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 William B. Walters Send message Joined: 31 Jul 03 Posts: 8 Credit: 733,904 RAC: 0 
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I was just wondering how many users have been lost since the change over to the BOINC software. Anybody know? I loved the cmd line version and never had a problem except when the wu server was down for 2or more days. I miss the old version. ID: 248820 ·  |
The Simonator  Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 
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Classic is dead, long live BOINC And BTW, thanks for spelling it correctly :-) Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. 
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Sleestak  Send message Joined: 22 Jun 01 Posts: 779 Credit: 857,664 RAC: 0
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It grows on you. Join another project :)>. Boinc is just about as fast as the command line version (on windows anyhow). Also, make sure to download one of the hacked system optimized versions. They'll optimize your system for it. There have been a few people to post them on the number crunching forums. I forget which one I downloaded. I think I got mine here and it did wonders. TEAM LL ID: 249144 · |
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Scarecrow Send message Joined: 15 Jul 00 Posts: 4520 Credit: 486,601 RAC: 0
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I was just wondering how many users have been lost since the change over to the BOINC software. Anybody know? I loved the cmd line version and never had a problem except when the wu server was down for 2or more days. I miss the old version. I don't have any facts other than this to back it up, but I'd have to say "not many". ID: 249215 · |
Qui-Gon  Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11
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Classic SETI had about 6 million registered users, but at the end only about 400K were active. I am certain some have left the BOINC platform because they were unhappy with the way it performed--I know this because they ALL come here or NC to complain before they leave. As for ease of use, I'm no genius when it comes to computers and I can get it to work. So I must conclude that too little effort was expended by those who gave up on the project. Perhaps this might be related to some nostalgic fondness for the "Classic" version. ID: 249243 · |
KB7RZF  Send message Joined: 15 Aug 99 Posts: 9549 Credit: 3,308,926 RAC: 2
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I would have to agree with you totally Tom. I remember when I first installed BOINC. Didn't have to do much. Follow the instructions. Pretty simple. Been running through a router since I got my DSL connection, no connection problems. I'm not a computer genius either. I know enough to get me by. 
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Classic SETI had about 6 million registered users, but at the end only about 400K were active. I am certain some have left the BOINC platform because they were unhappy with the way it performed--I know this because they ALL come here or NC to complain before they leave. The Classic version could run on almost everything, I think I remember, that I read somewhere about people, who collected old 386 mobo's in farms and had them crunching (or was that even 286's ?????). The technical requirements were very low compared to BOINC Seti, so a lot of those, who crunched on these old obsolete machines, could of course not transit over to BOINC, and I also remember some farewell posts from these users over in Numbers. They had to scrap their old "workhorses". And the technical specs vary from project to project, where Seti requires very little processor power and RAM compared to e.g. Rosetta, which is more processor demanding, and requires that you leave the WU's in memory while preempted. So this also creates some farewell posts over at Rosetta from newcomes, who come and find out that their computers or systems are not geared for Rosetta. So there will be somebody who leaves, no matter what, and the reasons are different depending on the project. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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Pipo Send message Joined: 1 Mar 04 Posts: 8 Credit: 10,322 RAC: 0 |
I don't know, but some of the people in our team are unhappy with BOINC. Compared to the classic version it offers choice and freedom to do other things than seti, but as we still do most of our work for Seti@home it is no improvement to have that choice for us. But: I like BOINC, it runs with optimized software pretty fast and if the servers have no problems it works just fine. I didn't even consider to run the software on my old 800MHz machine, because I think it is a waste of time and energy, so BOINC lost one of my computers as well, but I think I did a good job in using the optimized version on a slightly overclocked cpu to compensate the hardware loss. ID: 249504 · |
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Ananas Send message Joined: 14 Dec 01 Posts: 195 Credit: 2,503,252 RAC: 0 
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@Fuzzy : Check out this team :-) ID: 249569 · |
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
@Fuzzy : Check out this team :-) ROTFLMAO! :-D WOW!!!! Ok, I don't know if there's any 286's among them, but one, MBs-386SX took 6017 hours and 2 minutes to crunch 1 WU! I don't think any of those made the transition to BOINC! ;-D And maybe those people were among those, who bitched about closing down Seti Classic? "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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RichaG  Send message Joined: 20 May 99 Posts: 1690 Credit: 19,287,294 RAC: 36
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I was just wondering how many users have been lost since the change over to the BOINC software. Anybody know? I loved the cmd line version and never had a problem except when the wu server was down for 2or more days. I miss the old version. Can you put log scales on your graphs? Red Bull Air Racing Gas price by zip at Seti 
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David@home  Send message Joined: 16 Jan 03 Posts: 755 Credit: 5,040,916 RAC: 28
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From my very quick analysis I would say quite a few did not transition from Classic to BOINC. My registration class originally had 998 members on Classic SETI. Only 67 have switched to BOINC and of these only 17 are active. Only 2 of the top 8 Classic crunchers have moved over to BOINC. ID: 249796 · |
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HansPeter Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 29 Credit: 8,357,890 RAC: 2
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I dont think it really matters for the actual progress of science that a lot of seti classic users didn't make the move to Boinc, most of these 5 million plus Classic users did hardly any work, they artificially bloated the statistics. Anyhow, SETI Boinc seems to be still struggling with the limited number of users who did do the transition, as the recent troubles show all too clearly. More worrying seems to be if the more serious crunchers dropped out of the game, I hope not that the underlying reason was the cheating which took place in seti classic supposedly. ID: 249805 · |
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Ananas Send message Joined: 14 Dec 01 Posts: 195 Credit: 2,503,252 RAC: 0
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@Fuzzy : Check out this team :-) Too bad that the Classic team stats have been taken down, I grabbed the screenshot from Google's cache. But the team has a homepage with a nice picture on it :-) For several of them it was just a second account for this special "competition" and I have seen No Disco crunchers in BOINC too, some quite speedy even. ID: 249809 · |
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
ROTFLMAO!!!!! Oh yes. A very nice photo:  I'm actually surprised that it's a colorscreen, I would think it was monochrome. And it actually looks like a 286, as I remember 386's, they looked a little more "nifty". And I think I can see the 5" floppy drive? Besides the 3.5"? Oh yes, I remember the punch cards. Oh, those were the days. :-D "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Jim-R.  Send message Joined: 7 Feb 06 Posts: 1494 Credit: 194,148 RAC: 0
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Hi Holly, The comp in your picture could be either/or. I had several 286's and a couple of 386's that look similar. One thing I'm looking at is the keyboard. If I'm not mistaken they didn't start using the "at" style keyboard (with 12 function keys across the top) until the 386. I'm pretty sure all the 286's used the "xt" keyboard. (I've had quite a few of those, and still have a few sitting around in closets) The only other possibility is if that is a replacement keyboard it could be one of the "switchable" types. Jim Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had. Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had. ID: 250230 · |
Daniel Michel  Send message Joined: 2 Feb 04 Posts: 14925 Credit: 1,378,607 RAC: 6
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right now SETI BOINC has too many users for the equipment they have in place for the project...hopefully this situation will change soon...but until they get new equipment we'll have to deal with more outages...and the long wait for uploads and download that comes after outages... the computers made today process much faster than those available just 5 years ago...thus more processing can be done for SETI with fewer computers...older computers can still do alot for SETI and the other BOINC programs...but in the world of computing the definition of antique moves forward at a rapid rate...as time goes by there will be more older models that become obsolete for use with BOINC...that is just the way of things...not just for BOINC...but for computing in general... i'm hoping that in addition to donating computer time, users will also consider donating money to the SETI program at Berkeley to help get new equipment on-line...that will make BOINC bounce better and faster for all of us.  PROUD TO BE TFFE! ID: 250955 · |
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William B. Walters Send message Joined: 31 Jul 03 Posts: 8 Credit: 733,904 RAC: 0
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I think maybe it is the nostalgia of the cmd line that I miss. With windows, I hardly use a cmd line unless I'm doing an IPconfig. I rememeber when I first upgraded my puter to 66mhz from the old 33 and I thought I was hot stuff. I had some insainly low amount of ram and like a 100meg HD. I loaded up my graphics card with I think EDO so I could play all the sierra games faster. I guess I'm odd like that, but I still miss those days! ID: 252438 · |
Mac-Nic  Send message Joined: 29 Jun 00 Posts: 165 Credit: 551,008 RAC: 0 
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William B. Walters Send message Joined: 31 Jul 03 Posts: 8 Credit: 733,904 RAC: 0
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LOL, I think my TI calculator has more processing ability than thing. 33 mhz was my lowest. I had it in dual board 4ft tall tower which was later converted to ATX. I use it to hide stuff in. What thief would look in there? ID: 253085 · |
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