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Message 2036489 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 11:21:08 UTC - in response to Message 2036301.  

That is not good news.
I have been processing Work units for over 20 years.
All this time, I though the results I were sending back were being analyzed.
Are you saying you've just been collecting for 20 years, decided you have more than enough data and just now are going to start analysis?
I hope that is not the case.

So can you not distribute the analysis?
I am more than sad and disappointed, I am pissed at this news.

Hi Paul,

They are at a point of diminishing returns when it comes to distributed computing. The data they need to analyse now cannot be done in BOINC; it's a different animal.

The project will still be here and they did say that perhaps in the future we will get work again. :)

Have a great day! :)

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Message 2036512 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 13:47:29 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

If the results are published in a scientific journal, will reprints be available to volunteer supporters at no cost?
The price of journal articles is often prohibitive for non-subscriber citizen scientists.
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Message 2036514 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 14:02:10 UTC

That's sad news to hear, but I am grateful that we all had this opportunity to be apart of something so important. I'll keep an eye out for that paper, and look forward to the next big thing!
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Message 2036520 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 15:01:35 UTC

I was on a business trip this past week, and when talking to my wife one night she mentioned the CNN article about SETI@Home shutting down. I finally had time to come to the boards this morning and read through the posts.

I have been a continuous cruncher since Sept 27th, 1999. My PC upgrades over the years were always justified by either SETI or FPS games :-)

I am very glad to have been a part of this ambitious effort. Thanks to the team that has lead this effort over the past 2+ decades and thank you to all of you who have also contributed to this over the years. I have always been amazed at how much can be accomplished when people join something like this.

I look forward to the next phase for SETI and will be ready and waiting to lend my CPU and GPU power to whatever future needs arise.

I am also quite curious to learn how much my electric bill will drop in April and beyond :-)

/salute
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Message 2036523 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 15:16:27 UTC

very sad i am :(
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Message 2036535 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 16:04:38 UTC

It was quite a ride.

I'm onboard for nearly 14 years on this project. I wish good luck and success to the scientific team (and all of us volunteers), on the work to analyze and publish the results. I also hope the spirit of collaboration and openness that permeates the project extends all the way to its end, with its results (papers + raw data) published under open access, to reach scientists and the broader mankind living outside the paywalls.
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Message 2036553 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 17:17:48 UTC

Has anyone ever asked microsoft, intell, amd or other pc hardware manufacturers for funding assistance to help with this project? I have purchased several pc components and built extra computers to accelerate my seti@home peformance.
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Message 2036555 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 17:49:55 UTC

I am honored to have been a part of SETI@HOME since its conception.
Started crunching packets in May of 1999 with 24/7/365 of 21 years of continuous processing.
Hopefully your analysis of the data has been sufficient enough to make a conclusion.

I look forward to reading your final report.

I believe there is other conscience life out there, its only a matter of time ....

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Message 2036557 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 17:55:55 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  
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You weren't analyzing as we sent you the data? Why couldn't you be doing this and having us send you the WUs? Seti is the only place for normal people to actually interact with this stuff. Very disappointing. You will be missed! We will keep the light on for you Seti!
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Message 2036565 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 18:45:56 UTC
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The analysis is correlating signals from the same place at different times (months at the very least, over several years and samples is better) to see if there are any persistent signals rather than just odd blips. Obviously this is not possible until there is a large body of data spread over a few years. There was an attempt to do some of the analysis using "Nitpiker", but this failed due to inadequate hardware, but "Nebula" is currently being developed, and that will run on a super-computer due to the sized of the data to be worked with.
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Message 2036574 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 19:54:47 UTC

As a Seti@home and later a BOINC subscriber since Sep 10, 1999 I am upset that Seti is going down.

I saw that you cannot involve us in the analysis as that needs a supercomputer, but still it does hurt that our machines will go silent very soon wrt Seti. Hopefully your analysis will show something interesting and we will restart Seti or some semblance thereof.

I have been proud to work on this project. I agree with an earlier poster that it would be very nice to have a Seti final certificate available that would be suitable for posting for those of us that wish to do so.

Good luck with the data analysis and I shall continue crunching until the bitter end.

Someone suggested making the paper that you will be developing made available to Seti crunchers. I think that would be a good idea. Make a pdf version available after you have published your article. As an Engineer I would be very interested in viewing the culmination of over 20 years of work by all of us Seti crunchers.

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Message 2036598 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 22:47:26 UTC
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looks like everything has come to an end ;-) I do not really belive in that... but it looks like the opposite with this hibernation.

Have a good time
&
thats all folks

hmmm so no SG Wow! event in 2020 '^ ^ or ????

farewell and sayonara

kittywave and alotta meowmeowpurrrrrrrrs

(and I was on the way rebuild my seti cruncher the next few weeks.... hmmm in that case I can postprone that '^ ^)
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Message 2036599 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 22:48:27 UTC

i've been crunching for SETI@home since early 2004.
This is the project that always struck an emotional chord
deep within me.

i'm sure there are many other very worthwhile projects
but it won't be the same. i've been reading and watching
science fiction for 55+ years and have wanted to meet ET
for all of those.

This is like losing a family member.



Mike



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Message 2036610 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 23:32:07 UTC - in response to Message 2036376.  

What is there closest project to SETI?


That is hard to say. S@H combined Astronomy and Biology. Not too many BOINC projects do that.

I am running World Community Grid which is a project aggregator. It is, so far, a CPU only project. They assist research in various major disease issues like Cancer, Zika, Aids. Lately, they have added a weather forecasting project for Africa to help the farmers decide what/when to plant.

I and many others have been running Einstein@Home as a backup gpu project. There has been some private discussion (inside a team) about switching to E@H fulltime. The CPU tasks take many hours to process. Gpu tasks are much faster. If I understand it right some gpu tasks take more CPU power to crunch than others.

There are pure math projects but I prefer some kind of science even basic research.

Gpugrid is an Nvidia gpu oriented biology type project (I think). It is reported to work your gpu harder than S@H.

You can experiment now while continuing to crunch S@H and see what you like.

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Message 2036615 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 23:41:27 UTC

Congratulations on completing this phase of your project! Thanks for the opportunity to participate. its been fun and opened the doors to so many other projects to which me and my machines could contribute. (My electric utility really likes you, too. )
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Message 2036617 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 23:52:10 UTC - in response to Message 2036489.  

That is not good news.
I have been processing Work units for over 20 years.
All this time, I though the results I were sending back were being analyzed.
Are you saying you've just been collecting for 20 years, decided you have more than enough data and just now are going to start analysis?
I hope that is not the case.

So can you not distribute the analysis?
I am more than sad and disappointed, I am pissed at this news.

Hi Paul,

They are at a point of diminishing returns when it comes to distributed computing. The data they need to analyse now cannot be done in BOINC; it's a different animal.

The project will still be here and they did say that perhaps in the future we will get work again. :)

Have a great day! :)

Siran


How exactly can they not process & analyze the data via distributed computing? By all intents and purposes this colossal amount of data appears to be a perfect candidate for distributed computing with a different algorithm or rules? Your explanation is very short sided. Please do explain further if you know. Thanks
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Message 2036618 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 23:53:55 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

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Message 2036621 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 23:57:01 UTC - in response to Message 2036467.  

and win that cash prize you were offering back in 1999 when you first started this.

Hey, here is an idea. Almost since the dawn of the project the biggest standing joke has been the infamous Seti toaster that nobody ever got. What if some enterprising person or Group produced a stick-on label saying "Official Seti Toaster" or similar and flogged them tor say $2 each.

We get what we always wanted, Seti gets a farewell boost to their coffers to pay for keeping the boards up and going. If nothing else a bit of fun to lift the descending doom & gloom.

Typical example:-

I Believe it ALL was a way to Create Part-Time Work for a few UCB Profs. It is always nice to have a very Well Paying Part-time Job.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Seti was used as an experiment to prove the concept of DC with the General Public, as back in the late 90's mainframe time was prohibitively expensive. That it did so well, that along came BOINC so that other scientific projects could use the same platform.


Im not inclined to believe in the part time work sentiment, but the extremely poor way we found out certainly makes one think that. A very unenthusiastic way of announcing this leaves nothing but a bitter taste in my mouth. Personally I think they've just gotten bored or tired of the seti project and are letting it die instead of handing off the torch. For god's sakes I found out that seti was closing from CNN. They could have at least sent us an email or personal message....Ive also read through all 5 pages of this thread and not one person directly associated with the project had chimed in to anyone's concerns or anything.
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Message 2036626 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 0:07:29 UTC - in response to Message 2036621.  
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They could have at least sent us an email or personal message
They did you goose.
It was posted on the main news page, and those posts are sent to all BOINC Managers running Seti, and then come up on the notices tab.


Personally I think they've just gotten bored or tired of the seti project and are letting it die instead of handing off the torch.
Personally i don''t think you've bothered to pay the slightest bit of attention to what the staff have posted on the subject.
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Message 2036627 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 0:08:37 UTC - in response to Message 2036617.  
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How exactly can they not process & analyze the data via distributed computing?


Nebula's analysis is looking for "beacon" repeating signals from the same direction. In order to do that comparison meaningfully, they need the entire database at the same place at the same time.

I'd suggest reading Dr. Anderson's postings in the Nebula forum, which go into details.
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