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Message 2001315 - Posted: 6 Jul 2019, 13:05:03 UTC

Tomorrow. We get some more outside reviews. And can order them too!

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Message 2001316 - Posted: 6 Jul 2019, 13:05:53 UTC - in response to Message 2001313.  

So AMD can manage to very seriously compete with Intel who have their own fabs, yet can't compete with Nvidia who don't?
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense ATM... Certainly not making them look good.
(Meaning, all the hard work they put in to compete against Intel -and pull off a miracle- is kinda getting cancelled out with Navi pricing).
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Message 2001332 - Posted: 6 Jul 2019, 16:24:43 UTC - in response to Message 2001316.  

I heard news that they were dropping all the introductory pricing they had previously announced to better compete with Nvidia Super launch prices.
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Message 2001349 - Posted: 6 Jul 2019, 18:37:11 UTC - in response to Message 2001332.  

I heard news that they were dropping all the introductory pricing they had previously announced to better compete with Nvidia Super launch prices.


They are and AMD has called Nvidia's bluff! Its completely savage to throw out fake prices then Nvidia brings out the Super cards and their pricing then AMD trolls them with the "sales" prices which are really just the regular prices LOL! I love Nvidia and AMD but this competition is like the electronics version of the muscle car wars!

Tomorrow is the big day though! I'm perfectly happy with my 2700x and 1950x but it's going to be exciting to see AMD take the lead. I never used to like AMD at all and would always steer clear of them and build Intel systems and recommend them to others but now I'm team red. I bought a laptop for college in 2011 and all Walmart had in stock was an HP ENVY with an AMD processor. Let me tell you... that laptop is still going strong to this day and is still pretty quick by todays standards.

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Message 2001391 - Posted: 6 Jul 2019, 21:51:50 UTC - in response to Message 2001349.  
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is still pretty quick by todays standards.

This your AMD A8-5550M? Depends on what you mean by quick.
At less than 1/4 of the performance of current high end laptops, and roughly 1/3 of the performance of current mid range laptops, i'd have to say it's not very quick at all by todays standards.
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Message 2001405 - Posted: 6 Jul 2019, 22:30:19 UTC - in response to Message 2001349.  

I heard news that they were dropping all the introductory pricing they had previously announced to better compete with Nvidia Super launch prices.


They are and AMD has called Nvidia's bluff! Its completely savage to throw out fake prices then Nvidia brings out the Super cards and their pricing then AMD trolls them with the "sales" prices which are really just the regular prices LOL! I love Nvidia and AMD but this competition is like the electronics version of the muscle car wars!

Tomorrow is the big day though! I'm perfectly happy with my 2700x and 1950x but it's going to be exciting to see AMD take the lead. I never used to like AMD at all and would always steer clear of them and build Intel systems and recommend them to others but now I'm team red. I bought a laptop for college in 2011 and all Walmart had in stock was an HP ENVY with an AMD processor. Let me tell you... that laptop is still going strong to this day and is still pretty quick by todays standards.


Maybe he was an English Major which means "pretty quick" Word processing. :)
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Message 2001447 - Posted: 7 Jul 2019, 1:52:01 UTC - in response to Message 2001391.  

is still pretty quick by todays standards.

This your AMD A8-5550M? Depends on what you mean by quick.
At less than 1/4 of the performance of current high end laptops, and roughly 1/3 of the performance of current mid range laptops, i'd have to say it's not very quick at all by todays standards.


I meant its quick for doing basic tasks........ not crunching, gaming or high end work. So to me its pretty quick for what it is.

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Message 2001449 - Posted: 7 Jul 2019, 1:56:54 UTC - in response to Message 2001405.  

I heard news that they were dropping all the introductory pricing they had previously announced to better compete with Nvidia Super launch prices.


They are and AMD has called Nvidia's bluff! Its completely savage to throw out fake prices then Nvidia brings out the Super cards and their pricing then AMD trolls them with the "sales" prices which are really just the regular prices LOL! I love Nvidia and AMD but this competition is like the electronics version of the muscle car wars!

Tomorrow is the big day though! I'm perfectly happy with my 2700x and 1950x but it's going to be exciting to see AMD take the lead. I never used to like AMD at all and would always steer clear of them and build Intel systems and recommend them to others but now I'm team red. I bought a laptop for college in 2011 and all Walmart had in stock was an HP ENVY with an AMD processor. Let me tell you... that laptop is still going strong to this day and is still pretty quick by todays standards.


Maybe he was an English Major which means "pretty quick" Word processing. :)



Pretty much lol

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Message 2001503 - Posted: 7 Jul 2019, 13:43:54 UTC

It's 7/7!
We're live :)

(I obviously haven't had time to watch these BTW)

Level 1 Techs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98TO2KM30o0

Hardware Unboxed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDVUdpcKZMA
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Message 2001508 - Posted: 7 Jul 2019, 13:59:27 UTC

OK, so I'm only halfway through the Hardware Unboxed review but I can already tell that...
This thread is going to explode far more than it already has!

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Message 2001510 - Posted: 7 Jul 2019, 14:29:40 UTC

Linus doing a review of the AMD 3700x and 3900x vs their Intel competitors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3aEv3EzMyQ
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Message 2001518 - Posted: 7 Jul 2019, 15:02:18 UTC
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One of my (web)shops has the AMD Gen3 CPUs and motherboards put up with Dutch prices:
https://www.cdromland.nl/info/x570-moederborden
AMD 3600: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261303
AMD 3600X: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261302
AMD 3700X: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261301
AMD 3800X: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261300
AMD 3900X: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261299 (and now all learn this is a Dodeca-Core :))
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Message 2001521 - Posted: 7 Jul 2019, 15:09:18 UTC

Test results and summary about what I expected. AMD is back on top for consumer general purpose cpus. Need to see more reviews of Ryzen Gen. 3 on older X470 motherboards.
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Message 2001606 - Posted: 8 Jul 2019, 8:29:39 UTC
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They haven't quite matched Intel on IPC (Instructions per Clock), but overall they're damn close. But when it comes to programmes that can use multiple threads, and power efficiency, they have certainly taken the lead.
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Message 2001611 - Posted: 8 Jul 2019, 9:35:33 UTC

There seems to be an issue with the new Ryzen 3K processors in combination with the latest Linux distributions:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x-linux&num=2

The Ryzen 3K processors seem to work with Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, but not with Ubuntu 19.04 (and other more recent distributions).

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Message 2001631 - Posted: 8 Jul 2019, 14:06:00 UTC - in response to Message 2001611.  
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There seems to be an issue with the new Ryzen 3K processors in combination with the latest Linux distributions:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x-linux&num=2

The Ryzen 3K processors seem to work with Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, but not with Ubuntu 19.04 (and other more recent distributions).

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In spite of the caveat the rest of the review shows Zen 2 being competitive to superior in raw performance. When you add cost to the equation I can't see any reason for anyone but a pure gamer to buy the equivalent Intel cpus.

On the other hand if you already own those Intel CPU's I can't see a strong reason to replace the CPU/MB.

But I can see lots of people who own older Am4 socket motherboards migrating to the 3900x or waiting on the 3950x.

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Message 2001663 - Posted: 8 Jul 2019, 16:55:44 UTC - in response to Message 2001611.  

There seems to be an issue with the new Ryzen 3K processors in combination with the latest Linux distributions:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x-linux&num=2

The Ryzen 3K processors seem to work with Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, but not with Ubuntu 19.04 (and other more recent distributions).

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Strange that they are just now finding issues with the higher kernels. The engineering samples have been out for months. The Phoronix site has been publishing articles weekly about how all the latest kernels have the march=znver2 compiler flag ready for improved performance on the cpus.
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Message 2001947 - Posted: 10 Jul 2019, 15:20:02 UTC

"Best" X570 motherboards with lots of pcie slots include at least

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRESTIGE-X570-CREATION/Specification
Which apparently has 7 slots.

I saw a lot of 5 slot X570's. Are there any other 6+ expansion slot X570's at the moment?

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Message 2002011 - Posted: 10 Jul 2019, 22:33:23 UTC - in response to Message 2001606.  

They haven't quite matched Intel on IPC (Instructions per Clock), but overall they're damn close. But when it comes to programmes that can use multiple threads, and power efficiency, they have certainly taken the lead.


No quite right.
Amd has surpassed it.. https://www.sweclockers.com/test/27760-amd-ryzen-9-3900x-och-7-3700x-matisse/28#content

In Swedish it says that the cpus are running at 2.8Ghz so we can clearly see that if a processor is pegged at only 2.8 the Ryzen 3000 series is now in the IPC lead over Intel! Hats off Amd.

3700X soon in my pc. :)

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Message 2002032 - Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 0:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 2001521.  
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Test results and summary about what I expected. AMD is back on top for consumer general purpose cpus. Need to see more reviews of Ryzen Gen. 3 on older X470 motherboards.

From the later tests and reviews comparing the same Ryzen 3000 cpus on X570 mobos against X470 mobos with the same memory kits, the X570 boards have a slight advantage in memory speeds over X470 motherboards.

Still, it's great you can just drop the new processor into the same socket on your X470 or X370 motherboard and get better memory speeds than you were able to achieve on the X370 and X470 motherboards.

Proves it wasn't the motherboard or memory sticks that held back the memory speeds on the earlier generations. It was the IMC in the earlier cpus that limited the memory clocks.
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