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Message 757029 - Posted: 22 May 2008, 22:10:27 UTC

$3.97 per Regular Unleaded


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Message 757205 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 5:52:35 UTC

The cheapest around here hit $4 today. Up 13 cents in two days.
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Message 757225 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 8:04:40 UTC

Anyone seen signs of UK websites for HHO kits for diesels?
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Message 757243 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 9:57:09 UTC - in response to Message 757225.  

Anyone seen signs of UK websites for HHO kits for diesels?


Not right off hand, but there are some on eBay.
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Message 757322 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 14:30:27 UTC - in response to Message 757243.  

Anyone seen signs of UK websites for HHO kits for diesels?


Not right off hand, but there are some on eBay.



Yes! Just been nosing around eBay and seen 16 on offer.

It's all a bit confusing just now as I only started looking in to HHO kits late yesterday evening. I need time to read up and understand the various optiond, from a 1 cell or 2 cell kit to ones containing numerous components (including the electrolysis cell(s)).

Other points I need to get clear in my mind is the siting and attachment to a diesel 4x4 (SUV to US colleagues). There may be issues as all the kits on offer are US based, and there are very few diesel cars. So, this is an issue I need to address.

All this before bidding.
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Message 757379 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 18:28:44 UTC - in response to Message 757322.  

i've had to buy a lock for my geo..... people are siphoning......whats this world coming to????
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Message 757410 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 19:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 757322.  

Anyone seen signs of UK websites for HHO kits for diesels?


Not right off hand, but there are some on eBay.



Yes! Just been nosing around eBay and seen 16 on offer.

It's all a bit confusing just now as I only started looking in to HHO kits late yesterday evening. I need time to read up and understand the various optiond, from a 1 cell or 2 cell kit to ones containing numerous components (including the electrolysis cell(s)).

Other points I need to get clear in my mind is the siting and attachment to a diesel 4x4 (SUV to US colleagues). There may be issues as all the kits on offer are US based, and there are very few diesel cars. So, this is an issue I need to address.

All this before bidding.


There will still be lots of them available on eBay after you do the math. I copied the following from one of the websites Browns Gas promoting the water4gas technology. "If your vehicle has a oxygen sensor and you use the AIR-INTAKE system you need to install a lambda (EFIE) control otherwise no fuel savings at all. Air-intake Browns Gas fuel savers work very good for DIESEL engines. Expect 25% or more savings. BIO-diesel gives the best results by far. This is why BG savers are highly recommended for trucks. Use at least a 120 liter/hour generator." Smaller vehicles can get away with much much smaller HHO generators.
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Message 757443 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 20:53:50 UTC - in response to Message 757379.  

whats this world coming to????

Do you really want someone to answer that... ;)
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Message 757474 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 21:58:14 UTC - in response to Message 757410.  

Anyone seen signs of UK websites for HHO kits for diesels?


Not right off hand, but there are some on eBay.



Yes! Just been nosing around eBay and seen 16 on offer.

It's all a bit confusing just now as I only started looking in to HHO kits late yesterday evening. I need time to read up and understand the various optiond, from a 1 cell or 2 cell kit to ones containing numerous components (including the electrolysis cell(s)).

Other points I need to get clear in my mind is the siting and attachment to a diesel 4x4 (SUV to US colleagues). There may be issues as all the kits on offer are US based, and there are very few diesel cars. So, this is an issue I need to address.

All this before bidding.


There will still be lots of them available on eBay after you do the math. I copied the following from one of the websites Browns Gas promoting the water4gas technology. "If your vehicle has a oxygen sensor and you use the AIR-INTAKE system you need to install a lambda (EFIE) control otherwise no fuel savings at all.

Air-intake Browns Gas fuel savers work very good for DIESEL engines. Expect 25% or more savings. BIO-diesel gives the best results by far. This is why BG savers are highly recommended for trucks. Use at least a 120 liter/hour generator." Smaller vehicles can get away with much much smaller HHO generators.



That is one of several issues I need to read up on, and do some background work to settle my mind before bidding.

I know my diesel has a mass airflow sensor, which is linked to fueling. What I am not sure is if this is the same as the oxygen sensor you refer to.
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Message 757477 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 22:00:46 UTC - in response to Message 757474.  

Anyone seen signs of UK websites for HHO kits for diesels?


Not right off hand, but there are some on eBay.



Yes! Just been nosing around eBay and seen 16 on offer.

It's all a bit confusing just now as I only started looking in to HHO kits late yesterday evening. I need time to read up and understand the various optiond, from a 1 cell or 2 cell kit to ones containing numerous components (including the electrolysis cell(s)).

Other points I need to get clear in my mind is the siting and attachment to a diesel 4x4 (SUV to US colleagues). There may be issues as all the kits on offer are US based, and there are very few diesel cars. So, this is an issue I need to address.

All this before bidding.


There will still be lots of them available on eBay after you do the math. I copied the following from one of the websites Browns Gas promoting the water4gas technology. "If your vehicle has a oxygen sensor and you use the AIR-INTAKE system you need to install a lambda (EFIE) control otherwise no fuel savings at all.

Air-intake Browns Gas fuel savers work very good for DIESEL engines. Expect 25% or more savings. BIO-diesel gives the best results by far. This is why BG savers are highly recommended for trucks. Use at least a 120 liter/hour generator." Smaller vehicles can get away with much much smaller HHO generators.



That is one of several issues I need to read up on, and do some background work to settle my mind before bidding.

I know my diesel has a mass airflow sensor, which is linked to fueling. What I am not sure is if this is the same as the oxygen sensor you refer to.


The MAF sensor measures air density, flow and temperature coming into the engine. The oxygen sensor measures exhaust oxygen.

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Message 757481 - Posted: 23 May 2008, 22:06:10 UTC - in response to Message 757477.  
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Anyone seen signs of UK websites for HHO kits for diesels?


Not right off hand, but there are some on eBay.



Yes! Just been nosing around eBay and seen 16 on offer.

It's all a bit confusing just now as I only started looking in to HHO kits late yesterday evening. I need time to read up and understand the various options, from a 1 cell or 2 cell kit to ones containing numerous components (including the electrolysis cell(s)).

Other points I need to get clear in my mind is the siting and attachment to a diesel 4x4 (SUV to US colleagues). There may be issues as all the kits on offer are US based, and there are very few diesel cars. So, this is an issue I need to address.

All this before bidding.


There will still be lots of them available on eBay after you do the math. I copied the following from one of the websites Browns Gas promoting the water4gas technology. "If your vehicle has a oxygen sensor and you use the AIR-INTAKE system you need to install a lambda (EFIE) control otherwise no fuel savings at all.

Air-intake Browns Gas fuel savers work very good for DIESEL engines. Expect 25% or more savings. BIO-diesel gives the best results by far. This is why BG savers are highly recommended for trucks. Use at least a 120 liter/hour generator." Smaller vehicles can get away with much much smaller HHO generators.



That is one of several issues I need to read up on, and do some background work to settle my mind before bidding.

I know my diesel has a mass airflow sensor, which is linked to fueling. What I am not sure is if this is the same as the oxygen sensor you refer to.


The MAF sensor measures air density, flow and temperature coming into the engine. The oxygen sensor measures exhaust oxygen.


As far as I am aware oxygen sensors in the exhaust are only used for petrol engines. Diesels, especially common rail ones, only have NOx sensors at the exhaust side, and this is used to control the EGR valve.

If I am right, and I use the obvious air intake method, then I will not have an issue with fuelling. But I really need to check this out (another issue).

In petrol engines, which are not lean burn, the air to fuel ratio is regulated air 14.7:1 to give a stoichiometric burn. The balance is to have sufficient oxygen with the fuel to ignite the fuel-air mix, and sustain the burn, whilst not running rich. There is no butterfly throttle control on the intake side.

In diesels the air is always much in excess to the fuel, so the oxygen in the exhaust will always be in excess, so no sensor is needed.
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Message 757770 - Posted: 24 May 2008, 12:48:13 UTC

Well, I've done a bit of shopping today and on my way out of Tesco, I paid £1.139 per litre, for unleaded - if I'd bought fuel, a mile before I got there, I could have got it for a whole £0.01 per litre cheaper! Fortunately, my trusty Honda Legend 2.7 is not as bad for fuel consumption, as one might think. Most of my driving is 'urban' (mainly 30 mph and 40 mph limits and lots of traffic) but it returns around 25 mpg in that use. Cruising at about 70 mph (err, well, it is around that speed +/- an unspecified figure) on a trip to Devon, its more like 37 mpg. My 1978 Suzuki GS750EN used to do worse than that, until I modified it. As for my old 'production race spec engine' Honda 250..... it originally ran on 5 star petrol (I think thats 102 Octane) due to a 10.5:1 c/r and if not for Octane Boosters, might have made an interesting ornament, from a by-gone age.

A cynical observation would be, that since Iraq was 'liberated', the price of fuel has actually been more volatile, due to 'security issues'. Make of that, what you will....
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Message 757777 - Posted: 24 May 2008, 13:36:34 UTC - in response to Message 757015.  

Currently, there is very little being done in the U.S., as far as crude oil exploration drilling, or drilling in proven fields. There hasn't been a serious refinery built here in about 30 years.


When are they going to bring in all the environmentalists that have prevented us from drilling and building refineries in front of the Senate like they did the oil execs?


Yes..God forbid we all try to live in a more sustainable manner and use less energy.
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Message 758090 - Posted: 25 May 2008, 1:54:06 UTC - in response to Message 757777.  

Currently, there is very little being done in the U.S., as far as crude oil exploration drilling, or drilling in proven fields. There hasn't been a serious refinery built here in about 30 years.


When are they going to bring in all the environmentalists that have prevented us from drilling and building refineries in front of the Senate like they did the oil execs?


Yes..God forbid we all try to live in a more sustainable manner and use less energy.



What is the UK Gov. doing about the High Fuel Prices?

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Message 758125 - Posted: 25 May 2008, 2:53:49 UTC - in response to Message 757777.  

Currently, there is very little being done in the U.S., as far as crude oil exploration drilling, or drilling in proven fields. There hasn't been a serious refinery built here in about 30 years.


When are they going to bring in all the environmentalists that have prevented us from drilling and building refineries in front of the Senate like they did the oil execs?


Yes..God forbid we all try to live in a more sustainable manner and use less energy.


I guess my point was, that here in the US, the supply infrastructure has not kept up with the demand. This in turn drives the prices up.
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Message 758181 - Posted: 25 May 2008, 5:32:54 UTC - in response to Message 758125.  

the supply infrastructure has not kept up with the demand. This in turn drives the prices up.

No wonder companies like to employ worthless people... Production goes down, profits go up... Imagine THAT! ;)
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Message 758233 - Posted: 25 May 2008, 10:55:19 UTC - in response to Message 758090.  



What is the UK Gov. doing about the High Fuel Prices?



Err, nothing. Well, that's if you exclude the fact that they are actually putting up fuel duty making the problem of higher prices even worse!

Diesel is £1.33/Litre here now (£6 a gallon or approx $12).

It's financially killing many of us and making the cost of living go through the roof. It's obviously having an impact on the cost of food and services now too. Transport costs have risen dramatically, so just about everything else has risen in response.

Still, as long as the Government get their cut to pay their ridiculous wages and "expenses" bills I guess they are comfortable with the situation as they have made no attempt at all to help the public or industry, fuel subsidies for hauliers & public transport would be a good start, but I don't run the country so what would I know?

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Message 758349 - Posted: 25 May 2008, 15:26:34 UTC - in response to Message 758346.  







The price of VPower looks impressive.

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Message 758350 - Posted: 25 May 2008, 15:29:03 UTC - in response to Message 758349.  







The price of VPower looks impressive.

Just the opec cartel laughing at ya..........
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