A bit of 'positive' advertising for IE8 from Tom's Hardware:

IE8: Your Behavior Made It Better : Internet Explorer 8 Features: By The Numbers

An interesting spin on their line of development effort... All for 'real' or partly an effort to show that they 'care'?

(So why was there no IE development for quite a few years once Netscape had been destroyed?...)

One of the comments there:

mitch074 04/01/2009 10:05 AM

IE 8 is faster than IE 7 in all cases, except where it counts: in opening new tabs (effectively starting a new IE process, and all attached ActiveX modules with it). This is a known design deficience that Google worked around in Chrome by using Webkit (arguably the lightest and fastest HTML/CSS parsing and rendering engine out there), and that Firefox and IE 7 don't encounter because all tabs are kept inside the same process.

However, I personally stay with Firefox for several reasons: it's actually pretty hard to go and crash it on purpose, and when that DOES happen, Firefox's session restore has until now never failed me (right down to lengthy texts typed in a textbox being restored to the last character) - so, tab isolation isn't that useful for me.

Next, although IE 8 comes with vastly improved developer tools (from a meaningless Jscript error message box to a Firebug clone), Firefox still comes with better developer tools.

Then, Firefox doesn't focus on this or that trendy piece of code's acceleration (IE 8 focused on rendering the 20 most used websites fast), but on all of them.

Last, and that's probably what counts most for me, Firefox runs on all my machines natively: be it Windows 2000 to Seven, or Mac OS X or GNU/Linux, I can take my Firefox profile and port it from one machine to the next. On the other hand, taking an IE 8 'profile' and porting it to a Windows 2000 machine doesn't work (no IE 8 on Windows 2000), moving it from an XP machine to a Vista one is bound to create bugs, and moving off-Windows is a no-go.

Cheers,
Martin

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. . . regarding 'my' experience w/ IE8 - keep sending Reports to MS whenever there's an ERROR - it'll get fixed sooner DOH!!!

and, at ALL costs - Download - Secunia Personal Software Inspector (PSI) <---- click me

> scan your system - the likelyhood of OLD JAVA [Sun] Programs / Apps being on your system is a problem - this PSI will identify the previous versions - AND, if it doesn't get rid of 'em after the first couple of scans - REMOVE the OLDER versions [as in v4 - 5.x etc] and keep the new v6.x of Java - well, just read the notices on the site - you'll get it . . .

All in All - IE8 does work well, comparatively . . .

oh, and btw - shut down all programs BEFORE scanning - THOUGH, You DON'T have to turn off Security / Firewall Systems - PSI works w/ and is compatible w/

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BOINC Wiki . . .

Science Status Page . . .

Lastly, I like the Zoom feature in the bottom right hand corner of the browser. I know Firefox has a zoom feature too, but its handier to have in the corner, IMO. When I install IE8 onto my HTPC connected to my big screen TV, it will be much easier to read and scale the browser with that tool instead of having to use the View drop-down menu in Firefox.

I don't know how IE8 zooms since I am a fanatic Linux user, but remembering IE7 it was terrible. When you zoom in IE7, also with CTRL-mousewheel, everything got bigger and the text would disappear out of the visible area.
In FF when you zoom, the fonts get bigger, but the frames stay the same so all text is still visible which is a whole better than the MS way.

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Lastly, I like the Zoom feature in the bottom right hand corner of the browser. I know Firefox has a zoom feature too, but its handier to have in the corner, IMO. When I install IE8 onto my HTPC connected to my big screen TV, it will be much easier to read and scale the browser with that tool instead of having to use the View drop-down menu in Firefox.

I don't know how IE8 zooms since I am a fanatic Linux user, but remembering IE7 it was terrible. When you zoom in IE7, also with CTRL-mousewheel, everything got bigger and the text would disappear out of the visible area.
In FF when you zoom, the fonts get bigger, but the frames stay the same so all text is still visible which is a whole better than the MS way.

I second that. My first experience with IE7 was at work when IE7 was approved for deployment through WSUS. I accidentally did ctrl+scrollwheel and noticed that frames and pictures and everything got huge and was just unreadable.

FF just makes the fonts on the text bigger. Much more usable.

Still no experience with IE8 though, so I can't speak for that.

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do not have FF so i can´t say how it zoom, but IE8 zoom as it should, and you can zoom as much you like and it is readable.

Lastly, I like the Zoom feature in the bottom right hand corner of the browser. I know Firefox has a zoom feature too, but its handier to have in the corner, IMO. When I install IE8 onto my HTPC connected to my big screen TV, it will be much easier to read and scale the browser with that tool instead of having to use the View drop-down menu in Firefox.

I don't know how IE8 zooms since I am a fanatic Linux user, but remembering IE7 it was terrible. When you zoom in IE7, also with CTRL-mousewheel, everything got bigger and the text would disappear out of the visible area.
In FF when you zoom, the fonts get bigger, but the frames stay the same so all text is still visible which is a whole better than the MS way.

This seems to have changed with IE8. I've been using IE8 on my HTPC, and the fonts are the only thing enlarged. It works quite well actually.

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Best use the old thread. IE8 is now an automatic update through Windows Update. Luckily I do those updates by hand, so I did get the question if I wanted to install it -- No. :-)

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I just updated to IE8.

I am not really what you would call an 'intense' user and, generally, I use FF anyway, but I've not had any problems with IE8, thus far.

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Albert Einstein

All in all you're just another ... in the net

chick?

thick?

flick?

mnemonic?

3 out of 4 just go click. ;)

Yes I upgraded to IE 8, Although FF3 is still My default browser as spyware likes to get into cookies.sqlite and to get them out of there either I run AVG 8.5 and do a reboot of the PC or I just make a backup copy and so that IE7/8 is started, Otherwise the spyware won't let IE7 bootup, Instead of letters(web addresses one sees an ip address instead and the ip address never loads and I need IE8 for Windows Update). :D

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Sorry, just saw that I typed the same things some time ago already.
Please consider this item as deleted, which it is.

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All in all you're just another ... in the net

chick?

thick?

flick?

mnemonic?

3 out of 4 just go click. ;)

Very good!

My cynicism still prefers the statistic bit :-( Marketing is definitely getting ever more overtly intrusive as more and ever more details of our every move are getting collated and used. Makes phishing look to be stone-age clumsy.

Telephone 'wire tapping' is frowned upon, and yet your every internet click is recorded in various ways... (Cookies, web page advertisements, Google, Microsoft, and more recently "deep packet inspection" by ISPs... AND then there are the more clumsy efforts by various malware...)

Yes I upgraded to IE 8, Although FF3 is still My default browser as spyware likes to get into cookies.sqlite and to get them out of there either I run AVG 8.5 and do a reboot of the PC or I just make a backup copy and so that IE7/8 is started, Otherwise the spyware won't let IE7 bootup, Instead of letters(web addresses one sees an ip address instead and the ip address never loads and I need IE8 for Windows Update). :D

I find it very worrying that you use the same web browser to update the OS as you use for general web surfing... Huge exposure there!


There's still Confickr loitering with unknown intent...

For the paranoid or the mere conscientious, there's a very good and simple web browser test to see if you have been 'infected'. The web page just displays a selection of six icons for three 'security' sites that Confickr blocks and for three other sites that Confickr ignores. Very simple and cool and a good quick visual check. It's also a very clean simple page anyone can clearly understand.

Good luck,
Martin

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I've installed IE8. I don't like it any better than IE7 or FF.

My default browser will continue to be SlimBrowser. Being based on the IE engine, I can use most IE add-ons and toolbars. It may crash from time to time when you have more than a dozen opened tabs (currently 17 sites in my default group open), but, it has complete flexibility in toolbar, menu, tabs, and address bar positioning. By assigning short alias to be displayed on open website's tabs, I can have a dozen tabs on one line. With the two features mentioned, it eats up lot less of my viewing real estate than IE or FF. There are a lot more things I like about it which I won't get into.

I can't stand IE8. It takes about 5 times longer to load, the recent history pulldown menu now has a "delete" icon exactly where I normally click to select a site, so IE8 deletes it from my list. MS Search and MS this and MS that are all pushed on you and you need to opt out.

It gives the impression of trying way too hard to fix something that was not broken.

Is Microsoft really this afraid of Google?

Well, yes they are afraid of anybody that has a larger presense then themselves.

Personally, I haven't had those issues with IE8. I installed using the "custom" option and turned off anything I didn't want, and selected Google as my default search provider. Nothing MS has been shoved down my throat on my installs.

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All in all you're just another ... in the net

chick?

thick?

flick?

mnemonic?

3 out of 4 just go click. ;)

Very good!

My cynicism still prefers the statistic bit :-( Marketing is definitely getting ever more overtly intrusive as more and ever more details of our every move are getting collated and used. Makes phishing look to be stone-age clumsy.

Telephone 'wire tapping' is frowned upon, and yet your every internet click is recorded in various ways... (Cookies, web page advertisements, Google, Microsoft, and more recently "deep packet inspection" by ISPs... AND then there are the more clumsy efforts by various malware...)

Yes I upgraded to IE 8, Although FF3 is still My default browser as spyware likes to get into cookies.sqlite and to get them out of there either I run AVG 8.5 and do a reboot of the PC or I just make a backup copy and so that IE7/8 is started, Otherwise the spyware won't let IE7 bootup, Instead of letters(web addresses one sees an ip address instead and the ip address never loads and I need IE8 for Windows Update). :D

I find it very worrying that you use the same web browser to update the OS as you use for general web surfing... Huge exposure there!


There's still Confickr loitering with unknown intent...

For the paranoid or the mere conscientious, there's a very good and simple web browser test to see if you have been 'infected'. The web page just displays a selection of six icons for three 'security' sites that Confickr blocks and for three other sites that Confickr ignores. Very simple and cool and a good quick visual check. It's also a very clean simple page anyone can clearly understand.

Good luck,
Martin

Actually I use FF3 to browse the web, IE8 is mainly for Windows Update or difficult websites.

Nope I'm fine as I get this:

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I can't stand IE8. It takes about 5 times longer to load,

Not sure why.
I'm quite surprised to find it's quicker to load pages than IE7 was, and takes about the same time to actually start up (stuff all).

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Grant
Darwin NT

OK OzzFan and Grant, I guess it is time for me to admit that a 3 year old dual-AMD Opteron system on a server board in a tower case with an obsolete 3ware RAID card might not be the exact centroid of the target demographic for latest OPSYS releases.

All the components were originally purchased on eBay, used. All the vendors had at least 50% positive feedback. How could there possibly be a problem on my end? ;)

I feel Newegg tugging at my credit card.

Bob

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I have got this and have noticed that my font looked bigger. Can anyone explain this? I have gone into view and my font is exactly as I left it, could it be the encoding have tried both windows and UTF-8 and they look the same, help please

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I have got this and have noticed that my font looked bigger. Can anyone explain this? I have gone into view and my font is exactly as I left it, could it be the encoding have tried both windows and UTF-8 and they look the same, help please

I noticed something similar.
Down the bottom Right Hand corner, check that the magnification is set to 100% (I found when i upgraded it somehow went upto 125%). I then had to set the text size to Larger (i'd always used Medium- View, Text size).

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Grant
Darwin NT

Earlier, I complained about the sluggish behvior of IE8 on my system. I suspected it was a compatibility issue with my hardware. I was wrong.

The extreme slowness came from a list of 10,000 entries in my restricted sites list. Such a list is deposited on your computer by some protection software, such as Spyware Blaster or Spybot S&D. I had used Spybot in the past, and after using the immunization feature, it places approximately 10,000 entries in the restricted sites list.

IE8 falters on this long list, making initial load or tab loads very slow. MS might fix this in the future. Until then, download the following small program, place it in a folder on your computer, right click on it, and select the "install" option. Nothing will show on your screen. The program runs and deletes the list of restricted sites.

Here is the program: deldomains.inf

Bob

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