One more 'lovely' development from the eager minds of Microsoft.

With DaaS Windows coming, say goodbye to your PC as you know it

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One more 'lovely' development from the eager minds of Microsoft.

With DaaS Windows coming, say goodbye to your PC as you know it

Hi Keith,

I was going to mention that somewhere here, when Windows 10 was coming out, someone said we'll end up with a "pay as you go" service OS from Micro$oft. But Tut said it first. :)

All I have to say to this is: Micro$oft, my PC is MY PC. Keep you grubby meat hooks off of it!!!

I will go to Linux before I give one more red cent to Micro$oft. I just hope I can get World of Warcraft and Star Trek Online to run on Linux. Tried before and ran into too many problems. Perhaps Wine has evolved enough over these past few years. (fingers crossed) ;)

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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One more 'lovely' development from the eager minds of Microsoft.

With DaaS Windows coming, say goodbye to your PC as you know it

That was predicted very early on in this extremely long thread. Sometime back in 2015.

SaaS - Software as a Service (or as I called it, Software as a Subscription).
Example: £10 per month x12x10=£1200
Taking XP Pro as an example:
Initial RRP £135/12/10=£1.125 per month :-)

M$ isn't stupid.

Hi Sirius. I vaguely remember the comment of the "pay as you go" product back in the antiquity of Windows 10 first release. Then pretty much nothing about it since the mechanics of installing Windows 10 occupied the print services.

That editorial link I posted was the latest reminder of M$ ultimate plans. I always knew M$ wanted to monetize Windows better. Wasn't aware of what they were going to call the product.

I said goodbye to Windows last week when it blew up on me for the last time. Switched my last remaining Windows 10 machine over to Linux. Won't ever install another M$ product if/when and until they come up with something more appealing than the Windows ecosystem. I don't need Windows when there are more better substitutes and choices.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

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I knew that the moment GWX B/S started, so shutdown my Win 7 Ultimate rig. It has all the software that this rig has, so when all my win 7 rigs die or support ends for Win 7, the network will switch to Linux. The Ultimate will remain as a standalone (no network/Internet access). I like Office Pro as well as other software I use & too used to them. Quite like Mint :-)

Hi Sirius. I vaguely remember the comment of the "pay as you go" product back in the antiquity of Windows 10 first release. Then pretty much nothing about it since the mechanics of installing Windows 10 occupied the print services.

That editorial link I posted was the latest reminder of M$ ultimate plans. I always knew M$ wanted to monetize Windows better. Wasn't aware of what they were going to call the product.

If they raise the monthly "rent" cost very high it would cause a lot of people who can't afford it to bail. On the other hand, when you have a LOT of people using a product even $2-3/mo is going to generate a hugh cashflow.

Microsoft would need to prorate the currency so that it was the equivalent % of income of countries where the "average" income was the US equivalent of $1-2/day. If they didn't, they would price themselves right out of the 3rd world market.

You can turn down and in some cases off some of the intrusiveness of Windows 10.

In some ways the Microsoft OSAS (Operating System As a Service) almost resembles the Google Chromebook OS. Except Microsoft wants an income stream and Google gets their income stream from the targeted advertising (yet another intrusive activity).

So right now, at least, its still a small capital "yea" for me.

Tom

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A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association).

I dumped my Window$ phone for a Galaxy S7 about 2 weeks ago due to M$ abandoning it's customers and no longer supporting the device. The same as they're doing to Window$ PC users.

My only questions is WHY DID IT TAKE ME SO LONG?

After getting used to the Android OS I'm really pleased with the features and ease of use. Although the privacy issue with Google is a problem it's no more so than the boys and girls in Redding have made it. Besides Google already had most of that information already.

So I've cut another tie to the bloodsuckers and with every stroke I move one step further away. If they ever release an expanded Android OS for PC's and Tablets M$ is going to have some serious competition.

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I have installed the Windows 1809 upgrade on my HP Desktop with AMD A10-6700. It is working fine. The GTX 1050 Ti which used to overheat on GPUGRID tasks now seems to be working nominally. I don't know if this is only a coincidence. I haven't changed anything. No overclocking.
Tullio

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Probably because you no longer have OpenCL drivers installed. So yes, working nominally because it isn't crunching. Certainly not anymore here at Seti. The task you run at GPUGrid is CUDA.

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I have installed the Windows 1809 upgrade on my HP Desktop with AMD A10-6700. It is working fine. The GTX 1050 Ti which used to overheat on GPUGRID tasks now seems to be working nominally. I don't know if this is only a coincidence. I haven't changed anything. No overclocking.
Tullio

Further to Jord's reply ...
Remember that after M$ sends updates, you may need to check that it hasn't replaced your NVidia drivers with the ones that lack OpenCL support.
To be safest, only use drivers you have downloaded direct from the NVidia site, and you may wish to tell Win10 not to let M$ update manufacturer drivers.
Regards, Jim

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OK, I have downloaded via Geforce the latest nVidia driver and both temperature and fan speed are lower on a GPUGRID task. Wait and see. I have run both SETI@home and Einstein@home GPU tasks on that PC and they all worked. What gives problems is the SETI@home screensaver.
Tullio

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What gives problems is the SETI@home screensaver.

I can't remember the last time I ran a screen saver, let alone the Seti one.
How to Find and Set Screen Savers on Windows 10.

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Grant
Darwin NT

I have installed the Windows 1809 upgrade on my HP Desktop with AMD A10-6700. It is working fine. The GTX 1050 Ti which used to overheat on GPUGRID tasks now seems to be working nominally. I don't know if this is only a coincidence. I haven't changed anything. No overclocking.
Tullio

Further to Jord's reply ...
Remember that after M$ sends updates, you may need to check that it hasn't replaced your NVidia drivers with the ones that lack OpenCL support.
To be safest, only use drivers you have downloaded direct from the NVidia site, and you may wish to tell Win10 not to let M$ update manufacturer drivers.
Regards, Jim

Micro$oft removed the setting to stop driver updates in build 15019. We can no longer stop Micro$oft from replacing our drivers. :(

They screwed me with one a few weeks ago and I found out when trying to run World of Warcraft. Had to clean reinstall NVIDIA, less the experience crap software.

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Micro$oft removed the setting to stop driver updates in build 15019. We can no longer stop Micro$oft from replacing our drivers. :(

I have Win10- Pro and I am still able to stop drivers from updating using the Group Policy Editor.
Apparently you can do likewise with the Home edition using the Registry Editor.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Micro$oft removed the setting to stop driver updates in build 15019. We can no longer stop Micro$oft from replacing our drivers. :(

I have Win10- Pro and I am still able to stop drivers from updating using the Group Policy Editor.
Apparently you can do likewise with the Home edition using the Registry Editor.

Hi Grant,

Which version and build do you have? I have Windows 10 Pro v1803 (OS build 17134.285). I went into Local Group Policy Editor and there is no setting for stopping Micro$oft from installing their drivers. I went to the sight you linked and saw the image of LGPE and they show a great deal more settings than I do. They show 29, I have 3. I have 1 setting that will absolutely stop Windows Updates in their tracks: no going to the update website and no automatic updates. The other 2 just deal with the Shut Down Windows dialog box and the 'Install Updates and Shut Down' option. That article image is from a much older version of Windows 10 Pro than what I currently have. So unless I can magically add something that Micro$oft has removed, I cannot stop them from messing with my drivers. :(

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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Actually, I found a way to prevent drivers from being updated. Big catch, you cannot update the drivers either. You can use a different section of gpedit.msc to do this. Thing is, you have to undo what you do to update the device driver yourself and then redo the hack to stop the updates again. It's a long drawn out process to do either. I won't be doing it. It's much easier to just re-install the video device driver after Micro$oft has screwed it up. Or whatever device driver...
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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

After updating my nVidia driver to 411.70 via Geforce my GTX 1050 Ti completed and validate a GPUGRID task giving me 110400 credits. Temperature was 73 C, fan 57%. It works!
Tullio

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Some things in group policy and other areas are there but only work in the corporate version.

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I have installed the Windows 1809 upgrade on my HP Desktop with AMD A10-6700. It is working fine. The GTX 1050 Ti which used to overheat on GPUGRID tasks now seems to be working nominally. I don't know if this is only a coincidence. I haven't changed anything. No overclocking.
Tullio

Further to Jord's reply ...
Remember that after M$ sends updates, you may need to check that it hasn't replaced your NVidia drivers with the ones that lack OpenCL support.
To be safest, only use drivers you have downloaded direct from the NVidia site, and you may wish to tell Win10 not to let M$ update manufacturer drivers.
Regards, Jim

Micro$oft removed the setting to stop driver updates in build 15019. We can no longer stop Micro$oft from replacing our drivers. :(

They screwed me with one a few weeks ago and I found out when trying to run World of Warcraft. Had to clean reinstall NVIDIA, less the experience crap software.

Siran

Must depend on version. I'm on 17134 Pro, and just checked and reset it the other day.

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I have installed the Windows 1809 upgrade on my HP Desktop with AMD A10-6700. It is working fine. The GTX 1050 Ti which used to overheat on GPUGRID tasks now seems to be working nominally. I don't know if this is only a coincidence. I haven't changed anything. No overclocking.
Tullio

Further to Jord's reply ...
Remember that after M$ sends updates, you may need to check that it hasn't replaced your NVidia drivers with the ones that lack OpenCL support.
To be safest, only use drivers you have downloaded direct from the NVidia site, and you may wish to tell Win10 not to let M$ update manufacturer drivers.
Regards, Jim

Micro$oft removed the setting to stop driver updates in build 15019. We can no longer stop Micro$oft from replacing our drivers. :(

They screwed me with one a few weeks ago and I found out when trying to run World of Warcraft. Had to clean reinstall NVIDIA, less the experience crap software.

Siran

Must depend on version. I'm on 17134 Pro, and just checked and reset it the other day.

Hi Jim,

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle. I found the setting in group policy editor. AND!!! Some time ago I enabled it so that it will NOT download and install device drivers. AND!!! Yet I got a crappy POS video driver from Micro$oft a few weeks ago. What they removed was the setting in settings to disable that. So that is why they tell us we cannot do a class action suit against them. They can pull this crap and get away with it. :(

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

I think I might just have a solution, if we can get enough people that actually _want_ to run Windows, and are willing to put a little of their money where their mouth is. I know that there is that special volume license version, which pretty much runs like Windows used to back in the good ol' days, where you had control of pretty much everything, and doesn't have crap like Alexa or whatever, no Candy Crush, NSA tracking, forced 'upgrades' and all the other assorted BS that W10 has introduced to the masses.

So, start some type of nonprofit (might have to be some sort of charity, don't remember exactly the stipulations of the cheapest licenses) corporation (to keep the license costs down to a minimum), and order whatever the minimum number of seats that you can and still be considered that volume license. Then each person could be a remote 'employee', with their own licensed copy. Yes, it completely and absolutely Sucks to have to actually _pay_ for Windows every year, but I've been pretty certain that that is the direction they have been working towards for years now. This way at least it would come in a form that would be tolerable for those of us who care about actually being able to have total control over our software, not the other way around.

Just tossing it out as a pie in the sky idea. And it's actually totally insane that a company would make you go to such extreme measures just to be able to control your own software in a way that works for you. We're living in Crazy Times, that's for sure.

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