I have always wanted the most powerful computer I could build, even long before there ever was a Seti@home. Some people like fast cars, fast motorcycles, and fast women, but I like fast computers.....

Same here Steve. :-D I was never much of a gear-head, but I've always like me some shiny silicon!

Ever tried MPC-HC? I swear by it for my tv-server.

Now that is looking better, easy to set up and a simple interface that doesn't required a back and front end which many others do.

Will see how it performs.

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Since three of our four Win 7 systems are Home Premium; does anyone know if you can purchase a Win 10 Pro "Upgrade" 3 License Copy??? I really don't want these systems upgrading to Win 10 Home...


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If you already have the Home edition why wouldn't you not want to continue with Home edition? You don't have to update to Windows 10 if you don't want to.

Windows 7 Home to Windows 10 Pro with the paid update should work in theory. Depending on if they decide to allow that function.
However the free update path could take your Windows 7 Home to Windows 10 Home. Then the paid update to go from Home to Pro could be applied. The Home to Pro upgrade is supposedly going to be $99. I don't know if they will have volume packs available right away or not.

I don't want Win 10 Home; because, of what people here, and elsewhere, have been stating about it forcing Automatic Updates to be ALWAYS ON. Whereas; the Pro version allows you to still defer updates to do them when you WANT to do them.

Automatic Updates being forced on my dad's two systems will be a NIGHTMARE!!! He hates computers and tech as it is; makes do with them because he has to, and if he's using one of the systems and doing something important to him, having that interrupted by a forced reboot after updating will drive him NUTS!!! ...and, then I won't ever hear the end of it. So, for sanity's sake, I want Pro on ALL of our current Win 7 systems to be upgraded to 10... ;-) :-)


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If you already have the Home edition why wouldn't you not want to continue with Home edition? You don't have to update to Windows 10 if you don't want to.

Windows 7 Home to Windows 10 Pro with the paid update should work in theory. Depending on if they decide to allow that function.
However the free update path could take your Windows 7 Home to Windows 10 Home. Then the paid update to go from Home to Pro could be applied. The Home to Pro upgrade is supposedly going to be $99. I don't know if they will have volume packs available right away or not.

I don't want Win 10 Home; because, of what people here, and elsewhere, have been stating about it forcing Automatic Updates to be ALWAYS ON. Whereas; the Pro version allows you to still defer updates to do them when you WANT to do them.

Automatic Updates being forced on my dad's two systems will be a NIGHTMARE!!! He hates computers and tech as it is; makes do with them because he has to, and if he's using one of the systems and doing something important to him, having that interrupted by a forced reboot after updating will drive him NUTS!!! ...and, then I won't ever hear the end of it. So, for sanity's sake, I want Pro on ALL of our current Win 7 systems to be upgraded to 10... ;-) :-)


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After playing around with the Windows 10 Technical Preview for a while now, I can tell you that Windows Updates don't interrupt your daily workflow, even when set to Automatic. I doesn't nag you like Windows XP or 7 does, or just suddenly restart your machine. It will actually wait until you're not using the machine to restart it. I've never had any open programs while this has happened to know if it ruins any unsaved applications.

On the whole, I don't think the automatic updates are going to be as intrusive as many seem to think. Of course, I can see for crunchers who utilize their GPUs to crunch won't want their machines sitting idle at the login screen because of a restart, but for most people it shouldn't really be an issue.

That being said, if you really want to go Pro, your cheapest route is very likely going to be to upgrade Windows 7 Home to Windows 10 Home for free, then immediately after upgrade from 10 Home to Pro for $99. Upgrading 3 machines this way will only cost you $297, whereas buying the Windows 10 Pro OEM is going to cost you $449.97 @ $149.99 ea. I don't think a Windows 10 Pro 3-pack is going to be much cheaper than that.

Hi OzzFan,

After playing around with the Windows 10 Technical Preview for a while now, I can tell you that Windows Updates don't interrupt your daily workflow, even when set to Automatic. I doesn't nag you like Windows XP or 7 does, or just suddenly restart your machine. It will actually wait until you're not using the machine to restart it. I've never had any open programs while this has happened to know if it ruins any unsaved applications.

On the whole, I don't think the automatic updates are going to be as intrusive as many seem to think. Of course, I can see for crunchers who utilize their GPUs to crunch won't want their machines sitting idle at the login screen because of a restart, but for most people it shouldn't really be an issue.

That being said, if you really want to go Pro, your cheapest route is very likely going to be to upgrade Windows 7 Home to Windows 10 Home for free, then immediately after upgrade from 10 Home to Pro for $99. Upgrading 3 machines this way will only cost you $297, whereas buying the Windows 10 Pro OEM is going to cost you $449.97 @ $149.99 ea. I don't think a Windows 10 Pro 3-pack is going to be much cheaper than that.

IMO The problem with forced updates isn't rebooting, it crap video or other hardware drivers, being installed and causing problems, AFAIR Win10 has already had a duff set of NV drivers put through autoupdate, which screwd up the testers rig.

And he had mega probs backing out of the duff driver.

And that concerns me since I'm running 4 projects here that rely on my GPU's working properly.

That said my upgrade would be pro, since I'm running Win7 Ult as it stands, still I'd like to be darned sure I could stop update installing a defunct driver not just postpone its installation.

Anyone know if it will be possible to hide a duff driver update as one can at present?

Or even if you will get to see in advance what updates are being issued? In order to avoid such problems.

Regards,

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I think I already wrote that here somewhere: On the technical preview you could simply change an option in group policies and get the full functionality of Windows Update back. I'm pretty sure it's the same on the final version. And if not, then ppl will find another way to disable automatic updates. Yes, most regular users will prefer automatic updates, but every nerd hates it and nerds always find a way to change things the way they wanna have it ;-)

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I think I already wrote that here somewhere: On the technical preview you could simply change an option in group policies and get the full functionality of Windows Update back. I'm pretty sure it's the same on the final version. And if not, then ppl will find another way to disable automatic updates. Yes, most regular users will prefer automatic updates, but every nerd hates it and nerds always find a way to change things the way they wanna have it ;-)

I haven't read what anyone was doing with that previously. However when I tried it on my own it didn't really work. I could only disable updates from happening. That was in an older release & I haven't messed with it since.

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Hi OzzFan,

IMO The problem with forced updates isn't rebooting, it crap video or other hardware drivers, being installed and causing problems, AFAIR Win10 has already had a duff set of NV drivers put through autoupdate, which screwd up the testers rig.

And he had mega probs backing out of the duff driver.

And that concerns me since I'm running 4 projects here that rely on my GPU's working properly.

That said my upgrade would be pro, since I'm running Win7 Ult as it stands, still I'd like to be darned sure I could stop update installing a defunct driver not just postpone its installation.

Agreed and understood.

Anyone know if it will be possible to hide a duff driver update as one can at present?

Or even if you will get to see in advance what updates are being issued? In order to avoid such problems.

I would be hesitant to give you a definitive answer while the product is still in a non-finalized state, but I'm sure once Windows 10 is released someone will be able to tell you for sure. Anything can change between now and then.

(I'm fairly certain the registry hacks to turn off driver updates will still work on Windows 10 as they did on Windows 7 & 8.)

Not only that, but Win10 will no longer have IE. They are coming out with an all new browser... :\ I forget the name off hand...

No, Windows 10 will still include Internet Explorer for compatibility's sake, but no new features will be added to it.

The new browser is called Microsoft Edge (named after the rendering engine). It was called Spartan while in development.

I'm about 95% sure they called it Edge so they wouldn't have to design a new logo.

It is called "Edge", and the icon for it still has a big "E" on it, but the background shape has been changed slightly to reflect the change.

Cheers.

Well it is a "new" logo, but it really just looks like a new version of the IE logo to me.

I would imagine keeping the icons similar would also be beneficial to all the non-savvy PC users who only know they get to the internet on their computer by double-clicking on the E icon.

Reminiscent of the migration from Death Star I to Death Star II. New look...same service (or lack thereof).

I think I already wrote that here somewhere: On the technical preview you could simply change an option in group policies and get the full functionality of Windows Update back. I'm pretty sure it's the same on the final version. And if not, then ppl will find another way to disable automatic updates. Yes, most regular users will prefer automatic updates, but every nerd hates it and nerds always find a way to change things the way they wanna have it ;-)

I haven't read what anyone was doing with that previously. However when I tried it on my own it didn't really work. I could only disable updates from happening. That was in an older release & I haven't messed with it since.

When I tested it, I was able to get the full functionality of windows update back. That means that I was able to choose between automatic updates, manual updates (notify me when updates are available) or no updates at all.
I achived this by changing some option with the group policy editor. It looks like MS tried to block this in later builds, but, as usual, ppl soon discovered a way to pass this block:
https://4sysops.com/archives/turn-off-automatic-updates-in-windows-10-build-9926/

I don't know if this all still works or if MS again found a way to block this. But if so, ppl will strike back and find a new way again.

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I think I already wrote that here somewhere: On the technical preview you could simply change an option in group policies and get the full functionality of Windows Update back. I'm pretty sure it's the same on the final version. And if not, then ppl will find another way to disable automatic updates. Yes, most regular users will prefer automatic updates, but every nerd hates it and nerds always find a way to change things the way they wanna have it ;-)

I haven't read what anyone was doing with that previously. However when I tried it on my own it didn't really work. I could only disable updates from happening. That was in an older release & I haven't messed with it since.

When I tested it, I was able to get the full functionality of windows update back. That means that I was able to choose between automatic updates, manual updates (notify me when updates are available) or no updates at all.
I achived this by changing some option with the group policy editor. It looks like MS tried to block this in later builds, but, as usual, ppl soon discovered a way to pass this block:
https://4sysops.com/archives/turn-off-automatic-updates-in-windows-10-build-9926/

I don't know if this all still works or if MS again found a way to block this. But if so, ppl will strike back and find a new way again.

I was only changing the settings via group policy. The only option I found to work there was "disable". The one to restore the control panel applet would be best if it still works in build 10130. Maybe I'll play with it over the weekend.

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I had two of my crunchers on Win7 Home Premium and found the upgrade to Win7 Pro was $90 as opposed to the Win10 Home to Pro being $100. So I've already upped those to save $20.

John

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What should I do ?
Next year I and my wife are going to study at the university level the education of those the most creative, most challenging, most deprived .. most loved.

I may have primed the resaerch.

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Totally up to date at Windows Update and I see, No Icon for Win10...

Win 7 Pro x64, Retail..

It can take awhile once you've received KB3035583. It took Voyager, (my Win 7 Home Premium Laptop), a day and a half after installing KB3035583 to show the "Get Win 10" icon in the tray. It will show up.

Three of four systems updated here, all three updated systems have the new icon. The fourth system gets updated tomorrow. (Dad's laptop is the fourth system. Parents' Desktop is the third system. Exeter and Prometheus are my systems. ...and Voyager, my laptop; but that one doesn't crunch due to excess heat buildup when I tried to have it crunch.)


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Well after reading just a few posts here i say NAY to win 10 . For "F" sack when are they going to learn to stop doing rubbish things , and not having control of win update is a BIG one.

There can be only one reason to be exclusive . So much for choice .

Looks like they did not learn with win 8 when they made the desktop disappear with that stupid Metro . And it became awkward to use with out a touch screen

Sorry a mouse and keyboard is still the best way to use a computer .

Maybe when they can make computers understand speeach then they can get rid of them until then MOUSES AND KEYBOARDS RULE touch screens are just awkward

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Well after reading just a few posts here i say NAY to win 10 . For "F" sack when are they going to learn to stop doing rubbish things , and not having control of win update is a BIG one.

There can be only one reason to be exclusive . So much for choice .

Looks like they did not learn with win 8 when they made the desktop disappear with that stupid Metro . And it became awkward to use with out a touch screen

Sorry a mouse and keyboard is still the best way to use a computer .

Maybe when they can make computers understand speeach then they can get rid of them until then MOUSES AND KEYBOARDS RULE touch screens are just awkward

I've messed with the tech preview in virtual machine a few times, and my friend actually took an 8.1 install on his laptop and upgraded to the tech preview, and I've messed around with that a little, too, and.. I think 10 is what 8 was supposed to be in the first place. Much like how 7 ended up being what Vista was supposed to have been. Vista and 8/8.1 were basically a mistake, and 7/10 are the refined, "lesson learned" successors.

My biggest gripe about 8 was the same as yours: the interface was designed for a touch-screen.. on a portable device, NOT for a stationary computer with an actual keyboard and mouse, and no touch screen.

That's where 10 comes in, because they did a "lesson learned" kind of thing and went back to making it feel like 7... but the start menu is now a customizable tile interface, so it's kind of a "best of both worlds" thing.

I've always hated the next OS that comes along until 2-5 years after it came out and then I begrudgingly start poking at it and eventually just give in and start using it and then I get used to it, but this time around.. I have really liked 10 since the moment I saw the public demo released as a youtube video. That's not to say that I'm going to upgrade right away, but I'm definitely looking forward to getting it after a few months of bugs being worked-out.

So.. trust me, I understand your frustration, but this time around, I don't think it is quite justified. Underneath, 10 is basically.. 8.2. It is a UI overhaul, and some more improvements behind the scenes, (despite the fact that they finally just manually changed the kernel version number itself, it really is just a continuation of the major kernel version starting from Vista, which was 6.0, 7 was 6.1, 8 was 6.2, 8.1 was 6.3, and early builds of 10 were 6.4 before they decided to make the kernel version match the number for the OS). In a nutshell.. 10 is the cool stuff from 8, with the feel of 7: basically.. it's what 8 should have been in the first place.

edit: oh, and re: truly automatic updates.. that's only in HOME. The casual users don't have much savvy and don't like having to keep telling their OS to do things. The typical consumer and computer user just likes everything to be taken care of for them. If you don't want things being done automatically, or you want some control over things.. congratulations, you are officially a "power user." As such, power users get something more than the basic Home builds. In Pro, in this case, updates can be automatic, if you opt for them to be. Okay, so it's more money, but admit it.. as a power user, you were going to get Pro anyway, so.. why care about Home being fully automatic when you weren't going to get/use it anyway?

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My host on beta under Win10 x64 TP in dual boot with main OS (hence no virtualization involved): http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=75216

Build 10130 Iso available:
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edit: oh, and re: truly automatic updates.. that's only in HOME. The casual users don't have much savvy and don't like having to keep telling their OS to do things. The typical consumer and computer user just likes everything to be taken care of for them. If you don't want things being done automatically, or you want some control over things.. congratulations, you are officially a "power user." As such, power users get something more than the basic Home builds. In Pro, in this case, updates can be automatic, if you opt for them to be. Okay, so it's more money, but admit it.. as a power user, you were going to get Pro anyway, so.. why care about Home being fully automatic when you weren't going to get/use it anyway?

yes your right i am as you say a power user but i'm on a pension so buying the pro version may be to expensive and why should i pay more for a few bells and whistles . Stuff them i won't be upgrading to pro the price will make shore of that i'm shore. NAY TO WINDOWS !0

Edit : sorry guys still a bit peed off with the newbee's and there trashing of units . Look at my stats see 14 units in the inconclusive and think not again more newbee's useing old GPU's with only 255 meg of ram or 512 ram and the latest driver's and they haven't checked what there systems are doing so they are trashing thousands of units . first 4 i looked at have between them over 7,000 stuffed . so sorry again for blowing off steam grrrrrrrrrr

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I'm really excited by the prospect of Windows10 - NOT.


I'll wait until such time as I have to update, or am unable to obtain a legitimate copy of Windows7 Pro before moving from a very stable platform to one that is undoubtedly going to have growing pains.

In the meantime I see folks moaning about the sort of problems I expect to see on an Alpha/Beta test product. To those I say, if you aren't prepared to suffer the pain of being a tester then don't test and moan, bu wait until the released product is out, then moan like crazy, because at that point MS deserve the flack...

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