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Message 1686802 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:21:51 UTC

The last time I tested the windows 10 beta, the updates were always forced and you could only choose between automatic or scheduled restart after updates were installed. I understand that this makes sense because they need current builds to be tested, and computers that stubbornly insist on staying with older drivers don't provide them microsoft with useful feedback for development.

I don't know if the final version of windows 10 will have the same level or lack thereof of update/restart control.

The only reason I'm not running windows 10 beta right now is because the amd drivers that are included with windows 10 didn't give me control over crossfire; I always turn crossfire off because that setting gives more crunching performance. I had tried replacing microsoft's amd windows 10 drivers with the latest from the amd website, but every time I did that, windows 10 would revert back automatically to microsoft's drivers. The driver dates on amd's drivers from the amd website were newer, but it looked like the version numbering for windows 10 drivers was different so microsoft's amd drivers always won out in the end. Of course if I didn't have any multi-gpu machines I wouldn't have even been concerned with crossfire and windows 10 would have been an appropriate test for me. This problem wouldn't affect nvidia users because the easiest way to ensure sli isn't enabled is to not install the sli bridges in the first place.
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Message 1686803 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:23:09 UTC - in response to Message 1686773.  

I'm going to assume that computers on a domain and unregistered copies of windows don't get the notification,


Any computer relying on Windows Update will get the notification. Any computer managed by WSUS or SCCM will only get the notification if the Admin/Engineer pushes out the appropriate patch.
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Message 1686808 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:31:17 UTC

We run WSUS so I would expect that the patch would not be pushed out by default. It would be a lot of work for me if a hundred field reps trashed their computers all at once upgrading to windows 10.
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Message 1686810 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:32:07 UTC - in response to Message 1686808.  

Agreed. I won't be deploying it through SCCM either.
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Message 1686828 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 2:51:49 UTC

I wasn't aware that non-Microsoft drivers - particularly GPU drivers that are pertinent to us here - would be forced on users in Windows 10. I'm normally not too fussed about Microsoft Updates specific to the Windows system itself, though there are sometimes cases of systems breaking with bad updates being pushed out prematurely. But I'd really prefer to be in control of the hardware drivers even though, for me, the current stable releases have been fine.

I did a quick search and found cases of people hacking the registry in order to regain the ability to completely disable Microsoft Updates in the Windows 10 previews. If that's what we have to do to achieve anything except 'automatically download and install updates' (and automatically reboot too) for the final release in Windows 10, I'll be really disappointed. I could also hope that PC games move away from their reliance on DirectX and Windows, but I don't think that will happen in the short term.
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Message 1686830 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 2:54:15 UTC

Downloading the technical preview through Windows update using windows 10 insider preview once this is downloaded the installation file does it allow you to turn your computer off before installing or must it install the update like any other windows updates before you can turn your computer off. If I was to download the ISO does it give you the option to install from hard drive as an upgrade. Whatever way you do the installation it is quite in the processes isn't it like 3 to 4 hours. I will be upgrading from windows 8.1
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Message 1686837 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 3:12:39 UTC - in response to Message 1686777.  

I am looking forward to Windows 10, except for one thing. I will lose control of updates, which can force reboots at a bad time. As I am a software engineer, I create tests that can take over a week to complete. An unscheduled reboot could cost a week of testing.

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With the current beta versions it is a pain to actually disable updates. I imagine there will probably be a 3rd party tool to make it easier in the future.
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Message 1686839 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 3:15:56 UTC - in response to Message 1686828.  

I wasn't aware that non-Microsoft drivers - particularly GPU drivers that are pertinent to us here - would be forced on users in Windows 10. I'm normally not too fussed about Microsoft Updates specific to the Windows system itself, though there are sometimes cases of systems breaking with bad updates being pushed out prematurely. But I'd really prefer to be in control of the hardware drivers......



Yes, this is my biggest concern, besides what to do if I need to reinstall the OS. If Microsoft's forced video drivers caused errors with crunching, and we were stuck with them, it would be a disaster.
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Message 1686866 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 4:54:25 UTC

Don't worry too much about forced updates. I was testing the technical preview on my lappy and it was rather easy to disable automatic updates by changing some options in the group policy editor.

What I don't understand is why I should reserve a copy of W10 since it's free anyway. Also, I wonder if we will get the option for a clean install.
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Message 1686902 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 6:18:12 UTC - in response to Message 1686868.  

Don't worry too much about forced updates. I was testing the technical preview on my lappy and it was rather easy to disable automatic updates by changing some options in the group policy editor.

What I don't understand is why I should reserve a copy of W10 since it's free anyway. Also, I wonder if we will get the option for a clean install.

Probably MS attempt to get everyone to install Win10. Through 'nagging'.


it's FREE for a year only...and only for Win7 & 8 users... ;)


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Message 1686908 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 7:04:31 UTC - in response to Message 1686802.  

The last time I tested the windows 10 beta, the updates were always forced and you could only choose between automatic or scheduled restart after updates were installed. I understand that this makes sense because they need current builds to be tested, and computers that stubbornly insist on staying with older drivers don't provide them microsoft with useful feedback for development.

I don't know if the final version of windows 10 will have the same level or lack thereof of update/restart control.

From what I've read the Home version will still be automatic, no way around it.
The Pro & Corporate versions can be set to notify only, so updates can be tried on one system before being rolled out to others.
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Message 1686911 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 7:28:20 UTC

This VentureBeat article may be of interest for a few of you. My win7 laptop got the "upgrade to Windows 10" icon in the tray some time on Monday. You can get rid of it by uninstalling a recent update.

"Venture Beat" wrote:
The update behind this notification is KB3035583, which also happens to be responsible for the actual Windows 10 upgrade process. While KB3035583 was originally released in March, it was first offered as an Optional update, but more recently switched to Recommended (meaning users would automatically receive it if they have Automatic Updates turned on).

If you got this prompt (it appears as a Start button icon in the notification area on your taskbar) and want to get rid of it, this is the update you’ll want to uninstall.


I suspect that once you uninstall it, the next time your machine checks for updates, you might get it again. If you don't have 7/8 set to automatically download and automatically install, you can find 3035583 and right-click it and select "hide update." Personally, I've always gone with "check for updates, but let me choose what to download and let me choose when to install." ...maybe those of you with automatic download and install should change to one of the options that allow you to have control over things, at least until you can select that update and hide it, then you can change it back to automatic.
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Message 1686913 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 7:43:00 UTC - in response to Message 1686911.  

Hmmm, that's the kindof trolling I would expect from Apple, rather than MS. I suppose it shouldn't be all that surprising since MS sacked Jerry (Barnacules Nerdgasm) leaving him looking after a disabled son with no insurance, after I think a decade of service or more.

Yeah, business and marketing realities can be harsh, but being a$$holes can end up costing more than the projections factored in, if you only have idiots left.
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Message 1686940 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 8:46:03 UTC - in response to Message 1686902.  
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Don't worry too much about forced updates. I was testing the technical preview on my lappy and it was rather easy to disable automatic updates by changing some options in the group policy editor.

What I don't understand is why I should reserve a copy of W10 since it's free anyway. Also, I wonder if we will get the option for a clean install.

Probably MS attempt to get everyone to install Win10. Through 'nagging'.


it's FREE for a year only...and only for Win7 & 8 users... ;)

Nope, you can get it for free in the 1st year and can use it for "the lifetime of the device".
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Message 1686943 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 9:03:46 UTC - in response to Message 1686940.  

and not 'free'. no source code.
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Message 1686966 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 11:29:57 UTC - in response to Message 1686729.  

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As has been said it allows you to "reserve a copy" I did and what it suggests is that on the 29th July when the machine is on it will download the 3GB of WIN 10 and then let you know when it is ready to install.

My problem is I have 4 machines running WIN 7 but only 2 have the "Upgrade to WIN 10" icon, I hope this does not mean there will be a problem with the other two!!

All the PC's at the 60+ club have the icon except the one that has been reporting an illegal copy of windows

Greetings Bernie,

I have an older laptop with a Pentium Dual Core processor running Win7 Home Premium. I did the updates on it yesterday and was hoping to see the icon, but did not. This morning, still no icon so I proceeded to shut it down. During the process, there was a notice that it was installing "1 of 1 updates", or something to that effect. I decided to restart the laptop afterwards and the icon showed up.

You need to verify that you have update KB3035583 installed. This is what places the icon on the notification tray and is also responsible for upgrading when Win10 becomes available. I now have Win10 reserved for this PC and my laptop. :)

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Message 1687009 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 14:18:13 UTC - in response to Message 1686966.  
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Just a note: if you sign up for the upgrade, you can click on the icon anytime you want again and it will give you the status of your request. It also has an info icon in the upper left corner which will take you to a submenu and tell you if the up grade is going to have any problems with your computer. You might want to look at that to know what to expect from the upgrade and how many potential problems there might be.

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Message 1687032 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 15:17:38 UTC

I reserved mine yesterday, pressing the 1st reserve button I saw, it took about 5 sec., but did not get an email confirmation. Opened the app by right-clicking the icon to check the status. In the top left corner, selected 'view confirmation' and canceled it. Started the process over again, but clicked through the various panels until the last reserve button. This time I was able to enter my email addr., and the whole process took about 20 sec. Then hid the icon so I don't have to see it again. Still waiting on the email conformation. Will attempt to move the download, when it gets here, to my data drive prior to installing, so that I can have it if needed again.


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Message 1687123 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 0:02:50 UTC

Well, I just updated Farragut, (Win 7 Home Premium), my parents' Desktop system. Got the Win 10 file; at some point it should recognize Farragut as a legitimate system, ready to upgraded to Win 10. I also need to update Voyager, (my Win 7 Home Premium laptop), and my dad's laptop.

However; if Win 10 Home, (which three of our four Win 7 systems would correspond to in upgrading), will NOT let us turn off automatic updates; then, I'm not 100% sure that I want to upgrade those three computers.

Also, even though Prometheus is Win 7 Pro and would be upgraded to Win 10 Pro; I'm unsure as to if I want to upgrade that system either. Because, it is using an OLD Nvidia GTX-275. If Win 10 is going to override my driver, (266.58), with the latest Windows Nvidia driver then my crunching days on Prometheus would end until I could replace the GTX-275 with a newer card. On my limited income on disability, this isn't going to happen anytime soon. :-(


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Message 1687124 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 0:04:01 UTC

If you reserved a copy of Win 10, expect a difference in the way that Windows update will respond when after checking for updates. This panel may or may not have been the result of installing the 3 optional updates that resulted in the search. The 3 are supposed to help prepare the machine towards the transition of the upgrade.




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