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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24913 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yep, they've been going for years. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
The KKK wouldn't survive in Europe it is an American thing. It is actually blatant racism against non white people, which is stated clearly by them "This does not mean that we want to see anything bad happen to the darker races, we simply want to live separate from them." Simply saying they wish them no harm does not disguise that fact. We can only assume that with less than 8000 members they are not seen as a major problem by the authorities. There are loads of neo nazi groups in Europe...and they are on the rise which I predicted would happen after the crash of 2008. In times of economic hard times people move right and start to scape goat different minorities. This behaviour also explains the rise of the Tea Party groups in America, who are a mix of racists, misogynists and anti-government religious freaks looking for someone easy to blame for their problems. Reality Internet Personality |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Not to mention all the right wing populist groups who hide their racism behind arguments like 'their culture doesn't mix with ours'. Though that has been on the rise since way before the 2008 crash. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Atheism has delivered nothing to mankind or the world for that matter. It has had zero impact on anything. Faith on the other hand has fed the poor, gave them clothes, put a roof over ones head. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
To return to the original title of this thread. No I don't think any religion is better than another. Neither do I think any particular philosophy is better than another. All the "great" religions and philosophies say basically the same things a) Don't kill b) Don't steal c) Don't screw around e) Be nice to each other All of these are just the basic rules required for people living in a group to get along with each other. Even atheists recognise the correctness of these basic tenets and it doesn't matter if they are "God" given or a matter of simple common sense. The thing that makes religion attractive to many is a deep seated need in the human psyche for pomp and ceremony. Whether it's a High Church ceremony at the Vatican or Westminster Cathedral, a service at some "happy clappy" new age church, an initiation at the local Masonic Lodge or a Nazi rally etc. etc. They all satisfy a basic, deep emotional need If you want examine this further, look at any tribal ceremony from anywhere in the world. The whole idea of them is to provide a sense of "belonging". No matter if it is a religious ceremony, dedicated to a "god", or the coming of age of a virgin. So PLEASE, can we call an end to all these so called "religious threads" ?? They are nothing more than an opportunity for the same people to spout the same crap over and over again, to the same people, who respond with the same crap over and over again. And we all know that each post from Ozzfan has SFA chance of changing ID's mind and visa versa. Why does the "Political" forum get bogged down in such mindless crap ? Why don't the regular contributors get their effing acts together to see what is REALLY happening in this world with the rise of Right Wing Conservatism and the threat that this entails. Doubt me ? Check the Daily Show interview with John Tammy, editor of Forbes Magazine, to see just how far these idiots are prepared to go. Then come back and debate the existence of a God(s). FFS T.A. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Sure, these threads usually end up devolving into the same kind of arguments. But so what? If people are interested in doing that, good for them right? No one is forcing the people who are not interested in these threads to come in and post. And who says you can't have threads about religion and threads that deal with more political issues. We can have both right? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Yes you can have both, of course you can. And people have the choice to read or not to read. But, at the end of the day what general good does it do anyone? It's just a mouthpiece for the activists amongst us to peddle their particular brand of obsessiveness. And just more work for the Mods to patrol and keep an eye on. Yeah, but isn't that true for every topic? I mean political topics just end up with people spouting their particular brand of political ideology. So what general good do political topics do? Really, for that matter, what general good does posting on any forum really do? The chance that you ever convince anyone on the internet of your viewpoint is almost non existent. So what is left is whether you enjoy spouting off your opinion on things on particular topics or not. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Well if you take that logic to it's conclusion, then there is no point in Seti having any forums at all is there? We might as well shut the lot down and be done with it and all go home. In the case of religion I would grant you that all those boards do is allow people to spout off in a way that they wouldn't be allowed to do in real life without getting told to move on, or getting a smack on the nose. Correct, technically SETI would just work out fine if people had a place to download BOINC and maybe get some kind of newsletter once in a while with details whats going on at SETI on a more technical level and whether they found ETI already. The fact that it has a forum is just a nice and fun extra and I'm glad its here, but its not a necessity. |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6658 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
Atheism has delivered nothing to mankind or the world for that matter. It has had zero impact on anything. I have to disagree. Modern man has been on this planet about a million years, and no evidence of any religion exists prior to the last 10,000 years. That leaves about 990,000 years where there was no belief system. Clearly food, shelter, and some level of comfort was acquired, and shared by the early human groups. As a more modern example, I am a very caring person, who will do anything I can for anyone regardless of what they believe, and I have not a single shred of religious belief. Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24913 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
So what is left is whether you enjoy spouting off your opinion on things on particular topics or not. b) Don't steal The two biggest aphrodisiacs in the world are power and wealth. Unfortunately, there are many who use that to their own advantage. Fiddling expenses is stealing and as for don't screw around..... .....Another politician with his brains between his legs And as already seen by many, religion is just as bad! So what price politics or religion? As for spending 4 years in politics, amazing that with your views you left it until you hit 65 to do so. Just why was that? |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6658 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
Atheism has delivered nothing to mankind or the world for that matter. It has had zero impact on anything. Richard Dawkins said, “We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.†That is a true statement. The Catholic is Atheist for Islam, or Hindu, or Judaism. How many of us believe in the mufti-theism of the ancient Greeks and Romans? Does that make us all have zero impact on anything? There are tens of thousands of different religious belief systems, including Scientology, where L. Ron Hubbard told a friend he could invent a religion and make money with it. I would infer than many of us are also atheist when it comes to Scientology. Atheist is simply a lack of belief, not a moral corruption. Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Atheist is simply a lack of belief, not a moral corruption. +1 Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
... Religion is very political, especially among these right wing fundamentalists. They use it to give legitimacy to the nasty things they do. They use it in American to oppress women and take away their choices. Maybe it would seem more important to debate if you were a woman and on the receiving end of all this bull more directly. ..but of course women's issues 'must' take a back seat compared to 'real' issues. Reality Internet Personality |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Religion is very political, especially among these right wing fundamentalists. They use it to give legitimacy to the nasty things they do. They use it in American to oppress women and take away their choices. Maybe it would seem more important to debate if you were a woman and on the receiving end of all this bull more directly. Yes, a good example where religion is used to justify nastiness. And honestly that saddens me. Religion should never be used to put one group down, or to protect the privilege of a certain group of people at the expense of another group of people. But think about it, is religion the only social construct that ever gets abused in such a way? Even right now at this very moment, by the same people who use religion to protect male privilege? Don't you see how they abuse Capitalism in the same way? How under the guise of protecting capitalism and the free market they are against giving everyone access to basic health insurance? How over the past 30 years they have been dismantling public institutions and services that are used by the majority of people and where the majority of people relies on for things like education and safety. Where religious nuts ban certain books in libraries because they are 'dirty' capitalists close entire libraries because the free market does it better. Where religious nuts try to keep women from accessing certain forms of health care, capitalists ensure that entire groups of people do not have access to any form of healthcare, because the free market supposedly makes healthcare better. And where religious people call their God just God, capitalists call it 'the invisible hand'. But where religious nuts only make up a small but vocal minority, almost everyone is a capitalist. So once again, I can think of far more pressing concerns than religion. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Religion is very political, especially among these right wing fundamentalists. They use it to give legitimacy to the nasty things they do. They use it in American to oppress women and take away their choices. Maybe it would seem more important to debate if you were a woman and on the receiving end of all this bull more directly. I agree with you that unbridled capitalism is one of the biggest threats to the world today..and you are correct that when people accept any dogma without criticism or analysis then it becomes dangerous. Whether its the belief in god or the belief in the invisible hand of the free market. So perhaps the link here is lack of critical thinking? Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Right-Wing Group Seeks Help Rewriting the Bible Because It's Not Conservative Enough They've started to notice that their beliefs aren't actually compatible with Christianity. Reality Internet Personality |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Right-Wing Group Seeks Help Rewriting the Bible Because It's Not Conservative Enough That's nothing new. The "King James" version of the Bible was an interpretation of earlier Greek and Latin texts and was heavily edited to suit the the King who had ordered the translation. Many texts were altered or left out entirely if the lesson contained did not meet with the Monarch's approval. All current versions of the Bible are the combined efforts of groups of Bible scholars. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19407 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Right-Wing Group Seeks Help Rewriting the Bible Because It's Not Conservative Enough Isn't that something they have always done since about 100AD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon There is tons of stuff that has not been included because the authorities didn't like it or understand it. There are also other Bibles other than those used by the RC and Anglican churches. What has happened to; two Epistles of Clement, the Sinodos (a collection of prayers and instructions supposedly written by Clement of Rome), the Octateuch (a book supposedly written by Peter to Clement of Rome) the Book of the Covenant (two parts), and the Didascalia. Just to name a few bits no longer included. |
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