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Message 1935135 - Posted: 11 May 2018, 14:03:20 UTC - in response to Message 1935009.  


The Windows 10 April 2018 Update is not proving to be the smoothest of installations for PCs containing certain Intel SSDs.


I got the huge April update (last time I checked it was May Microsoft ...) the other day and had a serious issue. I have a Samsung SSD and after the update the notification area warned that my disk had errors and had to be scanned. Then I got a message that my Microsoft login credentials had some sort of issue I needed to fix too. I restarted the machine and the problems began. The blue screen claimed there was an error that had to be fixed and started the Windoze repair system - - - but it couldn't fix the problem!

Then I went through that several times and got into an "Advanced" settings area that asked me if I wanted to recover the system to a checkpoint yesterday. I had no options left (but I did have a cloned image from several days ago I did with a separate package). The recovery system then failed. But I restarted the system and I got back into Windoze!

I have no idea WTF happened but it all seems OK as of today.
I'm putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all, I think, that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
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Message 1935136 - Posted: 11 May 2018, 14:05:02 UTC

The "Storage Space Controller" is an interface between the hardware driver and the rest of the system. Essentially it provides a standard API for communication to and from the disk.
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Message 1935140 - Posted: 11 May 2018, 14:18:23 UTC - in response to Message 1935136.  
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The "Storage Space Controller" is an interface between the hardware driver and the rest of the system. Essentially it provides a standard API for communication to and from the disk.

Hi Rob,

I understand what the controller does. A dumb analogy would be the shifter in a car being the "controller" between you the driver and the transmission shifting. Sort of, told you it was dumb. ;)

Please see my edit, with image, on my post below.

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I just made an observation that is just WRONG! Look at the driver date for the Microsoft controller. Isn't that before Windows 7? Or at the very least about when Windows 7 went public? 2006????????????? Give me a break!!!
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I just look at several devices, upwards of about 10 with Microsoft drivers, and they ALL have the same driver date, 2006!!! What gives?
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Message 1935142 - Posted: 11 May 2018, 14:46:59 UTC

...not all of Windows 10 is as new as one would imagine or desire
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Message 1935144 - Posted: 11 May 2018, 14:57:35 UTC - in response to Message 1935142.  

...not all of Windows 10 is as new as one would imagine or desire

I guess Micro$oft goes by the old axiom: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Either that, or they update the drivers without updating the driver date for whatever reason.

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Message 1935154 - Posted: 11 May 2018, 15:48:14 UTC - in response to Message 1935067.  

Micro$oft, give me back MY full control of MY PC!
You have been assimilated, resistance is futile. Comply.
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Message 1935175 - Posted: 11 May 2018, 16:42:09 UTC - in response to Message 1935154.  
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Micro$oft, give me back MY full control of MY PC!
You have been assimilated, resistance is futile. Comply.

LOL!!!

Funny you should say that. I said something very similar just the other day.

"We are the BORG, you will be assimilated; resistance is futile. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own."

I believe I said it about how the OS says "WE" will do this or "WE" will change that for you...

Our individuality has been taken away from us. I renamed the icon "This PC" to "Rick's PC" and the icon for "Recycle Bin" to "Garbage Dump". At least I restored that iota of individuality. ;)

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Message 1935232 - Posted: 11 May 2018, 22:13:02 UTC - in response to Message 1935118.  
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It just doesn't seem correct to me. The first 3 images are showing the version number of the Microsoft controller. The second image from the left, in my mind and opinion, should be the same as the Samsung controller version. What gives?

It is correct.
Keep in mind that a NVMe SSD is actually a drive, with a controller built in. The controller interfaces between the drive itself, and the PCIe interface. So the NVMe driver will show up in the Storage Controller section.
The actual movement of data between the drive & the controller is pretty low level and the standard Windows drivers are all that is needed, so for the drive itself, it will use those basic standard drivers, and that is what you see in Device Manager for the drive properties.

As for the date of Microsoft drivers, it is intentional. It's so 3rd party drivers don't get replaced by Microsoft ones.
From a Microsoft blog,
When the system looks for a driver to use for a particular piece of hardware, it ranks them according to various criteria. If a driver provides a perfect match to the hardware ID, then it becomes a top candidate. And if more than one driver provides a perfect match, then the one with the most recent timestamp is chosen. If there is still a tie, then the one with the highest file version number is chosen.

Suppose that the timestamp on the driver matched the build release date. And suppose you had a custom driver provided by the manufacturer. When you installed a new build, the driver provided by Windows will have a newer timestamp than the one provided by the manufacturer. Result: When you install a new build, all your manufacturer-provided drivers get replaced by the Windows drivers. Oops.

Intentionally backdating the drivers avoids this problem.

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Message 1936080 - Posted: 17 May 2018, 21:41:11 UTC
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Oh HELL no!

You mean to tell me I spent a month getting my Win10 laptop just the way I like it and now I have to start all over again?
WTF Microsoft?
So many changes, I don't even know where to start...
And some whacky ones too... An Edge shortcut on my desktop? Booking & Amazon bookmarks reappearing in IE?
Not to mention I'm probably the only person on the planet that actually uses Bing as my homepage (I like the pictures), and as a "thank you" I get my picture settings changed back to "tiny pic, for slow internet connections"!? Why? WHY??

And why am I even blaming MS? This sh*t is all on Google. Maybe even Apple (but I wouldn't know). They started it.
MS you are late to a party no one wants to go to!

I know this is old news for everybody, but I just HAD to drop by and vent!
I feel a bit better now, thanks for listening :)

Edit: And we have to do this every 6 months now?
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Message 1936087 - Posted: 17 May 2018, 21:58:48 UTC - in response to Message 1936080.  

Oh HELL no!

You mean to tell me I spent a month getting my Win10 laptop just the way I like it and now I have to start all over again?
WTF Microsoft?
So many changes, I don't even know where to start...
And some whacky ones too... An Edge shortcut on my desktop? Booking & Amazon bookmarks reappearing in IE?
Not to mention I'm probably the only person on the planet that actually uses Bing as my homepage (I like the pictures), and as a "thank you" I get my picture settings changed back to "tiny pic, for slow internet connections"!? Why? WHY??

And why am I even blaming MS? This sh*t is all on Google. Maybe even Apple (but I wouldn't know). They started it.
MS you are late to a party no one wants to go to!

I know this is old news for everybody, but I just HAD to drop by and vent!
I feel a bit better now, thanks for listening :)

Edit: And we have to do this every 6 months now?

Iwazaru,

Since Micro$oft now "OWNS" every PC and device that Windows 10 is installed on, yes. We have to go through this crap every 6 months or so. Bing? I would say you are probably 99.9% correct. I'm sure there are others that think Bing is the cat's meow. Me, I don't and I ran the comparison to Google when Bing came out and did not like what I saw in Bing. Sorry guy. ;)

Make sure you check you settings since Micro$oft has had a bad habit of changing them to what THEY want. They don't care what WE want just as long as they get what THEY want. I like Windows 10; it's a great improvement over what's come before. I just don't like Micro$oft's tactics.

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Message 1936143 - Posted: 18 May 2018, 13:09:27 UTC - in response to Message 1936080.  

I'm probably the only person on the planet that actually uses Bing as my homepage (I like the pictures), and as a "thank you" I get my picture settings changed back to "tiny pic, for slow internet connections"!? Why? WHY??


I also use Bing as my home page. Started when it first came out (beta testing it then) but I also love the daily picture.
P.S. I did not suffer any of those format changes that you mentioned.
P.P.S.S. When Bing was first introduced and you did a search, all you got were MS links!!!!

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Message 1936182 - Posted: 18 May 2018, 20:13:26 UTC - in response to Message 1936143.  

The Bing change was in IE. In Edge I have the "most visited" thumbnails as a "homepage". Amazon & Booking bookmarks I'm sure I can blame on some kind of HP bloatware.

For now the things that bug me and need changing again are all my trackpad settings, remembering how to get rid of the language bar in the taskbar that decided to reappear and one that REALLY annoyed me: did Edge get rid of "view as icons" on the bookmarks bar? Someone please tell me I'm seeing "red" and just can't find the option...

I had a ton of bookmarks there and now they exploded with descriptions/page titles. Completely unusable. Apparently I can right-click on them one-by-one and do it but why?
Why?
WHY!?

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Message 1936188 - Posted: 18 May 2018, 20:28:48 UTC - in response to Message 1936182.  

Pastime. With presets you ain't got enough of that, so they changed it so that you do.
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Message 1936364 - Posted: 20 May 2018, 5:48:31 UTC

Just a quick reminder that updates such as the recent 1804 will probably replace your NVidia driver with one that lacks OpenCL.
Thanks for all the aborted APs, M$. Got there before I could. Sigh.
Also loving the problem between Windows, NVidia and Firefox that results in the video drivers crashing, Firefox locking up and BoincTasks crashing. Supposedly fixed by newer NVidia drivers, but that's not my experience. Still getting crashes with FF 60.0.1 and NVidia 397.64.
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Message 1936366 - Posted: 20 May 2018, 5:53:45 UTC - in response to Message 1936364.  

Still getting crashes with FF 60.0.1 and NVidia 397.64.

Be worth disabling browser hardware acceleration till it's sorted.

Luckily I've got WIn10 Pro. I just used the Group Policy Editor to disable any driver updates by Windows Update.
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Message 1936672 - Posted: 22 May 2018, 13:16:19 UTC

Firefox locking up and BoincTasks crashing. Supposedly fixed by newer NVidia drivers, but that's not my experience. Still getting crashes with FF 60.0.1 and NVidia 397.64.
FF has been totally unusable on my Surface Tablet since the 1st update this year. Forced me into Edge which I DESPISE!

If you're a believer in Biblical prophecy it would appear M$ is the foretold 'Mark of the Beast'. The opening screen on Win10 should simply be text "Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here".........

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Message 1936677 - Posted: 22 May 2018, 14:46:33 UTC - in response to Message 1936672.  

Firefox locking up and BoincTasks crashing. Supposedly fixed by newer NVidia drivers, but that's not my experience. Still getting crashes with FF 60.0.1 and NVidia 397.64.
FF has been totally unusable on my Surface Tablet since the 1st update this year. Forced me into Edge which I DESPISE!

If you're a believer in Biblical prophecy it would appear M$ is the foretold 'Mark of the Beast'. The opening screen on Win10 should simply be text "Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here".........

HOLY CRAP!!!

You would think that Micro$oft would make sure that their junk would run on their junk. Oh wait! They want the WORLD to run EDGE on the Internet. Yeah, disable any browser BUT Edge and force it down everyone's throats. Edge popped up on me when MY PC was upgraded to v1803 even though my DEFAULT browser is Firefox.

I watched (read and watched) the suit against Micro$oft back in the 90's. Gate's really tried to skirt the issue when he was asked questions at his deposition. Internet Exploder was so tied to the Operating System that it would make Windows no longer usable if one tried to get rid of IE. It looks to me like they are trying that same stunt with Edge. "Use our browser or you cannot use Windows." I believe, from what I have read that it's the same with Cortana.

Have a great day! :)

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Message 1936680 - Posted: 22 May 2018, 15:35:07 UTC

It isn't just 10 ... last update on 7, M$ decided ports that had been opened to use a major financial program were closed. God Damn PITA to get them open again.
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Message 1936954 - Posted: 24 May 2018, 16:04:04 UTC

Uh, I think it is a little too late for some people to get this warning....
Installing the Windows 10 April 2018 Update could wipe your entire desktop
User forums have been flooded with calls for help after recently updated PCs are rendered useless.
... With the help of Durham-based repair shop Computer Cellar, The Register traced the problem back to Avast Antivirus and a specific line of code contributing to the problem.


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Message 1937228 - Posted: 26 May 2018, 7:13:18 UTC

Another 1804 issue reported, though very rare, is that the update may erroneously assign a hard drive letter to the hidden 450mb Win partition, causing it to mess up drive assignments and report a low disk space error on that partition.
Solution is to remove the assignment of a drive letter to that partition, either via command line or from windows.
Haven't seen this; just saw mention of it on Tom's Hardware.
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