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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
On "Meet the Press," right now, Paul Ryan speaking to host David Gregory. Mr. Gregory plays a clip of Herman Cain: "If you're not a billionaire, don't blame Wall Street, blame yourself." Gregory asks Ryan, is what Cain is saying the Republican message for 2012? Gregory responds that he wants to work on removing the barriers Washington has placed on people that keep them from rising. Implicit in this is that there are outside factors that effect lives of individuals, possibly so much so that one cannot just attribute personal successes and failures on one's own decisions. That's what I think. What do you think? |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
I blame Herman Munster, Sarge, for stopping my business and creative abilities. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I blame Herman Munster, Sarge, for stopping my business and creative abilities. It's a serious question, John. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Bad things can happen to good people; but, by and large I believe we make our own luck. Some have a head start by virtue of all sorts of things. It's up to the individual to make the most of himself and the opportunities this Nation presents us with. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Bad things can happen to good people; but, by and large I believe we make our own luck. Some have a head start by virtue of all sorts of things. It's up to the individual to make the most of himself and the opportunities this Nation presents us with. Some people start much further down the ladder than others with many more obstacles in their paths. Reality Internet Personality |
Dr Imaginario Send message Joined: 10 Aug 11 Posts: 172 Credit: 22,735 RAC: 0 |
There are a lot of ways to get successful in life. Yes there are state regulations, there are market obstacles, competition and other constrains. However only a fool would start a business without being proper informed. Like in everything in life there is a risk. The higher the gains, the higher the risk, it’s a simple law of economics. Bottom line, is we build our own luck, and most of the business go down to the drain or Investments go bust, because people got petrified, got greedy or made bad decisions. It’s easy to find someone to blame when our investments in the stock market disappear or when our business has to shut down. But do we make a serious analysis in how we behaved? |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
If we are talking the Bill Gates/J K Rowlings book of luck where they had wealthy parents/husband to make sure they were well kept and supplied as they competed and completed their work then I'd like the silver spoon project as well. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
If we are talking the Bill Gates/J K Rowlings book of luck where they had wealthy parents/husband to make sure they were well kept and supplied as they competed and completed their work then I'd like the silver spoon project as well. From TV documentaries, of the Panorama/Horizon type, and the back up link here I don't think J K Rowling, post the Harry Potter gold seam, had a silver spoon. I believe she was a divorced single mother on benefits and going through a really bad patch. I can understand the point on Bill Gates, but not the latter. It was her first Harry Potter book, after many publisher rejections that started the money train. That took persistence and good luck. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I find it interesting, time and time and again, how some people who are interested in the various scientific projects hosted through BOINC, with some of these people themselves involved in the teaching or research of mathematics or other sciences, will often fall back upon unfounded opinions. And they do so with as much certainty as the certainty they attack in the threads about religion and spirituality. Rather than fall back on the old saying, "You make your own luck," have you at least heard about, or read, studies that can help delve into the complex questions about nature, nurture and myriad other factors? One area that immediately came to mind was studies on twins. This is just to start.. And if anyone can think of similar research areas, please include them. If you prefer a different search engine, enter my search phrase at google, or better yet, scholar.google.com, and those of you that have access to university research databases such as ERIC (not Korpela!) ... go for it! |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
If we are talking the Bill Gates/J K Rowlings book of luck where they had wealthy parents/husband to make sure they were well kept and supplied as they competed and completed their work then I'd like the silver spoon project as well. my understanding whe was and is married to a very well to do barrister. Though being poor does make for a better story even if its not true A comedy site yet has actual citations In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
I agree with this -- but does it really say that much. We are in a very much interconnected world. Our own skills and determination matter, as do the 'preconditions' (ie family situation when growing up, early schooling, etc.). Over the past several years, the external conditions have had an increasingly large effect as well. With the tanked economy, even people with the right 'preconditions', skills and determination are among those struggling today. Then again, I don't think one could every attribute personal success solely to one's own decisions.
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John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
my understanding whe was and is married to a very well to do barrister. Though being poor does make for a better story even if its not true Not according to the background details given on JK Rowling at Wikipedia, who suggested she was married in 1992 for 12-18 months to a Portuguese television journalist Jorge Arantes. Again, from Wikipedia, in order to teach in Scotland she would need a postgraduate certificate of education (PGCE), requiring a full-time, year-long course of study. She began this course in August 1995,[44] after completing her first novel while having survived on state welfare support. So, she was not able to teach until she had the full qualifications, which she did while on welfare and looking after her child and writing the first Harry Potter book. Her biography (possibly biased from your fairy story rags to riches) mirrors the Wikipedia data (probably written by here if on a conspiracy theory). I would comment that the Rags to Riches are false link quoted in an early post is really a rubbishing exercise and unlikely to be true. My opinion is the story of before 1995 as a single mother and on benefits is likely to be true. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
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Who is to Blame? 99% of the 99% is to Blame. They need to Blame Themselves. 0.0099% of The 1% is to Blame. They would be MO FOs. Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Meteors, Tsunamis, Volcanos are not included. Dull |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Who is to Blame? You can gibber in your own thread. ;) |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I agree with this -- but does it really say that much. We are in a very much interconnected world. Our own skills and determination matter, as do the 'preconditions' (ie family situation when growing up, early schooling, etc.). Over the past several years, the external conditions have had an increasingly large effect as well. With the tanked economy, even people with the right 'preconditions', skills and determination are among those struggling today. Hmmm. Such as, say, Steve Jobs if he lived in the 1500s? Maybe his skills really only fit techy stuff, and back then, he would've had nothing to grab onot, thus not being a success no matter how determined a dude he was? |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Well, put nearly any of us back in the 1500's and we'd be probably worse off than Dull seems to be <smile>. I'd be several times dead by now, as a Jew and a cancer survivor, and also being a highly myopic (from early) and not particularly athletic sort. But perhaps that sort of 'change the environment and where would you be' scenario is a bit off the charts for this discussion...
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Ugh, woke up after only 90 minutes of sleeping. But perhaps that sort of 'change the environment and where would you be' scenario is a bit off the charts for this discussion... It'd be almost perfect. One thing I'm asking is, who's read, or seen TV reports that summarize about, the research on twins? Some of it has involved identical twins that were separated shortly after birth and, IIRC, while some turned out very similar, in other cases, the influence of nurture caused very big differences. So, what does science have to say about "we make our own luck"? Anecdote: whether you like his stuff or not, the rapper Eminem is a success and he id work hard to get there. But, part of that success story was also that Dr. Dre heard some of his stuff, got interested, and plucked him up. Dre helped in that success story. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
I had a tough start and was raised by middle class? parents. I managed to attend college and get a BA degree in math education. I didn't stay with teaching and ended up working in the civil engineering field. I'm not a success if only measured monitarily but now in my retirement I am reasonably content. I probably could have become wealthy with a few lucky breaks and a lot of ambition but I chose to go through life without stepping on the backs of my family, friends and co-workers or sponging off the government. I am totally responsible for where I am now but like most everyone else I do sometimes try to pin the blame elsewhere. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 979 Credit: 103,527 RAC: 0 |
Basically nothing to blame just reconsider about your way of thinking and your way of doing maybe everyday something. (probably I have read somewhere) Mandtugai! |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I find it interesting, time and time and again, how some people who are interested in the various scientific projects hosted through BOINC, with some of these people themselves involved in the teaching or research of mathematics or other sciences, will often fall back upon unfounded opinions. And they do so with as much certainty as the certainty they attack in the threads about religion and spirituality. Too bad no one's tried to respond to this yet. (You do that pretty often, S@H Politics debating community. Get asked a d@mn3d good question, and you clam up.) Well, I've made a connection that's going to might help me start providing you some of science's answers. So, maybe we'll find out ... what's science got to say about this concept ... "you make your own luck." |
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