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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21213 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... The Climate fO Denying 'is' gettin' betta all dA Time... Sadly so. It's a whole new game of "social media" and big business propaganda. Until the city fat cats get bitten with: UK cities becoming mosquito-friendly habitats ... Warmer ambient temperatures and more water containers in gardens are bringing mosquitoes into closer contact with people... ... UK mosquitoes are human disease-free but the team says more of the insects breeding in urban areas increases the chances of a potential outbreak... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4548 Credit: 35,667,570 RAC: 4 |
Antarctic Glaciers Retreat Unstopable A new study by researchers at NASA and the University of California, Irvine, finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-148 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27381010 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQMtb1Pd07E |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21213 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Still a startling sad ongoing example of the grotesque profitable business of crassly deadly denial, and the people of the world be damned: Can the tobacco industry shed its 'toxic brand'? The UK tobacco industry has made billions of pounds and killed millions of people over the years but it is increasingly seeking to diversify by switching to e-cigarettes, which although addictive are less harmful. Each year, more than six million customers of the tobacco industry around the world die from smoking. In the UK alone, 100,000 people lose their lives annually from the world's biggest cause of preventable death... ... "The future is about tobacco harm reduction. It's about providing a range of alternative nicotine products for consumers," says Kingsley Wheaton, BAT's director of corporate and regulatory affairs. "We are indeed the problem. That is no reason for us not to be part of the solution," he adds. ... And though the tobacco industry insists it does not target children, every year 200,000 of those aged 11-15 start smoking. I've spent nearly 40 years investigating how in the past the industry has dissembled and lied, refusing to accept the medical evidence. That has changed and the industry now accepts that smoking causes a range of serious, terminal diseases, but only after decades of unrelenting pressure from governments and concerned health groups. As a result, its ability to market cigarettes has been severely restricted. And for an industry under constant attack, it is in remarkable health, with eye-watering profits of more than £30bn a year... And the 'lobbying' cynically continues: 'Resist urge to control e-cigarettes', WHO told ... Supporters of e-cigarettes, who argue the products are a low-risk substitute for smoking, fear they might become subject to reduction targets and advertising bans. There has been a big growth in the market for e-cigarettes, but the Department of Health says they are not risk-free... Death and destruction be damned in the 'game' of 'business-with-no-morals' and really the mythical 'noone' is responsible?... And a similar arrogance of Marketing and Denial is cynically pushed by certain parts of the Fossil Fuels regardless of how blatantly obvious the reality of pollution might be... Beyond belief! And all to soon that will all be beyond our continued comfortable existence... Simply, we cannot allow the Fossil Fuels Denial Machine to be anythign like as successful as the Tobacco Denial has been. An awful lot more is at deadly stake, and sooner... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21213 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... For the first time researchers could prove that Antarctic ice sheet, contributed to rapid rise in sea levels some odd 14,500 years ago, known as melt water pulse 1 A. An eminent paleoclimatologist, Dr. Peter Clark, an Oregon State University has commented, “During that time, the sea level on a global basis rose about 50 feet in just 350 years – or about 20 times faster than sea level rise over the last century.†Agreed, completely a natural series of events from the effects of warming as can be expected from increased CO2 in our atmosphere. Except, the NOW which is thousands of years later and many thousands of years too soon and too fast for "nature natural" is that our industrial fossil fuels pollution is increasing the CO2 in our large but very finite atmosphere. We can even directly measure the proportion of CO2 in our atmosphere that is naturally there vs the industrial CO2 that we are vastly adding... We are the polluters due to our greedy bad practices. There are cleaner better ways... Continue to deny that? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21213 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Death and destruction be damned in the 'game' of 'business-with-no-morals' and really the mythical 'noone' is responsible?... And the parallel cynical deadly denial continues still: Ministers urged to speed up plain cigarettes plans The government is being urged to speed up plans to ban branded cigarette packets, with campaigners warning "time is running out"... ... More than 600 medical professionals have written to the British Medical Journal calling on ministers to publish draft regulations as soon as possible. ... "no excuse for any further delay". Ministers agreed, in principle, to introduce plain cigarette packaging earlier this year after an independent report concluded it was "very likely to have a positive impact" on public health and stop children from starting to smoke... ... ministers were avoiding setting a timetable for banning branded cigarette packets despite "overwhelming evidence" that the move would benefit public health... Sounds just like the story for our fossil fuels climate pollution: "time is running out", "no excuse for any further delay", "very likely to have a ... impact", "ministers ... avoiding setting a timetable ... despite 'overwhelming evidence'"... Except for our climate, we've already had Dirty Fossil Fuels sponsored decades of procrastination and denial... All until we procrastinate and delay into critically too late?... All a game of financial 'lobbying'? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21213 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... The Article showed the Scientific Consensus that the Antarctic melting has been consistent over the past 14,000 years, was wrong. The melting, in the past, was faster (almost 350% faster) than the present. Not at all and that is the point... What we are unleashing is a tipping point that has greater consequence than had been first imagined. And it has happened and is completely likely to happen again when given the push. Our present day dirty industrial activity is giving that push... This is where industry has to come clean, and much more quickly. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
You can answer that by asking what the CO-2 concentration level was during that long-ago time of rapid melting and then asking what caused the CO-2 to rise or what else is the reason for the past rapid sea rise. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21213 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
You can answer that by asking what the CO-2 concentration level was during that long-ago time of rapid melting and then asking what caused the CO-2 to rise or what else is the reason for the past rapid sea rise. As mentioned previously: The CO2 concentration acts as positive feedback to AMPLIFY other warming events to cause things to get warmer to a greater degree. So... Increasing the CO2 concentration turns up the amplification factor which itself in effect turns up the heat... So you can have all your natural cycles. Increasing the CO2 gives whatever cycle a boost. Or in our case if the increase in concentration is great enough and rapid enough, we create our own whole new unnatural cycle... As noted next: All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21213 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... the natural Earth's 'Wobble' also causes Climate Change (changes the poles angle towards The Sun). You've got your numbers scrambled for that random list... More reliably, take a look at: Wikipedia: Carbon Dioxide 400kyr Note the natural cycles... Note how we have spiked them with our dirty fossils hanging on from the early days of our industrial revolution... We now have much cleaner ways we can live AND still enjoy clean high tech... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Thank you Clyde, A truly rational post |
Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4548 Credit: 35,667,570 RAC: 4 |
Hello ... best wishes ... and thank you all for your posts in this Thread :-) ... to: CLYDE, Jullie, William Rothamel, Batter Up. KWSN - MajorKong, annie, ES99, Intelligent Design, WinterKnight, ML1 (aka Martin), The Simonator, Dull ... [[[ ... aka ... too long of a Name to post ... :-) ...]]] ....... and everyone in our SETI@home community :-) be kind and gentle to one another ... and ... God Bless, all you all :) I'm 74 years old :-) Good morning ... or Good afternoon ... or Good evining ... as the case may be :) ... to all in our SETI@home community, where ever you happen ... to be on our only home ..... tiny little planet Earth :) I hope you all had or will have a wonderful Day Best Wishes Byron Vancouver Canada Planet Earth :) the following quote is from NASA Climate change: How do we know it is caused by humans and really happen ? the above quote is from NASA Good morning ... or Good Night ... or Good afternoon ... to all in our SETI@home community, where ever you happen ... to be on our only home ..... tiny little planet Earth :) be kind and gentle to one another ... and ... God Bless, all you all :) I hope you all had or will have a wonderful Day Best Wishes Byron Vancouver Canada Planet Earth :) be kind and gentle to one another ... and ... God Bless, all you all :) |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
So from the graph I conclude that previous ice cap and glacial melting had nothing to do with CO-2 concentration levels. Perhaps someone can explain why they think that it does now. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Hi Byron, good to see you:) It is isn't it :) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21213 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Very good example and summary from Byron, thanks! So from the graph I conclude that previous ice cap and glacial melting had nothing to do with CO-2 concentration levels. Partially... Perhaps someone can explain why they think that it does now. We've got a few years of threads for that... And yet the story and mechanisms remain the same... For another attempt, in brief: For the past 650,000 years, the arrangement of land and ocean has enabled a more stable climate than for earlier history. There is a natural cycle where multiple natural effects come to coincide once every many thousands of years to push the climate into glaciation. Once we are suffering the cold of glaciers, CO2 increases due to natural causes until there is a heat trapping tipping point from that CO2 increase that then causes the climate to warm and then to melt the glaciers. As the glaciers retreat, life reasserts itself and the CO2 is steadily reduced. All very natural and that operates over 100 000 years or so... Note how it is the natural rise of CO2 that causes the planet to warm up despite the cold reflective ice reflecting most of the sun's heat away... What we have now is a radical rapid increase in CO2 even though we are no where near the natural glacial cycle. That CO2 has been directly measured to be from the chimneys of our industry. We know that increasing the CO2 smothers our planet in extra heat-trapping effects. That then leads to extreme weather and climate change. And we see all that happening all around us on an ever more regular basis... Feel the heat? The most silly thing about all this is that we already have clean technology for our power needs. Except that it is the dirty polluting fossil fuels 'interests' that are corruptly in power at the moment... All on our only one ever more polluted planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Correct me if I'm wrong but the carbon cycle of the oceans are 500 years, correct? My question is what happened 500 years ago that over loaded our oceans with CO-2? ...and why we are being blamed for that. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21213 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Correct me if I'm wrong but the carbon cycle of the oceans are 500 years, correct? Sorry, not heard of that one... If you would care to give further details and links to some real world evidence... All DENIALS continued on: Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects: DENIAL (#3) Continuing denial for the sake of denial and profit?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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