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Message 1243937 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 13:27:32 UTC

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Message 1243993 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 16:37:32 UTC
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An update to the bear I caught on video. It has been roaming the neighborhood, for the last few weeks, causing a lot of distruction. He was unafraid of people, and could not be scared off by gun shots in the air. It is a young male, and last night it was on my neighbors deck, tearing it up. The deck is right outside his bedroom, so he shot the bear. The police came out and gave our neighbor the proper tag. Our neighbor dressed the bear, and froze the meat.

Bye bear.....

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Message 1243996 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 16:43:15 UTC - in response to Message 1243993.

An update to the bear I caught on video. It has been roaming the neighborhood, for the last few weeks, causing a lot of destruction. He was unafraid of people, and could not be scared off by gun shots in the air. It is a young male, and last night it was on my neighbors deck, tearing it up. The deck is right outside his bedroom, so he shot the bear. The police came out and gave our neighbor the proper tag. Our neighbor dressed the bear, and froze the meat.

Bye bear.....

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Bear meat should be cooked just like raw Ham or pork, very thoroughly, why? For the same reason raw ham or pork is cooked thoroughly, trichinosis...
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Message 1244001 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 16:46:34 UTC - in response to Message 1243937.

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Message 1244010 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 17:00:41 UTC

RIP Bear. Couldn't it have been moved into the wild somewhere?

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Message 1244016 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 17:05:47 UTC - in response to Message 1244010.

RIP Bear. Couldn't it have been moved into the wild somewhere?

Not happy :-((


I wonder what could have been done. It's tough when a bear is in a populated area and not afraid of people, that can become a problem.
(I wouldn't personally have shot him, but I'd bet the police would have eventually)
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Message 1244017 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 17:06:56 UTC - in response to Message 1244016.

RIP Bear. Couldn't it have been moved into the wild somewhere?

Not happy :-((


I wonder what could have been done. It's tough when a bear is in a populated area and not afraid of people, that can become a problem.
(I wouldn't personally have shot him, but I'd bet the police would have eventually)

Probably so, sigh...
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Message 1244019 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 17:10:57 UTC - in response to Message 1244017.

It is very difficult when a bear is no longer afraid of humans. When they move such bears around here, they need to be moved hundreds of miles away from humans. They will travel great distances for food. I wonder how far away from Steve's area you have to go to be hundreds of miles away from humans?
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Message 1244023 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 17:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 1243993.

An update to the bear I caught on video. It has been roaming the neighborhood, for the last few weeks, causing a lot of distruction. He was unafraid of people, and could not be scared off by gun shots in the air. It is a young male, and last night it was on my neighbors deck, tearing it up. The deck is right outside his bedroom, so he shot the bear. The police came out and gave our neighbor the proper tag. Our neighbor dressed the bear, and froze the meat.

Bye bear.....

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Aww, poor bear. Then again if it's not scared of people, let alone gunshots, it is I'd say a tad dangerous. (What's a proper tag?)
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Message 1244037 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 17:46:34 UTC - in response to Message 1244019.

It is very difficult when a bear is no longer afraid of humans. When they move such bears around here, they need to be moved hundreds of miles away from humans. They will travel great distances for food. I wonder how far away from Steve's area you have to go to be hundreds of miles away from humans?


I know what you mean. We are such a "successful" species that it is hard to find open spaces to relocate animals anymore. (Why is human over-population not a bigger world-wide concern?)

Anyway, Eric comes from a (by California standards) sparsely populated and extremely rural place. Imagine how happy the residents of this area would be if everybody in Wisconsin and neighboring states dumped their problem bears and wolves up there?!!!

In California, every once in a while some cougar develops a "taste" for jogger. The poor kitty is generally treed and shot immediately, which I totally understand. It is a sad, but necessary evil.

RIP Steve's bear.

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Message 1244043 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 17:56:59 UTC

If I lived next door to Steves neighbour, I'd be reporting him to every animal charity that there was, copy to all newspapers, and I would also be reporting the local police to the State Governor for going along with it. That might be the way you do things out there, we are a bit more civilised in the UK.

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Message 1244045 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 18:01:35 UTC - in response to Message 1244037.

It is very difficult when a bear is no longer afraid of humans. When they move such bears around here, they need to be moved hundreds of miles away from humans. They will travel great distances for food. I wonder how far away from Steve's area you have to go to be hundreds of miles away from humans?


I know what you mean. We are such a "successful" species that it is hard to find open spaces to relocate animals anymore. (Why is human over-population not a bigger world-wide concern?)

Anyway, Eric comes from a (by California standards) sparsely populated and extremely rural place. Imagine how happy the residents of this area would be if everybody in Wisconsin and neighboring states dumped their problem bears and wolves up there?!!!

In California, every once in a while some cougar develops a "taste" for jogger. The poor kitty is generally treed and shot immediately, which I totally understand. It is a sad, but necessary evil.

RIP Steve's bear.

A cougar came down from the local mountains above Santa Monica, they did shoot a dart into the kitty to try and save it, but then the cat bolted from it's hiding place in a building courtyard that was enclosed on 3 sides, they could have waited until the opening was blocked off to shoot the dart, so the SMPD shot the cat instead, killing it, people didn't like that one bit...

As to Your Kitty, Joggers must be tasty lean meat, Jogger juices indeed, still it was too bad the big cute kitty cats couldn't be saved.
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Message 1244049 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 18:09:03 UTC - in response to Message 1244048.

That being said, Chris.......

I do not hunt......
I shot a bunny once in self defense......LOL.

You have every right to express your dis-approval of something you have no heritage to.

Hunting deer in Wisconsin is for some, a God given right.

And I really have no problem with it. Given the rampant population of them and the rate of deer-car collisions in the past few years.

I do have a problem with simple trophy hunting, and the shooting of some species that are deemed only as trophies with no regard to the species' long term survival.

I too do not like trophy hunting, hunting for food and to keep the deer population under control is ok with Me, as they can be as dangerous as a big cat, those antlers on their head aren't just for show, their deadly weapons.
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Message 1244067 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 18:51:15 UTC - in response to Message 1244043.

If I lived next door to Steves neighbour, I'd be reporting him to every animal charity that there was, copy to all newspapers, and I would also be reporting the local police to the State Governor for going along with it. That might be the way you do things out there, we are a bit more civilised in the UK.

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Chris, do you still have wild animals in your part of the UK that eat people (like bears do)? That possibility changes your point of view about cute little furry creatures.

The point that I was trying to make in previous posts was that you might have to transport that bear a VERY long way to get it 100+ miles away from humans. Even here in southern Ontario you are looking at 2 days drive to get a bear that far away from edible humans. I agree that shooting the bear is a shame, but as a taxpayer you have ask what are the priorities for your hard earned money. One bullet is very cheap.
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Message 1244072 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 19:04:47 UTC - in response to Message 1244067.

If I lived next door to Steves neighbour, I'd be reporting him to every animal charity that there was, copy to all newspapers, and I would also be reporting the local police to the State Governor for going along with it. That might be the way you do things out there, we are a bit more civilised in the UK.

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Chris, do you still have wild animals in your part of the UK that eat people (like bears do)? That possibility changes your point of view about cute little furry creatures.

The point that I was trying to make in previous posts was that you might have to transport that bear a VERY long way to get it 100+ miles away from humans. Even here in southern Ontario you are looking at 2 days drive to get a bear that far away from edible humans. I agree that shooting the bear is a shame, but as a taxpayer you have ask what are the priorities for your hard earned money. One bullet is very cheap.

Extinction is also very expensive and every creature needlessly lost is a loss for genetic diversity as this effects survival, moving the bear would always be better, even if the bear needs to be flown somewhere instead of driving, as everything is in some way dependent upon others for survival, no creature large or small can exist by itself and this applies to Humans too.
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Message 1244092 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 20:26:55 UTC

It took me some time, but after many visits I have come to understand deer hunting in Northern Wisconsin. Deer meat is a very important part of the local diet. Not much gets wasted. If somebody doesn't want the meat from a deer he/she has shot, that person generally donates the deer to the local food shelter up there. Bears are hunted there too and the meat is made into sausage.

Natural predators (wolves, cougars) for deer are generally gone from that area. The main deer predators now seem to be cars, diseases and hunters. I don't have to like it. I don't have to directly participate. But I do understand.

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Message 1244093 - Posted: 9 Jun 2012, 20:27:03 UTC

The bear was killed at 1:00 AM, while almost breaking into my neighbors house. Their are children around here, as well as many pets. The bear had been destroying things for several weeks. Several neighbors had tried to scare it away, including the neighbor across the street from me. That is where it was last night. Directly accross the street, on the neighbors back deck, tearing the place up. The bear refused to run away when a warning shot was fired, so he shot it. I feel bad for the bear, as I really liked it, but I understand they are dangerous, especially when not afraid of humans. My neighbors property was under attack, and the bear was trying to get into his house. I don't blame him for shooting it. I don't know of any bear relocation program around here, especially at 1:00 AM. I am glad no people were hurt in the last few weeks as the bear went from house to house destroying whatever he could find that smelled like food.

The police recconized his right to protect his property and/or family, and gave hime a legal bear tag, which prevents him from being prosecuted for taking a bear. It was a sad thing, but I understand.

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