Borgholio and RDC,

Actually, the 'credits' i speak of refer solely to those folks who lost their classic work units entirely in transition to BOINC. Some of these problems resulted from email address changes, ISP's going out of business, etc. making it impossible for them to transfer their credits. Others, like me, have had the same email address from the beginning and it has never changed, however my credits were lost in the shuffle somewhere and i had to start fresh with BOINC as a new user.

Like i said previously, i'm not concerned myeself since i didn't have that many units from Classic anyway. But everyone gets a chance to brag about how many WU's they've crunched. It's part of the fun and competition. You post yours right here for everyone to see so you must feel it is important. I'm pretty certain you'd be a bit upset if all of the sudden your results were reset to zero inexplicably and your profile said that you just joined the project yesterday as a new user. That's all i'm saying.

My only real problem with this thread is the counter-productiveness of calling everybody whiners, when many have legitimate gripes. And of course nothing in life is free. There is a cost to donating CPU cycles, and SETI can have mine for as long as i have them to donate. :)

Dig

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Hi All,
While I agree that we need to stop attacking those that Administrate and Develop the project, I do agree that there are some constructive statements made that keep the Developers in the "Loop" as to feelings across the project. I think the big problem is the way things are worded and how they are percieved by the rest of the crunching community. So maybe we need to put more thought and less "Rant" into our Posts. At times we are all guilty.
The one thing that all of us need to remember and pass on to the "newbies" is that the Boinc Platform, is an impressive platform that affords us the ability to crunch on several different projects at the same time. I don't recall anytime yet that all the projects were down at the same time. There is always something to crunch. As far as having endless supplies of WU's. It is impossible to try to make everyone happy, because those that would bank large amounts of WU's would cause other problems by depriving others of getting credits in a timely manner that confirms their contribution to the projects. Yes everyone does not like every project out there, but they are there and many more are on the horizon. No ones individaul PC has to be idle. That is why I and several others crunch the number of projects we do. Sure I like the credits, but more so than that, I like the feeling of contributing to the greater good.

We are a crunching community......we need unity!

Happy Crunching!

Very Respectfully,

Rocky Cudd

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Dig,

> Actually, the 'credits' i speak of refer solely to those folks who lost their
> classic work units entirely in transition to BOINC.

I gotcha on the credit bit.

> My only real problem with this thread is the counter-productiveness of calling
> everybody whiners, when many have legitimate gripes.

Read the first post in the thread shown below. This is one of the examples of whining that many are complaining about.

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=12825

While the poster may have had a legit problem with a dial-up connection, the poster instead spent his time just complaining and quitting the project instead of taking his time to make a useful constructive criticism of the problem he believed he had which could be utilized better by those that are in charge of developing BOINC. If he would have taken a minute to look at some of the other posts and the news, he would have known there was a connection issue at the time as well.

There is a big difference in my mind between constructive criticism/relaying problems and whining/complaining. While I think some of the posters that have legitimate issues are flagged as complainers by some due to how they post, there are some out there complaining just to complain especially when the project goes down and they can't connect. I agree with you though, it can be counter-productive to just get into flaming.

>There is a cost to donating CPU cycles, and SETI can have mine
>for as long as i have them to donate. :)

I agree there. I'm on my 3rd CPU fan and second power pack.

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To truly explore, one must keep an open mind...

>
> Read the first post in the thread shown below. This is one of the examples of
> whining that many are complaining about.
>
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=12825
>
> While the poster may have had a legit problem with a dial-up connection, the
> poster instead spent his time just complaining and quitting the project
> instead of taking his time to make a useful constructive criticism of the
> problem he believed he had which could be utilized better by those that are in
> charge of developing BOINC. If he would have taken a minute to look at some of
> the other posts and the news, he would have known there was a connection issue
> at the time as well.
>

Hmmm. I actually can relate to someone on dialup giving up on boinc.
My PCs have been creating constant traffic the last days while unsuccessfully trying to connect.

If you're on dialup this means your modem stays on line 24/7, which can be quite
expensive.

Regards Hans

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> Customer: I'd like a glass of coke please.
>
> Waiter: We're out of coke again today, would you like a Pepsi.
>
> Customer: No, I don't really like Pepsi. Why are you out of coke all the
> time?
>
> Waiter: Did you read the g*dd**n message board? Stop your whining you big
> baby!!
>
> __________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Customer: I'd like a glass of coke please.
>
> Waiter: We're out of coke again today, would you like a Pepsi.
>
> Customer: No, I don't really like Pepsi. Why are you out of coke all the
> time?
>
> Waiter: Our new coke machine is still in the expirmental phase and will
> encounter many problems from time to time. These are being managed to the
> best of our ability, but outages for various reasons will continue to be the
> norm for a little while longer.
>
>
>
>
>
> Which restaurant is most likely to lose your business?

Nice analogy. Wrong, but nice.

We aren't talking about the waiter saying "read the message boards" -- a better analogy has the customer interrupting the other patrons, while they're eating their food and trying to enjoy a peaceful meal.

... and the patron is sitting next to a white board that says "we're out of Coke today, please consider Pepsi"

... but the customer still has to interrupt the meal.

Now, I'm not suggesting that the people here aren't willing to help, but I am suggesting that it'd be nice if everyone would spend a minute and see if their question has already been answered, especially during or after an outage.

SETI staff posts very little here.

Make sense?

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> Customer: I'd like a glass of coke please.
>
> Waiter: We're out of coke again today, would you like a Pepsi.
>
> Customer: No, I don't really like Pepsi. Why are you out of coke all the
> time?
>
> Waiter: Did you read the g*dd**n message board? Stop your whining you big
> baby!!
>
> __________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Customer: I'd like a glass of coke please.
>
> Waiter: We're out of coke again today, would you like a Pepsi.
>
> Customer: No, I don't really like Pepsi. Why are you out of coke all the
> time?
>
> Waiter: Our new coke machine is still in the expirmental phase and will
> encounter many problems from time to time. These are being managed to the
> best of our ability, but outages for various reasons will continue to be the
> norm for a little while longer.
>
>
>
>
>
> Which restaurant is most likely to lose your business?
>
> .
>

Both, cause I want my COKE.........has no real comparison with BOINC try again

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

> >There is a cost to donating CPU cycles, and SETI can have mine
> >for as long as i have them to donate. :)
>
> I agree there. I'm on my 3rd CPU fan and second power pack.

Yes, it costs something to help, though I'm hooked on a LAN with fixed rates and unlimited traffic.
I decided not to shoot with retries at the overloaded SETI, so I used the time to bury my stuttering third fan, replaced it and added a fourth. I don't mind the money. Have PC - will crunch.
Patience, people. We have a saying in Bulgaria - "It's hard going only the first hundred years, then it gets harder". Optimistic, eh?

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> Borgholio and RDC,
>
> Actually, the 'credits' i speak of refer solely to those folks who lost their
> classic work units entirely in transition to BOINC. Some of these problems
> resulted from email address changes, ISP's going out of business, etc. making
> it impossible for them to transfer their credits.

And how are any of those problems the fault of the Seti@home team?

>Others, like me, have had
> the same email address from the beginning and it has never changed, however my
> credits were lost in the shuffle somewhere and i had to start fresh with BOINC
> as a new user.

Please explain. If you used the same email address, then the credits will be transferred over automatically.

>
> Like i said previously, i'm not concerned myeself since i didn't have that
> many units from Classic anyway. But everyone gets a chance to brag about how
> many WU's they've crunched. It's part of the fun and competition. You post
> yours right here for everyone to see so you must feel it is important. I'm
> pretty certain you'd be a bit upset if all of the sudden your results were
> reset to zero inexplicably and your profile said that you just joined the
> project yesterday as a new user. That's all i'm saying.

We understand exactly what you're saying, but all that is explained in the Classic -> BOINC transfer page.

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/transition.php

>
> My only real problem with this thread is the counter-productiveness of calling
> everybody whiners, when many have legitimate gripes.

Failing to read the ample documentation and blaming the Seti@home team for someone else's problems are far more counter-productive than telling complainers to shut up.

>And of course nothing in
> life is free. There is a cost to donating CPU cycles, and SETI can have mine
> for as long as i have them to donate. :)
>

Glad to hear it.

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You will be assimilated...bunghole!

I'm not sure which is worse, people complaining about the situation or people complaining about people who are complaining about the situation. ;) Lets not get bitter and hostile with each other. I'm sure many of us are frustrated for various reasons, which is understandable. I still think BOINC and distrbuted computing is a very interesting field, I look forward to crunching for SETI as soon as it is truly back up and running. Things are not always going to run smoothly. When things dont run smoothly, we all handle it differently. Some of us pull our hair out and holler at our PCs. Some of us ask questions to see if its a exclusve problem, and yes some of us complain. Its human nature, no one is going to change that. Lets not scare away 'crunchers' though in lou of the situation. Look forward to get back at it, for BOINC and SETI.

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I'm not talking about the Boinc program or changing it's software or plans in any shape or form. It's impossible to please all users and to imply that I'm suggesting anything of the sort is absurd.

I am specifically talking about harrassing newbies because they asked a question you're tired of reading.

I realize the news feed is on the homepage, but I'm not foolish enough to believe newbies will go to the one sided news feed before the interactive forum.

Let them graduate to the cafe before the tongue lashing begin. Maybe then we won't lose guys in a couple of days of boinc that used Classic for several years.




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> Join Climate Prediction
>
> 1 WU takes about 3 weeks. BOINC will never run out of work if you're having
> trouble getting data from SETI.
>
> Click here for info.
>
You got a special P4 2.8 that can do a complete WU in 21 days, where all the rest of us use at least 800 to 1200 hours? Doubling, trippling that when switching between client apps? Wow! ;)

I'm at 66.97% of my 5th unit, so keep calm. I'll get there before my deadline. ;)

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> 99.999% of boinc users do not have a choice of being the customer or part of
> the Boinc team.....and even then, my estimate is probably to low.
>
What did you think? The ground got too hot under your paws so you switched to another forum to continue your drab dribble?

Out of the around 180,000 of us here, you try to tell us that only 1.8 people here are actually for crunching for Seti out of their own free will?

What are the others crunching for then? Demonically possessed by Aliens from the planet beyond Pluto?

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> What did you think? <a> href="http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/forum_thread.php?id=12492">The
> ground got too hot under your paws[/url] so you switched to another forum to
> continue your drab dribble?

I switched to a forum that is for "Credit, leaderboards, CPU performance" rather than anything goes. On a topic insisting that newbies read before asking questions, I'd think you know the difference between here and the cafe.

> Out of the around 180,000 of us here, you try to tell us that only 1.8 people
> here are actually for crunching for Seti out of their own free will?

I'm saying 99.999% of the boinc users are not part of the Berkley staff, nor do they have the options of being part of the Berkley staff.

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> I am specifically talking about harrassing newbies because they asked a
> question you're tired of reading.

Sorry 'Mushed...

As a rule, we don't bash newcomers because they ask a question...

Posters with genuine questions... get a genuine answer...

However... idiots that whine about their 'classic' credits not counting for their SETI@Home/BOINC totals... ARE FAIR GAME...

I mean... the credit change was decided 2 years ago... and they still can't get their mind around it???... COME ON... Please Pay Attention!!!

OH & BTW ... it's harassing... or maybe your keyboard is sticky for some reason that I have no desire to know about... maybe it's a job related thing?

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>
> Dig,
>
> > Actually, the 'credits' i speak of refer solely to those folks who lost
> their
> > classic work units entirely in transition to BOINC.
>
> I gotcha on the credit bit.
>
> > My only real problem with this thread is the counter-productiveness of
> calling
> > everybody whiners, when many have legitimate gripes.
>
> Read the first post in the thread shown below. This is one of the examples of
> whining that many are complaining about.
>
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=12825
>
> While the poster may have had a legit problem with a dial-up connection, the
> poster instead spent his time just complaining and quitting the project
> instead of taking his time to make a useful constructive criticism of the
> problem he believed he had which could be utilized better by those that are in
> charge of developing BOINC. If he would have taken a minute to look at some of
> the other posts and the news, he would have known there was a connection issue
> at the time as well.
>
> There is a big difference in my mind between constructive criticism/relaying
> problems and whining/complaining. While I think some of the posters that have
> legitimate issues are flagged as complainers by some due to how they post,
> there are some out there complaining just to complain especially when the
> project goes down and they can't connect. I agree with you though, it can be
> counter-productive to just get into flaming.
>
> >There is a cost to donating CPU cycles, and SETI can have mine
> >for as long as i have them to donate. :)
>
> I agree there. I'm on my 3rd CPU fan and second power pack.
>
>
I see you have referenced my post, good for you the more readers the better.
However, I spent the evening troublshooting not posting, my decision to quit this project did not come lightly, I understand the problems of keeping a large project like this going during debugging.

I have no problem with that and would not have quit the project for only the reasons stated in my post. I utilized an underutilized computer that could crunch two wu's at once, or I would have stayed with seti classic all this time. I have another much faster single processor PC running the climate project with no problems at all, since it can be managed on a weekly basis, not on a daily one, takes almost no time to trickle results back and only downloads when within 7 days of compleation.

SETI could have had my CPU cycles but wanted my valuable time as well. This was not offered. I decided to quit the project and voice my displeasure due to THIS thread, I found as I was searching the posts for possible cures... I found one in this thread, if you don't like the project, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Check my past posts, few and only one topic dialup problems and I waited 8 months before I started to put in my two cents worth, I even opened the bug on the problem with boinc (gotta remember to speal it correctly hehe) Perhaps it will get fixed, I don't really care anymore. But as others have pointed out, want to contrubute? Only one game in town I think BOINC... Nuff said and no worries I am pleased you referenced my post, call it whinning if you like, perhaps your right. Who am I to judge.

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It's only a matter of time before AssMasher's true nature manifests itself on this forum too.

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RDC,

Thanks for the response. It's a minor bug in the system somewhere that i'm sure will be worked out, and i'll more than likely be included in the next update. One of the moderators here is scratching his head over it as well, but is looking into for me and i'm thankful for the help. If i had thousands of Classic credits i'd probably be upset about it, but that's not the case. No worries.

Chip, if your post was meant to include me in the group of 'idiots that whine about Classic credits' then i think you didn't understand my question. No harm done, i'm happy with BOINC and aside from my account not transferring i have had no technical issues.

It is however one example of how some newcomers (not all) can get trashed pretty easily for a legitimate concern or question regarding BOINC.

All in all, i actually think it's better software than Classic. I like it. :)

Dig

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> Chip, if your post was meant to include me in the group of 'idiots that whine
> about Classic credits' then i think you didn't understand my question. No
> harm done, i'm happy with BOINC and aside from my account not transferring i
> have had no technical issues.


Sorry Digger...

It was not directed at you....

Nick Cole comes to mind...

ksnash comes to mind...

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As Murasaki says. I totally agree with that.
Thumbs up & keep on crunching "For better or for wurse" ,-)

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Regards

> However... idiots that whine about their 'classic' credits not counting
> for their SETI@Home/BOINC totals... ARE FAIR GAME...

Did you decide this on your own because I would certainly like to see in the rule book where discrimination and abusive behavior are actually condoned.

Are you actually a member of the Berkley staff and could be considered a representative for them or just a typical boinc users like the majority of us with no say in who is "fair game" other than your own opinion?

> I mean... the credit change was decided 2 years ago... and they still
> can't get their mind around it???... COME ON... Please Pay
> Attention!!!

There is no justifiable reason for being an butthole at anytime other than by personal choice. Remember, you attract more bees with honey than with vinegar. Before anyone asks, it's a metaphor representing the relationship between how newbies are treated and the growth of boinc.....and basically every other aspect of life involving one's attitude.


> OH & BTW ... it's harassing... or maybe your keyboard is sticky for some
> reason that I have no desire to know about... maybe it's a job related thing?

These are the the type of comments I am directly refering to. Pointless, off topic and it brings the intelligence level of the entire thread down.

Suppose it's not a typo.

1) Does ones spelling ability affect their PC's ability to crunch numbers?

2) Could your attitude affect a newbies willingness to crunch numbers?

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