For all you upgraders out there!
I came upon this http://bink.nu/Article6247.bink article recently and I thought it interesting to know how Microsoft(tm) are about to treat those of us who upgrade there systems.
It would appear that Microsft is not just happy to control you software upgardes but now it wants to inhibit your hardware upgrades aswell!

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For all you upgraders out there!
I came upon this http://bink.nu/Article6247.bink article recently and I thought it interesting to know how Microsoft(tm) are about to treat those of us who upgrade there systems.
It would appear that Microsft is not just happy to control you software upgardes but now it wants to inhibit your hardware upgrades aswell!

Just get a Mac... Problem solved!

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LarryB56

And they wonder why people resort to piracy of software!!!
Lets make it even more expencive to upgrade our systems!!

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For all you upgraders out there!
I came upon this http://bink.nu/Article6247.bink article recently and I thought it interesting to know how Microsoft(tm) are about to treat those of us who upgrade there systems.
It would appear that Microsft is not just happy to control you software upgardes but now it wants to inhibit your hardware upgrades aswell!

MS let us ALL an out: "The reason Microsoft gave for this term is that “Microsoft needed to have one base component “left standing” that would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains the CPU and is the “heart and soul” of the PC, when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially created.”"
My pc's will never again be "upgraded" they will have the MB replaced because the old one went bad! And NO it is not a lie! I replace MB's because the old one no longer does the job, therefore it can be considered ineffective/defective and needs replacing. A S T R E T C H to be sure, but MS should not be playing games with people that are TRYING to be honest!
As another poster said, Linux here I come!

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Since the motherboard contains the CPU and is the “heart and soul” of the PC, when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially created.

This is the kind of thing that makes me glad I haven't run windows for 8 months now.


There's a lot of disturbing things about Vista.
You might want to look at some info about DirectX 10.

I kind of expect another change in the near future requiring a new license for cpu replacements as well.

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I wonder if MS will require me to get a license to move to linux? I'm sure that's a bit down the road. The MS OS uninstall guard built into the system. LOL

or maybe have to pay for a one time use format tool.

Just get a Mac... Problem solved!

Or just use Linux.

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“An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a “new personal computer” to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required.”

The reason Microsoft gave for this term is that “Microsoft needed to have one base component “left standing” that would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains the CPU and is the “heart and soul” of the PC, when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially created.”

They sure seem to be missing an opportunity to have their operating system and your data being considered the heart and soul.

I suppose this means that once your OEM computer dies, it's dead. It still looks like the ones that you build yourself can live on forever.

This does seem a little like being forced to burn books because you've moved or gotten new glasses.

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Just get a Mac... Problem solved!

Ant the Mac may soon run your favorite OS..... Windows

Problem Un-Solved ;)

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For all you upgraders out there!
I came upon this http://bink.nu/Article6247.bink article recently and I thought it interesting to know how Microsoft(tm) are about to treat those of us who upgrade there systems.
It would appear that Microsft is not just happy to control you software upgardes but now it wants to inhibit your hardware upgrades aswell!

That's for sure. I think they're getting a little TOO demanding. If XP is still messed up after all these years after its release, than it wouldn't be surprising if they bungled Vista also. They should just fix the current XP before jumping into Vista.

General Vista Recommendations

Vista CPU Recommendations

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And they wonder why people resort to piracy of software!!!

i have to agree
I haven't owned a genuine copy of M$ anything for several years, i don't see why i should have to pay for bug fixes just because M$ decides that they'll release them as a new version, rather than a patch

also a lot of the software i want and need to use, only works on windows, and again, why should i have to pay a few hundred per computer just because M$ has a monopoly, i think M$ needs a reality check, no wonder Bill had a few billion in the bank, i just find it sad that the world is driven by money instead of doing the right thing etc.

personally oil companies are just the same, a hydrogen powered car would be an idea replacement for current day gasoline/petrol/diesel vehicles, yet why has it taken so long to "develop" something that is frankly quite simple
because oil companies don't want to loose control, and just want the money to keep rolling in, sad

personally oil companies are just the same, a hydrogen powered car would be an idea replacement for current day gasoline/petrol/diesel vehicles, yet why has it taken so long to "develop" something that is frankly quite simple
because oil companies don't want to loose control, and just want the money to keep rolling in, sad

ACTUALLY the MAIN problem with Hydrogen powered vehicles, is the every day user! There are STILL about 50 nationwide instances A WEEK with people having problems at gas pumps. That leaves alot OF people that have NO PROBLEMS but with any new technology there is a learning curve and no company is willing to take the risk, especially after McDonalds had to pay for the lady that spilled hot coffee in her lap! She ordered hot coffee and then sued after it spilled and burnt her! Yes the coffee urn at the McDonalds was not operating properly, it did not turn the heater element off when the coffee hit a certain temperature. BUT STILL you order something hot, you get it, and you sue because it is TOO HOT!!! AND YOU WIN!!!!

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For all you upgraders out there!
I came upon this http://bink.nu/Article6247.bink article recently and I thought it interesting to know how Microsoft(tm) are about to treat those of us who upgrade there systems.
It would appear that Microsft is not just happy to control you software upgardes but now it wants to inhibit your hardware upgrades aswell!

I agree that Microsoft licensing can be difficult, but....

There are two interesting terms here:

First, this applies to "OEM" copies of Windows -- a copy of Windows sold pre-installed on a computer. Microsoft does not sell the OEM version retail, it must be bundled with hardware.

You can get XP Home, OEM, on eBay for about $65. The seller will include a 30-pin memory DIMM, or an old motherboard, or a floppy drive cable to comply with the "hardware" requirement.

The second thing of interest is that it applies to "upgrades" and a repair (replacement of the motherboard with the same motherboard) may not be an upgrade.

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What crap! The next new rig I build will have some Linux derivation. I purchased a legit copy of XP for every comp I have but if an mb upgrade requires a new purchase, MS no longer gets my $$.

I've been trying to find the time to learn a "new" OS like Ubuntu / Kubuntu / SuSE and now it seems like the motivation is here.

This seems like a kick in the pants to the enthusiast market whom, I assume, they feel they've lost to Linux derivations already. Bad market research, as far as I am concerned. One must wonder how the bean counters justify the financial gain vs. the loss of future revenue. I suppose they have some smart people there who see dollars, not markets. Acountants tend to be that way; short sighted and two dimensional.

Bye-bye MS, hello Linux (sorry for the late arrival)

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This seems like a kick in the pants to the enthusiast market whom, I assume, they feel they've lost to Linux derivations already. Bad market research, as far as I am concerned. One must wonder how the bean counters justify the financial gain vs. the loss of future revenue. I suppose they have some smart people there who see dollars, not markets. Acountants tend to be that way; short sighted and two dimensional.

indeed, and with quite a few companies moving to linux you'd think M$ would take notice

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This seems like a kick in the pants to the enthusiast market whom, I assume, they feel they've lost to Linux derivations already. Bad market research, as far as I am concerned. One must wonder how the bean counters justify the financial gain vs. the loss of future revenue. I suppose they have some smart people there who see dollars, not markets. Acountants tend to be that way; short sighted and two dimensional.

indeed, and with quite a few companies moving to linux you'd think M$ would take notice

There are even governments that are dumping microshaft for linux. Recently read about the french dumping ie for firefox with plans to move to linux later this year.

Have not given gate's a cent since I bought win 3.1 and used that until 95 when I bought os/2 warp. Which I used until 98 when I was given win 95. Then in 2000 was given win98se which I still use. Give gate's more money, you got to be joking!
That said I have plans to get another hdd and set it up as a partition just for linux. Have not touched a linux box in about 8 or 9 years and that install was from floppies, lots of floppies.

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down with M$, support the underdog ;)

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What crap! The next new rig I build will have some Linux derivation. I purchased a legit copy of XP for every comp I have but if an mb upgrade requires a new purchase, MS no longer gets my $$.

I've been trying to find the time to learn a "new" OS like Ubuntu / Kubuntu / SuSE and now it seems like the motivation is here.

This seems like a kick in the pants to the enthusiast market whom, I assume, they feel they've lost to Linux derivations already. Bad market research, as far as I am concerned. One must wonder how the bean counters justify the financial gain vs. the loss of future revenue. I suppose they have some smart people there who see dollars, not markets. Acountants tend to be that way; short sighted and two dimensional.

Bye-bye MS, hello Linux (sorry for the late arrival)

Yes, Jim, I see we agree on many things. :) You took the words right out of my mouth there.
I have invested lots of time and money on Windows and program on its platform.
Two shelf copies of XP Pro (no OEM's), Office Pro 2003, Virtual PC 2004, etc.

Virtual PC is part of my plan to learn Linux and eventually convert to it.
Although Microsoft don't officially state anywhere that it's possible to
install Linux under Virtual PC, it's not difficult.

I've already installed Ubuntu Linux on two clean PC's at work and is learning by setting them up.
They run with Firefox and OpenOffice 2.0, which covers most of the tasks we need at work.
And it was a joy to set up Ubuntu Linux! It found all the hardware without questions, just one restart after install,
and you get an icon on the desktop to upgrade Ubuntu with the latest. Very simple and easy! Recommended. :)

I have no plans to move to Vista (or even XP) until something requires it, but again, according to the article quoted at the top of the thread:

when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially created.

It's been years since I've actually upgraded an existing machine "for reasons other than defect" -- by the time I upgrade, the current sockets have changed, faster drives need different interfaces, AGP is out and PCI-X is in, etc.

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