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![]() Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 ![]() |
LINK What was it that Ben Franklin once said about security and liberty...and then there's George Orwell. ![]() Account frozen... |
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Speaking of Ben... Today is Ben Franklin's 300th birthday. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin ![]() |
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NOW I'M................SPEECHLESS!!! Safer that way. ![]() I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.) |
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"It's illegal to annoy" A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language. "Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both." I"M ANNOYED! ![]() I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.) |
Whiskey ![]() Send message Joined: 5 Sep 04 Posts: 981 Credit: 640,589 RAC: 0 ![]() |
The Mayor of Noo Orleenz is in big trouble then. He has just upset every white Caucasian resident of his own city and his remarks are all over the WWW! Join the #1 UAE Team. ![]() |
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The Mayor of Noo Orleenz is in big trouble then. But Hershey and Nestle have started a massive ad campaign. |
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The Mayor of Noo Orleenz is in big trouble then. And I don't fall for his explanation that he "meant" mix chocolate with milk either. He's just trying to cover his A$$, with that crap. |-:< CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
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Luckily, this new law only applies to americans. The rest of us can still flame without revealing our true identity... ;) |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7381 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 ![]() ![]() |
Luckily, this new law only applies to americans. The rest of us can still flame without revealing our true identity... ;) We have the right to speak out against the government's actions, whatever. I predict that politicians will start claiming being annoyed by people speaking out. Can anyone spell: o p p r e s s i o n? )-:< [edit] Oh damn, I just annoyed someone.... (-:< [/edit] CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
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OK, who voted for all those a$$hole Republicans for Congress. I hope that you're happy. Of coarse, this will fight terrorism, right. I think it just might be the start of the state terrorizing it's citizens. Exercise your vote this year. To hell with Iraq, we need to defend freedom and democracy in OUR own country, i.e. America. Oops, did I just annoy someone? On moment please, I heard someone pounding on my door! Link Account frozen... |
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The Mayor of Noo Orleenz is in big trouble then. But the law only makes it illegal to annoy anonymously, so unfortunately this mayor isn't covered. The intent of this statute is already covered under state anti-stalking laws (in most states, it's called something like Harassment By Electronic Device) with language that is much more reasonable. I can see the logic of making a federal law to handle this (when someone in Wisconsin is harassing someone in Texas, whose laws apply?), but it would have been far more sensible to write it something like: The recipient of interpersonal communications of any nature shall have the right to file suit against the originator of that communication under statue(s) in force at the recipient's location or the originator's location, at the recipient's option. If the location of the originator is unknown, the recipient may file suits related to the comminication at the recipient's location with the irrevocable right to commute the suit to the originator's location, at the recipient's sole option, when the originator's location is learned. This would keep the federal government out of the business of trumping state laws. The problem is that some local government could pass an impossibly strict local ordanance and demand that the originator show up in court or face some ludicrous fine. I'm not sure if there is a simple solution to that problem, but the current attempt is incredibly bad law. No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much. ![]() |
![]() Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 ![]() |
"There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are. Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals." Harassment/Stalking is another matter entirely. We're talking about annoying here. I wouldn't even have expected an administration apologist to take a "that's OK" stand. The White House and Congress are using copies of the Constitution printed on toilet paper. But, you're right, it is an incredibly bad law, and shouldn't even make it past one of the circuit courts. If it makes it up to the current Supreme Court, heaven help us. Account frozen... |
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"We're talking about annoying here. I see two possible explanations... (1) "Annoy" is a term of art with a specific legal definition. (2) The Congressmen and Senators that passed the bill didn't read it first. I'm thinking (2). No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much. ![]() |
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[edit] Oh damn, I just annoyed someone.... (-:< [/edit]Probably. And then you forgot to sign. ;) You know, this story reminds me of when Norway got its constitution (May 17 1814). While they were discussing the paragraphs in April, the danish prince Christian Frederik - soon to be Norway's King - tried to indirectly influence the envoys to add a paragraph about prohibiting anonymous slander. He was very annoyed about people writing to newspapers anonymously and blow their top off to politicians and himself. Well, the envoys didn't include such a paragraph. And we got the 2nd most liberal constitution at the time (after USA). |
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"We're talking about annoying here. Now, Now, Now, you know our politicians would never pass a bill without reading it first... |
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"We're talking about annoying here. I hope that was sarcasm there. Ours certainly wouldn't pass one without doing so. <--- More Sarcasm Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 30 Aug 05 Posts: 452 Credit: 142,832,523 RAC: 94 ![]() ![]() |
Since annoying someone anonymouly is now a criminal offense, must the annoyed place charges against the (anonymous) annoyer to obtains " justice " or is there a third party involved, watching every message board, blog, IRC chat room and such for traces of annoying behavior ? The Annoy-MIBs if you will. That notion would entail a lot of evesdropping. Yeah, you were right to think of Orwell Dogbytes. mambo |
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Hawai‘i has a law that makes it an offense to "harass, annoy, or alarm any other person" by telephonic communication or E-mail. Most states have such a law. The federal government is acting appropriately in the context of this bill when it seeks to protect victims of domestic abuse. It is a mistake to focus on a single word and thereby condemn the whole law, especially when this is pretty standard language. |
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Hawai‘i has a law that makes it an offense to "harass, annoy, or alarm any other person" by telephonic communication or E-mail. Most states have such a law. The federal government is acting appropriately in the context of this bill when it seeks to protect victims of domestic abuse. Thank God i live in the UK, otherwise there'd be a knocking on my door. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. ![]() |
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