efficiency is about 35% (i.e. we do work at about 35% of the benchmark rates). You might think that is low, but I would bet large sums that SETI@home is the most highly optimized boinc project out there that has a general (works on any CPU of a given architecture) client.

If we get more optimized, we need to reduce the amount of credit we give in order to maintain parity with other projects. It sucks, but its the way things are. If things were really fair, every project would calculate actual work and grant credit based upon that. In which case we would be granting 35% of the credit we grant now. Most other projects would probably be granting less than 10% of the benchmark values. But, while fair is something to strive for, it's not something you can always have.
1059) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit discussion II (Message 617391)
Posted 10 Aug 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Yes, 5.23 is faster than 5.18. But 5.23 is anywhere from roughly 10% to 50% SLOWER than Alex Kan's brilliant optimizations for the Mac.

IF the developers had been incorporating previous optimizations, as I've read in other postings, then why didn't they copy-and-paste Alex's optimizations into 5.23??? It's pretty clear to me that they did not.



Yeah, MacOS 5.23 doesn't have Alex's AltiVec folding for some fairly complicated reasons. It does have his and Ben Herndon's SSE code on the Intel side. And it does have altivec code for FFT, chirping, and various other stuff.

I'm hoping that 5.27 will have the full AltiVec set. The problem was in getting everything into a unified code base. This is my understanding of the situation. Hopefully I'm not slighting anyone who has contibuted optimizations. It's been a hell of a lot of work by all involved.

Back when these optimizations were developed, the intel/chicken/benher/segur code diverged from the akan/altivec code and both diverged from the official setiathome app. A herculean effort by Joe Segur merged the intel side with the SETI@home code base. Alex Kan, in the meantime, left Berkeley and got a real job. So his folding code hasn't been massaged into the new framework yet. He's working on it, but the problem with real jobs is that they take away time from important stuff like compiling SETI@home.

When Charlie Fenton gets back into town from his vacation, he'll probably be looking for some code to compile. Hopefully Alex will have time in the near future to work on it. But he's a volunteer, so let's not push him too much.

Eric
1060) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's annual post #7: SETI's little helpers, Sick Cat's and more proposals (Message 617323)
Posted 10 Aug 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Is that an XT computer next to Dolly ?


Good eye. It's not a genuine IBM XT, but an XT compatible (10MHz V20 processor+8087 Coproc, 640K ram, 4MB LIM EMS 4.0, 30MB HDD). Have I mentioned that I intend to port SETI@home to it in my spare time? I'll need to put in a bigger hard disk in order to hold the working set.

I enjoy a challenge.
1061) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Congratulations Eric - ' . . . the algorithm' (Message 612742)
Posted 1 Aug 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Now that S@H 5.24 is out to beta, I'll post in the blog forum about the radar blanking in other things. Tonight or tomorrow.


Congratulations Eric - ' . . . the algorithm' . . .

Would You Explain 'the algorithm' a biT more clearly Sir ???



. . . as in 'EXpand' the Definition . . . Sir?


1062) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : SETI@home 5.23 for MacOS is on the way. (Message 611693)
Posted 30 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

You can stop twiddling now. The 5.23 has been released.

1063) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : SETI@home 5.23 for MacOS is on the way. (Message 610254)
Posted 28 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's currently being tested in beta, but I can't release it to the main project yet.

Both Matt and Jeff are out of town. They have the keys to the code signing machine, and we can't release until the code is signed.

The new version will be released on Monday. It should solve most of the problems that are being reported with 5.22.
1064) Message boards : Number crunching : DDR3 RAM (Message 608929)
Posted 26 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Well, I ll be at IDF with my code. My network got some trouble at home, I had to added a hardware firewall, due to net attack (regular router was too weak), i got starved of workload last week end because if this.
it is all back online, my RAC will climb more from now on.

This is where to get Bins :)


Francois


Hi Francois,

Got a few red-x pushes calling this an advertisement. Just wanted to let everyone know that I don't consider this an ad just because it links to a commercial site. It would be an ad if it were more directly touting a product. However, given that it's a link to your own employer it's a borderline case.

I'd also like to point out to anyone who intends to distribute a SETI@home application that you are bound by the GPL and must provide source, the README, COPYING, and COPYRIGHT files and whatever project files/makefiles/compiler flags that you used to build the binary. Either that or you can set up a web site where the source will be available to anyone for the next three years. It's usually easier just to provide the source with the binary. (The COPYING/README/COPYRIGHT files need to travel with the binary, however.)

In theory alternate distribution terms are available from the university's IP department. However, thus far, no individual or company has successfully negotiated such terms even if we (the SETI@home team) have given our approval. That's probably because we would need compensation for the time it would take us to strip out GPL licensed code to which we don't hold copyright (i.e. FFTW, ASMLIB)

Eric
1065) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with MacPPC SETI@Home Enhanced version 5.21 (Message 606447)
Posted 20 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
There was a problem with the file permissions on the 5.21 that went into the main project. Resetting the project will get you version 5.22, which shouldn't have that problem.

Eric
1066) Message boards : Politics : Moderation policy. (Message 605180)
Posted 17 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Wasn't this tried with the + and - buttons? That didn't seem to work too well as some people seemed to form groups and minus a particular persons posts into oblivion. Or am I missing something?


The idea would be that people get a limited number of "moderation points" to use on posts. There would then be a "meta-moderation" page where people would see a few moderated posts (that they had neither written or moderated) that they could grade as either a good moderation decision or a bad moderation decision. The number of moderation points people get would depend upon how their moderation decisions were graded.

If someone moderated badly, people visiting the "meta-moderation" page would say they disagreed with the moderation. The bad moderator would get fewer moderation points in the future. People who get graded well would get more moderation points. We could even extend it to having posting points such that people who consistently get moderated down would be allowed fewer posts per day.
1067) Message boards : Politics : Moderation policy. (Message 605130)
Posted 17 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hello from San Juan,

Sitting in a talk about the importance of phosphorous to early organic processes.

Haven't had time to catch up with the whole thread and my battery is down to 10%, so I'll type quick.

Yes, part of the purpose of this forum is to keep the political discussion alive with hopefully less animosity than showed up in the Cafe.

The politics forum would be an appropriate place for a thread about religion thread. I'm not sure there is enough religious traffic for a separate religious forum.

Discussion of moderation policy is appropriate for this forum. Sometimes it's hard for that not to devolve into discussion of specific moderator actions. The line is hard to draw. I'm hoping to continue to expand the moderator base under the theory that lots of mods moderate the moderation.

We're still investigating the idea of either some sort of "slashcode" method where the moderators decisions are meta-moderated and in essence everyone becomes a moderator and a meta-moderator. Another option would be rotating "moderators at large" whereby moderators are given privileges for a limited period of time. The former would probably be easier to implement, but either way, there would be more input from everyone into the moderation policy.

Any PHP hackers out there?

--
Eric
1068) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home for PS3 Linux (alpha testing) (Message 604608)
Posted 16 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The best that can probably be done so far on SETI@home for PPC is to ensure that you are using a Cell based version of FFTW. You should also make sure that the Altivec code is active, since Cell has an Altivec unit.

As far I know, no translation of the SETI@home algorithms to Cell has been done.
If someone wants to undertake this, please do. Remember that if you distribute a SETI@home application binary, you need to make the source code available.

Eric
1069) Message boards : Number crunching : Aborted by project? (Message 603633)
Posted 14 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
My hope is that we will be able to reduce the initial replication to 2 once we have the multibeam splitter and apps on line. That will get rid of these messages.

Eric
1070) Message boards : Number crunching : Mac G3 (Message 602573)
Posted 12 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Ok im running the program on my G3, it apparently is still running, there is a solid cursor under the line i executed the command, but there is a result.sah file in the folder. the stderr.txt says :
Can't open init data file - running in standalone mode
Can't open init data file - running in standalone mode


As suggested this is as it should be. After a while (no more than half an hour) stderr.txt should contain some output about SETI@home's attempt to find the optimal routines to use for the analysis. If that displays successfully, the crash bug from 5.18 has been fixed.

I'd still appreciate if you run to completion, since there could be other bugs we aren't aware of.

Eric

1071) Message boards : Number crunching : Mac G3 (Message 602138)
Posted 12 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've got a new app (5.21) and have tested it on a G4 and an emulated G3 on OS X 10.3.0, but I don't have a real G3 to test it on.

It's at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/~korpela/G3_test.dmg.bz2.
(md5=084addfaad70216d5600e62944a052f0, decompressed md5=721e7a2863c2db523c6ac56cdb35b2f4)

If you've got a G3, I'd appreciate it if you would try it out.


  • Save it to your desktop
  • Double click on it to link and mount it
  • Open a terminal window and execute the following
    cd /Volumes/G3_test
    ./setiathome-5.21.powerpc-apple-darwin -verbose -nographics
    



The program should run for many hours and exit without any error messages or pop up windows. You can look at the file stderr.txt to make sure of that.

If you want to see the graphics, you cat drop the -nographics tag.

Thanks,

Eric

1072) Message boards : Number crunching : Aborted by project? (Message 601856)
Posted 11 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've changed the text displayed for these results on the web site to make it clear that it shouldn't be considered an error.

Let me know what you think.

Eric
1073) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Things a bright person can do. (Message 601833)
Posted 11 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
To quote Mighty Mouse: "If you want to look smart, hang around with dumb people."
1074) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Auto-locking threads after 60 days "no activity" (Message 601554)
Posted 11 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The total space used by the forums is small, so deletion is currently not necessary.

I raised the of auto-hide after a year with some people, but most thought it would be a bad idea, so I decided against it for the time being.

I can understand the reason some people want to keep their old postss accessible. I have gone to google groups to find 10 year old posts of my own on occasion, when they answer a question I had recently been asked.

And no. I'm not proud of every posting of mine that is available there...

Eric
1075) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Rocky's Cafe/Closed 7-26-07 (Message 600982)
Posted 9 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Is the new Arecibo telescope up and running, yet?


Still being painted, but Dan and I will be there next week working on the radar blanking setup.

Eric
1076) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Rocky's Cafe/Closed 7-26-07 (Message 600931)
Posted 9 Jul 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Hey! It's the Jim Beam and Coke guy!


In honor of our Puerto Rican telescope, shouldn't we be drinking Bacardi and Coke?

Or better yet Ron del Barrilito neat?
1077) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Who's got the lowest S@H ID and still active? (Message 593332)
Posted 27 Jun 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I don't suppose I count? But we should be going by S@H classic ID, right?

My classic ID was 2.

I liked your 1901 start date better.

Too bad it had to change. It was breaking some of the BOINC stats sites. I liked my SETI@home classic start date (November 24, 4714 B.C.)

Is that the earliest date the system will accept, 4/3/99?


I think I was given a date equal to the next earliest valid entry.

Eric
1078) Questions and Answers : Web site : are HTML tags are Broken in team Description ? (Message 593331)
Posted 27 Jun 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks, I'll look into it.

I sent an email to the person I believe to be the appropriate developer a couple of days ago. I have just sent Eric a message.

1079) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Who's got the lowest S@H ID and still active? (Message 593318)
Posted 27 Jun 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I don't suppose I count? But we should be going by S@H classic ID, right?

My classic ID was 2.

I liked your 1901 start date better.


Too bad it had to change. It was breaking some of the BOINC stats sites. I liked my SETI@home classic start date (November 24, 4714 B.C.)

1080) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Who's got the lowest S@H ID and still active? (Message 593089)
Posted 26 Jun 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I don't suppose I count? But we should be going by S@H classic ID, right?

My classic ID was 2.

1081) Questions and Answers : Web site : Please remove profile from userpages (Message 591601)
Posted 24 Jun 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The pages are regenerating now. Don't know quite how long it will take.

Eric
1082) Message boards : Number crunching : The powerful P60 has been retired, again, until next time (Message 585959)
Posted 12 Jun 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Some hints for slow and/or small memory machines:

Make sure that m_nbytes shows the correct memory size in your slots/*/init_data.xml file and you client_state.xml files. If it's wrong, boinc is reporting the wrong memory size and the app will use more than is necessary. setiathome should run without paging in 24MB easily. 16MB or less on a linux machine. You can manually specify the -nographics flag to make sure it doesn't try to display graphics. Or use a non-BOINC screen saver.

IIRC, current deadlines are set for a 50 MFLOP/s machine, so a 32 MFLOP/s machine is on the slow side. (At one point I had set deadlines for 10 MFLOP/s, but that used too much database space for active work units.)

For kicks, I would be willing to adjust the deadline of an occasional work unit.

1083) Message boards : Technical News : Orphans and Phantoms.... (Message 584168)
Posted 9 Jun 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I've (this morning) changed some server settings which should help to get rid of orphans and phantom results.

Please let me know if you are still seeing these.

Eric
1084) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's annual post #7: SETI's little helpers, Sick Cat's and more proposals (Message 581890)
Posted 5 Jun 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I have made note in NC and the Cafe a number of times over the last year or two about how many cat people were in the Seti family. Just seems like kitties and Seti go together.


I have a thought. Maybe dogs act like people and cats act like our alien overlords.

White cat is totally pigging out today.

Eric
1085) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's annual post #7: SETI's little helpers, Sick Cat's and more proposals (Message 581462)
Posted 4 Jun 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Again, it's been too long. Last week was another proposal deadline... NASA Astrophysics Theory and Fundamental Physics. You may ask "What does that have to do with SETI?" and I'd have to answer "Nothing." It's part of the other half of my job, in this case it was about building 3D models of the distribution of interstellar matter in the Galaxy. Will I get funded? Who knows. The rule of thumb in astronomy is that you'll need to write a proposal four times before it gets funded, and this is only the second time I've written this one. Still haven't heard back on the first one.

I hear that while I've been busy there has been some friction between some of the volunteers that help us out with getting donations and some people who are tiring of the donation drives or would like to avoid the middle man or are unsure of who they can trust.

Regarding the first point, I'm tiring of the funding drives myself and I wish that we had other funding so that we could stop asking you for help, but it probably won't happen soon. The NSF declined to fund the SETI proposal we submitted in November. I can't say that I'm surprised. The NSF program that includes SETI is "Galactic Astronomy," i.e. studying the Galaxy. SETI just doesn't seem to fit in that category. Our previous NSF funding was for building instruments that could be used SETI and for other types of radio astronomy. That was funded through the "Advanced Technologies for Instrumentation" program. So the way NSF is structured, we can get funded to build an instrument, but not funded to use it. NASA's programs are structured in a similar way, and in general they will only support ground based observations that directly support a space mission. So we're left with the personal and corporate donations that have kept us going successfully for the past couple years. We haven't decided when the next will start, but eventually it will.

Regarding the middle men (the most obvious of which are Al (aka Pappa) and Simon (aka Chicken of Angnor), I've been asked why I don't give them official titles which might give more legitimacy to their middleman status. I've resisted this for a couple of reasons. First off, both Al and Simon are volunteers who probably have better things to do with their time than help us raise money. They started assisting with the fundraising without asking. They offered to do what they are doing. Simon saw that it would be difficult for us to accept Paypal Donations directly and decided that he could ease the process by being a go-between. It's worked great thus far. Al, noticing that while I didn't follow the boards and could barely keep up with my email (right now I have 1994 unread messages in my inbox), decided that he could help point out the offers that needed my direct attention. I worry that if I gave them official titles they might feel obligated to do these duties. I think Al has a hard enough time going on a vacation as it is. Simon enjoys optimizing applications more than writing code to handle paypal donations, I'm sure. (That's another service he (and Ben Herndon and Joe Segur and Alex Kan and Crunch3r among others) provide without compensation and that everyone running SETI@home, and the project as a whole will benefit from.)

Another reason is that neither (unless it's in one of those 1998 unread emails) has asked me for a title. A third is there is a tendancy to think that if a title is given, the job is taken. It's not so much the case that we need more than one paypal gateway, but other people besides Al who have acted as go between. I won't name names, but you know who you are. And that's good, because Al can't possibly read every message posted in the forums. I've considered setting up a mailing list for people who want to assist in this manner. That way effort won't be duplicated. Would a little organization help in this case? Anyone want to be on the list? If so, email me the address you want to be contacted at: korpela at ssl dot berkeley dot edu. Appologies in advance for my wacky spam filter. And, of course, if we gave Al and Simon titles would we engender jealousy from people who have helped and not gotten titles?

As far as the trust issue goes, yes, I trust Al and Simon implicitly. Heck if Simon weren't trustworthy and you run the "chicken app" he could have done far worse to you than steal your donation. Of course that doesn't mean I trust everone who might represent themselves as acting in the projects best interest. Use normal caution and you'll be fine.

On a totally unrelated note, I'm working from home today keeping an eye on a sick cat. Is it my imagination or are there more Cat avatars than Dog avatars on the forums. Are SETI people naturally cat people? Anyway here are our two beasts:



The top one is Dolly (aka Dumb-dumb, aka Dumbolina, aka Gooperella, aka Whiner), the bottom one is "The Poor White Cat What Nobody Loves" (aka White Cat, aka Chubbs, aka Bed-sores). Dumb-dumb is usually the medically fragile one. We're quite acustomed to forcing pills down her throat and giving her subcutaneous fluids. This time it's White Cat's turn. She spent yesterday at the emergency vet, and this morning is the first time since friday night she's been able to hold down water or soft food. But she's probably on the mend. Today, I'm glad I've got a job where I can work from home. Just hit 2000 unread messages. I'd better wrap this up.

--
Eric
1086) Questions and Answers : Windows : Account Number Not Set, Please set your SETI@Home Account Number (Message 577547)
Posted 29 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I just got this message on one of my own machines. I'm looking at the server logs to see if I can figure out why it is occurring.

Just today this message appeared on the bottom right of my computer just above the clock. I checked my account and the account number is there. Why is this message there and how would I reset the account number? It doesn't show where to go to do it. Is it a fluke because of all the work their doing at SETI to improve the running of it? I'm at a loss trying to figure out whats going on. Any Ideas?

1087) Message boards : Number crunching : Closer to being out of the woods on this one... (Message 575548)
Posted 26 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

File transfers with SETI now running like a dream! :-)))))


Shortly after this message was sent, the MYSQL database (on sidious) decided that even the simplest query should require reading the entire database. Hence the major slow down last night and the outage today.

Is this what we get for naming machines after dark lords of the Sith?

1088) Message boards : Number crunching : Closer to being out of the woods on this one... (Message 575539)
Posted 26 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
OK....so should I change my router back to the MTU setting of 1500 which I would consider to be the correct setting?? Or to 1476?


I'd put it back at 1500.

Eric
1089) Message boards : Number crunching : Closer to being out of the woods on this one... (Message 575114)
Posted 25 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


This seems suspicious. Why is bruno using 1476 when the rest of the world uses 1500?


Traffic to our router is tunneled to a router in Palo Alto. The overhead of the tunnel is 24 bytes more than the normal TCP/IP over ethernet overhead. Fragmentation shouldn't be too much of an issue because nearly every modern TCP/IP stack uses MTU discovery to size outgoing packets properly.

What might have been an issue is that the interface on bruno was set to have an MTU of 1500. I've adjusted that to 1476, which did cause us to jump up to 50 Mbps for a few minutes, but we're back down in the 20s again.

Eric
1090) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 574686)
Posted 24 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Today however I'm getting http errors w/ and w/out Chicken App


It should be working now, although we are likely to be low on available work.

Eric
1091) Message boards : Technical News : Galileo Executed (May 22 2007) (Message 574066)
Posted 23 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

David Anderson emailed me yesterday that the problem would be solved today when they implemented the new BOINC server code in the SETI servers. I thought that this would take place during the planned outage. Evidently it did not. I am still receiving HTTP errors and generating ghost WU's and no work has been received. Does anyone have a new timetable about when SETI will start working again for anonymous platform users? SETI is the only project that has a client app for my operating system, OS/2 Warp.

Help, Keith



Hi Keith,

All is not well in server land. The current BOINC CGI code is non-functional. It segfaults in the scheduler CGI in some of the BOINC I/O routines. We'll let you know as soon as we have something that functions.

Eric
1092) Message boards : Technical News : Fiber channel woes, Chicken App, etc. (May 21 2007) (Message 574062)
Posted 23 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yes, and am also getting HTTP errors like before. Nothing has changed it seems.


Jeff is still trying to get the latest server code to work. The CGI still segfaults somewhere in the bowels of the BOINC server code. Once we get it working, we'll install it in beta. I'll keep you informed.

If you are using the Chicken app, your options are to use the "rename app_info.xml" trick in order to get new work, temporarily change to a stock app, or to join a second project.

If you are using anonymous platform by necessity, the only option is to join a second project that has an app that runs on your platform.

Sorry. :(

--
1093) Message boards : Technical News : Fiber channel woes, Chicken App, etc. (May 21 2007) (Message 573874)
Posted 22 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry for posting this here, but it will not let me start a new thread.

Twice today I have gotten this error:

5/22/2007 11:59:46 AM|SETI@home|[error] Error on file upload: [18mr05aa.13127.29649.928404.3.214_1_0] locked by file_upload_handler PID=1011104

And one work unit stays in the uploading state.

Any ideas? Or is this related to the other problems going on?

Thanks.

Mike.


Hi Mike, that probably means that there is a file upload handler process on this side that still has the file locked from a previous upload attempt. After our outage today the locks should be cleared.

Eric
1094) Message boards : Technical News : Fiber channel woes, Chicken App, etc. (May 21 2007) (Message 573574)
Posted 22 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Xaak can be rather blunt which is a good thing and bad thing, but his message is clear. The fix can be implemented by SETI staff, but hasn't, and there has been no indication from SETI staff that they even understand the problem or that they intend to fix it. As posted elsewhere the code has been updated, but it has not been implemented so why should he post on the the BOINC forum?


One of the largest problems with testing BOINC releases is a matter of scale some problems just don't show up in a project a few thousand become much more apparent in a project of a few hundred thousand. The other problem is that BOINC releases are not designed to be incremental. An upgrade that fixes one bug often includes new ones elsewhere in the code. They are also not designed to be reversible. Database changes don't often go away quietly. At any rate, a code rollback wasn't going to work because it would negate the round-robin DNS scheme for our feeders and schedulers and we'd be back where we were on Friday, with most connection attempts failing. David checked in the final fix for that problem tonight, but I'm not going to change the server without getting in a few hours of sleep. My alarm clock is set for 5.5 hours from now. When I finish this message, I'm going to bed.

And with Matt gone, SETI's operations staff is essentially me and Jeff. Jeff has a real job, which means he doesn't work 24 hours a day. Lynn would also kill him if he tried. I'm a scientist, so I'm expected to work until I drop. After I drop I work in a reclining position. But I've got a proposal due on campus on Thursday, so I can't spend all my working hours watching the server logs. (I do, and have had two windows open on the feeder logs which I have been glancing at. Right now each system is handling about 10 results a second.)

Regarding censorship here. Please remember that most of the moderators are not university employees and they are human. Complain to the moderators list (setimods at ssl.berkeley.edu) or to me (korpela at ssl.berkeley.edu, warning: very aggressive spam filter) with a link to the posts in question and an explanation of what was meant. Under normal circumstances, moderation decisions can be overturned, or agreement can be reached about permissible language. Often times the problem can be including too much of a post which was deleted for a reason or withdrawn by the original poster with a request that quotes also be deleted.

Good night. 5h15 before the alarm goes off.

--

Eric
1095) Message boards : Technical News : Fiber channel woes, Chicken App, etc. (May 21 2007) (Message 573180)
Posted 21 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Yesterday a fiberchannel interface on the nStore array that holds the upload directories failed. We were able to get it back up and running this morning. Since the nStore and bruno can both handle multiple FC interfaces, we'll look into the possibility of using a multipath configuration so that if one interface dies, the other will still be available.

I talked to Blurf this morning and learned that people using Simon's optimized "Chicken App" were having problems connecting with that app, but not with the normal app. The problem seems to have resolved somewhat, since some people using it are getting work now. I don't know what caused it. The server shouldn't react differently based upon platform. Some aspects of the outage seem very machine or configuration specific in ways I wouldn't have expected.

I have some machines that still haven't been able to get work, especially from the beta project. Some machines connected without problems once the project was up. On some machines restarting BOINC was enough to recover. On some machines, detaching and reattaching to the project was enough to recover. On at least one machine, reinstalling BOINC seemed to fix the problem. On a few remaining machines, I haven't been able to connect at all. On top of it all I can't give you any reason why the connections were failing in the first place or why doing any of the above would help.

Anyway, we're back up and pumping out 60 MB/s, which beats anything we achieved last week. Let's hope it lasts until we're out of the panic zone. The slow feeder database queries occasionally show up, but the advantage of having a redundant feeder/scheduler is that a single slow query only cuts our rate in half.

Other on my list of suggestions for the next server meeting (when Matt gets back) are: increasing scheduler, upload and download redundancy. Right now, we're close to having the machines necessary to handle 3 way redundancy. The next consideration is how to handle loss of a machine without causing problems for 33% of the connections. Anyone know if "balance" or something like it would be able to automatically work its way around a missing or slow machine in a better manner than round-robin DNS can?
1096) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 570612)
Posted 18 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Eric: Any chance this can be fixed on Berkeley's end? I have some remote mahcines that I can not get to.


I haven't come up with a way yet. But I'm still thinking....

Eric
1097) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 570468)
Posted 18 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

SETI@home 17/05/2007 18:18:18 Message from server: Incomplete request received.


I think I've tracked down this problem. There seems to be something related to the outage that has corrupted the file "sched_request_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml"
in your BOINC directories. Restarting BOINC or deleting the file and restarting BOINC should fix that problem.


SETI@home 17/05/2007 19:01:39 Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
SETI@home 17/05/2007 19:06:49 Scheduler request failed: server returned nothing (no headers, no data)


This usually means the scheduler request timed out because we are still overwhelmed.

Eric
1098) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 570285)
Posted 18 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Eric, just to add to what others have said, none of my ten workstations are able to upload/download, and are returning the same messages, "Schedular Request Failed: Server returned nothing (No headers, no data)" and then they return the " Message from Server: Incomplete request recieved" message.


Could you give me an IP address for this machine? I'd like to scan the logs to see what's going on on this side.

Eric
1099) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 570083)
Posted 18 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
It's still pretty hit and miss (as you can see). Hopefully it's getting toward more hit than miss at this point.

Ptolemy lost connectivity to the upload directories on bruno for a while. Just fixed that, so our upload rate should double.

This Graph is still your best bet of checking your chances of getting through. The higher the graph is, the better. But we should be hovering around 22 Mbps rather than 15.

We're still operating on a single scheduler due to compile problems. G'nite. I'll catch up on where we are in the morning.

Eric

1100) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 569633)
Posted 17 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

We've moved the scheduler to bruno (from galileo) and both bruno and ptolemy are handling uploads. Only penguin is on download duty, but that may change if downloads start becoming a problem.

We'll round-robin the scheduler once we can get round-robin capable feeders built. Matt wasn't able to do it before he left for vacation.

Validators and assimilators are offline while Jeff tracks down a strange segfault. The std::vector<>::size() method is reporting an incorrect value, even though the pointers to the start and end of data are correct. IBTHOOM.

Apache on bruno hung last night in a weird state. Lots of httpd processes running, but no connections getting through. We'll need to come up with a way to detect that state and fix it without human intervention.

Eric
1101) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 568883)
Posted 16 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric,

Would throwing add'l H/W (a dual core puppy - P4 PD 940 3.2 GHz 800FBS 1GB DDR2 667MHz - I've here in reserve) at it to help handle the comms load be of any use?


We're about to put "ptolemy" in the mix in the next few hours. I'll certainly let you know if we need more beyond that.

Eric
1102) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 568766)
Posted 16 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Any comment on PacketShaper?


The quick, but unsatisfying answer is "I dunno." It's certainly worth looking into, so I'll mention it to Matt and Jeff. They're the experts...
1103) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 568761)
Posted 16 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Addendumb: I had a 'd'Oh!' moment this morning. Apparently we were running with the upload timeout set at 20 minutes (which I think is the apache default), so our connections were being dominated by machines that couldn't get through, but were hanging onto the connection.

If you look at our network traffic, you can see what happened when I lowered that to 30 seconds..... We sending about 4 times as much work as we were when I got in this morning.

1104) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 568296)
Posted 16 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

On the up/download issue, good plan on dropping connections at the router vs. the host itself - hopefully that will have the desired effect and give NFS a kick in the pants. Thanks again for all your and your colleagues' hard work in resurrecting Thumper!


Unfortunately the router couldn't handle the load so we're back to dropping connections at bruno. I spent the last few hours getting a bruno clone, which I have tentatively named Ptolemy, up and running. (It's not quite a clone, dual 3.06 GHz hyperthreaded processors rather than dual 2.8GHz non-hyperthreaded. Where it came from is a story for another time.) I've got the OS installed and am at the point where Matt and or Jeff need to work some apache magic in order to have it be usable in a round robin DNS with bruno.

I'm going to go get some dinner, then I'll mail Matt and Jeff with a progress report. I think they'll be surprised how far I've gotten this evening.

Eric
1105) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : So where's the science..? (Message 568095)
Posted 15 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

could the seti group ask for any radio data from the group which found Gliese 581c and process it for 'lifesigns'?


It was optical data. Spectra of Gliese 581 were analyzed to look for Doppler shifts due to the gravitational effects of the planet.
1106) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP (Message 568090)
Posted 15 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

This one could probably go in the techincal news, but since I haven't blogged in a while, I decided to jot it down here.

Following the large outage, bruno's been having some problems keeping up. Lots of dropped connections. I guess most of you noticed that. It's not a lack of hardware this time, just an over-abundance of connection attempts.

Some of the dropped connections were local file-server connections, which causes some of the http processes to wait around which causes more dropped connections. Changing some of the TCP tuning parameters helped, but didn't solve the problem.

We did some brain storming before the outage and have come up with some tactics to combat these issues.

We're setting up our router to proxy the SYN/ACK handshakes. That way if we are flooded, the connections will be dropped before they get to bruno. That'll in turn prevent the NFS connections from getting dropped.

We're also getting rid of some configuration remnants from earlier BOINC server code. Currently bruno handles all of the incoming connections and forwards them to other machines when appropriate for uploads and downloads. We can designate other machines as upload or download handlers so that bruno won't have to touch those connections at all.

If that's not enough, we'll set up web servers on some of the other machines and get back to round robin DNS for the upload and download servers.

Well, that's enough typing for now. This weekend, one of my fingers had an unfortunate meeting with the leading edge of a 120mm fan blade inside a server case. Fortunately the fan blade broke and it doesn't look like I'll lose the fingernail. I've learned my lesson, always approach case fans from the trailing edge.

--
Eric

1107) Message boards : Technical News : Soon-to-be Up Time (May 04 2007) (Message 561608)
Posted 6 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I know you guys currently run on MySQL, but if you ever want to switch it over to Oracle, let me know. I'm a professional DBA with experience on Oracle. Oracle Corp can probably give you a free license since you are "non-profit", and I can help migrate all the data over to it. An Oracle database can provide a much more robust backup and recovery strategy, performance throughput, etc. Just a thought. Just trying to help anyway I can.


Actually, our science database is on Informix. Our friend at Intel has suggested a change to Oracle (because he spends his time designing database solutions). One issue (other than cost, although a free license sounds good) would be porting our science DB code to Oracle (API, Informix specific code, Additional support code) If you know someone who could volunteer to do it, it might help.

The other issue would be getting us up to speed in administering Oracle.

1108) Message boards : Technical News : Soon-to-be Up Time (May 04 2007) (Message 560670)
Posted 5 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

A Sun Fire x4500 with the full 24 TB storage is what has been noted in other threads. Even at that, Eric's notes on how much of the storage was in use suggested a larger storage capacity may be needed relatively soon.


The storage situation isn't quite that dire in that a significant proportion of that space was, in effect, a cache for the multibeam data on its way to the LBNL HPSS system. I think that all of it could be recovered except to the previous 7 days of science database activity. The size of the cache could be reduced to increase the available space for the database.

Since the drives from thumper should be in working order, we should be able to put together a 12TB (24 drive) machine to use as a backup for the science database. We're working on various options (i.e talking with people) for getting a 24 drive chassis with MB and processors.

Eric
1109) Message boards : Technical News : Soon-to-be Up Time (May 04 2007) (Message 560657)
Posted 5 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

If I remember correctly, Thumper is a v40z (and apparently was a prototype), and I'd kind-of expect the new machine to be a production v40z.


Close, but not quite. The v40z is jocelyn. Currently jocelyn is a replica of the BOINC database machine. Sidious is the current BOINC database. Thumper was the SETI@home science database and was a prototype Sun Fire X4500. The price tag on the replacement is a bit higher a v40z (even though they are currently on sale for $24,000) and we certainly are grateful to Sun for reducing that to a price we could afford.

The server should be in our hands sometime on Monday.

1110) Message boards : Technical News : Down Time III (May 03 2007) (Message 560016)
Posted 5 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

How does the SETI staff handle those contributors who have wished to truly remain anonymous and have mailed a cash contribution of $1, $5, or even $10 or more in an envelope with no return address or tracking information?

What kind of government reporting headaches and acknowledgment expenses do those anonymous donations create? Have those individuals' efforts helped or hindered the project?


That's a good question.... I know that each check we receive costs us a few minutes of Kevin's time. You can ask Kevin what his salary is, but it's not a financial burden for him to spend a few minutes. I don't know how anonymous cash is handled. Cash received with any identifying information needs to be properly tracked and acknowledged. Since I don't open the envelopes myself, I don't know how often we receive anonymous cash, if ever. It certainly needs to be entered and tracked but beyond that IDK. I would guess that it gets dealt with in one lump sum, if more than one anonymous cash donation arrives in a batch.

1111) Message boards : Technical News : Down Time (May 01 2007) (Message 558107)
Posted 2 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
--
How big is the array ????


24x500GB. (12TB of which about 8TB was active with 2TB of parity and 2TB of spares).

Just talked with Matt and Jeff. It looks like we'll have a replacement machine within a few days, but I can't give details just yet because things are still in process.

Eric

1112) Message boards : Technical News : Down Time (May 01 2007) (Message 558090)
Posted 2 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Oh well if it goes it goes with a bang (someone find an 24 port Sata Controler)



Infortunately, thumper's hardware is very specialized. The 6 sata controllers are part of a stacked/sandwiched motherboard design. There are no SATA cables in the box. The 48 port SATA backplane plugs directly into the lower motherboard. It's pre-release hardware, so Sun doesn't know whether a full motherboard swap is even possible due to changes between the engineering model and the production model. Even if we got a 24 port PCI SATA controller, there would be no way to use it in thumper.

Our best bet is to get another machine with 24 drive bays, and we're exploring several avenues. We used software (mdadm) RAID+LVM, so they should boot right up in a different box. I'll post an update when I have more info on current status.

Eric
1113) Message boards : Technical News : Down Time (May 01 2007) (Message 558084)
Posted 2 May 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

As i stil got +- 1 day worth of work does this afect beta as well ?


Yep, beta will run out of work as well. I'll be getting a current status report from Matt and Jeff in 20 minutes.
1114) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Errors - CLOSED (Message 549301)
Posted 20 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


It seems like the assimilators have done their job, most of the validate errors reported in my first post have been purged ... WITHOUT BEING GRANTED ANY CREDIT



Credit was granted for all of the validate errors (and any other problem with pending credit). In some cases it might not have gotten credited to the proper host (if the host id had changed). But the users have gotten credit. If you didn't see a jump in your credit, it might be that you had already been granted credit. Most of the items listed as pending had already been granted proper credit.

<edit>
Sorry, I was talking about validate errors in beta. Validate errors in the main project, it depends upon the circumstances and whether we were able to catch them quickly enough.
</edit>
1115) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #3 (Warning, science enclosed. Do not fold or bend.) (Message 548658)
Posted 18 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

The pulses show up at band center frequencies regardless of the local oscillator settings because the pulses are strong enough to saturate the mixers. That's primarily fooled us into thinking it was an instrumentation problem. (The local oscillator is how the observing frequency band is tuned within the receiver band.)

The Punta Salinas website table gives the duration of the pulses, 41.2 and 409.6 microseconds. I didnt check the frequencies of of the occurrences of the pulses; they might be there, too. The frequencies of the signals themselves are just below those of Seti, from about 1.2 to 1.4 GHz.

1116) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's (quarterly?) Post Number 5 (Message 548649)
Posted 18 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Feel free to pass it along, as is, or anonymized, your choice. If it gets something done, all the better.

1117) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #3 (Warning, science enclosed. Do not fold or bend.) (Message 547254)
Posted 16 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We tracked it down to a radar system. I'll try to post more info this week.

Eric

Do you know which radar system?


Punta Salinas, 6.2 km west of old San Juan. It's operated by the Puerto Rico Air National Guard.

Fortunately the observatory has a system that can tell you when the radar pulses happen, so we can blank those parts of the data stream.

http://www.naic.edu/~phil/rfi/rdr/puntaSalinas/puntaSalinas.html

Eric
1118) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #3 (Warning, science enclosed. Do not fold or bend.) (Message 547057)
Posted 16 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We tracked it down to a radar system. I'll try to post more info this week.

Eric

Eric,

How's the interference search and fix progressing?

I've seen a comment somewhere saying that the interference is an instrumentation problem rather than external interference pickup by the antenna.

Yet another wild guess: Have you got an impedance missmatch causing reflections on a (long) signal cable?...


Keep searchin',

Regards,
Martin

1119) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's (quarterly?) Post Number 5 (Message 546993)
Posted 16 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Red checkered flannel you say? Not a lumberjack in a former life were you?


Maybe a former one. In this life I was one of the few boys in my high school who didn't spend late spring peeling pulp.

<edit>
For those of you who didn't grow up in the big woods, peeling pulp means removing the bark from cut aspen on its way to becoming paper.
</edit>
1120) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Donations (Message 546988)
Posted 16 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Thanks again for another response, Eric.
So I can be even more clear, then, it's not about the recent departures but rather how the auto-mod experiment worked to begin with. Was it really random selection? Was it influenced by RACs? Was it influenced by donations? Anything along those lines.


The automod experiment was an attempt to find people who with a vested interest in keeping the project alive and peaceful. Posting history, RAC, and whether they had ever donated were part of the formula, weighted in that order. Amount of donations and date of most recent donation were not. IIRC, the formula was something like (# of unmoderated posts) x sqrt(RAC x (1+has_donated)). I'd need to dig up the code to be sure, though.

I haven't decided yet whether to choose new moderators based upon this or a similar formula or whether to offer posts based upon some other criteria.

Eric
1121) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's (quarterly?) Post Number 5 (Message 546912)
Posted 15 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
A lot has gone on since last time I posted here.

The cold I had last time I posted turned to pneumonia, which responded well to antibiotics. A big "Yay!" for western medicine, which has likely saved my life once more.

I took last week off to do my taxes. Those of you who don't live in the U.S. might not understand why someone would need to take 2% of the year to figure out how to pay the taxes accrued during the rest of the year.

I'm not going to complain about the amount of my taxes. Compared to the rest of the world they are quite low. How low depends upon how you calculate income, which is one of the difficulties of the tax code.

There is taxable income, tax deferred income, tax free income. Under taxable income there is wages, interest income, capital gains income, ordinary dividend income, qualified dividend income, self employment income, farming and fishing income, retirement income, social security income, miscellaneous income and a few others I'm sure I'm missing. Believe it or not, Angela and I had all of those except social security income, and, of course all of them get different tax treatment. (Yes, we got retirement income, even though neither of us is retired. And you don't want to know how we got farming income, because I'm not sure I fully understand it myself.)

The other side is deductions. Deductions are the complicated part. Deductions are a combination of attempted social engineering combined with special give aways to specific industries.

For example, there are deductions for interest on loans used to buy a home. The original purpose was to promote home ownership. Which it does. It also confused a lot of people into thinking that the interest deduction was a good reason to keep a home loan even if you could afford to pay it off. And, of course the banks would like you to think that it's worth paying them $10,000 in order to save $3,500 in taxes.

I'm not going to complain about the charitable contribution deduction. One reason is that it pays part of my salary (thank you for your donations). The other reason is that there are many things that the federal government isn't spending money on that it should be. Since the government won't spend the money, charitable organizations have to step in.

But there are lots of other deductions, like deductions for oil and gas exploration, owning a toxic waste dump, and many many more.

That said, I'd like to see the tax code greatly simplified, even at the cost of seeing higher taxes for myself and Angela. Overall our combined state and federal tax rate was about 24%. Which is not bad at all. Of course I spend 2% of the year figuring that out, so maybe call it 26%.

The question is, how to simplify it. I'm not a believer in a flat tax. I'm a true blue Wisconsin liberal (which is kind of like a Berkeley liberal with guns and beer and a penchant for red checkered flannel) and a strong believer in a progressive tax system, where high earners are taxed more than low earners.

In a properly designed progressive tax system, the system should distribute the pain of taxes evenly, rather than the taxes themselves. Since the value of an additional dollar of income is less to someone earning $1M per year than to someone earning $1000 per year. To one, it's one 400th of a ticket to Hawaii. To the other it's another bag of rice. To put it another way: Have you ever given a dollar to a pan-handler? If the answer is yes, you probably did so because the dollar was more valuable (even to you) in their hands than it was in yours.

It naturally follows from this argument that there is an income level below which no taxation is tolerable. And that income level can be calculated fairly easily. It's the level where income is equal to the cost of housing, food, medical care, and educational expenses. Below that level, the tax rate should be negative.

So here's my reformed tax code.


  • All income would taxable at the same rates (including capital gains and dividends, social security, etc.), except tax deferred income. Tax deferred income is income deposited into retirement accounts which will be taxed at a later time.
  • Expenses for the following are directly deductable from income:

    • Housing would deductable, with the standard deduction being the smaller of the county median annual cost and twice the state wide median. The maximum deduction the smaller of twice the county median and twice the state wide median. There should be carryover, so if someone pays cash for a house, they can take the deduction over a period of 15 years. However such a deduction would reduce the basis of the home for capital gains.
    • Food is deductable with the same relation to median as for housing.
    • Transportation costs would be deductable with the same relation to median.
    • Necessary and preventive medical care would be deductable (with limits based reasonable charges. No more charges of $90 for a thermometer). This deduction includes medical insurance.
    • Educational expenses for study at public schools or universities are 100% deductable. Study at private schools is deductable up to the median public school spending per pupil.
    • Chartiable contributions used for public services, research, and other public purposes should continue to be deductable from income. Organizations that currently perform both public benefit work and work that is primarily for the benefit of the members of the organization will need to separate out their donations such that only the charitable donations are deductable. Yes, church with the 47" plasma TV in the coffee lounge, I'm looking at you. And yes, universities, overhead or fees that you charge on donations would not be deductable.


  • These deductions should be subtracted directly from the income. Call this number "disposable income".
  • The tax computation would take some finesse. One idea is:

    • tax_rate=max_rate*(1-exp(-kappa*sqrt(disposable_income/deductions)))


    where max_rate is the maximum tax rate, and kappa is chosen for reasonable rates at middle income. With a 90% max rate and kappa=0.35 my tax rates would remain the same. For negative disposable income the formula would need to change kappa to -kappa and disposable_income to -disposable income. In other words the tax rate would go negative.



Of course, this is just an idea, and it will never be implements, because it would cost too many powerful people too much money.

<edit>

(I had to leave so I entered what I had written. I'm back now to add a bit more. What this forum needs is a save function.)

I want to point out the numbers above are just values to throw out there to stimulate discussion. I'm not saying that 90% is necessarily a good place for the top bracket, although I can easily believe that a dollar has less equivalent value to Bill Gates than a dime does to me.

I'm also not saying that I should be paying only 25%.

And this is combined state and federal tax. There would need to be negotiation between the states and the federal government to achieve something like this. Maybe state taxes paid would need to be 75% deductible from income.

The method I laid out might seem a bit complex. Compared to the existing tax code, which is 16,845 pages long, it's pretty darn easy.

</edit>

--
Eric

1122) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Donations (Message 546794)
Posted 15 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Eric, thanks for the response. I am trying to think carefully before asking or saying more. In general, I am just trying to understand recent events that normally I would pay little mind. I am paying attention to it, this time, because of the statements of the few I trust and a gut-feeling, semi-analysis I have developing.


I hope that last line didn't sound like I was accusing you of having an agenda. I was just supposed to be a pointless joke.

If this is regarding the departure of certain moderators, donations don't have anything to do with that. I was asked (forced) to make a decision. I described the procedure I would use to make that decision and followed that procedure.

Was it fair? Well, no. It's nearly impossible to make a fair decision when given a binary (either/or) decision where neither option is fair. Neither decision would was fair to the parties involved. However, I doubt that I could have come up with a fairer procedure for making the decision.

I hold no animosity towards the moderators that departed, and I would probably reinstate them upon request. Departure was their option.

--
Eric
1123) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Donations (Message 545734)
Posted 13 Apr 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Question 2: Does the amount of donations one makes, if any, influence how certain crunchers/posters are treated?


In treatment on the forums, I don't think it makes a difference in how the admins treat you. I can't speak for the posters, of course.

I'd like to be able to say it would have no bearing on my behavior at all, but there are cases where it does. As most everyone here who has tried to call me should tell you, if I'm in my office and you call, I'll pick up the phone. If you leave a message, I probably won't find the time to get back to you even if I want to.

However, if I recognize you as a big contributor looking for tech support, I might be more likely to call back.

Does that make me a bad person? Or was it the killing spree?
1124) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Errors - CLOSED (Message 534153)
Posted 20 Mar 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Will this validate error be repaired ??

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=118428966


There are a lot of these that I need to look at in order to figure out what caused them before I grant credit for them.

So the answer is yes, but it may take a little while.

Eric
1125) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Errors - CLOSED (Message 534152)
Posted 20 Mar 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=498710791
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=489345529

Those are not Validate errors, they are Joe Segur errors.


Say it ain't so, Joe!

Sorry, couldn't resist the baseball reference.

Eric
1126) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Now the Arecibo observatory is observable (Message 528712)
Posted 9 Mar 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you watch the movie Contact, Jodi foster has sex with Matthew McConoughy in the one closest to the left edge of the picture. I have stayed in the one next to it.

9 is the visitor center. 2 is mostly administrative offices. The dark line that passes through 2 and 11 is the shadow of a 50 foot cliff. The dark blue blob near the lower right hand corner of "Are these residences?" is the swimming pool. I would guess most of the large flat buildings are equipment storage and machine shops.
1127) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's not quite weekly post #4: Kryten must die. (Message 528403)
Posted 9 Mar 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Ok, so my posts haven't quite been weekly. I'll try to get back on schedule, but time is a precious commodity. One reason this is quite late is that last Tuesday was my wedding anniversary. Angela and I had planned to take a little trip to Santa Cruz on Wednesday through Saturday. Get a little R&R... Eat some seafood...

My main goal before leaving was to get the "common waveform RFI rejection" (mentioned in my last post) working in the beta project before we left. It wasn't as easy as I had anticipated. It turns out that subtracting the common waveform isn't always enough, so I've added a high pass filter to the multibeam splitter. It seems to be working pretty well at reducing the number of overflows due to these glitches, but it is cutting our sensitivity within 50 kHz of 1.42 GHz. Jeff, Matt and Josh have been working on finding the source of the glitches and they are slowly closing in on the possible sources. It's faily certain they are in the instrumentation somewhere rather than an external radio source.

Josh is going to be implementing the high pass filter in the Astropulse client to take care of the problem there.

Anyway, by Tuesday night I hadn't solved the problem. So I cancelled a day of our trip and worked through Wednesday. As you can imagine, Angela was thrilled. It still wasn't working on Wednesday night, but I couldn't cancel another day without fearing for my life. So Thursday and Friday we enjoyed Santa Cruz. Saturday, we headed back to the bay after a stop at the DigiBarn (yes, I do have some hobbies). Saturday night we went to a birthday party at Trader Vic's.

Sunday morning, my allergies were killing me, or so I thought. Headed to Palo Alto for Matt and Janet's house warming party. By the time we got there I was sure that it wasn't alergies. Hope I didn't pass it along to anyone.

The cold wiped out Monday and Tuesday. I should have stayed home yesterday, but work won't wait forever. Spent much of yesterday assembling the kryten replacement that donated in pieces by Adam and Al and Anonymous and Anonymous and with drives coming from Anonymous. We're calling the new server "bruno" in honor of Giordono Bruno (pictured below) who was burned at the stake for a combination of proclaiming that there was life on other worlds and generally pissing off everyone in authority.

Two of the fiberchannel drives in the array died during the RAID build, so I'm stress testing the rest of the drives and the CPUs over the weekend. Hopefully we'll get it online shortly thereafter.


(Picture of Giordono Bruno, Courtesy Dan Werthimer)


(Crappy Cell phone picture of the server bruno. Bruno is the black box on top, and the fiberchannel array is the block box above the UPS bricks. The stuff in the middle is an old unrelated Compaq Pentium II server.)
1128) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Donations to Help Keep Seti Alive (Message 523755)
Posted 26 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


2. Introduce a star ranking scheme. For instance 1 star for 10$, 2 stars for 50$, 3 for 100$, 4 for 500$ and so on.



Actually, I had thought of a similar scheme back when we first started on the road to green stars. Dan and David nixed the idea because they thought it would cause bad feelings among the donors. I didn't see it that way, and still don't. Every other charity I donate to generates lists of donors based up how much they donate.

I don't tend to think ill of people who gave more than I did.

One possible problem some might see with this system is it might undervalue contributions from people who don't have as much to give. When I give $100, it's one less dinner for two in San Francisco. For some people who run SETI@home, $100 might be a week's wages. The star system adequately represents what we received, but it often doesn't represent the sacrifice made by the donor. I'm sure economists have a name for that. They have a name for everything.

Anyhoo, I'll bring this up again at our next meeting. Perhaps Dan and David can be swayed.

Eric
1129) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #3 (Warning, science enclosed. Do not fold or bend.) (Message 521648)
Posted 22 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Hafta agree about the Jupiter thing, but Arecibo does have some hills around, and 1.4 GHz is well within the band used for UHF TV transmissions round the world. I wonder: does the interference show up on BOTH polarisations, or only one? (Horizontal or vertical?) I take it the Alfa receiver doesn't check for helical.


It shows up in both polarizations (and the polarizations are linear, but it would be possible to derive circular polarizations from the data stream.)
1130) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Donate Hardware II (Message 521254)
Posted 21 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Spent the day trying to get the server based upon the Intel motherboard, the anonymously donated processors and RAM up and running and hit a snag. Despite looking like it would fit in our Intel chassis, it won't without significant use of a hacksaw. And since we're not sure whether Intel gave us or loaned us that chassis, I'm not ready to start sawing.

Does anyone out there have an Intel SR2300 or compatible 2U chassis (with PS)? There's a list of possible chassis here.

On the plus side, we switched fully to our new ISP, which will save us several thousand dollars a month.

The rest of the day I'll get the interface for putting the paypal donations into the database working.

Eric
1131) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #3 (Warning, science enclosed. Do not fold or bend.) (Message 519893)
Posted 19 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
do the signals from each head travel independently to the recorders or are they multiplexed and then separated later?


Each signal travels separately, although there are plenty of opportunities for crosstalk in electronic systems along the way. It's a long way from the telescope to the recorder.

Eric
1132) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #3 (Warning, science enclosed. Do not fold or bend.) (Message 519890)
Posted 19 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Those FFTs look like the pulses are rounded, and they are symmetrically centred mid-band, so I'd suspect first signal wiring pickup or voltage rail disturbance near/on the ADC(s) in the data recorder, or pickup on the way to the datarecorder.


My bet is fluctuations in the ground plane or a loose connection somewhere.



Do those pulses match HDD activity?!



That's another one we can check on. The files are temporarily stored on a RAM disk before being transferred to the HDD. We should be able to run for a period with no HDD activity.


A second wild shot is if the datarecorder CPU is overloaded and is missing picking up or responding to a proportion of its interrupts.


This is probably not the case, but worth checking....

Thanks,

Eric
1133) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #3 (Warning, science enclosed. Do not fold or bend.) (Message 519888)
Posted 19 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


this __Multibeam - 9 result_overflow WU__ that my computer processed has a true angle range of : 135.086062 ?

is there any signifcance re: true angle range of : 135.086062 ?



Hi Byron,

The high angle range workunits are the result of a different problem. Apparently the telescope sends a bad coordinate packet on rare occasion. I'm going to fix that one by checking whether the distance between any two coordinates exceeds the maximum rate the telescope can move in that amount of time.

Eric
1134) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #3 (Warning, science enclosed. Do not fold or bend.) (Message 518296)
Posted 16 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
OK, so I missed a week. Nobody's perfect.

This week, I've been busting my brain about some interference we are seeing in the multibeam data recorder. Anyone who runs the beta may have noticed that both Astropulse and SETI@home multibeam work units have been hitting overflow conditions fairly regularly. Regularly enough that a lot of machines were hitting their 100 workunit per day limit. So I
set about the task of figuring out what was going on. I'll ask you to forgive me in advance because this might get a bit technical...

I grabbed one of the recorder data files that showed this effect and did a little spectral analysis to see if I could figure something out. This is what I saw.



This is what we call a waterfall plot of about 0.42 seconds of data from one of the data recorder channels. The vertical axis is frequency difference in MHz from 1.420 GHz. The horizontal axis is time. Generally it looks OK. The darkish stripe at zero frequency is due to a high-pass filter that cuts out any constant voltage offset in the system. The gradual darkening at the top and bottom are the high and low frequency edges of our bandpass filter. You might notice a slightly brighter stripe at about 0.5 MHz that is due to the Hydrogen line that Kevin spends his time making maps of.

What I didn't expect to see is the 7 or so vertical lines that cross zero frequency. That's our problem. Pulsed interference of some sort. From the width I can see that the pulses have time scales of 20 to 50 microseconds or so. They aren't entirely regularly spaced, but they are close enough and strong enough to register as pulses in astropulse and as triplets in SETI@home. I looked at all of the receivers and I saw something similar in each.

The next thing to check was whether the interference appeared at the same time in all the bands. So I did a complex sum of all of the channels to see if the signals were coherent, meaning they have the same phase and timing in all the channels.

Spectral analysis of the result showed this:



That convinced me that there is some source of interference that affects all of the channels in nearly the same way. It's also more common than you would think if you just looked at one channel. So I did the obvious thing and subtracted the summed waveform from the channel to see if that would remove the pulses. It did. Perfectly.

That is, until I tried to turn the subtracted channel into a work unit. In order to do that, I needed to turn my floating point data back into the 1 bit samples. That restored the pulses. It took a little work to figure out why. I was subtracting a waveform with values between -1 and 1 from values that were either -1 or 1. Then I would take the result and convert it to -1 or 1 depending upon whether it was less than zero. So if I subtracted 1 from 1, I would get zero, which is not less than zero so the result would be 1. 1-1=1. Josh is exploring ways to fix this. The one I'm currently working with is: if the result of the subtraction is between -0.5 and 0.5, then assign a random value. So far it seems to work pretty well, I'll be testing it out in beta next week.
Another option would be to use 2 bit samples in the work units. That also appears to work well, but it doubles the size of the workunit files. So we'll try the randomizer first.

Next we'll try to figure out where these pulses are coming from. Since they are coherent across channels and polarizations I suspect that that are somewhere in the electronics chain after the mixer. Maybe even in the data recorder itself. We'll be talking with engineers at Arecibo in order to find out if we can get rid of them at the source.

Dan suggested this may be the first time that an RFI waveform has been removed from a channel by using multibeam data. I doubt it, but it's certainly the first time we've done it, and that's good enough for me.

--
Eric
1135) Message boards : Technical News : Who is --fqdn? (Feb 08 2007) (Message 515554)
Posted 10 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've solved this problem, and unfortunately it wasn't the cause of all our woes. It turns out its one of those Solaris/Linux incompatibilities. Two of them, actually...

When you run "su" on linux and start a shell the shell you start will source the startup files from the root account's home directory. On solaris, it will source the startup files on the account you are running "su" from. I've always thought that was pretty dangerous.

So what was happening was, I was running "su" from the boincadm account on solaris. Since /bin/sh is unusable, I always start bash after I become root on a solaris machine. I wasn't aware that someone had created a .bashrc in the boincadm account.

In that .bashrc file, there was a command that sets a variable to the fully qualified domain name when run on linux. "MYHOST=`hostname --fqdn`" On solaris, there is no --fqdn option to hostname. An argument to hostname there attempts to set the hostname. When run as boincadm, nothing happens, since only root can set the hostname. When run as root, it sets the hostname to --fqdn.

Mystery solved. Unfortunately, not the big mystery.

Eric

1136) Message boards : Technical News : Kryten woes (Jan 31 2007) (Message 515551)
Posted 10 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Dan, I think you might not be getting my emails, and I'm not getting yours for some reason. It's not even my spam filter this time. Or the lab's spam filter as far as I can tell. I sent an email to you and Pappa giving an alternate email address. If you don't see it, have Pappa forward it to you.

Eric

1137) Message boards : Technical News : Kryten woes (Jan 31 2007) (Message 515549)
Posted 10 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Lets get Kevin one of his own boxes then :)


Like we could keep Kevin down to one machine.... ;)


And I did get a reply back from Matt. I sent him some information back. Let me know via email what you think.



Matt was out today, but I'll catch him on monday.

Another thing I was worrying about today was congestion on the LAN. I'm wordering if this has something to do with kryten's problems and other occasional NFS problems we have. Since we were almost entirely Sun with 100-BaseTX when we build the closet, we're using 100 Mbps switches. If we could separate the 100 Mbps from the 1 Gbps machines, it might help the problems, especially if we do some analysis to balance things out over multiple gigabit switch backplanes. Of course since we really don't have a good understanding of the problems I might be grasping at straws.

Anyway, I'll bring this up on Monday at the systems meetings. Anyone got a pile of rack mount gigabit over copper switches that can handle fairly high and continuous load? I'll get Matt and Jeff's opinion before I ask for real.

Eric

1138) Message boards : Technical News : Kryten woes (Jan 31 2007) (Message 515141)
Posted 9 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:



Anyway, how about letting us know what’s on the S@H shopping list?



I can have this to you within the next 36 hours - only question - what type of machine is this going on - Mobo ? My vendor is asking.
Do you have a preferred name brand ?



It a Dual Opteron server with a SuperMicro H8DA8 motherboard. Although we have CL2.5 memory in it now, but CL3 would probably be fine, and wouldn't kill us as much as the low memory is. The machine's primary use is as a file and database server, although Kevin cripples it with computing on a regular basis. Brand doesn't matter too much, other than it helps to have the mfg say it works with the specific board.

Eric
1139) Message boards : Technical News : Kryten woes (Jan 31 2007) (Message 514981)
Posted 8 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Anyway, how about letting us know what’s on the S@H shopping list?



I'm working on the list. The problem is tracking down what each machine needs. One thing we could use fairly quickly for an existing machine is four 2GB PC3200 (DDR400MHz) Registered ECC DIMMS. I'm checking out memory needs for the other machines. Sidious needs a new CPU. I'll get the details on that shortly.

Eric
1140) Message boards : Technical News : Kryten woes (Jan 31 2007) (Message 514978)
Posted 8 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Sorry Pappa, but this is not for you. I will not email you. That post was not to you, nor in response to you.
Matt knows how to contact me. And I have his email address as well, Nothing personal, but I don't need a middle man.



You might want to contact Matt directly since he probably hasn't had time to keep up with the thread since yesterday.

Eric
1141) Message boards : Technical News : Kryten woes (Jan 31 2007) (Message 514734)
Posted 7 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Ok....with all due respect to Eric & Matt and the crew at UB. Let me summarize the relevant concern...and someone other than Poppa (no offense)-preferably Eric or Matt-please respond...

1) You need a server...


Yes, we do.


2) Dr Dan has one and it was researched by Dr. Dan to fit your needs as closely as possible.


I spoke on the phone to Dr. Dan this morning and I'm looking into whether it can be done.


3rd logical step---JUMP AT IT-SAY YES AND TAKE IT REGARDLESS OF WHO'S NAME IS OR ISN'T ON IT! Name it Kryten Jr for all I care. Stop waiting for everyone to be in one place---if it fits a need-take it!


It's not quite that simple. I wish it were, but its not. We have to consider not only the 220V issue, but whether it will tax the total power that can be put into the server closet without tripping a breaker and whether the amount of waste heat it produces will overload the air conditioning unit. Then there's the issue of having enough physical space. There's a reason we call it a closet.

This is a massive machine, and it would cost Dr. Dan a significant amount of money to ship it here. If it gets here and there's something that prevents us from using it, I'd feel pretty bad about putting him to the trouble.

As is, it doesn't immediately fit an immediate need. In order to use it, assuming the power supplies aren't easily switched, we'll need 220V in the closet or a replacement power supplies, and we'll need 12 or more GB of additional compatible RAM, we'll need to decide which disk array to use and how to drive it. Dr. Dan will have to ship it across the country. Those things will take a little while to come together (assuming they can come together). There's no point in shipping it until we're sure that we won't hit a show stopper.

In the same conversation he mentioned another machine that is significantly smaller and might do just as well for what we need, so I'm looking into that, too.

We have to check things out because we have received machines that we weren't able to use as we intended because we didn't take a close enough look at the specifications and come up with the right plan.

[edit]
And I don't care about naming. We can call it whatever the donor wants or doesn't want.
[/edit]
1142) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's weekly post #2 (Message 513853)
Posted 6 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Eric, I heard some years ago about plans to make a super-telescope using three telescopes placed different places on the Earth, so the whole planet will function as a telescope. Has this been developed further? Or was it only discussions?


If you aren't talking about VLBI, maybe you are thinking of the Square Kilometer Array (SKA) which would have a total collecting area of 1 million square meters. It is still in the development stages. The rumours are that site selection has been narrowed down to two sites. One is Australia, the other is scattered through several countries in south africa. I believe that the design is leaning towards medium size (20-40m) dishes, rather than a few Arecibo style dishes, or a bazillion small dishes. Reducing the number of dishes descreases the complexity of the electronics at the cost of reducing the angular range for a single dish position.

I'd be surprised to see first light before 2020.

1143) Message boards : Technical News : Kryten woes (Jan 31 2007) (Message 513677)
Posted 5 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Matt,

I have noticed that your kryten computer has had some issues. I would be willing to donate an HP enterprise xlr 8500 8 cpu xeon 700 mhz computer to replace kryten.
I have had this unit for six months without any problems what so ever. If you are interested please let me know. The only thing that I require is that the computer be named seti.usa. P.S. the unit has 4 geg memory and twin 16 geg 10,000 scsi drives, and needs 220 vac to run.

Dr. Dan.


Um, I just noticed the 220 VAC. We don't have 220 in the server closet, and I doubt the building manager would run it there for us. (This building was very poorly designed when it comes to the requirements of research or computer equipment.)

Eric
1144) Message boards : Technical News : Kryten woes (Jan 31 2007) (Message 513676)
Posted 5 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Matt,

I have noticed that your kryten computer has had some issues. I would be willing to donate an HP enterprise xlr 8500 8 cpu xeon 700 mhz computer to replace kryten.
I have had this unit for six months without any problems what so ever. If you are interested please let me know. The only thing that I require is that the computer be named seti.usa. P.S. the unit has 4 geg memory and twin 16 geg 10,000 scsi drives, and needs 220 vac to run.

Dr. Dan.




Hi Dr. Dan,

I will make sure that this gets brought up at the systems meeting.

Eric
1145) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's weekly post #2 (Message 513456)
Posted 5 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I know that, per David Woolley's messages of several years back, the stick Seti receiver hadn't been using the entire Arecibo dish at one time, ever. . . . It is not clear how much of the big dish is used at any one time by Alfa.


Unless I'm doing my math wrong, using the flat feed, we were typically getting an effective diameter of 145 meters or 16500 m^2 of collecting area at 85% efficiency (for point sources), not counting digitization losses. That's about 25% of the dish.

In the gregorian dome, depending upon exact azimuth and zenith angle, we typically get an effective diameter of 240 meters or 45000 m^2 of collecting area at 85% efficiency (also for point sources), again, not counting digitization losses. That's about 62% of the full area of the dish, and 4.5 times the collecting area of the full ATA (if the full ATA gets enough funding to be built).

As I said, I'm not saying one is better than the other or that it should be an either or proposition. I'm saying ATA is better for some things, AO is better for others.
1146) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's weekly post #2 (Message 513304)
Posted 4 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Wow. Things sound really grim. What's the source of the funding cuts? Is it our government and it's "war on terror", or was there a pre-determined amount of time they were willing to fund it before they felt it was time to cut it off? Or what?


I'm not sure I could point fingers at any one factor. Funding for astronomy is a tiny fraction of overall NSF funding. Funding for the entire NSF is a tiny fraction of federal funding. Increased funding for other things during times of decreasing revenue doesn't help, and makes it impossible for the NSF budget to grow. Even if the NSF budget grows, astronomy isn't considered a national priority. Congress and the president set the priorities for the federal budget, so overall the responsibility lies there.

Arecibo's funding cut has short term and long term costs. Short term, another organization that does radio astronomy and has facilities in West Virginia and New Mexico asked the powerful senators from those two states to earmark money in the NSF budget for them. The obliging senators earmarked several milion dollars more than the facility requested. The earmarks don't change the total NSF astronomy budget, it just diverts money from where the NSF wanted it to go into projects in New Mexico and West Virginia. Puerto Rico doesn't have voting representation in the senate.

Long term, there are a lot of new facilities coming on line, and if there was no chance of budgets increases for Astronomy, older facilities need to be shut down.

I can speak to the cause of ATA's troubles. I'm not involved directly. I think that the original agreement was that Paul Allen would provide seed funding, and that the SETI Institute would need to find other funds for completion. I know NSF has given them some, but the required amounts might be too much for NSF to handle.


What does that mean personally and professionally for you? Worse case scenario, if things were shut down sooner rather than later, what would you do next? How would you feel about it?


It means that a lot of planned projects might not happen. The ALFA sky surveys might not be finished. And if there are, there will be a period of time when there are no instruments capable of making followup observations. I guess our next option would be to take our equipment elsewhere, Parkes, or an array that supports multiple beam formers. Regardless, it would most likely be outside of the U.S. SETI@home will still have a large amount of data from ALFA left to sift through (unless the amount of volunteers we have increases by a large amount).
1147) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's weekly post #2 (Message 512854)
Posted 4 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Woo hoo! A whole week and I haven't yet broken my promise to post once a week. (It's not Sunday here yet, so it still counts.)

I've been on pseudo-vacation since I submitted the NASA proposal on tuesday. My parents are in town, and Angela is doing her best to make sure I don't work on my "vacation." She's taking a nap right now, so as long as she doesn't wake up, I'm in the clear.

I don't have anything earth shattering to discuss today. I should mention that some Astropulse (a search for radio pulses that could come from ET or from evaprating black holes or pulsars) work units went out in beta last week, for the first time in a long time. You can get some description of Astropulse here. Yes. You read the date on that right. Astropulse has been stalled due to lack of forced labor... um... I mean a graduate student. Josh von Korff has been on the case for a little while and is making some progress.

Since I don't have that much new to discuss, I'll answer a question that appear in response to last week's post. The question was "Will the Allen telescope array render SETI@home obsolete?" As with most things in science, the answer is yes and no.

Any telescope will have its advantages and disadvantages. Those advantages and disadvantages affect how science is done with that telescope. There are really two characteristic to a telescope that affect how capable it is at doing SETI. Those are the collecting area, and the size of the field of view of the telescope (also called its beam size). For a single dish, those two parameters are inversly proportional to one another. A small dish has a large field of view. A small dish has a large field of view. That explains why you don't need a telescope in order to align a 14-inch (35 cm) digital satelite TV dish.

Arecibo's advantage is obvious. It's big. Really big. That means it has a large area for collecting radio signals. It also has the smallest beam of any single radio dish the new multibeam receiver has 7 beams, each of which is 3 arcminutes in diameter. (The size of a baseball seen from 100 meters away.)

The ATA is an array of radio telescopes. Arrays allow you to break the proportionality between area of the dish and the beam size. In an array, the size of the beam is inversely proportional to the largest spacing between the telescopes of the array, and the collecting area is proportional to the number of telescopes.

If the ATA gets fully assembled, its collecting area will still be less that that of the Arecibo telescope, but its beam size will be much smaller.

With Arecibo, we tend to do surveys. We look at the whole sky for potential signals. ATA, because it has a smaller beam is more suitable for point searches. If you want to look for signals from the 500 nearest stars, you want ATA. If you want to look for signals coming from anywhere in the sky, you want Arecibo or another large single dish (Parkes, GBT). To do both, you want both.

Of course, right now we have funding problems, which you have no doubt heard about. And Arecibo has funding problems, and will be shut down in five years if alternative funding isn't found. You may not have heard that ATA also has some funding issues. Right now I am not certain what fraction of the telescopes in the planned array will be built. The electronics that are required to generate the beam from the telescope data (the beam former) is also expensive, so funding determines how many simultaneous beams can be used. I think the current plan is for at least three beams, but if the beam former is behind schedule funding constraints may reduce that to two.

For what it's worth, my opinion is: "When you are looking for a needle in a haystack more eyes are better than fewer."

--
Eric
1148) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Donate Hardware II (Message 511568)
Posted 1 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

All I've seen are comments about some WD drives giving long time-outs when making their own data error recovery. That then times out that drive from a RAID controller and the drive gets marked as failed.


The problem we've seen is random corruption on single drives or software RAID drives when doing large amounts of memory mapped I/O. It seems to be some interaction between the Linux IOMMU subsystem on x86_64 and the firmware on the drives. Kernel developers blamed the WD firmware, which seems reasonable since we haven't been able to reproduce the problem on other drives. Never got a response from WD although they may have talked directly to the kernel developers. For all I know the WD may have solved the problem, but finding out would cost more in time than the difference in price between WD and other manufacturers.

I haven't tried the drives in hardware RAID configurations because of the possibility of silent corruption if they have issues there.

Eric

1149) Message boards : Team Recruitment Center : Who's steering at Team Canada? TONY IS!! (Message 511561)
Posted 1 Feb 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Here is the post with the email. You may want to try one of the search links in my profile to see if you can find out more info. It's possible the team founder rejected the transfer - but I don't know if that would generate a rejection notice back to you. I've put in a query to admin.

Edit:
I did some testing. You will be sent an email from boincadm at ssl.berkeley.edu if your request has been denied by the founder. Check your spam folder to see if the email got filtered. Either way at this point I'd recommend submitting another transfer request.



I'll look into the code that handles it to see if I can figure anything out.

Eric
1150) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Donate Hardware II (Message 510589)
Posted 29 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Actually I was wondering if they would want the cash equivalent?
If I donate cash the University takes 10% off the top, if I donate hardware do they want 10% of the cost? If not, hardware seems to better for Seti to get as they don't have to share with the University.
And do we still get the little star renewed if we donate hardware?


If you donate hardware, and you tell us your user ID, it goes toward your green star.

UC doesn't get 10% of hardware costs because the development office doesn't get involved. (i.e. we write you a thank you letter.) If we wanted them to do the accounting and thank-you notes, I'm sure they would want their cut.

Eric
1151) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Errors - CLOSED (Message 509939)
Posted 28 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Here's another WU that didn't complete it's validation for 3 of the Results.


It's weird, because even though the web page says "pending" for those results, they have been granted credit.

mysql> select validate_state,claimed_credit,granted_credit from result where id=451320177;
*************************** 1. row ***************************
validate_state: 0
claimed_credit: 62.4637255960425
granted_credit: 62.4637255960425

For some reason their validate_state wasn't set to 1 when credit was granted. I've started a query that should fix the problem. It might take a few hours to run, though.

Eric

1152) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : The Outsider's Inside View - post#001 (Message 509085)
Posted 26 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Back from the dentist with the new, permanent, cap. The rest of my teeth are pointing and laughing, but I assume the new one will be accepted as a brother before too long. I'll take a few minutes before getting back to work to explain the history of names. We tend not to repeat names, so once a machine goes, the name will probably go with it.

When I started here people named machines after the research group leaders. Stu Boywer and Supria Chakrabarti had "stew" and "soup" repsectively. The rest of us had terminals. Then came "rocket," a 4MB, 16 Mhz diskless 68020, named so because that's what we worked on at the time.

The came a big NASA mission, EUVE. At that point things divided up into multiple camps. There were the big servers which were usually named with acronyms, SOC1 (science operations center) and SDAF1 (super duper aerodynamic frog maybe? I dunno.) Then we got a optical disk jukebox, so it seemed obvious that "elvis" would run that. Around this time the SETI group got a machine named "serendip"

Personal workstations were usually named after towns on the california coast. "pacifica," "bodega," "bolinas," "monterrey," and "laguna" all come to mind. When we ran out of those we moved on to single malt scotch varieties "highland," "lowland," "islay," "skye," "speyside," etc.

Then I worked on the Far Ultraviolet Coronal Rocket and got a machine named "mofo" for obvious reasons. (Don't explain them unless you want to be moderated.)

Following that, a trend for naming machines after famous scientists and writers developed, some fictional, starting with "albert" and continuing through "isaac," "asimov," "drake," "jill," "dyson," "clarke," "sagan," "ellie," "jocelyn," "herschel," "hawking," "jansky," "hertz," "galileo," "castelli," and "ewen."

There was a brief stint of Simpsons characters, "marge," "homer," "lisa," "maggie," "bart," "skinner," "syzlak," "milhouse" mixed in with Scooby-do's "shaggy" and "scooby"

Then there's the "K-rack" that when it was full contained "kosh," "kang," "kodos," "koloth," "kryten," and "klaatu"

There was talk of a "G-rack" which gave birth to "gowron"

Now we're onto Star Wars, although Matt named his new desktop machine "wahweap" which could start a trend toward naming machines after marinas on Lake Powell.




1153) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #1 (Message 509019)
Posted 26 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I just saw a post on the Beta forum noting that there is Astropulse app version in the applications page of that project. I though we still had some way to go testing the Multibeam WUs. Is that what you're working on lately? (or maybe just one of them!)


Josh is mostly doing that. I need to get him to come here, (and on the beta forums) to explain what he's up to.

Eric
1154) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : The Outsider's Inside View - post#001 (Message 508754)
Posted 26 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The remaining 8 are on a machine called lando, one of our newer multi-core systems. We have another one, sidious,


Sorry to be way off topic, but in some relation to what you posted, are you/they naming your/their servers after Star Wars characters? Lando Calrissian and Darth Sidious? That's kinda cool if you/they are Star Wars fans.


Yep, we ran out of Simpsons characters and aliens with names that start with K.

I assume we'll have a vader at some point, too. Sidious is supposed to turn into a replica of the BOINC/user database machine, but it keeps on forgetting how many processors it has, hanging, and/or refusing to reboot properly.

That's fine, if a bit annoying, for what Kevin does. As a high reliability database machine, it needs a bit of work before we can rely on it.

[edit]
Kevin's work is to finish up what we first started here.
[/edit]

--
Eric
1155) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Eric's Weekly Post #1 (Message 508752)
Posted 26 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

My name is Eric and I'm a workaholic.

I'm not complaining and I'm certainly not bragging. I'm not looking for pity. I just want some you to know why I don't answer my email for days on end, or keep up with what's going on in the forums.

It sucks sometimes, but its what I am. I've become what I, as a child, vowed never to become. My father, in other words. I guess it happens to us all.

How do I know I'm a workaholic? I know the warning signs. My vacation pot is full at 384 hours. If I don't use vacation days, I don't earn any more. (But my grants still get charged for them). I would like to use them, but when I dream about vacation, I usually dream about using the time to do the work I don't have time to do when I'm at work (i.e. the parts of work I enjoy).

And my cats don't remember who I am.

I could have picked a better substance to become addicted to. Maybe if I added in amphetamines... Then I'd really get some work done. No? I guess caffeine will have to do.

That's not to say I don't enjoy my job. I do... Some of the time. Not really this week. I spent the entire week pounding the keyboard trying to get a proposal done in hope that I can convince a committee of my peers (read: people who don't want to see me get any money if what I'm doing might compete with their work) that I'm worthy of getting enough money to pay a bit less half my salary for the next three years. It goes with the turf, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

A fortunate part of aging is that you can't put in the hours like you used to. As a grad student I used to sleep at the lab 2 hours a night for weeks on end. Now that would kill me, and if it didn't my wife would.

The unfortunate part of aging is that after a 16 hour work day you can't do much of anything. My desk is so comfortable that I can barely turn my head. Does it look to you like I'm developing a shoulder hump? I think I can sleep face down without my chest touching the mattress.

The proposal is due on tuesday, so there are only 4 more 16 hour work days before I can get back to work.

But I can't. My parents are coming into town on Wednesday night and won't be leaving until Tuesday morning. Looks like I'll get to use 20 hours of that vacation time after all. Unless I count my actual work hours that is. Think there's any chance I won't have put in 40 hours by the time I leave work on Tuesday?

Sorry for the downer. I'll try to be a bit more upbeat next week, after a decent night's sleep.

Well, back to work... It's not quitting time yet.

--
Eric

1156) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Chat about Admiral's laptop Theft! (Message 508075)
Posted 24 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
David is handling the press contacts for us, so please tell media that if they wish to contact someone here they should go through davea at ssl.berkeley.edu

Eric
1157) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Welcome to the SETI@home staff blog. (Message 507788)
Posted 24 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Can there be any good invitations/encouragements for seti members from different cultures and countries besides english speaking countries? Well it is clear anybody can post here but when people from non english speaking countries post here they make few grammatical mystakes and mostly you guys kind of ridicule them like asking to write correct english etc.


It's a good idea to have international forums. The hard part come in how to handle the flame wars that will eventually arise. I suppose we could require a volunteer to moderate before we open a board in each language. I'll add this to my internal suggestion box.
1158) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Welcome to the SETI@home staff blog. (Message 507640)
Posted 23 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Everybody,

I want to welcome you to the SETI@home staff weblog forum. (blog forum? Isn't that redundant?) My hope is that this forum will be a way for us to provide you with more information about what we are doing. We're a small enough staff that we don't have time to keep up with what's going on in the forums, and to some extent that has kept us from posting there. If we tried to answer every question, we would never be able to get any of the work behind SETI@home done.

The rules of this forum are:


  • Only SETI@home staff members and admins can start a thread. But anyone can reply. I can't guarantee that we'll have to time to actually turn these threads into conversations, but we'll try.
  • We're going to delete off topic responses here. But feel free start new threads in the other forums.
  • We'll be very strict on flaming and insults here.



But like most weblogs, I hope this will be about more than just "what I did this week." I'm going to try to post at least one new thread a week, and I'll encourage the rest of the staff to do the same. Some will be about SETI and other work, some will be about whatever it is we want to talk about.

Like all blogs, this will have a few opinion pieces. As opinions, please remember they belong to the person expressing them and aren't official positions of SETI@home or the Regents of the University of California. My opinions are mine alone. You may have opinions of your own that differ from mine. If so, you just need to understand that yours are wrong! (That was a joke by the way.)

Hopefully you'll get a better understanding of what we do, what our day-to-day lives are like, and how we are trying to improve SETI@home.

--
Eric

1159) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Errors - CLOSED (Message 506650)
Posted 21 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I guess you could subtitle this thread 'A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Quorum'.


Ow! That really hurts.
1160) Message boards : Number crunching : donate hardware (Message 506649)
Posted 21 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Would a SuperMicro X5DA8-O with 2 x 3.06 GHz Xeons be of any use to them? I think I ran it with 2 or 4 GB ECC DDR-RAM, but it's expandable to 12 GBs.


It's a bit light on memory, but we could up that. I assume these are 32 bit Xeons? It doesn't matter that much except the 32 bit ones can't handle some of the large memory science and database tasks. Shouldn't be a problem with a kryten replacement. I also worry a bit about a 12GB maximum, although that would double kryten's RAM so it's most probably not a problem. I have a server meeting with Matt and Jeff tomorrow morning, so I'll discuss this machine, and TimeLordO4's machines versus the requirements for Koloth or Kryten replacement.
Personally, I'd be happy to reduce the number of SPARC machines to get closer to a Linux only environment.

If Jeff can come in that is. Jeff was out most of last week because his mother-in-law is very ill and lives in Santa Rosa (an hour's drive north of San Francisco).

We really do need to update the hardware-we-need list. We should especially list the specific types of memory we need. Memory upgrades are a problem it seems every machine is using a different type of memory.

The APC UPS might also be useful. He have a bunch of floor brick types, but a single rack mount might be able to replace two of those depending upon its capacity.

Eric
1161) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload problems. (Message 505798)
Posted 20 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The validator issues will recur as long as kryten keeps losing its mounts. I found a clue to the cause of the problem that I can at least check on the next time it happens.

I fixed a bunch of validate errors today (and a few hundred thousand earlier in the week). If you have some in you accounts that I haven't fixed, let me know so I can find them and try to give credit for them.

Eric
1162) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Global Warming! - CLOSED (Message 503903)
Posted 16 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I got 81, 41, 100 on my first try

You did exceptionally well. Most people get outvoted by 2040, way before 2100 when the game ends. Second or third try can get them to the end, but maybe not with impressive scores like yours. It's only a game. Thanks for having a go.


It was annoying that the game doesn't end on a "reduction goal" year. You end up voting for a CO2 reduction quota for a year falls after the end of the game... I was tempted to just boost the economy on the last turn to see what would happen.


1163) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Global Warming! - CLOSED (Message 503833)
Posted 16 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Here is my score. It's easy to beat. Some in CPDN did. But can you?




I got 81, 41, 100 on my first try, without taking the tutorial first. Do you total the numbers to determine "who won"? What's it supposed to prove? It's a game about reading bar graphs and a needle gauge. I probably would have gotten the same score if it was a game with an entirely different subject. It's certainly not as complex as a typical strategy game. It doesn't teach much, if anything, about the mechanisms of global warming, politics, or economics for that matter.
1164) Message boards : Cafe SETI : CLOSED (Message 503721)
Posted 15 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function show_select_from_array() in /disks/setifiler1/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/user/forum_forum.php on line 67


My bad. Forgot to disable the forums before updating the code.

Eric
1165) Questions and Answers : Web site : Have result in statistics dated 02-Dec-07 (Message 503631)
Posted 15 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Dave,

Is this date showing up in the BOINC client, on the web site? Or is this the date displayed in the screen saver?

Eric

I have a result that appears with the date 02-Dec-07. It showed up during the first week of so into January. Not a big deal, just curious if it will mess up my account in any way.

Thanks!

1166) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Errors - CLOSED (Message 503537)
Posted 15 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
OK, it's partially fixed. Workunits that hadn't yet reached quorum will be granted credit through the normal validation process. The ones that hadn't already reached quorum, I'll manually grant credit in a few hours.

Eric
1167) Message boards : Number crunching : Validate Errors - CLOSED (Message 503491)
Posted 15 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll try to get this fixed today.

Eric
1168) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload problems. (Message 502900)
Posted 14 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Kryten (aka setiboincdata) is being a bad boy again. A reboot fixed the upload problem, but now I'm unable to log in. I may need to run to the lab and give it another kick.

I have a few tricks to try, but I think we're going to need to replace kryten at some point in the near future. With what, I don't know.
1169) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (3) (Message 501980)
Posted 13 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Time to go to yellow alert!
Going to fill my cache once at 10 then set it back to my normal setting.


It's cogent's fault.

1170) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Why I cannot Donate - Closed (Message 501929)
Posted 13 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry for getting back to the thread so late. I'm back from Seattle, where I got the chance to meet Pappa in person. Spent much of today in the dentist chair getting my broken tooth worked on. The crown comes in in two weeks, so I get to go back for that. This is my second time writing this because my browser crashed in mid post.

Any how, regarding finding volunteers, it's an idea we have tried in the past and continue to try. There are some things, like application optimization (for which I am extremely grateful to the volunteers, and I have gotten more of the code since the interview, once I found out where to go for it), that it works well for. I'm not sure that it works too well for web development, aside from some PHP development. The primary problem is the interface between the web site and the back end science/candidate identification. It would really help if the web developer had scientific programming experience. Much of what we need to do on the requires visual communication which is best done in person. The time commitment is fairly substantial. Those things pretty much leave out volunteers with 9 to 5 jobs. But if anyone in the Bay Area wants to volunteer, I'll be happy to take you up on it.

The requirements for helping with the candidate identification are probably a bit harder to find. We really need a scientific programmer with SQL database experience and a strong understanding of statistics, or a physicist/astronomer/mathematician with a strong C++ programming background and database experience. It would be difficult to accomplish much in less than 15 hours a week. Again, any volunteers, feel free contact me.

Since Court left (in order to be able to earn a living. His words: "I stayed here as long as I could afford."), we're also short a full time systems administrator. It would be nice to have enough local volunteers so that someone could be on call 24/7 and enough people that we could have someone at the lab during normal business hours.

Volunteers do help a little with the budget, but they don't eliminate our problem. As I said elsewhere, we are essentially down to 3 FTE employees which is the bare minimum required to keep us running. We'd all like to work on SETI@home as much as possible, but we do need to eat and support our families. That means when SETI@home can't pay us we have to work on other projects (currently SETI@home pays 65% of my salary, 35% comes from a NASA grant that runs out in a year. I'll be spending the last two weeks of this month writing another grant application.) I don't think it likely we could reduce that 3 FTEs to 2, even with volunteers.

There is a tendency for people to assume greed is involved whenever dollars are requested. My salary doesn't change if I stop working on SETI@home and start working on something else. I don't get to change my salary, nor does anyone else here. It is set uniformly across the University. You can probably google on "university california assistant research salary scale" to find out what I make. It's not enough to be able to buy a house in the Bay Area (assuming that you follow the rule never spend more than 5 years salary on a house). It compares with entry level programming jobs. It's about two-thirds of what my wife, who was smart enough not to get a Ph.D., makes, after the same number of years on the job. In other words, we're not getting rich, we just want to be able to do the work.

But I certainly hear what you are saying, and I'll add a "volunteer" link to the front page at some point in the next few days and see what response we get.
1171) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Global Warming! - CLOSED (Message 501176)
Posted 11 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

So why is CO2 causing global warming on Earth, when it is not on Mars, despite there being more CO2 in the atmosphere of Mars?

My answer deleted...




That was a very interesting answer Eric. But it was wrong. The answer is that, whilst CO2 is a contributory factor to global warming, it is not the only factor. There are other factors that are causing global warming on Earth,

I appreciate your attempt to answer the question.


Excuse me? Look at the question "So why is CO2 causing global warming on Earth, when it is not on Mars, despite there being more CO2 in the atmosphere of Mars?"

That's the question I answered. The question had noting to do with other contributory factors. It had to do with CO2 causing warming on Mars. I'm beginning to see why others find conversing with you so frustrating. You repeatedly twist correct answers to questions into wrong answers to questions that weren't even asked. There's a word for that. It begins with 'tr' and ends with 'ling'.



1172) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Is is possible to have the seti folks trace the IP address of one of my machines? (Message 501132)
Posted 11 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


also got a call from QWest Corporate (Chairman - Dick Notebaert) Division

@ 1 . 800 . 251 . 1335 Direct for Helene



Sorry I'm late getting back to this. I've been out of town. I'll be calling Helene now.

Eric
1173) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Global Warming! - CLOSED (Message 501130)
Posted 11 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

So why is CO2 causing global warming on Earth, when it is not on Mars, despite there being more CO2 in the atmosphere of Mars?


Actually the greenhouse effect does cause significant warming on Mars. It's fairly easy to calculate the temperature that Mars would have without an atmosphere. The appropriate formula is simply

R_sun^2 T_sun^4 / d_mars^2 = 4*e_mars * T_mars^4 / (1 - a_mars)

or

T_mars=T_sun * sqrt(R_sun/(4*d_mars)*sqrt((1-a_mars)/e_mars))

where R_sun is the radius of the sun, T_sun is the effective photospheric temperature of the sun, d_mars is the distance from Mars to the sun, e_mars is the IR emissivity of mars, a_mars is the martian effective albedo, and T_mars is the martian surface temperature. Any freshman physics major can derive this for you.

Now for values: The solar temperature is 5785K, the radius of the sun is 0.696 million km, the mean distance from mars to the sun is 228 million km. The martian albedo is 0.15, and the IR emissivity is going to be larger than 1-a because nonmetallic solids tend to emit and absorb in the IR better than they do in the visible. Let's call it 0.95.

So the mean surface temperature of mars should be 155 Kelvin. The mean surface temperature is 210K, a difference of 55K. The most reasonable explanation is that the IR emissivity of Mars is less than would be expected. If you try to back substitute, you get that the Martian IR emissivity is about 0.28. In other words, mars radiates about 30% as much infrared energy as it should given its surface temperature. That is primarily because of the CO2 in its atmosphere.

Eric
1174) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Why I cannot Donate - Closed (Message 500099)
Posted 9 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I am still concerned that you are asking me to change a setting which clearly contradicts my request for anonymity.

It may be better to change the label to say "Green star yes/no", if this is the only effect that this setting has.

I am also curious as to why last year I was displaying a green star with my profile setting of "Are all your donations anonymous? yes", but am unable to do so now.


I agree with your suggestion to have the name changed to "Green star yes/no" or some other more obvious message. The other setting is indeed confusing. I don't know why a green star would have appeared last year, but not this year. There must have been a problem with the code that handles the appearance of the green stars.

Eric
1175) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I donated to this wonderfull project but i cannot see a green star? (Message 499519)
Posted 8 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

By changing my profile setting to "Are all your donations anonymous? no" will I still be assured that my donation remains anonymous, which is what I asked for when I made the donation? And will my personal details not be publicized by the University of Berkeley California? Yes or No?


If you chose your donation to be anonymous when you gave it, the University will honor that. The SETI@home web site anonymity settings only control whether you have a green star or not.

1176) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Why I cannot Donate - Closed (Message 499228)
Posted 7 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Whoa.... Been reading the thread. I wasn't aware that Seti was in such dire straits. I guess I assumed that most of Seti was backed by Universities and grants.

First we need to make the distinction between SETI@home and SETI. SETI is not an organization, SETI is a field of study. There is no centralized organization running SETI efforts. You may have heard of the SETI Institute. They are not SETI. In fact, most of the people working there have never done any SETI related work.

SETI@home is one SETI project run by the UC Berkeley SETI group. In terms of scientific staff, the Berkeley SETI group is me and Dan Werthimer. Matt Lebofsky and Jeff Cobb form the remainder of the staff. David Anderson is running the BOINC program and advises SETI@home. We have a systems adminsitrator that that is leaving on tuesday because (even if we had ample money) the pay rates for systems administrators at the University don't come close to matching private industry. And we aren't allowed to pay more than the University will let us. (Actually is the state that prevents us from giving raises. Even though we aren't funded through taxes, the University considers us to be part of the overall budget)


That's it, really. 5 people. Less than 3 FTEs.

SETI@home is entirely funded by donations. Most of these donations come from people who also run SETI@home. Universities don't really "back" anybody. Faculty at Univerisities and expected to bring in their own funding. If Dan and I don't bring in money, we don't get paid, but we still keep our jobs (without pay). Matt and Jeff get a pink slip. In exchange for a cut of that funding, the universities provide offices and keep the lights on.

The NSF and NASA currently do not fund any SETI observing programs. At least none that I am aware of. Nor does any other government agency. We submit grant applications to the NSF Galactic Astronomy program, but we are unlikely to get funding. The sorry truth is that the $500,000 per year needed to keep SETI@home running is very large fraction the entire annual NSF Galactic Astronomy budget. The proposals are reviewed by other Astronomers, none of whom work on SETI. They naturally would prefer that the funding remain in the areas of astronomy in which they work. These are also predominantly astronomers who are Professors who get paid by the University for "teaching" in during the school year. (Even though the bulk of astronomy professors rarely teach). Therefore they frown upon paying "senior personnel" with the money they control. And because of earmarks that happened last year, the NSF Astronomy budget is getting squeezed.

Previously SETI@home was funded by corporate donations and matching funds a state program run by the UC Office of the President. SETI@home does not currently have any corporate donors that provide financial donations. Therefore we are entirely dependent on donation which predominantly come from people who run SETI@home.

Regarding to potential of finding wealthy sponsors. We, unfortunately, are forbidden from contacting most wealthy individuals directly unless we have a current relationship with them (i.e. they run SETI@home) or if they contact us. This policy is set by the U.C. Office of the President because the U.C. President prefers to direct such funding toward projects he wants funded. (i.e. a new business school, a new building for biological sciences, whatever else the president wants as his legacy). Funding SETI@home won't get the U.C. President a statue on Sproul plaza. Many wealthy donors to the University also want a lasting (concrete) legacy. Funding projects rather than buildings doesn't really cause letters to appear in granite cornerstones.

I was under the assumption that it was managed by people skilled in the area of management.


Dan and I have many, many years of experience in project management. The other half of my time, I'm an ultraviolet astronomer that manages the development of instruments for space missions. Being a skilled project manager doesn't help when you can't afford to pay people. You can't hire people until you have enough money to pay then. The University is pretty strict about that.


Why donate to a project when the core business or mission isn't being looked after. On the other hand, there is a need to introduce something new to entice more funding which in turn will provide the needs to return to the original mission.
Am I seeing this correctly so far in basic terms?


I think you are seeing it pretty well. Unfortunately with a staff of 3 FTEs we end up chasing fires a lot of the time rather than doing new things, and without money we can't hire more staff. Server outages are bad press, so keeping them running is high on the priority list (and is certainly part of the core mission). We will have some new things to announce this year, but how many and when is a question I can't yet answer.
--
Eric
1177) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Is is possible to have the seti folks trace the IP address of one of my machines? (Message 498946)
Posted 7 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Wife's laptop was stolen and It sent results yesterday. If I can find out what IP address it used, the cops might be able to retireve it


Wow, it sounds like you guys did this without me. It's not the first time that SETI@home was used to track a stolen laptop. If you have the aprroximate time of the last contact (or if you give me the host ID number), I can look in the logs to see if there is any more information. But beyond the IP address, which you already have, there's probably not much in there.

Eric
1178) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Last Person to Post Wins No: 15 - CLOSED! CLOSED! (Message 498196)
Posted 6 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And he takes the lead....

Where did he take it?

the city of victory ass...

That place is a continual party.

Except for those on clean-up detail.

Things are tough for those on the bottom.

ALERT! ::double meaning detected::

Call the Mod Squad!

I crashed Pirates.

Oops...You Did It Again!

That's what she said.
1179) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Star Trek One Liners (Message 498176)
Posted 6 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This isn't a one liner, but here goes.

U.S.S. FARRAGUT SURVEY REPORT: PLANET NEURAL. (Cpt. Garrovick, commanding) Landing party beamed down in native dress. Because the native hill people were quite passive, I orderd Lt. Kirk to make contact. Before their leader Tyree would agree to speak with him, Lt. Kirk needed prove his manhood using the tribal manhood tests: drink a bottle of the local distilled spirits, make love to a Kanutu medicine woman, and wrestle a mugatu. Eager to get the test underway Lt. Kirk rapidly drank a bottle of "mako root fire water" and wandered off into the forest to find a mugatu. Fourty five minutes later Kirk returned looking drunk and somewhat bruised. When offered assistance he refused and said "Now where's this medicine woman I have to wrestle."

1180) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Last Person to Post Wins No: 15 - CLOSED! CLOSED! (Message 498168)
Posted 6 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
And he takes the lead....
1181) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I donated to this wonderfull project but i cannot see a green star? (Message 498163)
Posted 6 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Kirsten and MAC,

I sent email to the email address you use for your SETI@home accounts. Hopefully these are still active accounts. I hope we can get this straightened out.

Eric
1182) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Last Person to Post Wins No: 15 - CLOSED! CLOSED! (Message 498145)
Posted 6 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Threatening to take your ball and go home?


No. I'm threatening to cheat!

1183) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Last Person to Post Wins No: 15 - CLOSED! CLOSED! (Message 498141)
Posted 6 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Do I win if I lock the thread? :)
1184) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beethoven's X (Message 497523)
Posted 4 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Just a quick response by me for Bodley:

I dont like all the mods here. But i accept them as a part of Seti. We need them.
So, stay at Seti and happy crunching.


I should also point out that the recent changes to the moderation code make it far far more difficult for a moderator to abuse their power. Notice of every moderation is mailed to every moderator. The name and userid of the moderator are in that email (and in the email to the user being moderated).

Should any moderator start making unwarranted deletions, the rest of the moderators will catch on very quickly. Essentially, moderators don't have as much power as they did on Dec 31.

Eric
1185) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did you get one of these yet? (Message 497440)
Posted 4 Jan 2007 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I have just sent another $500 donation via Amex ... recorded on my latest statement as having been received on 19th December ...
and guess what ... NO recognition ... despite my writing and asking ...
Guess again what?
That is the last one they get until they DO recognise my donations


Hey Bodley,

I've been going through the donors mail and I don't see your request. Write directly to me... korpela at ssl dot berkeley dot edu with your request.

Is this an automated donation or was it done through the web interface?

Eric
1186) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Question... (Message 494169)
Posted 31 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm not going to deal with any of this until next year. I recommend that everyone take a breather. Eat, drink and be merry until then.

Eric

1187) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU crunching (Message 493127)
Posted 29 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I have Club 3D Radeon X800 XL 512MB PCI-Express-card. Is this OK?

How many bits does my 3D-card use for crunching? They say that only the new 3D-cards have enough bits to calculate accurately. Is my card modern enough?


My estimate is that SETI@home needs about 18 bits of mantissa in its floating point numbers, so any card that supports 32 bit floats (which yours does) should be sufficient. PCI-Express is also good sincce it has symmetric high bandwidth to main memory.

Eric
1188) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Why I cannot Donate - Closed (Message 493116)
Posted 29 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Again, IMO, I believe there shouldn't be a minimum value for a donation.


The cut University takes should be a value relative to the total donated value, say 10%, is that right? If that's the case, the minimum amount still can't be explained. Now, if University takes an absolut cut of the donations, it's a complete other story :)


The problem isn't the University, it's the credit card companies. The credit card companies charge a transaction fee that is usually a flat fee + 2%. That comes out of the University's 10%. So below some limit, it costs the university more to process the transaction (credit card fee + accounting + acknowledgement letter) than the donation itself was.

I don't know if that explains the level at which the university sets its minimum. But then again, as far as I know the minimum is not enforced, other than you won't get your star for donations of less than $10. But SETI@home will probably still get 90% of the donation regardless of the amount. Of course if enough small donations come in that the University starts losing money, they will probably start charging us 10% plus transaction fees.

Eric
1189) Message boards : Number crunching : What happened to my little green icon? (Message 492282)
Posted 28 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well thats the weird thing... #10 on the team, (John L. Matthiesen) has a green star in the team stats and on his account page. Kirsten on the other hand has one in the forums but not on her account page or the team page. At first I thought it might be some server-side caching going on but all the caches should have expired by now and been regenerated with new data so... I got nothin'


That is weird. Stars should show up everywhere at the same time with minor differences due to caching. I'll look into it.

Eric
1190) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Why I cannot Donate - Closed (Message 486994)
Posted 21 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

The day SETI@HOME starts providing regular updates on the analysis of candidate signals (every 6 months or annually perhaps)and potential WOW's etc etc is the day i will start donating some hard earned cash.


To some extent, it's a classic catch-22. Progress on candidate analysis has been slow because Jeff (the person writing the candidate analysis software) has been spending much of the last year trying to get us a new ISP (which would save us several kilobucks a month). But that required that we get a router at the PAIX (Palo Alto Internet eXchange), one on campus, one here, an upgrade of the campus-SSL link to dual gigabit fibers, an IP address block from ARIN, various memoranda of understanding between us and campus, contracts with the ISP with modifications from campus, etc. It's taken 14 months and we're not hooked up to the new ISP yet. It would have been nice to hire someone to do this, so Jeff could work on science, but how could we afford to do that?

I can't work on science on the website because I'm trying to get the multibeam effort up and running and trying to get astropulse back on track. Matt's working full time keeping us up and running. Dan is busy on hardware efforts and wouldn't know how to edit a web site anyway.

I'd like to promise that donating would allow us to hire someone to do enough of the rest of this stuff. But chances are we won't take in enough to do so. But not taking in enough money means we all go down to part time work which means even more delays.

In other words, if we had enough money to hire enough people to do everything we want to do and everything everyone wants us to do, we wouldn't need to ask for donations.

Eric
1191) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU crunching (Message 485600)
Posted 19 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
GPU crunching might only be practical on PCI Express based cards because AGP has low GPU to main memory bandwidth.

Eric


quite interesting to say the least....I have two questions:

1) With the possibilities of dual cards in a system can/will that cause issues?

2) When/if GPU crunching is complete will there be a version for "older" cards (i.e. 7600, 7800, 7900)????

-citroja

1192) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I donated to this wonderfull project but i cannot see a green star? (Message 482383)
Posted 15 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Matt fixed it, along with 10 other accounts that had the same problem.

Thanks for supporting SETI@home.

Eric
1193) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I donated to this wonderfull project but i cannot see a green star? (Message 482316)
Posted 14 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The data came in and your email is correct in the data, but for some reason it didn't get processed by the star giving script. It'll take some debugging... I hope it's not a systematic problem with the script.

Eric
1194) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I donated to this wonderfull project but i cannot see a green star? (Message 482297)
Posted 14 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I donated to this wonderful project but i cannot see a green star?
It is not that i insist on this funny green star, but to me it would be proof of a successful received donation.
I have donated about six days ago, should i be concerned or should i wait a few more days?


It should have come in by now. I'll see if it's in our records. Often, it means that there was a typo in the email address (Hitting , instead of . is common).
1195) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Interesting thought on life in the universe... (Message 482294)
Posted 14 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
My Drake equation (slightly modified) is here.

The short answer is who the %$#&*^ knows. The long answer is that there might be as many as 750,000 other civilizations in our galaxy. Or we might need to search 2 million galaxies to find one other civilization.

Eric
1196) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Passive Error messages (Message 482135)
Posted 14 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I got the error three times:
Caption: Microsoft Visual C++ runtime Library
Body: Runtime Error!
Program: ...athome.berkeley.edu\\setiathome_5.15_windows_intelx86.exe


Hi Charlie,

Could you unhide your computers so I can see the results where this error occured?

Thanks,

Eric
1197) Message boards : Number crunching : Solved: Which Optimized Client? (Message 472700)
Posted 4 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Great news that the multi-beam should be arriving at BETA soon - is that soon in human terms, or in astronomical terms ;-)


I'm hoping human terms.... It's no Astropulse. ;) Speaking of which, both astropulse and its splitter compile again. But seeing that Astropulse is the new Duke Nukem Forever, I won't promise a delivery date.



1198) Message boards : Number crunching : Solved: Which Optimized Client? (Message 472591)
Posted 4 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

That said, while the subject has come up on the Beta message boards, I’ve never seen project staff express an opinion; I presume that if Eric K., for example, objected, he’d have said something. So if the S@h developers don’t mind, I guess we shouldn’t …


Actually, since we have pretty good version tracking the presence of optimized applications in beta isn't too big an issue. In some sense it help to test the server side components to make sure they are compatible with a wide variety of application code. For example the multi-beam splitter should go into beta pretty soon, and shouldn't break any existing applications (I hope).

Eric
1199) Questions and Answers : Windows : Q&A regarding cooling (Message 469978)
Posted 1 Dec 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

When I showed up about a month ago they claimed about 800,000+ users in the forum here.

Upon doublechecking it at the BOINC site (and in the Wikipedia BOINC article).. we find the figure is actually about 475,000 "active hosts" at that time... of those about 70-80% had not communicated with the server in over 30 days.. so we are seeing a figure that includes downloaded but discarded installations.


When's the last time you looked at the Wikipedia entry? That portion was inaccurate and was corrected in October. Apparently the person who wrote it didn't understand that it was 70% of total hosts that hadn't talked with the server in 30 days, not 70% of the active hosts. One of the hazards of Wikipedia is that you cannot assume that it is completely accurate without further research.


So.... rather than the 800,000+ BOINCS claimed "out loud" in this forum... it was about 1/8 of that figure...about 100,000


Wrong as well.


It is obvious and thoroughly documented that the publiclly-hyped figures are "cooked" in a HUGE way.

When this same sort of method is used to try to justify government grants... it is time for investigations for criminal fraud.


Accusing someone of a crime without evidence (even when relying on the statements of another) is unwise. It is also libel. Feel free to retract your statement. Unless, of course, you have a copy of one of the proposals and can show that there are actionable statements in it.

1200) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Hello from Arecibo! (Message 468986)
Posted 30 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I sent an email to the admins. I have no idea if it will help or not.


Just got it, so he's probably at the telescope. I'll see what I can do. Damn, I wish one of us were there. We could probably have gotten him up to the carriage house.

1201) Message boards : Number crunching : Play Station 3 used to crunch numbers, more info (Message 467556)
Posted 28 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
From my understanding of cell architecture, the best method for setiathome would be to have a single WU working on the whole machine. Each cell core has 256K of direct access memory which is enough to do an FFT, so when doing FFTs you would calculate 7 FFTs simultaneously on the cells.

Similarlt for Gaussian fitting and pulse finding, you would do seven power over time arrays simultaneously. Maybe 8 if you try to use the altivec unit simultaneously.

It would be an interesting exercise.

Eric
1202) Message boards : Number crunching : Donations to SETI@home (Message 467547)
Posted 28 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I've just heard recent news that Arecibo is set to have its funding and if no alternate funding is found then it will be shut down in 2012.


I know we haven't put up an official statement regarding the closure. That's because we haven't decided exactly what to do about it yet. It makes sense to wait until the new congress starts its session next year before contacting our legislators. We will probably be asking those of you who reside in the U.S. to do the same, but we should come up with a consistent request that doesn't solve this funding crisis by creating another one elsewhere.

A significant portion of the blame for this goes to earmarks for other observatories. Funds were diverted to states with powerful senators. Puerto Rico doesn't have (voting) representation in congress, so it was the most likely place to pull the money from. We shouldn't try to solve it with earmarks, since earmarks are the problem.
1203) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beethoven MIA- CLOSED (Message 460348)
Posted 17 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Frankly, Beethoven the ban he's getting. I gave him an experimental 48 hour suspension. I let him know why he was banned.

When he gets back, it will be up to him to decide whether he wants the full two weeks. There will be no credit for time served.

Like it or not there are standards for behavior.
1204) Message boards : Politics : Automods: an experiment... (Message 459242)
Posted 16 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
BTW, new mods aren't on the mod mailing list unless they ask me to put them there. Mods can mail me at < my last name > @ < ssl dot berkeley dot edu > if they want to get the list.

Eric
1205) Message boards : Politics : Automods: an experiment... (Message 459237)
Posted 16 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

How come you do this toward the weekend instead of on a Monday?
Maybe so you can run for cover over the weekend? :-)


It's getting to be winter. The flames will keep me toasty warm.

As I said it's an experiment. No guarantees of success.

Eric
1206) Message boards : Politics : Automods: an experiment... (Message 459223)
Posted 16 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

[Sherlock Holmes]
When 1 mod was on the list then I conclude the others didn't make it :o)
[/Sherlock Holmes]


Yep, by the criteria the DB uses we only had one qualified moderator. And it wasn't me.

Eric
1207) Message boards : Politics : Automods: an experiment... (Message 459212)
Posted 16 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Can I suggest Misfit, CR, Tom Koenig, Beethoven, Champ, and, of course, myself?


The database decides based upon a method that I can't disclose for fear people might try to increase their rank through nefarious means... It has chosen at least one person from the list above. Maybe more. All I saw was a list of 20 userids (21 actually since one of the existing mods was already on the list.)

Eric
1208) Message boards : Politics : Automods: an experiment... (Message 459205)
Posted 16 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I'm setting up an experiment that will automatically assign some new moderators based upon a few criteria that have been chosen to (I hope) give an indication of a persons commitment to the project.

I'm going to start out with 20 new mods. We'll see how it goes.

Eric
1209) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Global Warming! - CLOSED (Message 459173)
Posted 16 Nov 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Japans huge 16 inch Tsunami


It may have been 16 inches when it left Japan, but it was 6 feet when it hit Crescent City, CA. No deaths or injuries reported as yet.

1210) Questions and Answers : Windows : Show graphics not working (Message 440595)
Posted 20 Oct 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


Hi again aaeron,

Tried it on my home machine. I downloaded the current driver (91.47) and installed it. Graphics work the same as they did before.

Have you changed any of your 3D settings in the nVidia control panel? I tried a lot of combinations but wasn't able to get any of them to fail.

Eric

Hi Guys. I am unable to access the graphics function as well. I also have nVidia card same as Ben. I am running the most recent DirectX. I am not able to run Google Earth in OpenGL, only DirectX. I am not able to use the work around that is offered, either. BOINC does not show in the services list. Have you received any fixes. I really miss the cool gaphics that came with Seti.

1211) Questions and Answers : Windows : unrecoverable error (- exit code -4 (0xffffffffc)) (Message 440284)
Posted 20 Oct 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Ruben,

Now that I can see you computer I think the problem is that SETI@home uses enough memory that your paging file tries to fill the disk. Chances are that this is a disk space issue.

Eric


I changed it, but it doesn't show any new information. I already gave this info.

1212) Questions and Answers : Windows : Show graphics not working (Message 440270)
Posted 20 Oct 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I'm running a 6800GT on my home machine. I'll upgrade the drivers tomorrow and see if that causes the same problem on my machine.

Eric


Hi Guys. I am unable to access the graphics function as well. I also have nVidia card same as Ben. I am running the most recent DirectX. I am not able to run Google Earth in OpenGL, only DirectX. I am not able to use the work around that is offered, either. BOINC does not show in the services list. Have you received any fixes. I really miss the cool gaphics that came with Seti.

1213) Questions and Answers : Windows : unrecoverable error (- exit code -4 (0xffffffffc)) (Message 439240)
Posted 18 Oct 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

What is this ? What happens if i reset the project, do i loose credits and rank?


Resetting the project will cause you to loose any work currently on your computer, but your credits and rank will not change.


PS How is it possible that you are a member since 13 dec 1901???


Unfortunately, that's the earliest date the BOINC website will display. My original SETI@home account was created November 24, 4714 BC.

Eric
1214) Questions and Answers : Windows : unrecoverable error (- exit code -4 (0xffffffffc)) (Message 438666)
Posted 17 Oct 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Ruben,

I'll take a look. Can you unhide your computers so I can see the info about their type and the OS. An exit code of -4 usually means a memory allocation failed, but there should be a message about the failure in the messages. It's possible that the error is coming from an exit() inside one of the libraries.

Eric

Lately i get a lot of unrecoverable error's ( - exit code -4).
What does this code 4 mean? It happens just before finishing a WU.
here a copy of my messages:

16-10-06 10:36:08||request_reschedule_cpus: Resuming activities
16-10-06 10:36:08|SETI@home|Resuming result 09my03aa.866.9600.884652.3.79_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 515
16-10-06 10:36:16|SETI@home|Unrecoverable error for result 09my03aa.866.9600.884652.3.79_1 ( - exit code -4 (0xfffffffc))
16-10-06 10:36:16||request_reschedule_cpus: process exited
16-10-06 10:36:16|SETI@home|Computation for result 09my03aa.866.9600.884652.3.79_1 finished
16-10-06 10:36:21|SETI@home|Started upload of 09my03aa.866.9600.884652.3.79_1_0

I Also get a error 403, and seti fails to upload, here is the message:
15-10-06 15:12:36|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 20my03aa.16854.33536.115922.3.216_3_0: error 403

What can i do to fix this? Upgrade ? GRTZ Ruben

1215) Questions and Answers : Windows : computation error (Message 426687)
Posted 26 Sep 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

SETI@home error -12 Unknown error
FPU failure in pulse_find
File: ../pulsefind.cpp
Line: 313


This problem is usually caused by an overheating CPU. It is possible your CPU heatsink fan has failed or that there is dust clogging the airflow path.

It's also possible that (if your motherboard supports adjustable CPU voltage) your CPU volatage is too high or too low.

Does this error still occur if you lower your "At most use XX% of CPU time" general preference to 75%? If that clears it up, it's probably overheating.

1216) Questions and Answers : Windows : Zone Alarm and BOINC/Seti testing (Message 416318)
Posted 7 Sep 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


- Did you allow Boinc.exe to be server? No.



I think you might need to allow Boinc.exe to be a server in the trusted zone.

Eric

1217) Questions and Answers : Windows : BOINC won't connect to server (Message 416311)
Posted 7 Sep 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I use McAfee Virusscan build 10.0.27 and McAfee personal firewall plus build 7.1.113. Internet apps settings for all Boinc's set at Allow Full Access

Ok, on the unhide. Done.



Hi dad,

I have a couple guesses.

My first guess is the personal firewall.

I don't know much about McAfee personal firewall. Do you have it set up to warn you when private information is sent (i.e. SSN or credit card numbers)? Some firewalls only require a match of 4 digits before they will start sending "****" instead of numbers. If warnings aren't turned on, it might do this silently. Since there are so many numbers in a setiathome work unit or result, they can almost always match any series of four digits. Check that your firewall has full perssions set for setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu, setiathome.berkeley.edu, setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu, setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu, boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu, and setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu.

There could also be some other way the firewall or your ISP's proxy server is modifying the work unit. Point your web browser at:
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/62/06my06aa.4417.20977.411056.3.93
and look at the page that comes up. (It should begin with <workunit> and end with </workunit>). Look for anything that seems odd or garbled (although I can't tell in advance what that might be).

Eric
1218) Questions and Answers : Windows : attaching project error:shared memory (Message 407381)
Posted 26 Aug 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm going to check the logs for that time. Which time zone are you in? (assuming your computer clock is set properly).

Are you using a proxy or personal firewall of any kind?

Eric
1219) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Seti@home in danger (Message 401226)
Posted 19 Aug 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I have a small website and I earn on average $0.02 CAD per day on 22 impressions. This works out to be $0.000909 per impression. With the number of users viewing SETI web pages its sure to generate some substantial funds.

More info here:
Google Ad-Sense



We have thought about this a lot. The big problem is that it would probably cost us our non-profit status. We would need Google to make a no-strings-attached donation, then out of the goodness of our heart put up the ads. At any rate, the cost in legal and accounting advice plus taxes might cost us more than it brings in....

If only such things were that simple. :(
1220) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Database Corruption ??? (Message 401222)
Posted 19 Aug 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Just an update. Our DBA Bob has been working on it and he's gotten the people who weren't somehow put in another team back into the team... Still needs to work on getting the name and founder changed.

But we're getting there.

Eric
1221) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Database Corruption ??? (Message 400237)
Posted 17 Aug 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I'm looking into it. So far I don't see obvious corruption, but that doesn't mean it was a purposeful act of hijack.

Please make a copy of the graphs you pointed to, and if you have any old lists of members, let me know.

Eric
1222) Message boards : Number crunching : Application development status report.... (Message 375265)
Posted 23 Jul 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

could you give us some hints how the ALFA data differ from the current data, and how this effects the analysis.


Hi Hans,

Sorry for the late reply. You may have seen in another thread that I'm out of town. I've got time to reply today because my wife is having a bout of food poisoning.

The main issues that will be resolved in the first release are identifying which of the 14 data streams (7 beams, 2 polarizations each) the data comes from. There are also some issues with making sure that the differences in beam size are handled properly. There are also a significant number of changes to the splitter required to make work units from the new data, since the tape format is very different, and the algorithm used to calculate coordinates has some additional steps.

The second multi-beam release will need to be able to handle cases where the receiver steps in frequency in the middle of the work unit. (The new data recorder has the ability to cover a wider frequency band by chaning the recorder central frequency.)

Eric
1223) Message boards : Number crunching : Donations to the Seti project (Pappa) (Message 373723)
Posted 22 Jul 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Maybe that's the reason we haven't been receiving any data from Alfa yet - insufficient donations. Maybe SetiAdmin could divert some of those receipts to the developers of faster crunchers after it reviews those crunchers' results and considering for how much time they were used before being preeempted by program improvements (like SetiEnhanced, Alfa and eight-bit if and when it arrives).


I'm afraid I'm the bottleneck again. (Is there a BOINC project working on cloning technology?) The new application will handle certain types of ALFA workunits in addition to the current work units. There's still some work going on with problems with data recorder with certain types of tapes before we can go to distribution. We need to make sure we spend your donations on high quality tapes (so they work properly). Unfortunately, it's not immediately obvious which brands fit the bill. It may even be a problem with certain tape lots.

On a related note (i.e. the bottleneck), greetings from Nashville, Athens of the south, Music City USA. I'll leave you to speculate on why I am here. Was I discovered by record producers singing in a Berkeley honky-tonk? Did I get jealous of Matt's life on the road, sleeping in an SUV next to a guitar?

On a positive note, Josh has fixed some problems with AstroPulse under recent version of BOINC. Maybe we'll get AstroPulse out to beta shortly after 5.17...

1224) Message boards : Number crunching : Application development status report.... (Message 366699)
Posted 14 Jul 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Hey! What about the AMD machines also?! (Cue Intel vs AMD war -> another thread please...)


AMD machines, too. The more the merrier.

Eric
1225) Message boards : Number crunching : Application development status report.... (Message 365092)
Posted 13 Jul 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I know that I've been saying for too long that 5.17 is just around the corner. It is, but the corner just won't stand still.

I was about ready to release into beta when it became apparent that some of the changes necessary to support the multibeam ALFA receiver would be needed sooner rather than later. So the ability to handle data from the new recorder got added to my list.

On the plus side, if anyone wants to do for intel machines what Alex Kan did for Mac PowerPC, this gives you a bit more time to send me some code.

Just wanted to let you know that I hadn't forgotten you.
1226) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 358836)
Posted 6 Jul 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks for all your help. A special thanks to Pappa for compiling the stats into something usable. I've adjusted the credit multiplier to 3.81 (up 14% from the original 3.35) which should better match the other projects. Version 5.17 should be going out to beta today. (Yes, I know I've said that before. This time I mean it.)

I'm also in discussion with some of the other projects about using host CPID to find cross project hosts to use as comparison machines. We'll probably need to add some info to the host table or change the meaning of some fields, so it'll take a lot of discussion and negotiation to figure it out.

Eric

1227) Message boards : Number crunching : HOW-TO: make your own optimized Windows Seti@Home client! (Message 358828)
Posted 6 Jul 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi folks,

I think I found a little bug in the sourcecode. If you look at the procedure seti_analyze (in 'analyzeFunc.cpp'), after freeing allocated memory (e.g. ChirpFftPairs) the procedure 'checkpoint()' is called at the very end. Within checkpoint() some of the arrays just freed are referenced. In the worst case this could cost you a completely calculated and correct work unit, as you get aa "Access Violation (0xc0000005)" in stderr.txt. (This does not happen very often, but it can happen).


You should report this to the developers also. Eric Korpela for sure.



Consider it reported. Fix will be checked in today. Thanks,

Eric
1228) Message boards : Number crunching : Disappearing credits! (Message 349447)
Posted 26 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The disk containing the XML files filled up over the weekend. New stats should be showing up tonight.

Eric
1229) Message boards : Number crunching : Why are we crubching data from 1999 still? (Message 349446)
Posted 26 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We should be seeing a trickle of 2006 data soon. We're working on the splitter and application for the new data recorder, but can't estimate ETA as yet.

Eric
1230) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any sites providing optimized clients? -- PART II (Message 349442)
Posted 26 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Just a note to optimizers. 5.17 isn't ready for prime time (or even beta) yet. I've got some code issues to deal with in the short term. In particular the x86_64 chirp routine is untested.

On the bright side, that means people who want to send in optimized code for specific processors have time to do so.

Eric
1231) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 344692)
Posted 21 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Is anyone else seeing this error? It likely means there's a proxy authentication problem. Check that your username and password are correct in your proxy settings.


Since 4 weeks I got an error message from the boinc manager which will load new libarys. The message is as follows:

Started downloading of libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll
Temporaily failed downloaf of libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll: error 407

What does this mean? I Tried out everything but the system will not start to work and this on different computers in different locations.

1232) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 342844)
Posted 20 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

If you need a comparison of Enhanced to the new S5 work at Einstein:



Thanks,

I was wondering what was going to happen there.

Eric
1233) Message boards : Number crunching : New Optimized Apps Links -- READ ONLY THREAD (Message 336288)
Posted 14 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I've made it sticky. Mods, please only allow posts of links to optimized app download sites in this thread.
The SETI@home team cannot verify the safety of applications downloaded from other sites.
Please be sure you trust the owner of the site and run a virus scan on any downloaded software.

1234) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 336280)
Posted 14 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I only have this one machine running ATM, it's the same for all projects.
According to BOINCstats my host CPID is 217c23c6867fe4ee49f1ff4c6fd34dc4



Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an way to query stats through the web sites based upon the host CPID. :(

I may have to press one of the PHP hackers to build such a thing.

Eric
1235) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 336279)
Posted 14 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Eric, please do not forget to check with the rest of the team about a way to ensure better moderation. I still think a complete sweep of all moderators and a way of voting on their effectiveness to put/keep them in office is the way to go.


We will continue to discuss this at our meetings. Now that Matt's back, he will experience how things have evolved since he left. I'm sure our next weekly meeting will explore these issues.

On happier news, thanks in part to Alex Kan giving me a kick in a part of the anatomy that I can't mention in the forums, I've been able to make life easier for people trying to optimize the application. (and made it easier for me to get optimizations back into the main sorce tree.)

If my test runs tonight check out, I'll be checking some stuff in tomorrow and releasing 5.17 to beta. Then I'll send a message with the details of the new features to the boinc_opt mailing list. It's nice to be getting back to (non Kitt Peak) work.

Eric
1236) Message boards : Number crunching : for those that are currently running optimized please remove (Message 333593)
Posted 11 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If the copyright holder couldn't prove a substantial loss on his part, or a substantial gain on the part of the violator to which the copyright holder shoule be entitled, there's actually little chance that the case would ever see the inside of a courtroom - simply because there's not enough potential monetary value involved to make it worth a lawyer's time.


The UC lawyers don't work on commission, and they LIKE to make case law. They also enjoy international travel. If you are reading this, you are probably sitting in a country that is a signatory of the Berne convention. They can also cause a lot of pain without even entering a courtroom. I've seen them in action.

As for monetary damages, you can also call the UC technology transfer office and ask how much it would cost to buy a copy of the SETI@home under another license (with non-UCB contributions and the FFTW hooks removed, of course). Then ask them how much a license that allows them to distribute modified closed source binaries based upon SETI@home. After a few weeks of negotiation, they might give you a number. A larger number than you might expect. Just because something is free doesn't mean it has no monetary value.

I caution anyone out there against underestimating the willingness or ability of the UC Regents to protect their copyrights. The license is easy enough to follow and much more permissive than the default provisions of copyright law. I don't understand why some people want to claim more rights to the code than they have been given.

1237) Message boards : Number crunching : Mac Seti Enhanced Optimized (Message 333557)
Posted 11 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Alex,

Let me know when you've got your v5 code tarball on your web site. I'd like to see what you've done to see if any of it can be folded back into the main client...

Eric
1238) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 333551)
Posted 11 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

hmmmm....still getting errors with the tarball from your site, the g++ no input files is gone, but it was replaced with :

make[2]: *** [seti_boinc-main.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/boog/build_boinc/seti_boinc/client'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/boog/build_boinc/seti_boinc'
make: *** [all] Error 2

the other one is still the same:


I'm hoping the s_util.h fix got rid of this one...

Don't worry too much abouyt the fakedata errors, unless you need to build fake workunits for testing purposes. For people who want to use SETI@home for their own data analysis (attention SETILeague), fakedata.cpp might be of interest. Then again, the splitter might be useful as well for such things.

Eric



make[2]: *** [fakedata-xml_util.o] Error 1

1239) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 333547)
Posted 11 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've checked in a fix to the s_util.h problem, updated boinc and am rebuilding the tar files in the build directory. I haven't had the chance to try a linux build today, though.

Eric
1240) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 332714)
Posted 10 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Could you tell us what linux distribution you use to compile the seti app?


Centos-4.3, Fedora Core-3, and Fedora Core-4. (All Red Hat derivatives to the dismay of many)

Perhaps it would help if you posted a tarball of your complete seti folder, containing a working set of configuration files.
(I don't know if this is possible, though...)

I've linked my entire build tree (except for windows since it's on a different machine) into my web directory, that way you can see how it is at any time....
I've also tarred up all the linux directories.

Be warned that these are my active development direcories so I can't guarantee what's there will compile at any given instant.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/~korpela/build/

Eric

Eric
1241) Message boards : Number crunching : Someone is owed an apology, and someone else should be making it. (Message 332702)
Posted 10 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
No worries, I also have it plaintext on my web page and any number of google searches will bring it up, not to mention that I used to be fairly active on Usenet.

I have 3 levels of spam filtration and only about 15/day get trapped by the third level and maybe 2 a week get all the way through. In contrast, yesterday, level 1 (an overly conservative labwide spamwall) caught 96. Level 2 (my challenge/response filter) caught 291 from unapproved addresses it had not encountered before. I no longer keep records on the number blocked from specific domains or previosly seen unapproved email addresses.

Given the a couple years ago I was getting thousands per day, these numbers aren't that bad.


I would have had the info not been on a public site. I know the argument can be made that I "contributed" to the problem, but the SSL site has been up long enough that any spambot has found that address LO0NG ago.

1242) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 332651)
Posted 10 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

This might be due to what software/libraries you are using on your linux machine. If you use _autosetup to build the configure script on your Mac, you can probably copy the configure file over to your linux system. That may solve the problem. If you are using a prebuilt configure script, you might just try running _autosetup on you linux machine.

Eric



I just can't get any of the nightly builds to compile on linux, even the same one that compiles just fine on my Mac.

I'm doing:

./configure --disable-server --disable-server

I also tried:

./configure --disable-server --disable-server --enable-static

then:

make

I end up with an error of:

if g++ --include ../config.h -DDYNAMIC_GRAPHICS=1 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DTEXT_UI -DNDEBUG -DCLIENT -I../db -I/home/boog/build_boinc/boinc/api -I/home/boog/build_boinc/boinc/lib -pthread -O2 -Wall -MT seti_boinc-main.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/seti_boinc-main.Tpo" -c -o seti_boinc-main.o ; then mv -f ".deps/seti_boinc-main.Tpo" ".deps/seti_boinc-main.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/seti_boinc-main.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
g++: no input files
make[2]: *** [seti_boinc-main.o] Error 1

if I do make -k:

make[2]: *** [fakedata-xml_util.o] Error 1
make[2]: Target `all' not remade because of errors.
with alot of scrolling "red" text


btw, I have all the libraries installed, and boinc built just fine, even did a "make install" of boinc just to make sure all the libraries were in the right place.

I'm stumped!

1243) Message boards : Number crunching : Very long Completion times (Message 332647)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks, that helps...

Eric
1244) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Enhanced Optimization (Message 332644)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

What I'm also surprised about that the developers at Berkeley is making this an issue.
They if anybody should be more concerned about the science and the speed of which WUs are returned instead of involving in petty things like forbidding optimized clients and debating credits.


Why why why why why do people keep ignoring what I say and repeating this stuff.

Since people seem to keep missing it, I've made a separate sticky thread with our position on optimized clients. We have never ever requested the removal of an optimized client. We did not request the Crunch3r stop distributing his optimized apps. Anyone who claims otherwise is misguided or trying to restart the flame wars.

1245) Message boards : Number crunching : Official SETI@home position on optimized clients and the GPL. (Message 332619)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This is mainly going to be a repeat of things that I have said in many threads. I'm posting this in a sticky thread because so many people have seemed to miss these things and the same questions get asked. No responses in this thread, please, either in support of, or against our position.

Once it became apparent the BOINC platform would stable enough and reliable enough to prevent most of the credit cheating mechanisms that were used in SETI@home classic, SETI@home went open source under the GPL. This change was made both to allow people looking at the source code to help us find bugs, and to allow people to develop optimized version including versions for specific processors. WE OFFICIALLY SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISTRIBUTION OF OPTIMIZED SETI@HOME APPLICATIONS, provided the license terms of the GPL are followed. We have never requested that an optimized client, distributed under the terms of the GPL, be removed from distribution. In fact, the GPL prohibits us from making such a request.

I was the predominant proponent of using the GPL as opposed to another open source license, primarily because I have in the past, had my code incorporated into proprietary, closed-source products. Use of the GPL prevents that. It also puts some requirements on us, and on anyone else that wishes to distribute SETI@home either in source or binary form. I won't go into the details of the license here. If you are interested, you have a copy in your BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/ directory named setiathome_5.15_COPYING. There are additional rights granted beyond the standard GPL listed in the file setiathome_5.15_COPYRIGHT. If you have further questions about the GPL or it's enforcement, you can look at the website of the Free Software Foundation or search Groklaw for more info. Please note that UC Berkeley has not transferred copyright to the Free Software Foundation, primarily because UC employs more "Intellectual Property" (a term I despise) lawyers than FSF ever will.

The broad outline is that if you wish to distribute SETI@home in binary format you must make source code available (with any modifications you have made) for a period of no less than 3 years after the date of last distribution. You must also distribute a copy of the GPL, the copyright and disclaimer of warranty and a notice of where the (modified) source code can be obtained. Failure to do so means that you have rejected the terms of the GPL, violated the SETI@home copyrights, and you have violated a contract with the people to whom you have distributed the program. They could potentially sue for any damages caused by the unavailability of the source code (other than those excluded by the disclaimer of warranty). These terms apply even if you are distributing a version given to you by someone else.

Once you have received a copy of a program licensed under the GPL, you have no legal obligation to cease using or to remove the program from your computer, even if the distributor request it. However, if you don't have the source code in machine readable form or guaranteed access to it for the next 3 years, you may not give anyone a copy of the program.

The primary reason I am posting this is that a distributor or optimized versions recently removed his applications from distribution and deleted the source code. This action did not alter any of his obligations under the license. He cannot legally prevent you from using the program. You can choose to comply with his request or not.

Since he distributed the program, he is obligated to (for the next 3 years) still comply with demands for the source code from anyone who downloaded the program from his web site. I doubt any lawyer would agree that those who downloaded it have any actionable claim of damages, so a lawsuit probably isn't going to happen. You should also be aware that unless you have the source code WITH his modification, you cannot distribute these modified version.

Some on the this site has claimed that the GPL places SETI@home into the public domain. It most certainly does not. The University of California holds the copyright to SETI@home and will protect them if necessary. The copyright of any modifications and only those modification belong to people that modify the code. The right to distribute SETI@home (modified or otherwise) is contingent on the distributor following the terms of the GPL. If the distributor refuses to do so, the standard provisions of copyright law still apply. Simply put, that means, follow the GPL or do not distribute.
1246) Message boards : Number crunching : Strike requests (Message 332566)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm back from the mountain and still a bit off my schedule, so I'll probably be scarce the next day or two. I don't know how shift workers do it... (Well, when I was younger I could go weeks on 2 hours a day sleep and days without any. Given your prior career, I'm fairly sure you're familiar with such things for entirely different reasons.)


Why go to the low end on credits and then incrementally raise them as needed to gain parity with other projects? Would it not have been less controversial to have initially stayed as it was and then incrementally reduce them little by little? You might wish to keep that in mind for future reference since it is human nature to abhor drastic change.


Well, given the result of the beta, I was fairly sure that I had chosen a number smack in the middle, and I did get fairly close. But the nature of the beast is such even if I had hit the magic value, people with fast machine would still have seen a significant drop in claimed credit even if their granted credit didn't change and I think that's what propted the initial reaction. I did underestimate how severe the response whould be.

In hindsight, it probably would have been better to guess a factor 50% high and then drop by 10% in sucessive releases. Either that or have the credit factor be part of the workunit header so it can be changed on the fly.

Eric
1247) Message boards : Number crunching : Very long Completion times (Message 331273)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

The granted credit is good for a change, but the core problem of oddball work units taking forever still exists. :-( yah... Booooooo!


Could you tell me what your "switch between applications" setting is? I assume you are set either to run continuously, or to suspend to memory?

Eric
1248) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 331266)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I should also point out to other optimizers that I am willing to merge code changes with the main SETI code and cwill even edit configure scripts. It might take weeks or months for me to find the time to do so, but I do try.
1249) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 331256)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Using the IPP library was in itself a great part of his speed optimization according to him and again I don't know how much work that entails. Does it directly substitute or are some changes required in the code?


The hooks for using IPP are in the code already (and were given to me by Tetsuji). All that is required to enable them is to run the configure script with appropriate flags (if using linux) or edit win-config.h to define the symbols "USE_IPP", and (as applicable) "USE_SSE3", "USE_SSE2," "USE_SSE," or "USE_MMX".

I don't have the intel compiler so I don't know which compiler flags to use to enable the various instruction sets.

If there were no code changes, it may be that simple.

Eric
1250) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 331060)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:


This charade has gone on long enough. Others have asked WinterKnight and mmciastro for apologies. No one seems to have asked *you*, Eric


Lots of people have asked. You don't seem to be keeping up. I have appologized to Crunch3r at least twice in these forums for calling him a liar. Click on my name and look at the messages I have posted.


As to why it isn't really in the interest of the project to offer optimized clients *itself*, I'm utterly stumped there. Can you elaborate please? Also, why was this allowed to go on on a public forum?


The project has never had a problem with optimized clients. We like optimized clients. We don't offer them directly because it would mean maintaining multiple code versions for single platforms. I've repeated this before and I'll repeat it again. No one at Berkeley had any problems with Crunch3r or his optimized applications before this flame war started. No one at Berkeley started this flame war. I found out about it because someone pointed me as an article apparently posted as a translation of a message sent by Crunch3r refering to me by using explitives.


Bad management, if you ask me - and bad management is usually followed by an apology and/or a head rolling. That it had to be Crunch3r's does not raise my opinion of the current project collaborators (pun also intended) altogether much.


Again, Crunch3r's actions were unilateral. We neither requested nor desired his departure. No one at Berkeley had any direct hand in his displeasure that I am aware of. Other than his single message to me getting caught in my spam filter, which he apparently took offense to, that is.


Eric, I'd really like to see some stats on donations for the month after this has happened compared to the month before. Same with active users, new users signing on and credit being generated. Anything, in short, that would point to a large-scale reduction in participation. My guess is that you'll see a considerable drop.


Such stats are available in the same places they always have been.


Please do reply, I'm asking this to get a reply, not to get a rise out of you.


The flame war is essentially over. People seem to be getting back to normal. A lot of people are going to see your message as an attempt to refan the flame. I choose to believe that you missed what was going on in other threads.

Eric
1251) Message boards : Number crunching : for those that are currently running optimized please remove (Message 331048)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

In my mind it is a waste of time and ressources, not to use Crunch3rs application. I thought Berkeley would be happy to have the work done in a shorter period.
I will ask Crunch3r if he wants his client to be removed. If so, I will of course remove it. I will do even better and disconnect from SETI completely.


Please note that SETI@home is not asking you to remove Crunch3r's application. Crunch3r is.

A lot of people seem to miss this point.

At some point the effect of changes to the official distributed clients (modified credit claims, changes to science code, bug fixes) may combine to make it impossible to use Crunch3r's versions. I hope someone else will be producing optimized applications by that time.

I should point out, however, that it is not legal to distribute his clients, since no source code can be made available.

Eric
1252) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 331043)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

What I find interesting is looking at the graphs in excel is my Amd 1900 is underclaiming by about 2 cr/h, the Sempron is right in the ballpark, while the P4 is overclaiming about 2 cr/h. Very odd. Anyone else seeing the same thing?


To some extent that is to be expected. One of the key parameters in determining the how much work can actually be done is the ratio of CPU speed to memory bandwidth. In general, CPU speeds have increased faster than memory bus speeds. The way this shows up is that machines with fast CPUs tend to overclaim with respect to the average machine using the old (time x benchmark) credit method. Machines with slow processors tend to underclaim for the same reason. It's a fairly general trend even in the old credit method (if multi-result validation is used) fast machines tended to claim more than they were granted and slow machines tended to claim less than they were granted.

For example, if I have a 2.5 GHz machine that uses memory that is only 3x as fast as the memory used in a 500 MHz machine, the benchmarks will say that the 2.5 GHz machine is more than 5X as fast, but the granted credit will probably say it's somewhere between 3 and 5x as fast (probably somewhere around 3.75X as fast).

It's been on my list to get memory benchmarks back into BOINC for this very reason.
1253) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 330684)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you've still got any of these, could you send me the workunit file and the contents of stderr? (email to my last name at ssl.berkeley.edu) Which core client version are you using?

Ok, here's a list of units (not on Eric's 'bad' list) which I found busily using cpu, but neither updating percentage complete nor updating the state.sah file for more than 24 hours.

Note these were scattered across a half-dozen servers, and other work units (on those running more than one unit) appeared to be proceeding normally.

28fe99aa.18483.22561.934666.3.112
03mr99ab.9678.28129.1047142.3.0
20mr99aa.15250.20145.984656.3.71
30au99ab.18587.29250.573572.3.172
24mr99ab.175.2848.697140.3.2
22mr99aa.23950.25105.54842.3.101
23mr99aa.23594.22768.565904.3.154
14ja99aa.26346.5648.947164.3.60

Is there anything else I should look at when I find more of them?
1254) Message boards : Number crunching : for those that are currently running optimized please remove (Message 330559)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I should throw my two cents in.... I'm hoping this won't cause more controversy... I'm speaking in legal terms here about the GPL. We've released SETI@home under the GPL and I couldn't retroactively change that if I wanted too, which I don't. We've willingly bound ourselves to those terms, and so has anyone who redistributes SETI@home.

I tend to agree that an end user who is not redistributing the application is under no obligation to delete it. Whether they wish to follow Crunch3r's request or not is up to them. The obligations of the GPL only apply that those who wish to distribute the program. However, if the source code is not available for a compiled binary that is licensed under the GPL no one can distribute it, not even the original author (if modifications to the code were made).

That said, people who have copies of the program need to realize that their rights are narrowly limited. They cannot redistribute the program at all.

Eric
1255) Message boards : Number crunching : Are there any site providing optimized clients? (Message 330510)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi All,

There appears to be some discussion of the GPL's compatibility with the intel compiler. My reading of the GPL indicates that system libraries (such as C/C++ runtime libraries) can be linked to GPL code without difficulty. Therefore, I can't see anything that would prevent the SETI@home code compiled with the Intel compiler and the binaries distributed so long as the SETI@home source (plus any modifications) is made available.

The SETI@home license terms have a special excemption for proprietary FFT libraries, so you can use the IPP FFT libraries and distribute the binary without providing source for the IPP FFT library. The exemption is for FFT libraries only, and if soure modifications are necessary to support the FFT library, these source modifications must be made available with the rest of the SETI@home source.

Eric

1256) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 330311)
Posted 7 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll check out whether they should be in the list or not. It could be that I missed a few...

Eric


Ok, here's a list of units (not on Eric's 'bad' list) which I found busily using cpu, but neither updating percentage complete nor updating the state.sah file for more than 24 hours.

Note these were scattered across a half-dozen servers, and other work units (on those running more than one unit) appeared to be proceeding normally.

28fe99aa.18483.22561.934666.3.112
03mr99ab.9678.28129.1047142.3.0
20mr99aa.15250.20145.984656.3.71
30au99ab.18587.29250.573572.3.172
24mr99ab.175.2848.697140.3.2
22mr99aa.23950.25105.54842.3.101
23mr99aa.23594.22768.565904.3.154
14ja99aa.26346.5648.947164.3.60

Is there anything else I should look at when I find more of them?

1257) Message boards : Number crunching : Strike requests (Message 330301)
Posted 7 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Well put, Daniel. Thanks you. I hope things will cool down now. This is the first thread I've read today, so I don't know the overall state of things as yet.

Eric

1258) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 329570)
Posted 7 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks for all these. It'll take me a while to enter them into a spreadsheet.

Keep em coming if it's not too much trouble.

Eric
1259) Message boards : Number crunching : @ Eric Korpela (Message 329569)
Posted 7 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yep, Kitt Peak National Observatory,

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Apache/1.3.26 Server at bordeaux.kpno.noao.edu Port 80


Ooops, that should be here.

Eric
1260) Message boards : Number crunching : @ Eric Korpela (Message 329393)
Posted 7 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yep, Kitt Peak National Observatory, If the skies were clear, we'd be using the 0.9m Mosaic Camera to image a previously unknown old supernova shell in light emitted from recombining ionized hydrogen.

Can't seem to get the atmosphere to cooperate. Power at the telescope is off at the moment due to lightning.

Eric
1261) Message boards : Number crunching : Strike requests (Message 329307)
Posted 7 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry for my late reply. The mountain has been in lightning shutdown, and we're about to get hit again.


1.) Crunch3r, who has been instrumental in developing optimized applications for Seti and Seti Enhanced, was accused of cheating by some of the forum members.


I don't know what we can do about this. We have no control of forum members aside from shutting down the forums entirely. If things don't settle down soon, we may be forced to do so.


and had also sent Eric Korpela an email with a list of C++ errors in the standard Seti Enhanced application, that were eliminated when he built version of the Enhanced application WITHOUT optimization.


Look at the message. There is no list of C++ error messages aside from the alloca() problem which is specific to the Intel compiler. He claims the C++ exceptions are eliminated without giving any clues to what caused the exceptions in the first place. He doesn't even mention which of the numerous types of exceptions (which are Windows exceptions, rather than C++ exceptions) this claims to fix Given that I have some understanding of what is causing some of the exceptions (and having recently solved some of them if I get the new client into beta.), I can tell you that using a different compiler is highly unlikely to solve any of them.

If Crunch3r claims otherwise then he should pick one exception type, show how to reproduce it with a stock client, and then show how it does not occur with his recompiled client.


Eric had denied receiving this email, and even went so far as to call Crunch3r a LIAR. Crunch3r sent this email to Eric TWICE, and has proof that Eric received the second email.


Yes, and Crunch3r and others have called me worse things than LIAR. I'm not sure what this "proof" is. I had not seen the message until I explicitly looked at my second level spam folder and subsequently let it through. That was well after Crunch3r "quit" the project.


Thus, Crunch3r has left the project, and is no longer working to develop Seti code any further. This alienation and vilification of this project's top contributors needs to stop.


And I think the alienation and vilification of the Project Scientist needs to stop. You think Crunch3r's departure is hurting the project? My departure would end it, not that I intend to leave. But I don't need to sit here and be attacked. I have certainly faced more attacks in the last few days than Crunch3r ever got.


We request that Eric issue this apology in a new "Sticky" thread, and that the thread be reserved for a dialog between Eric and Crunch3r to work out their differences.


Thank you for acknowledging that I have appologized. Like many involved in this flame war, I got angry at being attacked and lost my temper for a few minutes, and I am sorry. But I don't see any apologies from people directed toward me...

Until I get some indication from Crunch3r (his email address will now get through my spam filter. I've added it manually) that he has some regrets about how he has acted and some indication that he wishes to take part in discussion, a dialogue is not going to happen.

Please remember that Crunch3r is taking this action in part because he didn't receive an answer to one email that he had sent me. He did not attempt to contact me again to see if I had received it. Pardon me if I see that as an overreaction.

I also don't think I would see anything but personal attacks by others in such a forum. As part of my response "requests," I'd like to see the unwarrented attacks on my character by others in the forums stop. Negotiation is a two way street...

I think I am owed apologies from a large number of people who have posted in the forums. I don't expect to get them...


2.) The application errors in the code are causing countless hours of wasted CPU cycles. The application crashes out or gets -9 overflow errors MANY hours into workunit processing. This results in no credit being granted at ALL for such
workunits. Thus, we request an application that does not waste our CPU cycles by going into a seemingly endless loop.


That problem was a server side problem that resulted in invalid thresholds in the workunit header. It has been solved. Incidentally, like the other bugs recently fixed, Crunch3r's recompiled application would not have affected this one way or another.


3.) There have been many discussions on what is "Fair Credit" for the work we perform. Since credit IS important to a large number of participants, we request that this situation be investigated sooner, rather than later. Perhaps looking into a system that takes into consideration the TOTAL amount of work done, and not just the FPOPS.


Essentially all of the work done by SETI@home is the FPOPS, so it would be difficult to come up with a better means of measurement. As a result of recent measurements I've increased the credit by 5% in a version that will be going into beta this week. An increase by significantly more than that is unwarranted at this time.

There are some misconceptions that the benchmarks in the core client are an indication of the amount of real work that an application can do. There is also a misconception that the amount of work done must be exactly proportional to time. Some areas of the code will always do more work per CPU cycle than others. The benchmarks are essentially an upper limit to the amount of work that can be done. The original idea in BOINC that the benchmarks would measure the total work actually done was misguided, and I said so at the time that idea was being developed.

One of the main reasons people are unhappy with the new credit system is that the original SETI@home was so suboptimal that people were able to build optimized versions that had 8 times the performance. That meant people could get their machines to generate 8 times the credit per hour by using an optimized version. Now that the better optimized enhanced client has been released, a factor of 8 is no longer possible. That has made some people angry. There is no change to the credit system I can make that will appease them.


4.) Being as that "some" of the forum moderators are doing more to feed the flames rather than to help extinguish them, we request perhaps a complete sweep of the forum mods with all mods elected by forum members.


I will discuss this with the rest of the team when I get back to Berkeley. I did not choose the moderators, nor do I wish to take part in choosing moderators. But I think a voting scheme will likely lead to the same problems we already have, lots of four letter adjectives flying around saying why so and so shouldn't be a moderator. Maybe it's time to go to a zero tolerance moderation scheme where any attack by anyone on anyone will be immediately deleted. There seems to be a widely based "It's OK for me to attack you but you can't attack me" attitude. I've certainly seen it directed at me.

Apparently a lot of people feel they can use any four letter adjective to describe me but that any reciprocation on my part is out of bounds. I think we all need to tone it down. I hope we can refrain from swearing and name calling in the forums in the future.

1262) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 328637)
Posted 6 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I just deployed a new splitter that should verify the workunits to make sure they are intact before giving them to the BOINC servers. That should fix future error -6 problems once these are entirely out of the queues.
1263) Message boards : Number crunching : optimized Enhanced 5.12 app. (Message 328630)
Posted 6 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
@crunch3r

stderr.txt:
SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
NOTE: The number of results detected exceeds the storage space allocated.

Is this a problem? I'm seeing it alot.


It's not a problem if everyone else is getting the same results on the same workunit.

Eric
1264) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 328401)
Posted 6 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Clyde,


<message>
- exit code -1072365552 (0xc0150010)
</message>


That's a very unusual exception code. Were you running anything else that uses 3D graphics at the time?

1265) Message boards : Number crunching : FOR CRUNCH3R- WE ARE ON STRIKE!!! (Message 328212)
Posted 6 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

But the allegation of being a "bald-faced liar" did come from Berkeley. And I have yet to see any resolution on that either.


Yes, and the allegation that I'm an a****** that deliberately ignored a miracle client from Crunch3r came from directly Crunch3r, and I haven't seen any resolution to that.

OK, I'm sorry that I assumed that Crunch3r was lying when he said he sent the message. Now we'll see if Crunch3r will appologize for accusations that were directed against me.

I'm ready to be surprised...
1266) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 328082)
Posted 6 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I'm not sure how many more I have. Without trying them, is there anything one can do to get rid of them?


If the beginnings of their names appear in this list then you should probably delete or abort them.

Eric
1267) Message boards : Number crunching : FOR CRUNCH3R- WE ARE ON STRIKE!!! (Message 328059)
Posted 6 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I will take a whack at this Eric...if Berkeley would come up with a rule that only "approved" clients are allowed to be used it might go a long way towards ending this. "Approved" can mean several things..from only Berkeley apps to people like Crunch3r, Trux, TMR, etc, sending their app to Berkeley to get it approved BEFORE they distribute it. Berkeley could then modify the code slightly when non "approved" verions of the software come out nullifing any credits they would receive.


I would hate to go there, because a large number of people use the anonymous platform mechanisms on platforms we don't support or to make their own optimized builds. If I need to sign a binary everytime someone wanted to compile SETI@home, I'd be more busy than I am. The vast majority of the compiled versions available seem to do the right thing. The rest, we rely on validation and the median of three results credit allocation mechanism to remove the incentive to over-report credits.


I think that optimized versions of the software can be a help to the project because, as several people have stated, the workunits are being crunched faster and it shows that some people DO care and are even willing to go beyond the normal crunching time with their donations.


You'll get no arguments from me on that. I hope nobody has the idea that UCB disapproves of the use of optimized applications. Hell, most of the optimizations to the enhanced application came from people who developed enhanced versions of the standard app.


In the long run it could even open the doors to Berkeley letting some of these people become "employees". You are always saying how overworked you are, some of these people could provide some needed places to bounce ideas off of.


To some extent it has worked that way. Ask Tetsuji and Josef. I like to think I'm open to suggestions, but I can't always get around to everything quickly. Sometimes I don't get around to answering messages at all. Again ask Tetsuji and Josef. If I had seen Crunch3r's email, I'm not sure what I would have done with it. A couple comments on alloca() not working in exception blocks on Intel's compiler and a pre-compiled binary with no indication of what, if any, source changes were made doesn't immediately sound like a solution to the bugs we're having. I probably would have sent a one line response and asked for source. That might have been considered to Crunch3r to be as much of a slight as no response was.

I would also like to point out to everyone, should anyone have not noticed. That the another major issue, the allegations of cheating, did not come from Berkeley. As I have said, I would prefer to stay out of the flame war business. I'm also in neither direct, nor indirect control of what the moderators do. I hope they use their moderation with moderation. Maybe we need to move to a slashdot style "posters occasionally get moderation points" mechanism. But that can't happen until Matt's around to make it work.

1268) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 328016)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I take it this means that the issue(s) with the splitters have not been corrected?


The wu in question here wuid-8030467 was split in May, so doesn't say anything about splitter-fix working or not...


Yep, that's one of the bad ones. Note that it has been cancelled. Unfortunately, not until it had been send out four times.
1269) Message boards : Number crunching : FOR CRUNCH3R- WE ARE ON STRIKE!!! (Message 327978)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Well, if there is no resolution or at least movement toward a resolution, you may find that many of us participating in the "strike" have no intention of coming back.


Then it would be nice if someone would tell us what would consitute a resolution.
1270) Message boards : Number crunching : A Resolution to the Credit Disagreement (Message 327959)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
How is the "deadline" for a WU calculated?


The deadline is the estimated crunch time on a 50 MFLOP machine running 100% SETI@home.

1271) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 327955)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I've got a slew of units that just don't seem to be processing on all three of my machines. One was showing that it had been running for over 50 hours and still had 60 some hours to go. I stopped it and chose another one, but it seems to be in that same loop. I did this on all three computers and still nothing looks normal. When I ask for the graphic, it doesn't show anything happening.


Can you give me the name of this workunit, or better yet a link to its page on the server?

Thanks,

Eric
1272) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 327268)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks, that means somethings going wrong with at least one of the splitters...
I'll check it out.


I take that back. The workunits look fine on this end. It probably means there's something between BOINC and the server that's messing things up. Personal firewall???



dont know, but i just got that same error (i believe)




I'll check it out again.

Eric
1273) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 327201)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks, that means somethings going wrong with at least one of the splitters...
I'll check it out.


I take that back. The workunits look fine on this end. It probably means there's something between BOINC and the server that's messing things up. Personal firewall???

1274) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 327192)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thanks, that means somethings going wrong with at least one of the splitters...
I'll check it out.

Eric

Eric could you take a look at the computer result from post in Q&A


1275) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 327182)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I was crunching an AstroPulse app. in July of 2003 ........ when I and 700 other people ... were .. Beta testing .... Boinc ... Versoin ... 0.1.xx

Will you be using that ..... AstroPulse app. ___ to start your new build ... of the new ... AstroPulse app. ?


We've got a new graduate student (Josh von Korff) working on Astropulse. He found a number of bugs in the existing app, some of them serious in terms of the science. He's working on a new build. Most of the code is based upon the old version you were beta testing.

I can't give you a good ETA for the new version. Josh is at Arecibo right now helping Jeff and Dan with the data recorder and he needs my help for some problems he's having.

Eric
1276) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 327059)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

My rough guess is about 1% of old WUs will have the problem, or maybe 4000 of the approximately 400000 which are ready to send. With the download rate near 6 WUs per second (17 Mbps), those 400000 will be sent in the next 18 hours or so. If the script can keep those with the problem from being resent, the problem will be fully gone within a day or so.
                                         Joe


Those are pretty good guesses. The total number of bad workunits created was 45056. About 7000 were still around. I think I've gotten them all cancelled at this point.

Eric
1277) Message boards : Number crunching : FOR CRUNCH3R- WE ARE ON STRIKE!!! (Message 326986)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

"Wonder if there's any donuts left."

"Yeah but I got the last jelly filled one."


You think we can afford donuts? Even if we could, we wouldn't be spending our donors' money on them.

But really, I do notice the strike. That doesn't mean I have the time or resources to do anything about it. I have work to do. (It's 10pm on a Sunday night and I'm at work...) I'm not even really sure what Crunch3r's issues are besides hurt feelings.

What good is a strike without demands? I can't say we'll meet any, but if there's not a list....


1278) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 326939)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

you don'n need to compile static version to every user in the net, this job is for coders, my question is general, why they did not release static version ? why they pushing me to upgrade my distro ?


Primarily we haven't released a static version because we've gotten far more complaints about lack of graphics on linux and we have about library issues. It may be hard to believe, but it is, unfortunately, true.

If we want to keep graphics on linux we need dynamic linkage. We could probably make it more compatible if we could find an old distro to compile on. Any ideas?

Eric
1279) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 326729)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

The problem has been fixed and I've started the new splitters. Once these results get cleared the problem should go away. I'm working on a script to fix the problem.


Thanks Eric... Any estimate on how many of the affected units are still out there? I'm still hesitant about retrieving work again...



Some are easy to find (ones that that more than five results sent because of errors.)

I'll try to post a "the coast is really clear" message when I'm sure I've gotten rid of some of the problem units.
1280) Message boards : Number crunching : Hanging workunit and odd credit claims problem solved. (Message 326708)
Posted 5 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Thanks to some clues from Josef Segur and Tetsuji Rai, I've located the cause of the "overflow results that hang" problem. It appears that it wasn't an application issue at all, but a problem with the splitter that resulted in thresholds that were set too low in such a way that the triplet finder attempted to do an infinite amount of work.

This is also the cause of some long running workunits asking for too little credit.

The problem has been fixed and I've started the new splitters. Once these results get cleared the problem should go away. I'm working on a script to fix the problem.

You can identify workunits made by the new splitter because they will have values in the <keyuniq> header field between -12288 and -13312. If you have problems with the new workunits, let me know.

1281) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 323710)
Posted 2 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'm working on it, but I can't fix the problem without understanding what the problem is. The answer to that isn't all that obvious.

Thank you for the answer, but i still am curious as to what the people at BOINC are doing about all these units full of errors being sent out.


Well, that's a good question! :-)


1282) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 323693)
Posted 2 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
With both Matt and Jeff out of town, I don't want to have to deal with the problems it might cause. Perhaps when they get back...

Eric,

Just a suggestion:

Could you set the DB_Purger to allow the completed results to hang around a little longer (maybe a month) for a while? It would make it a litte easier to grab data and do a quick "eyeball" eval, especially on "slugs".

Regards,

Alinator

1283) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 322937)
Posted 2 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yeah, rosetta is a tricky one. No validation against other results, so what you claim is what you get. I expect it will vary greatly between hosts. We'll need lots of rosetta statistics to get a good idea of what the average is.

Thanks, it's another point to add to my calculation.

Eric

My small sample here for this host@seti host@rosetta Its an AMD XP1900+ no overclocking. I used the last 6 results for my stats. Also using CC 5.4.9 on Win XP Pro sp2.

So here are my results
S@H 5.77 cr/h
Rosetta 8.31 cr/h

For a difference of about 44%. So either S@H is under or Rosetta is over.

Can't compare to Einstein as I'm running optimized apps on those. My two other boxes are running optimized enhanced apps. So this is all I have.

1284) Message boards : Number crunching : No new units??? (Message 322933)
Posted 2 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
[qoute]
how will you access the new data? Are you still depending on DLT tapes?
[/quote]

The new data that's waiting at Arecibo is on DLT IV tapes. The recorder that Dan and Jeff are installing uses an newer DLT (350GB?) format.

On a related note, SERENDIP IV and the original SETI@home data recorder were disconnected today. Everyone please raise your glass in a toast to their memory.

1285) Message boards : Number crunching : No new units??? (Message 322902)
Posted 2 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

i got also old WUs from 1999.


Dan and Jeff are at Arecibo setting up the new data recorder. There's also a box of new data in Arecibo that we're waiting on....

1286) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 322894)
Posted 2 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

So the only conclusion left for me is that seti wan't to enforce them doing the same way...


I don't care about enforcing this method of doing things. I do care about not angering other projects. It's called being considerate.


Another discussion over at the SETI.Germany board was to stop processing S@H work because of the WU times and the "leveled playground"...


That would definitely hurt the team's RAC.


But hey its only 10% difference after all... wasn't it that way ? look at the tables for yourself http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/top_teams.php... from were SETI.Germany has dropped to...


First in total credit, second in RAC. Where were they before? (Personally, I have always felt that total credit should be the default sorting mechanism and that RAC should be the credit in the last 30 days/30 rather than some voodoo exponential average that behaves in a weird manner when crunch times get long and really weird manner when crunch times vary. As currently defined RAC is just too variable.).


This whole c++ bug, timer crap could have been resolved a long time ago ... but ignoring people doesn't help getting things solved.


I'm not ignoring people, but I am just one person who can only do so much in an 11 to 14 hour work day. If I work on the application, I get blamed for ignoring the message boards. And vice versa. Finding and squashing the bugs without introducing new ones isn't a cake walk.

But I really did start this thread to get data for adjusting the credit ratio. If you've got complaints about how much credit you are getting, give me the data I need to fix it. If you want to argue, please move to a different thread.
1287) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment (Message 322677)
Posted 1 Jun 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I've been looking recently at how credits compare across projects to see if our credit ratio needs adjusting as some have suggested. Its a little difficult to do because of result purging.

Here is how some of my machines score...
The columns are machine, and granted credits per cpu hour for the various projects. "--" means no results were found for that machine on that project.

Machine            SAH   BETA  EAH   Pred  CPDN   Ros
-------------------------------------------------------
2x2.0GHz Opteron  10.74   --    --    --   15.13   --
2x1.8GHz Opteron   8.47   --   6.05  7.35  23.38   --
2x1.8GHz PPC G5    8.35  9.36  9.52  7.57  13.62   --
1.6 GHz P4-M       7.71  8.81   --  10.90  10.56   --
2.4 GHz P4         7.70  7.87   --   8.21  17.22  8.21
3.0 GHz P4-HT      6.66   --    --    --   15.57   --
0.6 GHz PIII        --   1.46   --   2.04    --   2.95
2x0.45 GHz PII      --    --    --   2.39   1.82  2.20
--------------------------------------------------------
Apprx Ratio to SAH 1.00  1.10  0.92  1.15   1.38  1.07


So the average among those four projects (not including beta) is to give about 12% more credit than SETI@home. If you take out climate prediction (which definitely gives way too much credit) that drops to 5%.

If anyone wants to put up their own statistics (including from other projects), feel free. It will help improve my estimate. But please only a stock BOINC core client and stock applications. Using optimized core clients or applications would throw off the results.
1288) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 320928)
Posted 31 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Results that has validate errors due to our server problems yesterday have been reset. Most should clear up and get credit by themselves. I may have some cleanup to do later.

Eric
1289) Message boards : Number crunching : Bugs and Credits (Message 319813)
Posted 29 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
This is the BOINC installer? Which version are you trying to install?

Eric

Speaking of bugs, i have ran into one with the installer.
I have been upgrading the farm and one box will just not finish up the install process with the new boinc client.
I get this message that the msi file is invalid after it has almost finished the entire install. :(

I have tried re-downloading (obvious) but did not help.
I have tried the different options within the installer but that did not help either.
I have tried moving the msi file to the root of C thinking that maybe the path was getting to long. did not help.

And no... boinc is not running while i am trying this.

Ideas?

-searcher

1290) Message boards : Number crunching : Work starts over and over. (Message 318069)
Posted 27 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Vicky,

I'm looking into it.

Eric

Hello Vicky

Welcome to Seti BOINC

At the moment I have nothing to offer other than you are not alone. I am hoping to get Eric to come look. He may have some questions to ask...

Pappa

1291) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED (Message 316721)
Posted 25 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Just got done reading thru the last month or so of this thread, and noticed that nothing has been said recently about the paypal/store status. Is this getting close, any guesstimate of an ETA for this? Looking forward to donating.


I still can't offer a guess. The number of donations we did receive did attract the attention of the university office that handles donations (as did some of the emails requesting PayPal for donations.) I think they now understand that it is worth their time to get PayPal up and running. We'll keep pushing them...

Eric
1292) Message boards : Number crunching : Bugs and Credits (Message 316664)
Posted 25 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hello Everybody,

Sorry for my long absence from the discussion. I picked up a stomach bug that had me pretty well incapacitated for the last week. I'm still down several kilos of water weight, so I'm not yet back up to my usual work hours.

Regarding bugs in the enhanced client, there are still some that we are working on. The fix for the jpeg loading bug didn't cure the entire problem, but it did make crashes less common. A possible fix for the "hang on overflow" bug is going to go out to beta soon.

I see there are still a lot of discussions about the new credit system and that a lot of these have degenerated into flame wars. I don't think there is any way to avoid flame wars in any public forum. I would encourage everyone to be civil and to withold accusations. We don't intend to police these discussions or get into the middle of them.

For now the credit system is what it is. We are investigating the cross-project calibration to see if the credit claims need adjusting. This process will be ongoing rather than a one time deal as new computer architectures become available and new projects arrive. Don't expect weekly or monthly adjustment. Annually or semi-annually is more likely.

We don't intend to police the credit claims of optimized versions unless problems with exaggerated claims become severe. That doesn't mean people should feel free to develop versions of the application that claim outrageous amounts of credit. If such versions become widespread, we would likely be forced to remove all credit claim calculation from the application and turn it into a server side determination based upon an estimation of the work a result would require. I would prefer that we remain with the current method of measuring the actual work done.

My hope is that porters/optimizers will self-police. I assume we're mostly honorable people here. If someone is doing something wrong they know it and my hope is they would stop without being requested or forced to. Accidental problems should be fixed without anyone needing to intervene. There will always be a few people with malicious intent. Most will disappear if ignored.

1293) Message boards : Number crunching : Response to concerns regarding the new credit system. (Message 310019)
Posted 19 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

If everyone were using an optimized application and the optimized client, that would not be true. It would have had very little if any affect on my granted credit. :)


Well, yeah. But getting everybody to download an optimized core client would be pretty difficult.....

Eric
1294) Message boards : Number crunching : Response to concerns regarding the new credit system. (Message 309966)
Posted 19 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

No I would not have considered that unfair. As a matter of fact I had a mission to try to get everybody I could on optimized because it was helping the science by doing WUs quicker. But those of us who had spent time and money building farms of high speed machines for the competition would not have minded if optimized became the standard because it would not have adversely affected our production that we had built up.


The point of my post was that if everyone had transferred to an optimized application it WOULD have adversely affected your credit production (even more so than the enhanced application does) because everyone would have been claiming fewer credits due to shorter run times.

Eric
1295) Message boards : Number crunching : Response to concerns regarding the new credit system. (Message 309815)
Posted 18 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

what's your position w.r.t to further possible optimisations of the enhanced app - Should I consider the current credit scheme as stable?


Hi Hans,

The current credit scheme should be considered stable. It'll be at least a month before I could consider a revision either upward or downward. Such a revision would likely be small (<10%).
Eric
1296) Message boards : Number crunching : Response to concerns regarding the new credit system. (Message 309703)
Posted 18 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Hi Daniel,


The effect of this being that those people who have spent an enormous amount of money and time on building a farm of the fastest crunchers, that do the MOST SCIENCE are, in effect, being PUNISHED for doing so. This is how we feel, as if we're being punished for doing the most work, in the most efficient mannor.


I hope you don't consider this to be punishment. It certainly not meant to be. We are not deliberately reducing the credit of optimizers.

Consider this alternative scenario. Suppose that instead of creating the enhanced client and modifying the credit scheme we had just started distributing one of Cruncher's optimized versions. Would you have considered that to be unfair to people already using optimized apps?

The end result on the recent average credit of those already using the optimized version would have been much the same as with enhanced. People (not running a Trux BOINC client) would have started requesting less credit because their workunits would have finished much faster. Everyone who was already running an optimized client would see their recent average credit plummet by even more than has happened with enhanced.

In other words, would it be unfair to people running optimized versions if everyone started using an optimized version?

Eric
1297) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 309023)
Posted 18 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Thank Martin,

It helps to be able to see the error messages. I'll let you know what I find out.

Eric
1298) Message boards : Number crunching : Response to concerns regarding the new credit system. (Message 308706)
Posted 17 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Hi Everybody,

We at the project are aware that there are questions and complaints regarding the mechanism that the enhanced client uses to grant credits. We do take these concerns seriously and I will try to adress some of them here.

The first concern seems to be that claimed credit per hour has dropped for fast machines, especially those that use BOINC clients with optimized benchmarking code. That is undoubtedly true. Fast machines were generally claiming more credit per workunit than their slower counterparts. For those using optimized benchmarking code this was doubly so, since they claim more credit per hour than the same machine running a standard BOINC client without doing any more real work per hour. I am not suggesting that this was a deliberate attempt by people to claim more credit than they were due. I believe that in most of the cases this was done to match the BOINC benchmarks to the work done by optimized SETI@home clients.

The second complaint is that a large fraction of users are seeing a large drop in their granted credit per hour. This is not true. I was very careful in attempting to choose a credit per floating point operation (FLOP) that would be credit neutral overall. If there has been a change in average credit per hour it is of order 10%. Future revisions of SETI@home enhanced may have their credit multiplier adjusted in order to maintain parity with credit granted in other projects.

The current multiplier gives 3.35 FLOPs of credit per FLOP actually done. Despite claims to the contrary, this number was not calculated based upon processing times of Sun processors. It was, in fact, calculated based upon the compute times of a large number of machines that were running both the SETI@home and the SETI@home Enhanced beta. The vast majority of these machines were using Intel processors.

Another claim is that this change hurts people who were running optimized SETI@home clients. That is true to some extent, but there isn't a lot I can do about it without being unfair to even more people. The previous versions of SETI@home were not as highly optimized as the enhanced version is. It was relatively easy for optimizers to create versions that would run in a small fraction of the time. It is still possible to create optimized versions of SETI@home enhanced, but the gains will be smaller. So whereas people running optimized version were, in the past, able to boost the credit per hour of their machines by factors of 5 by running optimized versions, now they may only be able to boost their credit per hour by a factor of two. To offset that effect, our credit multiplier would need to be increased to around 8. That would more than double the rate at which everyone gets credit and double the rate at which the project as a whole generates credit. This would be obvious in the statistics, and it would be unfair to other BOINC projects if we were to offer twice the credit per operation that they do.

It has been suggested that I was ordered by David Anderson to reduce the SETI@home credits in order drive people to other BOINC projects. It is a great misunderstanding of our organizational structure to assume that David could order me to do anything, much less something that would hurt the project that pays (at least part of) my salary. I get no salary from the BOINC grants. I have no incentive to drive people away.

Eric
1299) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 308642)
Posted 17 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Hi Chris,

Are you, by chance, running a web accelerator? It may be turning the jpeg file distributed with SETI@home into something else.

Eric


Now that all of the WU's in queue uploaded, I've had a chance to glance at my results. Out of 21 completed projects, 6 have no value (points or research wise) with the breakdown as follows: 2 validate erors and 4 client errors.
I'm not much worried about the points as this represents a 28.5% failure rate. Is this nominal or normal? Any others with high failure rate %'s using SE?
I just started crunching four days ago and now I'm wondering. I never had a "failure" result with F@H although I never got a hit with Prime95 either (after 2 years of each)

1300) Message boards : Number crunching : SETIathome Enhanced for older boxes? (Message 308051)
Posted 17 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I've got a Slackware 10.2 generic setup with everything installed for compiling if you want me to compile anythng for you.


Hi Jim,

Just getting back to this. Can you try a compile of BOINC and the enhanced client?

You can get a copy of our modified FFTW-3.1.1 source and the setiathome source here.

For building, I use the following options to configure.

boinc:
./configure --disable-client --disable-server
make all

fftw-3.1.1:
./configure --enable-sse --disable-fortran --enable-portable-binary --enable-single --enable-threads --with-combined-threads CFLAGS="-O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -fstrict-aliasing -ffast-math -march=i386 -mtune=pentium-m"
make all
make install

seti_enhanced:
./configure --enable-fast-math --disable-server CFLAGS="-O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -malign-double -ffast-math -march=i386 -mtune=pentium-m"

After compiling and checking on the workunits in seti_boinc/test_workunits, send me the binary, the output, and the output of 'ldd -v' on the executable and the .so file.

Eric
1301) Message boards : Number crunching : Mac OSX & 5.12e - Oh dear! (Message 303096)
Posted 12 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
The problem was that the application was compiled on a machine running 10.3.9.

Charlie Fenton has fixed this and the fixed app (5.13) and the OS X/Intel app should be going out tomorrow.

Eric
1302) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 303092)
Posted 12 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
If you can unhide your computers, I could look at the detailed error messages. It's likely that this is the problem that happens in the JPEG library. If so, I'm working on a fix.

Eric


Hi All

Since moving to Seti enhanced v5.1.2 around 9 in 10 of my work units fail to complete with the following message. "12/05/2006 00:03:30|SETI@home|Unrecoverable error for result 01mr99aa.26277.30545.972158.3.131_0 ( - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005))" Obviously the date and WU ref change but the exit code is always the same. Does anyone know what this specific exit code means?

Any enlightenment would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Marts

XP with sp2
AMD Athlon XP 2800+
1024 MB RAM
Nvidia 6800 128MB
Running Windows firewall only

1303) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 303090)
Posted 12 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I just sent setiathome enhanced 5.13 darwin to Jeff to be signed and put into mix. Charlie thinks this should allow machines down to OS X 10.3.2 to work properly. The OS X intel version should also be coming out at the same time.


I've got an iMac that's trashing every single result (after only a few seconds) with this message:

<core_client_version>5.2.13</core_client_version>
<message>process got signal 5
</message>
<stderr_txt>
dyld: setiathome-5.12.powerpc-apple-darwin Undefined symbols:
setiathome-5.12.powerpc-apple-darwin undefined reference to _atanf expected to be defined in /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
setiathome-5.12.powerpc-apple-darwin undefined reference to _cosf expected to be defined in /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib
setiathome-5.12.powerpc-apple-darwin undefined reference to _sinf expected to be defined in /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib

</stderr_txt>


It's G3 processor running OS 10.3.5, and it was handling SETI@home fine until the upgrade. (Boinc is running as a service.) The results page for this machine is almost solid pink. I've set SETI@home to "nomorework" for now.

1304) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED (Message 303064)
Posted 12 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Eric, I came to think of something, are you all hired by and payed by Berkeley?

I know Rom has been helping out at Rosetta with debugging some of the problems over (or up, as they are in Washington state?) there; the 1% bug, the stay in memory while preempted problems, etc. Has he been working as a consultant for them, and is he getting seperate wages from them, or are you at Berkeley hiring him out and getting a consultant fee from them?


I'm not aware of what arrangement Rom has as far as payment for outside work on BOINC. Since David keeps the BOINC money separate from the SETI money (for good reason, it is a grant from the NSF to develop BOINC) it's up to him. I would guess that some outside consulting work was included in the scope of the proposed work. In that case, Rom and David probably have some requirement to consult with other groups. Some people (for example Charlie Fenton) are getting paid by outside groups.


I think it wouldn't be fair, if you at Berkeley have to tighten your belt while helping out at other more wealthy projects.


It depends upon what we get paid for doing. If I were to work on BOINC for another university, it would be fair for them to pay me. That is, unless I said in a grant application that I would spend 10% of my funded time working with groups at other universities.


Ok, I'm not a US citizen, and I don't quite understand your system with fundings, as all the educational and research facilities here are payed by the state (we pay high taxes here!), but how is the cooperation (and with this the economics) between the universities working?


It's a fairly complicated system. Staff at U.S. research universities (and Berkeley in particular) comes in two varieties, tenure-track and research-track. Someone on the tenure track will typically teach and do research, although if they bring in enough dollars their teaching requirements may be waived. The benefits of being tenure-track are that your salary is higher than research track, you get paid even if you don't bring in grants, and once you get tenure you essentially have a job for life.

All the scientists in the SETI groups are research track. Pay is lower and if you don't bring in grants (or donations) you don't get paid. Grants can come from both government and commercial interests.

The problem with being paid from a grant at another university is typically the overhead. Universities will tack on a percentage to any grant money to pay for building upkeep, administrative costs, and the salaries of the upper level management. Here at the Space Sciences Lab, our overhead rate is 38% (which is
lower than the rest of the university.) So if I need $100k to do something, I need to ask the NSF for a grant of $138k. Private universities usually have much higher overhead rates. Some approach 200%. (Fortunately the overhead on donations is only 10.5% which covers what the credit card companies charge, and the people who work in the donations office).

Suppose I wanted Bob at the University of Western Iowa City to work with me on something. UWIC has an overhead rate of 50%. So if I wanted to pay him $10k through a subcontract, UWIC would want $15k from me to cover their overhead. To cover that plus the 38% UC overhead, I would need a grant of about $21k. Or Bob could apply for his own grant of $15k and specify in the grant application that he would be working with me. The extra $6k is the main reason we don't get paid by outside universities and we don't typically pay people at outside universities.


Just curious.


Curiosity is a good thing.
1305) Message boards : Number crunching : Splitter Status? (Message 302344)
Posted 11 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I'm looking into getting that info added to the status pages. Currently we are running 3 enhanced splitters.

1306) Message boards : Number crunching : What say you about Seti-Enhanced?? (Message 302339)
Posted 11 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

2) Lower credit. Argument that eventually everyone will be crunching the enhanced WUs is invalid - average credit per CPU hour is lower than other BOINC projects.


That's weird, because according to www.boincstats.com, our total credit granted per day is essentially unchanged since enhanced was released. If credit per CPU hour really was lower, you would expect to see a decrease in daily credit.

You may be misinterpreting your average claimed credit with your average granted credit. On the old system, fast machines tended to claim higher credit than they were granted. Slow machines tended to claim lower credit than they were granted. Now nearly every machine claims the same credit.
1307) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced applications (Mac OS X/Intel and SPARC/Solaris) (Message 302275)
Posted 11 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
We're waiting on reference results from our OS X/Intel porter.

Hopefully it will be soon.

Eric
1308) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED (Message 302256)
Posted 11 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

the "budget" page is where the donations will be going - since most of the
money has come in recently, most of it has probably not been spent at all...
an institution the size of UCB has a "cash management office" whose job is
to invest funds until they are needed/spent...


That's a pretty good summary. The funds are in the "Friends of SETI@home" gift account and will be spent throughout the year. I was considering putting up a graph showing the remaining balance in that account and any grants we have, so people wouldn't be surprised if we're running low.

The budget presented is what we spend on SETI this calendar except for what we spend on BOINC (which is a separate budget item because David Anderson has NSF grants to cover his salary and that of some developers (Rom Walton, etc)). Right now 50% of my salary comes from an NSF grant for Astropulse and our HI survey, and the other 50% comes from an unrelated NASA grant. The AstroPulse/HI grant also covers a postdoctoral researcher working with me and a graduate student who works on AstroPulse. Unfortunately that grant is running out and today I found out the the NSF has decided not to fund two grants we had applied for (one for further HI work, one to help fund the 7-beam SETI sky survey). The PI of the NASA grant has requested that I reduce my fraction on that grant to 35%. Forgive me if I sound bummed out.


and i would guess that the overall budget for the department is $1.5 to $2.0 million at least...


I wish... Matt and Jeff (and Court and Bob) don't get paid nearly as well as if they found work in a non-academic setting. My full time salary is a bit less than theirs last time I checked. Dan's is a bit more. But then again, we're scientists so we're lucky to be working at all. Kevin (the post-doc) earns peanuts. Josh (the grad student) wants to work his way up to earning peanuts. But, when you add benefits (mostly health insurance, 17% for scientists, 22% for programmers, 7.3% for postdocs) and University overhead (10.5% on donations, 38% on grants) it adds up to about $500k anually on salaries+overhead. Add in $250k for hardware, supplies, and travel to/from Arecibo, and that's where the $750k (donations) or $900k (grants) comes from.

At any rate Dan and I are going to sit down tomorrow with a spreadsheet and figure out how to stretch the budget.

Anyone know Steve Jobs or Paul Allen? :) Just kidding, the UC Office of the President won't let us talk to famous rich people even if they call us.

1309) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 301940)
Posted 10 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

The 5.13 apps hasn't been released in public yet. We need to be sure it doesn't kill any beta testers, first. I'm not sure what would be causing the "no 513 app" errors.

Eric
1310) Message boards : Number crunching : SETIathome Enhanced for older boxes? (Message 300623)
Posted 9 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

I'd need a libc machine to compile BOINC and the app on.


Apparently I need a glibc 2.0 machine to compile on as well.

:(
1311) Message boards : Number crunching : SETIathome Enhanced for older boxes? (Message 300615)
Posted 9 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

How about linking seti enhanced application statically? This would greatly improve behaviour on older installations ...


We looked into this and surprisingly the request for linux graphics outweighed the requests for static linking. We did pare down the dynamic libraries to the minimum we could get and still do graphics. On my build machine "ldd setiathome-5.12.i686-pc-linux-gnu" shows...

libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2
libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0
libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6
/lib/ld-linux.so.2

which seems pretty generic for recent distros. Older (libc) machines would need to have a separate boinc platform, which, I suppose, is possible to do (i686-pc-linux_libc-gnu?). I'd need a libc machine to compile BOINC and the app on.

The issue on darwin should be far less painful. All the dynamicly linked libraries are "compatibility version 1.0.0" and all are distributed with darwin, so in theory it should work on all. In practice???? I haven't checked the stats yet.
1312) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Enhanced Credit Fair? (Message 300434)
Posted 9 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:



"Is Enhanced Credit Fair?"

The New Seti Boinc Enhanced has doubled my WU processing time and cut in half my claimed Credit (using the stock client).


Yes, on many machines it will reduce your claimed credit. The question is "Does it reduce your granted credit?"

I tried my best to make the answer to the second question be "No" on average at least.

Eric
1313) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 300429)
Posted 9 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Eric or Pappa.

Would copying the jpeg from my beta folder to the seti main folder work?

Are they the same file?


Yep, they should be identical.

Eric
1314) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 300427)
Posted 9 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

It's a known problem afflicting Win9X based systems, see the Beta Test thread "No checkpoints, no progress, but completes OK". Eric noted this timer problem as something remaining to be fixed when he announced that enhanced was going mainstream. It seems to happen fairly frequently on some systems, very rarely if at all on some other Win9X systems.


I've also discovered some thread synchronization problems in the BOINC api that I will try to resolve at the same time that I fix this. The 0xc0000005 faults while reading the JPEG files appear to be due to in interaction with how jpeglib handles error and the BOINC exception handler.

One advantage of having lots of examples of errors is that lots of examples can help when figuring things out.

Eric
1315) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 299254)
Posted 8 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
That's why i can't understand why Eric relased it to the public.


Ever wonder why the word "dead" is in the word deadline. :(

Eric


1316) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 299249)
Posted 8 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Yeah, that one's got the jpeg bug bad.

Eric

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=2376252
This computer can crunch the 4.18 units just fine. About 2/3 of the 5.12 units are erroring out in 1-2 minutes.
The error code is the same in each case:
5/7/2006 5:43:19 PM|SETI@home|Starting task 06ja99ab.28689.18867.720172.3.68_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 512
5/7/2006 5:45:11 PM|SETI@home|Unrecoverable error for result 06ja99ab.28689.18867.720172.3.68_1 ( - exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005))

1317) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Enhanced Credit Fair? (Message 298859)
Posted 7 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Thanks Eric, I like the new method, but I have 2 other questions:

-How the total number of floating point operations it's calculated? That calculation can slow down the client?


The calculation isn't done too often so it shouldn't be significant compared to other floating point calculation. The typical increments are large. (For example when FLOPs for an FFT are added, 5*N*log2(N) is added (where N is usually 128K). This an approximation for FLOPs used in calculating an FFT.


-What can happen with optimized client? If they are not only recompiled but they have code optimization (like crunch3r's client), the claimed credits can change?


That's really up to the optimizer. If they reduce the number of FLOPs they can also reduce the number added to the FLOP counter if they desire. I would guess that most will leave the counter as is.

Eric
1318) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 298841)
Posted 7 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Regarding the over abundance of -9 overflow results, these tend to come in batches. It's usually not so much of a problem when we are running 6 splitters at once because 5/6th of the work units will be coming from other tapes.

I've upped the number of enhanced splitters to 2 so this should become less of a problem.

Eric
1319) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 298834)
Posted 7 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Could people having the "error 3 path not found" messages please post details of their machines, especially which firewall you use?

Thanks,

Eric
1320) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Enhanced Credit Fair? (Message 298070)
Posted 7 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

How does the .jpg file affect the crunching times/credit claims?


Sorry, I guess I could have been more clear. :) I was explaining the error results that were reported by that host, not trying to explain the credits...

Eric
1321) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Enhanced Credit Fair? (Message 297815)
Posted 6 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

How is the equation used to calcolate the claimed credit with the new client? It's based only on the number of FFTs performed?


The application keeps a running total of the number of floating point operations performed. The application reports credit for 3.35 times this number of floating point operations. (3.35 was chosen to make the median credits/hour to equal what the non-enhanced application was reporting).

Eric
1322) Message boards : Number crunching : New RAM requirement for SETI Enhanced? (Message 297806)
Posted 6 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I've been reading for months that the new app will have a smaller RAM footprint and thus require less RAM. I was wondering if anyone knew for sure if this is true, and if it is, what is the new requirement? Last I heard, it might be as little as 32MB, is this correct?

ADVAthanksNCED


Yes, it's 32MB (32505856 bytes). However, graphics require 48MB.
1323) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Enhanced Credit Fair? (Message 297793)
Posted 6 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
There error is probably due to a problem with the jpeg file (seti512.jpg) that was downloaded with the enhanced client. It should be 9068 bytes long and have an md5 of 75af6760157fdf8b2178971cb8f27851.

I'm going to have to come up with a way to solve this outside of the jpeg library. :(

Eric

I have one system with several Seti Enhanced work units crunched. The CPU time varies by more than 50% in completion of the units, but the claimed credit is exactly the same at 19.05. How can this be right if the metrics come from the work?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=1958599

1324) Message boards : Number crunching : Enhanced seti to start (Message 296994)
Posted 6 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Exactly.

I mean think of the odds of you actually getting one. They ship a million results a day, they toss in 2 thousand enhanced, you do the math.


We're now running 1 of 6 splitters for enhanced, so your chances have gone up to 1 in 6.
1325) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors on Seti Enhanced (Message 295542)
Posted 5 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
For some reason we are getting an unusual number of download errors on both the standard and enhanced clients. We're looking into the cause...


05/05/2006 00:41:18|SETI@home|Unrecoverable error for result 01mr99aa.11938.5762.336072.3.211_5 ( - exit code -6 (0xfffffffa))


This is a corrupt wu, got a couple of these myself with same error-code, and a closer look revealed they was missing the wu-header...




1326) Message boards : Number crunching : Enhanced seti to start (Message 293406)
Posted 2 May 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Sorry for the confusion regarding the release of enhanced. The release of enhanced will happen slowly and in a random fashion so as not to use up too much of our bandwidth at once. It will probably take a month or more for this initial release to get out to all the machines out there.

The enhanced application uses different workunits and generates different results than the standard application. If you run the enhanced client on a workunit built for the standard application (or vice vera) you will get a result that will not validate, and therefore you probably won't get credit.

If you are running with the anonymous platform mechanism you will need to add a separate <app_info> element for the enhanced application.

Work will continue to be distributed fpr the normal SETI@home application, with the ratio of enhanced vs normal work slowly being increased over time until the normal application is phased out.
1327) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Letter from Arthur C. Clarke and Dan Werthimer (Message 263068)
Posted 16 Mar 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I have to make a criticism relating to this topic of funding, they ask for donations but they don't open it up to everybody.

Not everyone has a card that is accepted by SETI, surely open a paypal account and let the money flood in, more users are able to pay by paypal as it is flexible, there may be a charge for using it but surely the small charge out weighs the amount of money that could flood in with Paypal


I bet Matt wishes he could get back the months he spent trying to wrangle the ability for us to accept Paypal. The biggest issue is that the Univeristy won't let us open a bank account. We approached other non-profit organizations in an attempt to get them to accept donations on our behalf through an account of theirs. We even went so far as to develop the code to interface to paypal. Unfortunately the organizations that initially agreed to help us out with this withdrew (at the last minute).

We considered using a personal account, but the tax implications were frightening.

About our only option would be to start a non-profit foundation to accept donations on our behalf. It would take years to get the IRS 503(c) designation.
So we're stuck with what the University offers.
1328) Message boards : Number crunching : @Matt, Eric or ROM - Donation Page!!!!! Please Look... (Message 251035)
Posted 20 Feb 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:

Thanks for your persistence! There was another problem that was causing the donation link to fail on some proxies. I think I've fixed that one, too.

I'll talk to Matt tomorrow about the specifics of donating tapes and equipment. He may be back here to respond directly before then, though.

Eric
1329) Message boards : Number crunching : someone from beta project, I need help (Message 240421)
Posted 31 Jan 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Check out Eric's join date. Dec 13, 1901

He must be getting pretty tired by now!



It's better than my original SETI@home join date... November 24, 4714 B.C..



My SETI@home user stats... SETI@home user for: 6722.650 years
1330) Message boards : Number crunching : someone from beta project, I need help (Message 240416)
Posted 31 Jan 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Check out Eric's join date. Dec 13, 1901

He must be getting pretty tired by now!



It's better than my original SETI@home join date... November 24, 4714 B.C..

Eric
1331) Message boards : Number crunching : someone from beta project, I need help (Message 240353)
Posted 31 Jan 2006 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
I'll take a look at it and fix it.

Eric
1332) Message boards : Number crunching : Help optimize SETI@Home (Message 45967)
Posted 12 Nov 2004 by Eric Korpela Project Donor
Post:
Are you a programmer? C++ expert, or know SSE or Altivec?
Mabye you know the latest GPUs (graphics processing units) for newer graphics cards
and their Floating Point features.

Then perhaps seti@home is looking for you...

Who?
o C++ experts who believe in fast clean code.
o SIMD experts - 3DNow, SSE, SSE2, PNI(SSE3), Altivec
o CPU experts - Identifying cpu at runtime + CPU features (cache, FP features).
o Documenting how the testers should use, and enhancing function documentation
o Benchmarks - RAM access speed

Why?
We are aiming to improve the speed of seti@home.

How?
The original programmers used various methods to try and make their analyses both thorough,
rigorous, and also timely. However with newer CPUs offering features such as SIMD, and newer
programming paradigms and methods, it is likeley that the original code can be speeded up by
a large percentage on the machines it already runs on.

This will allow the original data to be processed in a more timely manner.

Obstacles:
The original code is somewhat intermixed, being open source, and as such has differing levels
of documentation, commenting, and source code styles. This can sometimes be difficult to deduce
the original intent or purpose of some of the code modules.

Managing all of the different types of SIMD processors, and integrating it into the code in
an organized manner, without further complicating the source will be a major goal and difficulty.

What?:

* Optimization in C++ of existing code with no reduction in efficacy or scientific value.
* Specialized routines to take advantage of specific CPU's SIMD (Simultaneous Instruction, Multiple Data) processors. These
routines will generate as nearly identical scientific results but at much faster pace.
* CPU type, and feature set identification by the "worker" machines at runtime.

Where?
http://setiboinc.sourceforge.net/

Post your interest, along with your qualifications to the
I want to help
forum.


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