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Message 1843197 - Posted: 20 Jan 2017, 11:04:56 UTC

End of servicing for Windows 10, version 1507

With the availability of Windows 10, version 1607 to the VLSC on January 26th, the 60-day grace period for Windows 10, version 1507 will begin. That means, after March 26th, 2017, Windows 10, version 1507 will no longer be serviced as only the two most Current Branch for Business (CBB) versions are actively serviced.

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Message 1844268 - Posted: 25 Jan 2017, 8:05:34 UTC

We ALL can relate to this...

Microsoft won't fix the most frustrating thing about Windows
Commentary: The worst feature of Windows 10 is automatic updates -- even when you're in the middle of something.


Maybe you're delivering a presentation to a huge audience. Maybe you're taking an online test. Maybe you just need to get some work done on a tight deadline.

Windows doesn't care.

Windows will take control of your computer, force-feed it updates, and flip the reset switch automatically -- and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, once it gets started.

If you haven't saved your work, it's gone. Your browser tabs are toast. And don't expect to use your computer again soon; depending on the speed of your drive and the size of the update, it could be anywhere from 10 minutes to well over an hour before your PC is ready for work.


As far as I'm concerned, it's the single worst thing about Windows. It's only gotten worse in Windows 10. And when I poked around Microsoft, the overarching message I received was that Microsoft has no interest in fixing it.

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Message 1844272 - Posted: 25 Jan 2017, 8:19:56 UTC - in response to Message 1844268.  

We ALL can relate to this...

Not me.
I'm running WIn10 Pro, and after updating it lets me select a time for it to reboot & finish installing the updates if I don't want to do it then.
*shrug*
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Message 1844282 - Posted: 25 Jan 2017, 9:51:59 UTC - in response to Message 1844272.  

We ALL can relate to this...

Not me.
I'm running WIn10 Pro, and after updating it lets me select a time for it to reboot & finish installing the updates if I don't want to do it then.
*shrug*

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Message 1845852 - Posted: 1 Feb 2017, 23:53:41 UTC
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New bit of M$ nonsense.
All 5 boxes here interact for some tasks, and since these are scheduled (non-SETI) tasks it is expected that time & date will be correct to keep them from stepping on each other. Been having some issues and discovered the following:
1) While Internet Time Update remains enabled, all machines have been changed from time.nist.gov to time.windows.com, and
2) The current time on 2 of 5 boxes was incorrect.
So I live 6 miles as the bird flies from the NIST facility, and I'm gonna go to Redmond for my time?
Right.
And M$ made this change without my knowledge or consent for what reason?
FYI, one of the 5 boxes is Win 7, not 10.
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Message 1845874 - Posted: 2 Feb 2017, 2:39:09 UTC - in response to Message 1845852.  

New bit of M$ nonsense.
All 5 boxes here interact for some tasks, and since these are scheduled (non-SETI) tasks it is expected that time & date will be correct to keep them from stepping on each other. Been having some issues and discovered the following:
1) While Internet Time Update remains enabled, all machines have been changed from time.nist.gov to time.windows.com, and
2) The current time on 2 of 5 boxes was incorrect.
So I live 6 miles as the bird flies from the NIST facility, and I'm gonna go to Redmond for my time?
Right.
And M$ made this change without my knowledge or consent for what reason?
FYI, one of the 5 boxes is Win 7, not 10.

Often settings get set to factory default when updates are applied. This isn't new and has been going on since at least XP.
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Message 1845878 - Posted: 2 Feb 2017, 3:38:13 UTC

Just replaced my dead Iconia tablet with a M$ Surface PRO 3. It was supposed to be loaded with Win 8.1 but arrived with 10...............Grrrrrrrrr. Well I'll just have to be careful with what info is on it. I've been using a WinPhone for a year so they've already got the basics of my life.

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Message 1846129 - Posted: 3 Feb 2017, 10:28:06 UTC
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I thought I had driver updates disabled through O&O Shutup. On my E8500 cpu computer I got an Update status:


Updates are available

·nVidia - Other hardware - NVIDIA GeForce GT 240.

We'll automatically install updates when you aren't using your device, or you can install them now if you want.


Ok I set BOINC to not restart when my computer reboots so I can put the correct driver back in place and not lose OpenCL work again.

The GT 240 has not been in this computer since November. It currently has a GTX 550ti.
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Message 1846899 - Posted: 5 Feb 2017, 22:05:34 UTC

M$ creates unknown depths in the cesspool of unethical behavior, disdain and contempt towards users of its products.
Windows 10 DRM exposes Tor users
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Message 1846914 - Posted: 5 Feb 2017, 23:14:24 UTC - in response to Message 1846899.  

M$ creates unknown depths in the cesspool of unethical behavior, disdain and contempt towards users of its products.
Windows 10 DRM exposes Tor users

Except of course that if you actually read the article, and some very pointed comments in response to it, it becomes clear that this is a deceptive headline that has nothing new, and little relationship to the actual article or the facts ....
Looks to me like at about 4:59 pm on deadline day, Farrell needed a quick article about why Linux is great and Windows sucks and, voila, recycled something that's been around since 2005. Sheesh!
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Message 1847714 - Posted: 10 Feb 2017, 5:58:05 UTC

My wife's laptop died and the one that we replaced it with has Win 10 and we both HATE it!!!

I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)
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Message 1847719 - Posted: 10 Feb 2017, 6:07:34 UTC - in response to Message 1847714.  

I'm in the same boat Jim, replaced my tablet with a Surface Pro(that was advertised as loaded with 8.1 but on arrival it had 10.

NOT a fan.

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Message 1850354 - Posted: 21 Feb 2017, 4:17:23 UTC

I read through the article and still do NOT trust M$.........
From ZDNet >
Windows 10 telemetry secrets: Where, when, and why Microsoft collects your data
How does Windows 10 telemetry really work? It's not a state secret. I've gone through the documentation and sorted out the where, when, and why. If you're concerned about private documents accidentally leaving your network, you might want to turn the telemetry setting down.

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Message 1850715 - Posted: 23 Feb 2017, 6:00:48 UTC

Anyone have their Windows 10 computer update their video drivers without your supervision? This is on a system where driver updates are forbidden. I just discovered my Windows 10 system seems to have updated the Nvidia drivers from 372.54 to 376.53 all on its own on February 8. I thought this was supposed to incur disaster with BOINC because Microsoft doesn't ship OpenCL enabled drivers. This is not what apparently happened on my system. It has been crunching without errors all this time. OpenCL drivers are installed by Microsoft on that date. Has Microsoft changed their Nvidia driver updates to include OpenCL now. I have been following this thread loosely and everything so far has indicated if you let Microsoft automatically install new video drivers, either AMD or Nvidia, you will lose your OpenCL implementations. Comments.
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Message 1850727 - Posted: 23 Feb 2017, 6:39:14 UTC - in response to Message 1850715.  
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Anyone have their Windows 10 computer update their video drivers without your supervision? This is on a system where driver updates are forbidden. I just discovered my Windows 10 system seems to have updated the Nvidia drivers from 372.54 to 376.53 all on its own on February 8. I thought this was supposed to incur disaster with BOINC because Microsoft doesn't ship OpenCL enabled drivers. This is not what apparently happened on my system. It has been crunching without errors all this time. OpenCL drivers are installed by Microsoft on that date. Has Microsoft changed their Nvidia driver updates to include OpenCL now. I have been following this thread loosely and everything so far has indicated if you let Microsoft automatically install new video drivers, either AMD or Nvidia, you will lose your OpenCL implementations. Comments.

You really need Win10 Pro to fully stop that stupidity (home will only delay the eventual update). :-(

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Message 1850728 - Posted: 23 Feb 2017, 7:30:29 UTC - in response to Message 1850715.  
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Anyone have their Windows 10 computer update their video drivers without your supervision? This is on a system where driver updates are forbidden. I just discovered my Windows 10 system seems to have updated the Nvidia drivers from 372.54 to 376.53 all on its own on February 8. I thought this was supposed to incur disaster with BOINC because Microsoft doesn't ship OpenCL enabled drivers. This is not what apparently happened on my system. It has been crunching without errors all this time. OpenCL drivers are installed by Microsoft on that date. Has Microsoft changed their Nvidia driver updates to include OpenCL now. I have been following this thread loosely and everything so far has indicated if you let Microsoft automatically install new video drivers, either AMD or Nvidia, you will lose your OpenCL implementations. Comments.

Yep, M$ pushed 376.53 to all 5 of my boxes, 4xWin10 and 1xWin7. However, the 376.53 versions pushed did have OpenCL and there was no problem, unlike the first time a few months ago when they pushed a version that lacked any OpenCL. When I opened a ticket with NVidia on that issue they told me it was an error, and that OpenCL should be included. So I have to assume that was a one-off error.
On one machine, I rolled back to a previous version while troubleshooting an issue, and M$ re-upgraded it the next day. Guess I no longer have any control on either Win 7 or Win10. Annoying.
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Message 1850737 - Posted: 23 Feb 2017, 8:42:41 UTC

Thanks for the reply Jimbocous. Explains why things didn't go kaboom! How did M$ force the update on the Win 7 box though? Did you have automatic updates on in that box? I see the Nvidia 376.53 update in my Optional Updates list now. I have my Win 7 boxes set to inform me about Updates but let me decide what to do. My Win 7 boxes are still on the manually installed driver I put in myself.

I see that the old KB2952664 has made a re-appearance also. Says it doesn't have the old GWX or Upgrade Capability in it anymore though. Looks like it installs the telemetry for the Windows CEIP system again. Its going back to Hide status again.
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Message 1850769 - Posted: 23 Feb 2017, 14:07:53 UTC

How did M$ force the update on the Win 7 box though?
"We control the horizontal. We control the vertical. We will not return control of the computer to you because it's OURS!".........sincerely Micro$oft.

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Message 1850773 - Posted: 23 Feb 2017, 14:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 1850769.  

"We control the horizontal. We control the vertical. We will not return control of the computer to you because it's OURS!".........sincerely Micro$oft.


Only if you let them through the setings , Microsoft never have updated any of my drivers on any of my machines , and i run win 7
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Message 1850792 - Posted: 23 Feb 2017, 16:36:39 UTC

I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned in this thread, but you should give O&O ShutUp10 a try. I use it on both Windows Pro and Home, and it can be configures to stop automatic driver updates, among other things. https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
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