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Message 861961 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 18:39:40 UTC

Hi all,

After just over a year I say goodbye to Seti. Not that I don't like it, not that I don't believe in it, no I am being forced to.

While the world is in a recession the Dutch power companies thought it was time to raise the bill for electricity. Not with 1 or 2 percent, no they raised it gigantically. My 2 computers were crunching on full power 24/7, consuming a lot of electricity that way.

The reason for the raise is the climbing of the oil prizes last summer. The fact that at the end of last year the prizes went down is irrelevant to them.

With this raise I can not afford it anymore, so I have to stop.
When I saw the letter yesterday I was so angry, so pissed, I went to the computers and deleted everything related to Boinc. Everything is gone, programs and WU's (those waiting and those which were ready but not uploaded yet).

Today I came to my senses and I thought about my action. I still will stop crunching and after having done some things on the computer I will switch it of.

I do realize that I did a bad thing in erasing the WU's and therefore I want to apologize to my wingmen, who ever and where ever you are. I am sorry. You have to wait longer before you get the credits you deserve.

I have had a nice year belonging to this group, who always answered my questions, stupid or not, and I hope I sometimes also could give a good answer to somebody else's questions.

I say goodbye to you all. I hope you find what you are looking for. Maybe I will look in to the forum now and then, but my crunching days are over.
Well, until the prizes for electricity go down again.

Bye bye.

Jan Mussche a.k.a. DeMus
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Message 861964 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 18:52:19 UTC - in response to Message 861961.  

You could just use BOINC not 24/7 but only when your PC is required to work. Additional power consumption in this case not so big indeed to worry about it (if you will use PC at all of course :P )

Here 15% rise in electricity from 1 january ...
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Message 861975 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 19:44:11 UTC

Its seems to be a norm at the moment.
Everyone is suffering.
Except the energy companies are making obscene record beating profits whilst neglecting plant maintenance and begging for handouts.
Ive been trying to promote a open season on them, a daily limit might need to be imposed as theres quite a few out there who would like to get their pound of flesh back.
Hell .. some countries could even put a bounty on them.
Hasn't gained any traction unfortunately.
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Message 861987 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 20:00:39 UTC

Demus,

You're welcome to come chat anytime...sorry you have to do this but I understand.


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Message 861992 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 20:13:53 UTC - in response to Message 861961.  

Just set your workunit buffer to zero so you don't have a backlog of tasks that you may not crunch in time. You'll still be able to donate your idle CPU time while you're surfing the web. :)
You will be assimilated...bunghole!

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Message 861993 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 20:15:26 UTC

Keep crunching time by time. So you will be able to post.

Hope you will find a cheaper provider soon.
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Message 862005 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 20:53:00 UTC - in response to Message 861993.  
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Thanks for all the nice words to keep me crunching. It's good to know it's appreciated what you are doing. (would be disappointed if you didn't write all this)

Sorry, but I made up my mind. As I wrote earlier I will come to this forum from time to time to see what's going on, what new applications there are, etc.
Also to check if my pending credit list is empty so I know my final score, which will be something like 880.000.

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Message 862023 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 21:59:05 UTC

I understand getting angry and walking away from BOINC (!!!) and leaving for economic reasons it is very understandable, especially with the world in a recession/depression.

But as Raistmer and Borgholio suggest, just crunch when you are using your computer anyway. Even with inflated prices, the added electricity from crunching while using your computer for other things would be hardly noticeable on your power bill.

For now, you have RAC enough to keep posting for a month or more. Plenty of time for you to re-think. This place is very addictive, you know. . . ;-)
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Message 862032 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 22:11:22 UTC

I wonder how much is too much, however. In an ideal world we might each budget x-euros for boinc. But how much should boinc get in anyone's budget. This fellow probably over reacted.

Yet, do any of you have any bench marks that make sense and are willing to suggest?

I have an ostrich budget; I don't look or try to guess. I meerly open the closet doors and heat my room when I'm not there because I can't stand the fan noise.

My actual criteria is to run the host until it dies (meaning I'll fix it if I have the parts, but I won't buy any more); or if the host is replaced somehow, as when an employer swaps out the hardware or similar loss of access.

Unfortunately, some of these beasts simply fail to fail. So my corrollary is to turn off the oldest, least productive ones when their rac surpasses the most accomplished dead computer. I haven't had a chance to use this part of my policy yet, however. My dual P-II will probably never die, damn Intel!
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Message 862039 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 22:23:46 UTC - in response to Message 862032.  
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I wonder how much is too much, however. In an ideal world we might each budget x-euros for boinc. But how much should boinc get in anyone's budget. This fellow probably over reacted.

Yet, do any of you have any bench marks that make sense and are willing to suggest?

I have an ostrich budget; I don't look or try to guess. I meerly open the closet doors and heat my room when I'm not there because I can't stand the fan noise.

My actual criteria is to run the host until it dies (meaning I'll fix it if I have the parts, but I won't buy any more); or if the host is replaced somehow, as when an employer swaps out the hardware or similar loss of access.

Unfortunately, some of these beasts simply fail to fail. So my corrollary is to turn off the oldest, least productive ones when their rac surpasses the most accomplished dead computer. I haven't had a chance to use this part of my policy yet, however. My dual P-II will probably never die, damn Intel!

I am sort of in the ostrich category as well in that I live in an apartment and my electricity is included. (Please, please don’t tell my landlord of the kiliowatts I burn each month in the name of science.) And, where I live, electricity is still pretty cheap anyway, about 0.07$/kwhr. (0.0442 EUR)

On the other hand, I built a dedicated cruncher last year for about 550$ (350 EUR). So, I guess, call it 600$ (380 EUR) per year for my BOINC obsession.

[EDIT] I probably spend more than that on shoes so. . . ;o) [/edit]
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Message 862052 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 22:45:28 UTC - in response to Message 861961.  

Maybe I will look in to the forum now and then, but my crunching days are over. Well, until the prizes for electricity go down again.

Like that matters. You'll be stuck to that electricity bill for the next 6 months anyway, just as we all are. Most of it for me is for gas, something my computers (3) don't even run on... ;-)

But I know what you mean, it was a thing to swallow, reading my letter from Greenchoice. Heck. Then again, as I said, since I am stuck to having to pay that same bill until June anyway, I don't see why I would have to turn off my computers now, or turn my central heating off and go cook on a charcoal fire on the balcony...
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Message 862054 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 22:56:54 UTC - in response to Message 862052.  
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Maybe I will look in to the forum now and then, but my crunching days are over. Well, until the prizes for electricity go down again.

Like that matters. You'll be stuck to that electricity bill for the next 6 months anyway, just as we all are. Most of it for me is for gas, something my computers (3) don't even run on... ;-)

But I know what you mean, it was a thing to swallow, reading my letter from Greenchoice. Heck. Then again, as I said, since I am stuck to having to pay that same bill until June anyway, I don't see why I would have to turn off my computers now, or turn my central heating off and go cook on a charcoal fire on the balcony...


Just curious, but how much do you guys pay for electricity (about 0.045 EUR per kwhr here)?
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Message 862068 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 23:20:46 UTC
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Base Price in year: 85.68 €
..and then additional..
..at March it will be 0.2130 €/kWh Germany.. :-(


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current 0.1987 €/kWh
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Message 862070 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 23:21:29 UTC - in response to Message 862039.  
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Hi, had the same problem and it's a pity, you can't continue! Hope their will be better times.
I do (a lot off) voluntary work and help people, working with computers. Making repairs, network issues, updating an too old PC, etc.
Because, this 'work', is not payed and I have my kosts too. I managed to convince the city counsil the importance of the voluntary work and this also will Zutphen put on the 'map', in the search of extra terrestrial communication and the search for pulsars also particle behavior in the Large Hadron Collider.

So they finance the use of 4 QUAD's for the coming years! Only the energy, maintenance, I have to do myself. :)
Since they draw ~1KWatt/hour = 25KW* per day and they run 24/7/365 days a year.
At almost 25 Eurocent a KWh, which is gonna raise to 30 cents a KWh, by the end of the year, this is a very nice arrangement.! Of which I am very pleased.
It's 2750 Euro a year.
So I keep on crunching :)
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Message 862101 - Posted: 5 Feb 2009, 0:27:52 UTC

Isn't socialism grand? No need to worry because someone else will do it for you. And no need to complain because everybody is in the same boat.
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Message 862117 - Posted: 5 Feb 2009, 0:53:52 UTC - in response to Message 862068.  

Base Price in year: 85.68 €
..and then additional..
..at March it will be 0.2130 €/kWh Germany.. :-(


EDIT:
current 0.1987 €/kWh



Four times what we pay in British Columbia.

Thank Dog for hydro-electric, I guess.

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Message 862136 - Posted: 5 Feb 2009, 1:26:16 UTC - in response to Message 862039.  

I am paying .077993/kWh here in Arizona, up from last year.

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Message 862218 - Posted: 5 Feb 2009, 5:32:56 UTC - in response to Message 862136.  

Yes, I know I can stay crunching while I do other things with the computer, I have thought of that, but I know myself. Soon I will leave the computer on for a while, then for the night and soon it will be crunching 24/7 again.

No, sorry, I have made up my mind and I have stopped. It's getting too much.

Yes, I know I have to pay the high prizes probably at least until June or so, but with using a whole lot less energy I will have a refund at the end. That's what I'm aiming for.

Does it mean that when my RAC has fallen to zero I can no longer post here? That's what I read in one of the posts:
Champ wrote: Keep crunching time by time. So you will be able to post.
KenzieB wrote: For now, you have RAC enough to keep posting for a month or more.

So no RAC, no posts? Then this is really the end. I was hoping I could still keep in touch, but if these are the rules then I really say goodbye now.
It was fun, it was great, raising the RAC, getting more and more from my machines, talking here on the forum, reading what others do.
But okay, before this is getting another long story, I better stop.

Bye bye,
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Message 862220 - Posted: 5 Feb 2009, 5:53:16 UTC

I think I figured it up once when I was running my q6600 and 2 8600gt cards I was using about 300 watts = about 20$ a month here in Lynchburg VA USA now I have 1 9500gt card and a i7 the watts still about 300 and about 20$ a month I can live with that. It is no different than using a TV or electric light in a room.
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Message 862251 - Posted: 5 Feb 2009, 8:38:10 UTC - in response to Message 862220.  
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I think I figured it up once when I was running my q6600 and 2 8600gt cards I was using about 300 watts = about 20$ a month here in Lynchburg VA USA now I have 1 9500gt card and a i7 the watts still about 300 and about 20$ a month I can live with that. It is no different than using a TV or electric light in a room.

I spend 124$ a month for my electricty or about 1500$ a year and that includes SETI(computer), lights, cooling, heating, cooking, TV, music, cleaning, hot water, and refrigation for my groceries. A totally electric home.
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