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Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34258 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
About 98% of the Top500 computers run Linux. That`s just because of the special sauce, not win 10 in particular. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
Primarily true I suppose. But my last machine was running Win10 and I didn't really feel any urgent need to drop Win10 and move to Linux until Win10 blew up on me 3 times in a row. It wouldn't let me restore any backup and then wouldn't let me do a complete reinstall from the install USB. I never had that much trouble with Windows 7 which I ran without any issues from 2011 till 2017. So after much frustration and two wasted days, I said to hell with Win 10 and had Ubuntu 18.04 up and running in an hour. Never going back unless it would be to Windows 7. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
Never going back unless it would be to Windows 7.And be in Update Hell for three days? Best not. :) |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
In LHC@home, which uses also VirtualBox on some projects, 67% of the users run Linux, 21% run Windows 10, the rest other Windows and Darwin. I am running Windows 10 on my fastest PC and it runs well. Two Linux boxes have older and slower CPUs. The Windows 10 PC has a Ryzen 5 1400 with 4 cores which runs eight tasks and a GPU task on its GTX 1060 GPU. Tullio I have 19 ghost tasks not downloaded on my main Linux box on November 18. They are given as running but they are not. |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
Never going back unless it would be to Windows 7.And be in Update Hell for three days? Best not. :) Ubuntu was running good until about 2 updates ago. Then things have slowly started to go wrong. At first it was simple things but slowly getting worse. I've stopped updating the computers to try and keep them stable but of the 2 that I did update, I getting error message in running some of my bash files. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13736 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
I've only got 2 issues with Win10. 1 The forced updates. I run WIn10 Pro, so I can postpone most updates for over 3 months, as well as opt for what was the business update branch- basically the updates don't start coming through till after all home/personal systems have been updated, then I get them 3 months after that due to my update delay settings. That generally gives them time to fix things that should have been fixed before the update was rolled out. However it should be possible as it was with previous versions to not do certain updates- I don't run Internet Information Services, so I don't need those updates. And not being in Uzbekistan I don't need their DST or language pack updates, so it should be possible to not accept them. Running WIn10 Pro makes it possible to use the Group Policy Editor to block driver updates- it's something that should be possible on Home versions as well. As we've noticed here after each new round up dates comes through and people's systems start throwing GPU computation errors, not all updates offer improvements. 2 When I use the search function on my computer, it because i'm searching my computer. I don't want any web results- if I did, i'd be searching the web, not my computer. Unfortunately searching my computer only isn't possible. Considerable annoyance. As for all the other things people complain about relating to Win 10, they're just the same as the complaints people have made about every new OS since DOS was first released. Grant Darwin NT |
Jimbocous Send message Joined: 1 Apr 13 Posts: 1853 Credit: 268,616,081 RAC: 1,349 |
I've only got 2 issues with Win10. +1 |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
I've only got 2 issues with Win10. Hi Grant, Number 1, I agree. Micro$oft should go back to the way updates worked in Win7. Number 2, When I search my PC, the search is limited to only my PC. It does not go to the Internet. I don't have the "search bar" on the task bar, just the magnifying glass icon. I have Cortana disabled to the max. When I click the icon, a search window pops up. To the life of me, I cannot remember how I went about setting up search that way. I suppose I could Google it. ;) Have a great day! :) Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20291 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... But you still don't understand. If there is a bug in open source you the user must patch it and there isn't anyone to sue because the software isn't "merchantable" or "fit for a particular purpose." Now if that bug happens to order your million dollar machine to break itself and now you can't make your product for a couple of weeks while it is being fixed, go sing the praises of your great software, while you spec software that is certified to work with your million dollar machine's exact model and serial number. To use your mode of speech, and as very well you already know: You get what you pay for in terms of support. If you want support and legally binding guarantees, then you indeed can pay for that by using Linux via various companies, including certain billion dollar 'big' companies such as IBM and Red Hat. Note that you are using Linux infrastructure when you buy into the world of Microsoft Windows. Note also that with GPL (or compatible licensed) code, you also gain the freedom and the right to use the source code howsoever you wish, to modify it and develop it further, make a big business from that, with the only requirement that you follow whatever laws apply and that you also maintain the code as freely available to all. With that, for code of interest, there will be a community of interested people/groups that will personally maintain that code. Usually with great pride and positivity that simply cannot be matched in the typical business case. That works very well and has spawned such as Google (Alphabet), Facebook, and others that now dominate the internet (for good and bad). There are various quotes about how Linux has already gained world domination... There is some astronomical value quoted somewhere for the dollar value of the Linux kernel and GNU OS... For just one example of 'Linux everywhere': Linux will seem to be everywhere in 2019 Or let me put it this way, do you want the flight control software on the jumbo jet you just got on to be a canned open source program that promises to fly everything from hobby drones to falcon rockets, or do you want it to be custom software made specifically for that air-frame with the knowledge of the flight test engineers? ... I very much have far greater faith in fully open code that can be scrutinized by all, that is written by coders who KNOW that their code WILL be scrutinized, rather than suffer the secretive typical proprietary rushed hacks whereby the only requirement is to sneak past any safety tests with the cheapest and greatest of haste with whatever end results be damned... IT is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20291 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Coming back to the real world with an almighty thump!... Can you believe it!! Microsoft's Trying Out a New Office App and Redesigned Start Menu ... Microsoft has redesigned the Start menu, released a new Office app and made plenty of other updates that make it clearly distinguishable from its predecessors... ... Preview Build 18305 also includes new troubleshooting features that allow Windows 10 to automatically resolve "critical" problems so things keep operating as intended. Microsoft said this feature can't be disabled, though, which could lead to problems... ... Just remember that this is pre-release software, so it's all but guaranteed to have glaring issues. IT is what we allow it to be... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
There is simple explanation of M$ behavior ;) At the head of M$ AI already stands. Malicious one. And it(he?) makes all to prepare coming of Rise of Machines . Simple theory but explaining a lot :D SETI apps news We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20291 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
For the year 2018 that was, The Register give a great summary of the year of Microsoft. I've forgotten what the full list of the Seven Deadly Sins are. However, my reading of this fairytale, for my personal view at the very least, includes: Greed; Avarice; Incompetence; and Entrapment. I'm sure noone wants my views about the propaganda of Marketing... The Year 2018 of Microsoft! Yae!! Enjoy? Microsoft's 2018, part 1: Open source, wobbly Windows and everyone's going to the cloud ... January to June... Microsoft's 2018, part 2: Azure data centres heat up and Windows 10? It burns! It burns! Remains of the year laid bare as we flay July to December... Who would believe it?! Wait! Hang on...! That ain't no fairytale... IT is what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
Just noticed that one of my systems running Windows 7 hadn't updated since the 18th of August 2018. Windows Update is set to check automatically for updates, although to let me know there are updates, not download or install them automatically. Apparently that's broken as well. Oh well, only one more year, ey? :) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Just noticed that one of my systems running Windows 7 hadn't updated since the 18th of August 2018. Windows Update is set to check automatically for updates, although to let me know there are updates, not download or install them automatically. Apparently that's broken as well. Oh well, only one more year, ey? :) 10 to 1 an update failed and you will have to go in and manually clear that failed update from the history. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20291 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Read all about it! Is this an example of an overly fragile Microsoft world this time breaking the news?... [PC virus] disrupts distribution of multiple US newspapers Read all about it!... IT is what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Read all about it! RYUK, North Korean State created Ransomware, which has to be spearphised into place. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
Read all about it! And this has... what to do with Windows 10? There is no mention of Micro$oft or Windows 10 in that article. I fail to see the relevance. :\ Have a great day! :) Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20291 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Read all about it! The relevance is that Windows systems continue to suffer virus and other malware silliness. We have a big news item reporting worldwide that some news publishing itself was disrupted and delayed due to a computer virus. There is a VERY GREAT and BAD cost with all the malware that DECADES LATER IS STILL A BAD PROBLEM. And I personally see no meaningful action by Microsoft to do anything to rid the Windows system of an ongoing continuing blizzard of vulnerability. All after how many years? Note that there are more widely used operating systems that simply do not support viruses. There are very real additional costs to using Microsoft... IT is what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
It was ransomware. As Gary already said, the Ryuk ransomware. This is used by directed attacks, not just general malware. It will encrypt any server it is steered onto, Windows, Linux and others. And this is why you have air-gapped backups. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
Read all about it! Hi Martin, To be honest, I did think about the virus aspect and that Windows is the #1 target. I agree, it does seem that Micro$oft just does not care, despite the fact that they say their "customers security is our top priority" or however they word it. That's what happens when a company is run by the money grubbing share holders instead of the product builders. Blizzard Entertainment (World of Warcraft) is going through the same crap with Activision being their parent. Blizzard has always been for gamers; Activision is for the money. And Activision is changing things at Blizzard, and not for the better. (Yes, a bit off topic, but it fits.) Question is, how do we fight back since they took away a really good option FOR fighting back against Micro$oft? No Class Action lawsuits. :( Could you imagine the money Micro$oft would have had to pay out over the years because of Windows 10 and all the problems it causes, had they not taken away Class Actions? Probably why it was done. Have a great day! :) Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
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