Heff, I just tried Attaching a Computer to the SHOFT Project with v5.1.1 installed and the installer just gave me the Message (The URL you supplied is not that of a BOINC-based project. Please check the URL and try again) ... Now if I just take the SHOFT Account xml from another Computer and put it in the Directory with v5.1.1 installed then it will Attach and download WU's ...

Poorboy, I've experienced that with several projects and 5.1.3 and have reported the bug.

tony

looks like they are selling your free contribution for their profit, to assist other business with access to "grid computing" (our computers). There is NO mention of Boinc anywhere I could find.

I'll not be joining this one.

tony

I looked at it the other day, to see about adding it to my BOINC Projects News site. I declined to add it since I could not read it. I don't know what language it is. And I don't have the ability to translate anyway.... I'll not crunch for them either if they're going to charge me to do so. >:-| |-:

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[quote]I'll not crunch for them either if they're going to charge me to do so. >:-| |-:

I'm glad to see that Matt and the Berkeley staff are on this. They know the ins and outs of BOINC and what you can and can't do with it... and can and can't say about it.

And surely on the Berkeley campus there is someone who reads/speaks Russian. ;)

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This was bound to happen..

When source code is released, it may be copyrighted (even if open source), but by deleting the copyright notice in the source, it's therefore been changed and the copyright doesn't apply! Even a one line code change like adding "i=i;" indicates modified code and is not covered by the original copyright.

"open source" project seem to alway have some sort of EULA, but it really cant be enforced. Kind of like the "No responsible for lost or stolen items" singn in resturant coat closets. If you push the point, they are indead responsible. People can post any warning they want, but that doesn't mean it can be enforced.

If UCB were to fight this one, I'd guess that the legal fees would burn up the entire Seti budget.

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If you click on the link in the first post of this thread, then from the first page click on the "EN" in the upper left and it takes you to an english site.

tony

Hi,

I felt a little strange about that tattling, but last night I sent BOINC.dk a request if they know about that linking to their website and thus their bandwidth being used by somebody else for seemingly commercial purposes. Let's see their reaction

Regards,

Christoph

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*I say apparently, because I can't read Russian. Sergey says they're planning compensation for participation, but it's unclear exactly what they may do.

You can use www.systranet.com to read Russian texts and sites. A simple free registration (login/password) is required. Look e.g. at SHOFT's "Rules and Polices" page, (systranet can translate it quite well) and notice that they call the project Shoft@home, and that the text is almost identical to similar pages of other BOINC projects (e.g. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/info.php) BUT!!! with only one small exception: every mention of BOINC is omitted!

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SHOFT@HOME

Boinc attacks! Watch out for the "Kitty."

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Account frozen...

It looks like they develop a 'science app' based on the project their client wishes to accomplish. Then using BOINC, they get a bunch of free computing time and get to charge their clients for the service. Client gives them money, we give them the resources. What a deal huh?

To be honest, they promise to pay back for participating, then it's not so unfair as you described. But it's unclear in what form it will be and how much.

They can perhaps pay Berkeley for using Boinc ?? ;)
(ironical)

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Do you want to get banned for 31 years and your account & credits deleted at a Boinc project ? Predictor@home is your best choice.

This is a quote from their Rules and Policies page (in German):

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Installieren Sie Shoft@Home nur auf Ihnen zugelassenen Computern

Installieren Sie Shoft@Home ausschliesslich auf Computern, die Sie besitzen, oder von denen Ihnen die Zugriffserlaubnis des Besitzers vorliegt. Einige Firmen und Schulen haben Regeln, die es verbieten, deren Computer für Projekte wie Shoft@Home zu nutzen.

Wie SETI@home Ihren Computer verwendet

Wenn Sie Shoft@Home auf Ihrem Computer arbeiten lassen, beansprucht es einen Teil der Rechenleistung, des Festplattenplatzes und der Netzwerkbandbreite. Sie können einstellen, wie viele Ressourcen von Shoft@Home benutzt werden dürfen und wann es sie benutzen darf.

Die von Ihrem Computer abgeschlossene Arbeit wird den Zielen von Shoft@Home beigesteuert, wie sie auf der Webseite beschrieben sind. Die Anwendungsprogramme können sich von Zeit zu Zeit ändern.

Just look, how they omitted one SETI@home on their find&replace session X(
PS: The bold attribute is from me.

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Aloha, Uli

This is a quote from their Rules and Policies page (in German):

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Wie SETI@home Ihren Computer verwendet

Just look, how they omitted one SETI@home on their find&replace session X(
PS: The bold attribute is from me.

That definitely shows where they "borrowed" the text from.

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Kitty@SETI team (Russia). Our cats also want to know if there is ETI out there

Go to thier Rules and Polices page and use your browsers VIEW SOURCE.

They commented the Other BOINC projects section out.

I will not support shoft or any any projects like this.

I cant't believe that people are upset about open sourse software being used for a comercial endevour!

Why not complain about all the companys that use Linux and Apache!

If you don't like the project, just don't do work for the project!

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I cant't believe that people are upset about open sourse software being used for a comercial endevour!

Why not complain about all the companys that use Linux and Apache!

If you don't like the project, just don't do work for the project!

The point is part of the boinc licencing says it's not allowed to be used for a commercial reason (or so I've been told).
Anyway..linux and apache are made by the people that sell them (generally).
The shifty shoft lot are charging people for using a FREE product that they didn't make (boinc not the shoft app)

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Go to thier Rules and Polices page and use your browsers VIEW SOURCE.

They commented the Other BOINC projects section out.

I will not support shoft or any any projects like this.

same for the home page
"<a>Powered by "

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Do you want to get banned for 31 years and your account & credits deleted at a Boinc project ? Predictor@home is your best choice.

The point is part of the boinc licencing says it's not allowed to be used for a commercial reason (or so I've been told).

You may be told this some time ago. Today BOINC is published under LGPL licence, so using it for commercial is allowed without restrictions. That is the true spirit of Open Source.

There was a time where BOINC used a own (different) licence and that excluded the commercial usage. But this was only because of a legal issue. United Devices tried in 2003 to stop the BOINC development and the layers of the University Berkeley created this licence as part of a agreement with UD. This agreement finished with the year 2004.

A other point may be the question if someone want to support a project that don't feel itself as part of the worldwide BOINC community. But I am sure there will be hundred of projects the next years and we always will have to decide if we want to support a project and its goals and doing.

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Greetings from Bremen/Germany
Jens Seidler (TheBigJens)

I cant't believe that people are upset about open sourse software being used for a comercial endevour!

Woody,

I do not know what other people think, but about using open source I totally agree: it's free and that is a good thing from which we all benefit (I use Open Office for all things I don't have a MS license for, e.g. for presentations and I earn money with that). But I think it is not a good sign for a projects honesty if you:

- claim you invented it yourself and do not give any credits to the true developers

- steal the texts from other pages without notice and comment out what might give you away - except of making your own pages or be smart enough to not comment out but delete the treacherous parts. That doesn't look like real pros in programming who can handle such a project

- steal bandwidth from another community (BOINC.dk) because you do not want to pay an own server/webpsace. In this case a commercial user misuses a non-profit user's resources, and that is not really friendly.


So that is what I dislike and that is what makes the thing fishy to me. And I think it is permitted to tell potential users what the facts about this project are, so everybody can make up his own mind. Of course one can overdo the bashing towards shoft, as nobody knows its true nature (and I put in some wild although, regarding all that fishing and spying today, not necessarily far-fetched assumptions in myself). But it sure is a topic that should be known to the BOINC community.


Regards,

Christoph

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The shifty shoft lot are charging people for using a FREE product that they didn't make (boinc not the shoft app)
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Their not doing anything right now other than sending out Test WU's to show the Project Works & to try & attract potential customers ...

Like some people have stated, if you don't like the Projects goals or how they are going about it then don't run it. If they can't get enough people to run the Project it will fold anyway & nothing will come of it...