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Message 1527525 - Posted: 12 Jun 2014, 22:48:45 UTC

The crass DENIAL continues...

Unabated? Or is such climate denial in denial of its own demise?...

Judge for yourself for the trend and the reality around you:


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Climate change: we must terminate this market madness

... One reaction is to talk up the business opportunities of doing things. Without doubt, there are many, and there is enormous scope for climate entrepreneurs. But there is a trap in hyping markets as the answer.

Many governments would like nothing more than to believe they can leave global warming to the unchallenged market. That means they wouldn't have to do anything themselves except murmur something green occasionally.

But if the market was going to solve the problem it would already be doing so...




I think that gives a good brief summary of the ridiculous madness of the human caused climate denial...


This all follows on from:

Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects: DENIAL (#2)


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Message 1527868 - Posted: 14 Jun 2014, 4:34:59 UTC - in response to Message 1527867.
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A new study by researchers at the University of Texas, Austin found that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is collapsing due to geothermal heat, not man-made global warming.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/11/study-west-antarctic-glacier-melt-due-to-volcanoes-not-global-warming/#ixzz34WVGzscj

Please explain this

Why the continual denial from EVERYTHING is man-made cultists, against Natural Occurring?
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Message 1527936 - Posted: 14 Jun 2014, 8:13:59 UTC

Most of the cars around me for sale use gasoline driven.
The price for hybrid cars are more then twice a gasoline car.
I still use gasoline driven car.
Gasoline stations is what is al around me to buy fuel for my car.
Big ships brings the Gas to reffineries to make the fuel.
Major oil companies pumps up the oil from the planet.

There's alot of oil and gas below the polar icecaps.
It needs to be melted before the big companies can bring it up.
The sad thing is that I help them do this when driving my car.

So if more cars where hybrid or made to drive on alternative energysources and the price would be as an ordinary gasoline driven car.
I would buy a car runned by other then fossile fuel.

Clean energy is most of our energy here in Sweden already.
If now nuklear power with it's meltdowns and fallout that occour more frequently on our planet are considered clean.

When I choose electric power distributor here I could mark the box solar or wind and pay an extra fee for making the planet a little bit cleaner.

When building new roads here it is new that the water pipes to lead away water from the sides of roads are now 50% bigger in size due to more rain coming now and in the future.

It's good to see Obama taking steps to a cleaner future.

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Message 1527976 - Posted: 14 Jun 2014, 13:25:24 UTC - in response to Message 1527936.
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There's alot of oil and gas below the polar icecaps.
It needs to be melted before the big companies can bring it up.
The sad thing is that I help them do this when driving my car.

The Oil Companies are melting the icecaps? Not the Natural Internal Geothermic Forces, as reported?

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/11/study-west-antarctic-glacier-melt-due-to-volcanoes-not-global-warming/#ixzz34WVGzscj

Please scientifically refute these most recent findings.

I think the 'Natural Occurring Deniers' are losing their minds.
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Message 1528014 - Posted: 14 Jun 2014, 15:27:47 UTC - in response to Message 1527976.
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There's alot of oil and gas below the polar icecaps.
It needs to be melted before the big companies can bring it up.
The sad thing is that I help them do this when driving my car.

The Oil Companies are melting the icecaps? Not the Natural Internal Geothermic Forces, as reported?

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/11/study-west-antarctic-glacier-melt-due-to-volcanoes-not-global-warming/#ixzz34WVGzscj


Hi Clyde :) How are you?

Have you ever heard of post-glacial rebound? (I think I mentioned it in one of my previous posts, so I might have a look for it when I get a moment.) When glacial mass reduces (over areas of the earth's crust which are weaker or thinner) geothermal activity increases in those corresponding areas. My understanding (which I may need to brush-up on admittedly) is this: Magma previously kept under pressure starts to rise closer to the surface, bringing with it the heat that is going to melt even more ice.

So a natural event yes, but triggered by us. One of those "tipping points" that were mentioned earlier. :(

Please scientifically refute these most recent findings.

I will be back! :) If I can't find my previous post, I will dig out some of the scientific background for you with links.

I think the 'Natural Occurring Deniers' are losing their minds

:) Hello Clyde, how are you? :)

I think the media likes to jump on one fact or "discovery" at a time... Joining the dots for these guys is difficult (bless their cotton socks) so if we follow their lead, we end up not seeing the bigger unfolding picture. I try not to let them fool me - and don't see that as losing my mind... not yet anyway :)

Hope you're having a really nice weekend! :)

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Message 1528122 - Posted: 14 Jun 2014, 22:25:45 UTC - in response to Message 1527976.
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There's alot of oil and gas below the polar icecaps.
It needs to be melted before the big companies can bring it up.
The sad thing is that I help them do this when driving my car.

The Oil Companies are melting the icecaps? Not the Natural Internal Geothermic Forces, as reported?

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/11/study-west-antarctic-glacier-melt-due-to-volcanoes-not-global-warming/#ixzz34WVGzscj

Please scientifically refute these most recent findings.

I think the 'Natural Occurring Deniers' are losing their minds.


Hi Clyde :)... back again! :) I know - two posts in a row - so sorry everyone, but at least I didn't quote myself! :)

My previous post on our rebounding earth
(yes I found it! Was beginning to think I'd been dream-posting again :)) click the "upward motion of earth's crust" link

Some more background http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound if you're interested.

We really are going to need some paddles I think - because we're already up the creek on this one :(

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Message 1528180 - Posted: 15 Jun 2014, 5:02:15 UTC - in response to Message 1528122.
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There's alot of oil and gas below the polar icecaps.
It needs to be melted before the big companies can bring it up.
The sad thing is that I help them do this when driving my car.

The Oil Companies are melting the icecaps? Not the Natural Internal Geothermic Forces, as reported?

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/11/study-west-antarctic-glacier-melt-due-to-volcanoes-not-global-warming/#ixzz34WVGzscj

Please scientifically refute these most recent findings.

I think the 'Natural Occurring Deniers' are losing their minds.


Hi Clyde :)... back again! :) I know - two posts in a row - so sorry everyone, but at least I didn't quote myself! :)

My previous post on our rebounding earth
(yes I found it! Was beginning to think I'd been dream-posting again :)) click the "upward motion of earth's crust" link

Some more background http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound if you're interested.

We really are going to need some paddles I think - because we're already up the creek on this one :(

Hi anniet...

This has always been the real problem. Whether Human Caused, Natural, or a combination of both:

The change WILL happen. Electrical cars, windmills, solar power, etc. is either a 'feel good' effort and/or money in the pockets of...

If Human Produced co2 is really the problem: The damage has already been done, and can't be reversed (very long and complicated).

If it is basically Naturally occurring: There is also nothing we can do to stop it.

Therefore plans have to be made (if there is to be a large increase in Sea Levels) to evacuate 100's of million people.

As I have stated: Everything else is either 'feel good', or making some people rich.
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Message 1528249 - Posted: 15 Jun 2014, 14:33:00 UTC
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Ummm, your wrong again. If you wouldn't try so hard you wouldn't be so wrong all the time. I asked the question then the thread was locked. So, I got no answer. This makes you wrong and petty.

The problem isn't in the questions you ask. It's the kind of questions you ask.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the carbon cycle of the oceans are 500 years, correct?

My question is what happened 500 years ago that over loaded our oceans with CO-2?

...and why we are being blamed for that.
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Message 1528260 - Posted: 15 Jun 2014, 15:13:26 UTC - in response to Message 1528249.
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... My question is what happened 500 years ago that over loaded our oceans with CO-2?

Nothing because nothing like that happened. Unless... You have any evidence?... Thought not.


...and why we are being blamed for that.

Is that an example of the wisdom the Fossil Fuels corruptocracy should be following?


We are making the polluted climate mess. We can also undo that mess. The question is of just how costly that gets as the Fossil Fuels industry procrastinate and pollute ever yet further...

And also for how long do the vast majority of us all LET THEM DO IT? All at our own expense and to the detriment to all for our only one planet...


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Message 1528466 - Posted: 16 Jun 2014, 4:30:22 UTC - in response to Message 1528260.

... My question is what happened 500 years ago that over loaded our oceans with CO-2?

Nothing because nothing like that happened. Unless... You have any evidence?... Thought not.


...and why we are being blamed for that.

Is that an example of the wisdom the Fossil Fuels corruptocracy should be following?


We are making the polluted climate mess. We can also undo that mess. The question is of just how costly that gets as the Fossil Fuels industry procrastinate and pollute ever yet further...

And also for how long do the vast majority of us all LET THEM DO IT? All at our own expense and to the detriment to all for our only one planet...


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Your argument sounds more Political and Ideological every day.
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Message 1528545 - Posted: 16 Jun 2014, 9:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 1528466.
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... My question is what happened 500 years ago that over loaded our oceans with CO-2?

Nothing because nothing like that happened. Unless... You have any evidence?... Thought not.


...and why we are being blamed for that.

Is that an example of the wisdom the Fossil Fuels corruptocracy should be following?


We are making the polluted climate mess. We can also undo that mess. The question is of just how costly that gets as the Fossil Fuels industry procrastinate and pollute ever yet further...

And also for how long do the vast majority of us all LET THEM DO IT? All at our own expense and to the detriment to all for our only one planet..

Your argument sounds more Political and Ideological every day.

The global warming pollution is primarily a political problem...

We have the tech, the Markets can be steered... So why are we still procrastinating with 200-years-old polluting dirty old tech?...

It certainly ain't because of cheap or efficient...


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Message 1528581 - Posted: 16 Jun 2014, 13:13:10 UTC - in response to Message 1528545.

... My question is what happened 500 years ago that over loaded our oceans with CO-2?

Nothing because nothing like that happened. Unless... You have any evidence?... Thought not.


...and why we are being blamed for that.

Is that an example of the wisdom the Fossil Fuels corruptocracy should be following?


We are making the polluted climate mess. We can also undo that mess. The question is of just how costly that gets as the Fossil Fuels industry procrastinate and pollute ever yet further...

And also for how long do the vast majority of us all LET THEM DO IT? All at our own expense and to the detriment to all for our only one planet..

Your argument sounds more Political and Ideological every day.

The global warming pollution is primarily a political problem...

By leaving out the Ideological and Big Green Money component's:

A true understanding, regarding this problem and solution, is impossible.
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Message 1528593 - Posted: 16 Jun 2014, 14:36:09 UTC - in response to Message 1528260.
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... My question is what happened 500 years ago that over loaded our oceans with CO-2?

Nothing because nothing like that happened. Unless... You have any evidence?... Thought not.


Has anyone looked? Has anyone other then me asked this question. And if I'm the only one why am I the only one? It is a good question if and only if your correct that the climate is changing.


...and why we are being blamed for that.

Is that an example of the wisdom the Fossil Fuels corruptocracy should be following?


We are making the polluted climate mess. We can also undo that mess. The question is of just how costly that gets as the Fossil Fuels industry procrastinate and pollute ever yet further...

And also for how long do the vast majority of us all LET THEM DO IT? All at our own expense and to the detriment to all for our only one planet...


All on our only one planet,
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Thank you for the politics, but that doesn't answer why we should spend trillions for something unfounded and unproven.
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Message 1528719 - Posted: 16 Jun 2014, 20:03:10 UTC

Unproven & unfounded - are you talking about the technology being deployed or climate change?
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Message 1528744 - Posted: 16 Jun 2014, 20:57:45 UTC - in response to Message 1528719.
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The technology being deployed isn't anything new. Inflated data perhaps but the technology being deployed isn't new. Ice cores perhaps misread, but this technology has been around for some time now, its data also misread or slanted one way or another to fit the scenario backed by inflated and or incomplete data.

Climate change is a fact. My climate has changed from winter solstice to summer solstice due to the tilt of the earth's axis. I suppose you could use the word equinox? The climate is always in some change, as is the weather. Patterns of this change are indeed in the ice cores. Man has gone from extreme cold to extreme heat and back again for a time in cold then warm again. Over the time of man the CO2 has also gone up and down. The seas have experienced die off's also during man time on earth. Before man time there was also huge swings in climate and CO2 and all of them caused by nature herself.

Man has changed the weather and that can be called due to man. Man has made hot spots called cities. On a warm very humid days in my county a rain storm can be started mostly north of a city. This due to the heat made by that city and the humidity. These cities have to numbers in the 100's of thousands but mostly in cities that number in the millions. If you use some math and a little imagination put everyone into one city. The thunderstorm caused by all of that is HOW much we effect our weather and indeed climate.

Nuff said... ...I reckon?
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Message 1528814 - Posted: 17 Jun 2014, 1:47:03 UTC - in response to Message 1528744.
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Once upon a time, nature's "swings" in mercury deposition rates (measured in peat bog records going back 14,500 years) corresponded well with known volcanic eruptions. Then they soared and didn't. What changed?

We started burning fossil fuels.

*sigh* Hi ID. :) I had a REALLY LONG post almost ready to... well, post, two weeks ago... but I lost it in a big crash :/ and I haven't resuscitated it yet... *another sigh - only a LOT deeper - to drown out the cacophany of sighs of relief that have just breezed through SETI* :)

It was about chucking mercury about the place alongside our CO2 emissions. It's really not a good idea you know (no matter how pretty it is in it's liguid form) and we're doing so much of it. I will be back with something a bit more substantial than that I promise, but it might be awhile... so don't hold your breath (even if it IS tempting given how polluted our atmosphere is).

Edit: your climate/weather/thunderstorm interchangeabilities blew a logic circuit in my brain. Not the first time :)

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Message 1528878 - Posted: 17 Jun 2014, 5:24:50 UTC

My climate has changed from winter solstice to summer solstice due to the tilt of the earth's axis.

This statement show you do not understand what you are talking about.
Your WEATHER changes from season to season due to the Earth's axial tilt. Climate is the word used to describe the longer term, how this year's "summer" compares to the "summers" of previous years over a period of decades, centuries or millennia.
As for the rest of your post, how storms develop to the north of cities - I suggest you talk to people who have been caught in the middle of a South Atlantic storm, where there are isn't a city for thousands of miles to the north.
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Message 1528927 - Posted: 17 Jun 2014, 10:09:37 UTC - in response to Message 1528878.

As the American writer Mark Twain is credited with saying, "climate is what we expect, weather is what we get."

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Message 1528939 - Posted: 17 Jun 2014, 10:28:39 UTC - in response to Message 1528927.

As the American writer Mark Twain is credited with saying, "climate is what we expect, weather is what we get."



I would like to add "don't let what you get, bring down your expectations"
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Message 1528998 - Posted: 17 Jun 2014, 14:38:26 UTC - in response to Message 1528939.

I would like to add "don't let what you get, bring down your expectations"
"No, you can't always get what you want
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