I just recieved a late christmas present of a 17 inch LCD monitor (KDS717).

After a short while I got the colors to came in correct, but it still has a bit of a concave look to what ever is on the screen. After 3 days it was retured today and exchanged for another, same concave look. Has anyone else here had this happen with LCD monitors?

I never herd of KDS before, and the person who gave it to me will return it and get a ViewSonics 17 inch LCD that is about the same price. That is one brand monotor that I trust.

Having always used CRT's this may just need a little getting used to. But having this system in a tight workspace it is good not almost being on top of the 15 inch CRT that I have been using.

Any thoughts on your experiences of switching from a CRT to an LCD would be appreciated, or what you think is a better LCD in the lower $200 price range.

Cheers
Ray

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never seen that, I'm using two Mitsubishi DiamondPoint NXM76 LCD 17" flat screens here on my desk for the last 2-3 years without issue. They were 500 a piece at that time. Might be cheaper now?

I have 3 Dell LCDs (two 17 and one 19) and never seen the issues you have described. I know KDS is usually one of the lower end ones.

Was the monitor near florecent lighting? Magnetic pull? High voltage (all of which could bother a CRT, but with the casing on them might not)?

I LOVE my LCD monitors. I hate going back to CRT (I now see the scan lines on CRT if I sit behind it too long).

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I have 3 Dell LCDs (two 17 and one 19) and never seen the issues you have described. I know KDS is usually one of the lower end ones.

Was the monitor near florecent lighting? Magnetic pull? High voltage (all of which could bother a CRT, but with the casing on them might not)?

I LOVE my LCD monitors. I hate going back to CRT (I now see the scan lines on CRT if I sit behind it too long).

No florecent lighting and in a corner of the house with no wires except for the computer on the flour. Is ViewSonic still considered good like they used to be? Have not looked for a monitor in years. Found a good price on a ViewSonic VA702b at NewEgg. Has about the same specs and price.

Ray

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i just bought 2 19inch lcds a month ago 1 samsung and 1 avidav
no experience of what you describe ,but i have found them harder on my eyes than my crt 14 15 17 19 inch monitors am considering using the crt19 for surfing
when the clarity doesnt matter so much as for designing or gaming
have you tried the manufacturers website in case of any issues ;graphics and monitor
when i hooked these lcds up m$update hit me with updates to do with the monitors
having a bit of a gaming background im more inclined towards the graphics on the pc than the monitor being the issue (see if a graphics driver update works is all i hear very time i have an issue with a game :) )

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I've been using a 17" Optiquest V73 CRT monitor for about seven years.
Optiquest is ViewSonic's value brand sibling company.
ViewSonic's version is Q73.
I've been very satisfied with the monitor I have, which is still doing very well, and would likely look at Optiquest and ViewSonic first when I need a new monitor.

The ViewSonic VA702b is comparable to the Optiquest Q7B.

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I've been using a 17" Optiquest V73 CRT monitor for about seven years.
Optiquest is ViewSonic's value brand sibling company.
ViewSonic's version is Q73.
I've been very satisfied with the monitor I have, which is still doing very well, and would likely look at Optiquest and ViewSonic first when I need a new monitor.

The ViewSonic VA702b is comparable to the Optiquest Q7B.

The ViewSonic VA702b is what I was looking at, seems to be good for the price. Think I will be getting that and return this KDS monitor.

Ray

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I used a CRT monitor with the curved screen for many many years. Three years ago I got a flat screen and I remember that at first my eyes played a bit of a trick on me. For so long my eyes compensated for the curved screen that when looking at the flat screen it appeared the screen curved toward me at the edges or concaved. After a bit of use I no longer noticed this optical illusion.
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I used a CRT monitor with the curved screen for many many years. Three years ago I got a flat screen and I remember that at first my eyes played a bit of a trick on me. For so long my eyes compensated for the curved screen that when looking at the flat screen it appeared the screen curved toward me at the edges or concaved. After a bit of use I no longer noticed this optical illusion.
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Same.

As most CRT are slightly convex, when a person first looks at a truly flat screen it looks concave in comparison. I would imagine this to be even more true when the CRT in question was 15", and I guess quite old, and hence probably quite convex compaired to a flat screen.
At least, this is what I find.

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I just recieved a late christmas present of a 17 inch LCD monitor (KDS717).

After a short while I got the colors to came in correct, but it still has a bit of a concave look to what ever is on the screen. After 3 days it was retured today and exchanged for another, same concave look. Has anyone else here had this happen with LCD monitors?

I never herd of KDS before, and the person who gave it to me will return it and get a ViewSonics 17 inch LCD that is about the same price. That is one brand monotor that I trust.

Cheers
Ray

KDS (Korean Data Systems) has been finding its way into the American market recently. True, they tend to be lower priced but not always least in value. I have a flat CRT from them that I am very satisfied with. No experience with their LCDs. My LCD is from Sony and I think it is terrific (please don't go the fritz on me now) and my experience with Viewsonics has been very good, too.

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I don't know what to tell you on THAT hassle, because it sounds "StRaNgE"... I would have said 'degauss it' to fix it were it a CRT in question having the problem for you!

See... I don't use LCD (flatscreens etc./et all) BUT, I do have some things to say about CRT's that you guys may or may not know but find interesting:

Since you bought one (a possible 'lemon', it does happen sometimes) that was bad, & exchanged it right away (pretty much) for a replacement & it too went 'nutty'?

Steer clear of those KDS monitors then.

(I have heard good things about them over time though, mainly, that they are a great buy for relatively LITTLE cash outlay)

Personally, I do nothing but CRT types, & exclusively "trinitron" type monitors (maker/brand/oem doesn't matter - the fact they are trinitron type/based to me, does) because they produce INCREDIBLY fast refresh rates.

It's for a GOOD reason (price because I buy used, & performance (unmatched afaik)).

E.G. #1 -> @ FULL 32-BIT COLOR running 1024x768 resolutions, I watched a good friend of mine push 200hz refresh on his 17" model @ his home 2 nights ago (this is because he was ready to go shopping for a new flat-screen monitor & did not like his monitor and this was because he had it running ONLY @ THE DEFAULT OF 60hz - very bad for the eyes from what I understand).

He now is 'reconsidering' even buying a flat-screen LCD type once I showed him how much faster his trinitron would work once set right, & that it could perform much better & be much better for his eyesight by simply altering the refresh rate (trinitron screens are KNOWN for this, very fast screen-repaint/refresh & are/were afaik, preferred by gamers for instance because of it).

E.G. #2 -> I have a 19" Trinitron here, & @ resolutions of 1600x1200, full 32-bit color, I can do a refresh rate of 75hz using a BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC (and when I had an ATI 9800XT here, 256mb RAM? It would do over 120hz!).

(The video card DOES matter in how fast it will refresh the screen as well, & though NVidia cards tend to beat (lately @ the top-end in the 7800 highest-end series afaik) ATI cards for 3d gaming performance & have historically had better driver quality (even John Carmack stated he liked how they designed their drivers vs. ATI) than ATI, the ATI family does great 2d display & refresh rates, & my "tests" are/were a living proof, or @ least 1 example, of it).

Anyways - you can nab one used @ your local "Mom & Pop" computer shop, for around $40-$50 U.S. Dollars for a 17" & around $75-$80 U.S. Dollars for a 19" most likely!

(I did on the one I am using - been running it for the last 3 years now, trouble-free in fact, & the 21" ViewSonic Graphics Series I had for instance that I paid $850 for in 1999? It went sour the first year out, I paid $80 U.S. Dollars to ship it to ViewSonic for a replacement (they shipped back the upgrade to it no less, nice, but read on) & again, w/in exactly almost 1 year, it too went sour!)

So, in my experience with CRT type monitors @ least - Trinitrons are faster that those by other OEM's (refresh-rates being so high) & just last longer!

:)

* Some "food-for-thought" on purchasing Trinitrons, & also used monitors (especially of the trinitron variety because of their longevity (@ least in my experience & anecdotal example/proof to you))... they CAN be a good buy, & save you TONS of cash!

APK

P.S.=> As far as "CRT" monitor technology, I have found Trinitron type CRT monitor speed & quality really unmatched - especially if bought 2nd hand/used!

Again, imo/experience, because even then they last a LONG time imo & experience with them. If you can 'stand' the 2 tiny lines separating the 3 sections, hence the 'trinitron' moniker (almost unnoticeable imo & I generally do NOT notice them & have to REALLY look close to see them), they may be for you and you can save money buying one used...

They are usually afaik, 'flatscreen/edge-to-edge' as well, but there may be ones with 'convex' glass lenses too though (but, I have never seen one like that).

"Disclaimer" - I know almost NOTHING about flatpanel/LCD monitors & don't need to imo, because I have found used Trinitron CRT's a long-lasting + high-performance solution, consistently, everytime I have worked with them! apk

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Maybe i've just got strange eyes, but on my 2 19" CRT monitors i find the only refresh rate at which i don't see scan lines is the default of 60Hz. The graphics card is a Creative GeForce 5200, but its the same withthe standard built-in adapter. Anything higher than 60Hz and the screen fills with horizontal lines.

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Maybe you could find a straightedge somewhere and see if your monitor is truly flat. You could check it at various angles and positions. You could take a piece of flat windowglass or mirror and compare to see if the reflected images are the same size on the monitor and other flat reflector. If the images reflected from the monitor are larger than from the flat reflector your monitor is truly concave. If the images displayed on the phosphors have concave sides to them you monitor suffers from "pincushion distortion".

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KDS (Korean Data Systems) has been finding its way into the American market recently. True, they tend to be lower priced but not always least in value. I have a flat CRT from them that I am very satisfied with. No experience with their LCDs. My LCD is from Sony and I think it is terrific (please don't go the fritz on me now) and my experience with Viewsonics has been very good, too.

Where I work, in a prepress trade shop, there are a couple of KDS 19" CRT monitors ("Visual Sensations" models VS190 & VS190i) that have been in use for about three or four years now; they may not be exactly 'high-end' but they work fine. Sharpness, accurate geometry and consistent colour are pretty critical in this business, and any problems in these areas would certainly have been noticed.

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I just recieved a late christmas present of a 17 inch LCD monitor (KDS717).

After a short while I got the colors to came in correct, but it still has a bit of a concave look to what ever is on the screen. After 3 days it was retured today and exchanged for another, same concave look. Has anyone else here had this happen with LCD monitors?

I never herd of KDS before, and the person who gave it to me will return it and get a ViewSonics 17 inch LCD that is about the same price. That is one brand monotor that I trust.

Having always used CRT's this may just need a little getting used to. But having this system in a tight workspace it is good not almost being on top of the 15 inch CRT that I have been using.

Any thoughts on your experiences of switching from a CRT to an LCD would be appreciated, or what you think is a better LCD in the lower $200 price range.

Cheers
Ray

Personally, I'm sticking with CRTs until OLED technology matures into commercial product. LCD technology has never quite matured in 15 years, as demonstrated by persistent problems with dead/stuck pixels; you know it's still bad when even store display models wind up with them and Sony has a PSP public relations nightmare because of it. LCDs are comparatively expensive, comparatively sluggish, and their color rendition is horribly inaccurate; no graphics professional would touch one with a ten-foot pole.

Viewsonic as a brand isn't bad, but its reputation with me was ruined after they screwed me over last year. Viewsonic bought rights to the Nokia CRT line some years ago right after I bought my cherished Nokia 21" CRT, and when it died last year I discovered I couldn't get it fixed, for ANY amount of money. Viewsonic had dropped the ball, wasn't even making the required parts. Further, their stance on the matter was arrogant and dismissive. Since the CRT was less than 7 years old and well over $100 in wholesale cost, I considered suing Viewsonic under the "California Lemon Law", and even consulted with a firm about a class-action suit, but in the end I just wanted a new CRT. The Nokia, sadly, wound up being e-cycled in spite of having been the best display I'd ever owned. A $1000 device so disposable that it couldn't even be repaired.

Suffice it to say you couldn't PAY me to use a Viewsonic product now. I'm no longer a big fan of Nokia either, since they made a careless choice in selling out to Viewsonic in the first place, and screwing over their formerly loyal customers in the process.

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I too, am no big fan of LCD monitors. I have a Samsung Syncmaster 173 17" LCD, and it works fine, but it just can't compare in any way to my Syncmaster 1100DF 21" flat CRT's. Especially for gaming. One of my friends bought a Geforce 6800 Ultra just after I bought mine, but then he "splurged" and bought a Syncmaster 24" digital LCD. He is extremely disappointed at the slow response time, especially when playing Half-Life2 or Far Cry. And the sad thing is that he could have bought THREE of the 21" Syncmaster 1100DF's for what he paid for that 24" LCD, and had change left over. He thought that because the LCD was "digital", that it would have much better performance than CRT's. LCD's are fine for word processing and web browsing, but for gaming, graphics, or video editing, nothing can currently approach the performance of a CRT.

Regards, Daniel.

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i've had a KDS model 17s for about 6 months now...and i've had no trouble at all with it...i realize there are better models on the market...but i got this one fairly cheap (at the time)...and with prices on LCD monitors dropping like a rock...i didn't feel like investing too much until i can get a larger LCD monitor for a cheaper price than they're going for now...

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