I liked the proposal to from now on name Hurricanes after politicians that deny climate change. Time to create a mental link between those people and the devastation they bring.

Wow. What POwer dey have, DEM Politicians. Devastation. WOW.

HurricaneHustlin'DroneHitManPeacePrizin'Throw'EmUndaDaBusPowerOfPen&PhoneHussein

WOW. Seek Shelter Broheims. Da Big One is a comin'.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Whats wrong with being a skeptic? I think thats a hell of a lot better position to be than a denialist. A doctor whos belives in bad humor and uses leaches is a quack not a skeptic.

Im a skeptic when it comes to claims that big foot is real, But I will keep an open mind.

Im leaning toward climate change, But Im still skecptical of all the claims made by some of the hacks out there. And that goes for both sides of the issue.

To me the dangerous people out there are the ones who dont even want to discuss the issue.

I use the term skeptic to describe them because that is how they describe themselves. It is not an accurate term, because a true skeptic can be convinced by evidence. The evidence that climate change is real and man made is overwhelming, therefore I put them in the same league as doctors who insist of using leeches rather than medicine which has been shown to be effective. The scientific methodology is the same.

The outcome however of giving climate change deniers any power in this is devastating and it is actually immoral to continue to allow them to distort the debate.

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Reality Internet Personality

Ah, I see. Because we disagree we need removed and our right to free speech on the world stage denied. Only one voice, your voice should be allowed.

You prove the point that your science is so weak that you need to government gun to back it up....

...this means you are wrong.

I think you don't understand what free speech is. Its the right to say what you want, not do what you want.

Let them say what they want, but they need to removed from making dangerous decisions, because they are a danger to themselves and others.

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Like most skeptics, I do not deny the climate is changing. Afterall the Earth's climate has never been static.

What I have a severe problem with is the "Anthropogenic" part.

Even in historical times the climate has been both warmer and cooler than it is now. It was warmer 2000 years ago and there was the mini ice age in the middle ages.

Ocean levels have also risen and fallen in historical times, what about all the towns in England that were once sea ports but are now well inland from the coast ?

Apparently the climate was able to change back then without human help, so why the panic when temperatures still have not recovered to what they were in the time of Julius Caesar.

To say that humans have caused the minimal and currently static temperature increase reeks of nothing but extreme egotism. As far as the cosmos is concerned, we have always tended to overestimate our importance.

T.A.

Ah, I see. Because we disagree we need removed and our right to free speech on the world stage denied. Only one voice, your voice should be allowed.

You prove the point that your science is so weak that you need to government gun to back it up....

...this means you are wrong.

I think you don't understand what free speech is. Its the right to say what you want, not do what you want.

Let them say what they want, but they need to removed from making dangerous decisions, because they are a danger to themselves and others.

You are quite wrong.

You have not proven a thing at all, the science is not settled that global warming is manmade. You have not even come close.

As I have shown here with JUST ONE POST the warming after the ice age is the largest on the graphs you all love to post here. This warming was not man made it was not even made by any life form on this rock. It was the natural balance of things acting as they should. Most of the life of this rock has been without icecaps at our poles, so what makes you think they are needed for life to continue?

You cannot prove the warming is made by man. You haven't even good science to prove it. You post the graphs and I blow them out of the water with simple logic that the simple man can understand. You post a matter (global warming) and then make it so complicated that the lie itself is exposed in your process. Your story grows with time, the science can't keep up with the lie. You expose yourself along the way.

The very earth itself is a book that one only needs to read. I gave you a chapter willingly. The ice age was caused by what? It warmed after because of what reason? This simple chapter and many after are real science. What you have is reason to kill the third world, to act as elites, and to step on natural rights. I cannot and will not allow such nonsense. I will speak. And I will act if need be to stop such lies from hurting my brothers and sisters.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Which way should the average world temperature be going at the moment, if left to the normal cycles, up or down?

Can you point us to this post please?

As I have shown here with JUST ONE POST the warming after the ice age is the largest on the graphs you all love to post here. This warming was not man made it was not even made by any life form on this rock. It was the natural balance of things acting as they should. Most of the life of this rock has been without icecaps at our poles, so what makes you think they are needed for life to continue?

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Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Like most skeptics, I do not deny the climate is changing. Afterall the Earth's climate has never been static.

What I have a severe problem with is the "Anthropogenic" part.

Even in historical times the climate has been both warmer and cooler than it is now. It was warmer 2000 years ago and there was the mini ice age in the middle ages.

Ocean levels have also risen and fallen in historical times, what about all the towns in England that were once sea ports but are now well inland from the coast ?

Apparently the climate was able to change back then without human help, so why the panic when temperatures still have not recovered to what they were in the time of Julius Caesar.

To say that humans have caused the minimal and currently static temperature increase reeks of nothing but extreme egotism. As far as the cosmos is concerned, we have always tended to overestimate our importance.

T.A.

I do see where you are coming from and there is a tendency for humans to think they are so important, when 99% of actual climate scientist agree that global warming is happening and its man made then I'm going to listen.

I am also sure that the climate will find its own equilibrium, but in the mean time the human race is going to go through some terrible times. A lot of people are going to die. There will be famines, floods, terrible storms. Entire species will die off, the eco system will no longer be the one that can support us. There is already a huge die off going on in the oceans. We are living right now through a mass extinction event. The biggest problem will be water shortages. Its already beginning.

So I think it is you that is not recognising how unimportant people are. Life will survive on this planet, but I am not sure if we will...not as we are anyway.

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Reality Internet Personality

Can you point us to this post please?

As I have shown here with JUST ONE POST the warming after the ice age is the largest on the graphs you all love to post here. This warming was not man made it was not even made by any life form on this rock. It was the natural balance of things acting as they should. Most of the life of this rock has been without icecaps at our poles, so what makes you think they are needed for life to continue?

You are forgetting that he doesn't believe in the theory of evolution and that he doesn't understand that there has never been a change in climate this rapid. He doesn't realise that we have evolved slowly to fit into this ecosystem and that we are destroying our environment too quickly for a lot of species to adapt to the new one. We might manage it, but in the process an awful lot of us will suffer and die.

The ancient Chinese curse comes to mind "May you live in interesting times"

Well we are living in interesting times and I am not looking forward to what is coming.

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Reality Internet Personality

The biggest problem will be water shortages

All The Trillions wasted on "Climate Change" and "Green Energy" should be spent on Solving Water Shortage Problems.

Water is Top 'O Da List. Put All "Science and Money" into Water.

We will Die Quicker for Lack of Water, than GOREbal Warming.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Here is the Temperature data I can find for last 140,000 years.



So the temperature has swung 10 Deg C in last 140,000 years.
The sea level has a corresponding swing order of 100 meters.

Yes we humans are adding to the environment and affecting the temperature, but to suggest we are the major influence appears to be false.

Do we need to look after our one world, yes, and we need to spend our resources wisely to limit damage and prevent the destruction of the planet. There is nowhere else to go in this solar system. We cant Geo Engineer Mars as it has no magnetic field.

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The biggest problem will be water shortages

All The Trillions wasted on "Climate Change" and "Green Energy" should be spent on Solving Water Shortage Problems.

Water is Top 'O Da List. Put All "Science and Money" into Water.

We will Die Quicker for Lack of Water, than GOREbal Warming.

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The global warming will increase the pressure on water suppies. You'll feel it.

The US is currently using up its water supply at a faster rate than it is replenished Ogallala Aquifer

With fracking you are running the risk of destroying your aquifers completely...then you will come begging to Canada for water. Of course with Canada losing the glaciers we might no be able to help you as much as we want to.

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Reality Internet Personality

Looking at IHenderson's data we see a sustained increase over a 4000 year period of about 9C, compare that with the 1C over the last 100 years....

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

The global warming will increase the pressure on water suppies. You'll feel it.

Simple solution, move to where there are adequate supplies of water. If this
can't be done then cut down on your population. Either way, man can't fight
against global warming he can only adapt to it. If he fails to adapt then your
guess is as good as mine is as to the result for many. Governments tell you
global warming can be combated, so give us some of your money and we'll see you all right.
Who do they think they are, alchemists???? Global warming is here to
stay for a while and it came on it's own accord....nothing to do with man.
Governments KNOW that this current global warming phase is a natural event
but don't know how to deal with it. They are worried that the population will
become destabilised through some of it's effects so are happy to see the
population blame itself for the cause. This is why governments pedal global
warming as being of man's origin even though to date this fact has not been
confirmed by any scientist. Global warming could be as a big a threat to us today
as any of the past ice ages. What are governments doing about it? telling lies
and pretending to be alchemists instead of doing the correct thing by adapting
to it. It's a shame for they have had 20,30, 40 odd years to do something
constructive but all that valuable time has been wasted, now people will suffer
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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

If the government are the ones pedaling climate change as being mad made, why is the Canadian government firing all the climate and environmental scientists?

There is no big Bruce Willis save the world hero solution to the human contribution to climate change (and by the way, the natural climate change everyone is going on about happens over 1000s of years, not 100s.). The solutions are small and many. Which is why you need a consensus because otherwise it won't get done.

I suspect its the people who don't want to change and don't want it to be true that are the most vocal deniers. I also suspect they are the ones that think Bruce Willis is going to suddenly come in and save the day so they don't have to change. People don't like changing.

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Even if global warming is not caused by man (and it is) then our behavior still causes the rapid destruction of what little jungle we have left, which in turn results in the irreparable damage to the earths biodiversity. We are also destroying the seas and oceans, which will result in the seas turning into useless poison which in turn will cause the loss of a significant part of our oxygen supply. So even if you want to ignore the scientists on climate change, we must for millions of other reasons change the way we do things.

We are smart, we have technology that can do wondrous things. We don't need oil for fuel, nor do we need gas. We have the technology to get all our energy from clean and sustainable sources. It will take some time to set it all up, but we can do it. And if we can chase pirates from the seas, don't you think we can enforce tight shipping and fishing regulations? And if we can spend all that money on invading desert countries because of terrorists, don't you think we can protect what little jungle we have left from illegal farming and deforestation?

Really, the only thing that is stopping us from saving this planet is the fact that a significant group of people got their priorities messed up.

Even if global warming is not caused by man (and it is) then our behavior still causes the rapid destruction of what little jungle we have left, which in turn results in the irreparable damage to the earths biodiversity. We are also destroying the seas and oceans, which will result in the seas turning into useless poison which in turn will cause the loss of a significant part of our oxygen supply. So even if you want to ignore the scientists on climate change, we must for millions of other reasons change the way we do things.

We are smart, we have technology that can do wondrous things. We don't need oil for fuel, nor do we need gas. We have the technology to get all our energy from clean and sustainable sources. It will take some time to set it all up, but we can do it. And if we can chase pirates from the seas, don't you think we can enforce tight shipping and fishing regulations? And if we can spend all that money on invading desert countries because of terrorists, don't you think we can protect what little jungle we have left from illegal farming and deforestation?

Really, the only thing that is stopping us from saving this planet is the fact that a significant group of people got their priorities messed up.

The rainforests are actually carbon neutral. However the loss is biodiversity is tragic. Most of our oxygen comes from the ocean. The oceans have been protecting us from the worst effects of Co2 by absorbing it, however as a consequence they are becoming acidified. There is a mass extinction going on in the oceans right now.

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Reality Internet Personality

If the government are the ones pedaling climate change as being mad made, why is the Canadian government firing all the climate and environmental scientists?

Most probably because there all a waste of space.....

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Looking at IHenderson's data we see a sustained increase over a 4000 year period of about 9C, compare that with the 1C over the last 100 years....

We have accurate data for 400 years so why cherry pick last 120 yrs.

The "mid England Temperature data" is the only accurate data that goes back that far.
this what I posted earlier

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You don't help a damn bit by lying to the public.

Nor do you by never asking a simple question, like where your proof you keep on about.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?