B) The download list supports multi-select. Click, shift-click, Retry Now, put the kettle on. (Once selected, they stay selected, so it's just 'Retry' next time.)

. . A I had noticed (and used) but I was unaware of B. But in this present dilemma I did not think ti would be of much avail.

Stephen

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If you're in the middle of re-caching, you might have 100 tasks waiting to download. You can multi-select, then leave the mouse pointer hovering over 'Retry'. Click as much as you want, and the retries will be continuous. Eventually, one will latch on, and you can walk away.

Whatever has been done has helped, but the underlying issue is still there and needs to be addressed.

. . OR the download servers are fixed but are being swamped ...

Which happens after every outage, even the extended ones, but with completely different symptoms.

Definitely getting sick again, from what I can see. It may be a long weekend ...

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Definitely getting sick again, from what I can see. It may be a long weekend ...

It certainly affects the faster systems the most.

If only returning a few WUs at a time, even when the downloads time out on their first attempt, a couple of times in a row the backoffs aren't too silly. However if you've got a lot of work to return and the first few tries don't succeed while the backoffs aren't too bad, if you miss on the next attempt then things degrade quickly.
And even only trying to download 1 WU at a time, after those first couple of failed attempts things can quickly spiral to multi hour backoffs.
And even when things go well, the more WUs you have to download, the greater the chance that even after getting them downloading there will be one (or more) that doesn't download & just times out & blows out the project backoffs even more.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Yea its definitely still a problem - Not a Glitch, LOL.
I went back to 1 task downloads with much better results than 4, but still a few go to backoffs and have to do retries every so often to keep things going.

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Definitely getting sick again, from what I can see. It may be a long weekend ...

It certainly affects the faster systems the most.

If only returning a few WUs at a time, even when the downloads time out on their first attempt, a couple of times in a row the backoffs aren't too silly. However if you've got a lot of work to return and the first few tries don't succeed while the backoffs aren't too bad, if you miss on the next attempt then things degrade quickly.
And even only trying to download 1 WU at a time, after those first couple of failed attempts things can quickly spiral to multi hour backoffs.
And even when things go well, the more WUs you have to download, the greater the chance that even after getting them downloading there will be one (or more) that doesn't download & just times out & blows out the project backoffs even more.

+1
Exactly the case I am observing.

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Yea its definitely still a problem - Not a Glitch, LOL.
I went back to 1 task downloads with much better results than 4, but still a few go to backoffs and have to do retries every so often to keep things going.

I set the cc_config back to stock two tasks and still having issues. I have tried on this daily driver to revert to last night's single task download temporarily and it isn't helping either, just as with yesterday, still the chance you will be left with at least one stuck download which blows everything out.

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I see the AP Assimilator (synergy) kicked back in as well.
I was wondering before if a hang in that was causing issues.
IDK

I think the current round of download issues could be associated with synergy trying to clear the historical large AP assimilation.
Synergy is also the scheduling server, scheduler process , and feeder.

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Still getting stuck tasks on all hosts leading to multi hour backoffs.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

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Still getting stuck tasks on all hosts leading to multi hour backoffs.

Beat me to it- looks like we're almost back to where we were yesterday.
50+ retries to get a single WU to upload, a couple more follow, then it all grinds to a halt again with 6+ hour backoffs.

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Grant
Darwin NT

I'm having really good luck here, but continually watching BoincTasks transfers.
Even with a 1 task limit, inevitably the first 1 or 2 downloads fail, but the remaining will start up. By clicking retry on those first 2 while the other downloads are in progress the entire batch goes through.
It's just establishing that first connection that's a pain. And seems even more so on my slower computers trying for 1 or 2 tasks. A pain to get them started ...

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It's just establishing that first connection that's a pain. And seems even more so on my slower computers trying for 1 or 2 tasks. A pain to get them started ...

Physically a pain.
I've given up as my wrist & hand is sore from the number of times I've clicked on Retry now with no luck.

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Grant
Darwin NT

I don't want to tempt fate, but maybe things are finally working again?

One of my systems managed to clear some of it's downloads when the backoff time was reached, and a retry cleared the others. And 2 Scheduler requests since then have resulted in downloads not timing out (even though slower than usual, and taking several seconds to actually start- but at least it's not an instant timeout). Gave Retry pending transfers another go on my other system, and they too cleared. And the following Scheduler request resulted in WUs that downloaded themselves.
Maybe, maybe...?

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Grant
Darwin NT

Yes it seems better the last 15 minutes. But still the odd straggler that starts the backoffs if not caught.

It's just establishing that first connection that's a pain. And seems even more so on my slower computers trying for 1 or 2 tasks. A pain to get them started ...

Physically a pain.
I've given up as my wrist & hand is sore from the number of times I've clicked on Retry now with no luck.

I know what you mean. My hand goes numb from resting on the table clicking the mouse for retries.

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Mine isn't that bad... 50 at a time download, 43 complete, 7 in back off but then I manually retry those and all complete the download. So, for me it's getting better.

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Mine isn't that bad... 50 at a time download, 43 complete, 7 in back off but then I manually retry those and all complete the download. So, for me it's getting better.

Yes, doable. But requires constant manual intervention. BOINC is supposed to be a hand's off and everything runs on its own program. Not for high production hosts though. At least with the current state of the flaky servers.

I expect to be seeing cold iron tomorrow morning like this morning and spend the day trying to unstick downloads to rebuild the caches.

They need to revisit the download servers again and see what changed before the outage yesterday morning and things were working normally.

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They need to revisit the download servers again and see what changed before the outage yesterday morning and things were working normally.

Or what did they do during the outage that killed them so successfully?

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Grant
Darwin NT

. . Well the site is back up, the forums are back up and I was able to report work. But! Back to the usual post outage "no tasks available" :(

. . What was that song? 2 out of 3 something or other :)

. . Hey! I just got 3 tasks, and 2 stalled in d/ls :( Talk about jinxing myself ...

Stephen

:)

Greetings,

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=82901&postid=1983098#1983098

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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i reported work and was able to get 63 tasks on one system, and a few on another.

but the same problem as before with the downloads. requiring many many retries before they finally download.

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