So what you're saying here is at least 2/3rds, or well over half of white America, doesn't have any trace of African genes.

Imagine my surprise.[/quote]
once again scientific truth... not.
you quote too easily articles and stuff that comes from reliable source.. not
you are from africa, like it or not

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

[quote]You know, this brings up an interesting topic....for me anyway.

How is it that you're utilizing DNA to identify the racial make-up of people, when according to you liberals, we are all human and biologically no different from any other human being.

to show the same point to less educated people

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

From your Avatars and a photo I saw of you I wondered if [snip]

Looks can be deceiving... ;)

Actually looks do not deceive. Our eyes are pretty accurate.

Our assumptions however may fail us and we can misread what we see.

(PS: BrainSmashR: From your Avatars and a photo I saw of you I wondered if you had French ancestors? Am I wrong?)

BrainSmashR may not have a French heritage but I thought I saw that in his face & physique.. It's of no great issue. Just a thought.

I may be wrong.

He will say.

You know, this brings up an interesting topic....for me anyway.

How is it that you're utilizing DNA to identify the racial make-up of people, when according to you liberals, we are all human and biologically no different from any other human being.

What a tangled web we weave...

That's right. We are all the same race. The human race..but my sister is slightly shorter than me, my father had different coloured eyes and so on..but we are still obviously related.

A lot of minor differences can be traced back to different parts of the world..when we say you have african genes..it is possible to trace your ancestry back to particular tribes (or families) in Africa with enough data. For example the red haired gene originated in Germany. Our family has what is called the Viking finger..a bent little finger that supposedly is a Viking gene.

I think you should go get one of those DNA tests and see what your genetic makeup is.

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Our family has what is called the Viking finger..a bent little finger that supposedly is a Viking gene.

Oh.

I rather saw you as a modern day Boadicea ......

. . . most definitely

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You know, this brings up an interesting topic....for me anyway.

How is it that you're utilizing DNA to identify the racial make-up of people, when according to you liberals, we are all human and biologically no different from any other human being.

What a tangled web we weave...

That's right. We are all the same race. The human race..but my sister is slightly shorter than me, my father had different coloured eyes and so on..but we are still obviously related.

A lot of minor differences can be traced back to different parts of the world..when we say you have african genes..it is possible to trace your ancestry back to particular tribes (or families) in Africa with enough data. For example the red haired gene originated in Germany. Our family has what is called the Viking finger..a bent little finger that supposedly is a Viking gene.

I think you should go get one of those DNA tests and see what your genetic makeup is.

So what you're saying is that there are in fact distinguishing characteristics which can be traced to specific regions of the world and thus linked to specific races.

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say that we are in fact different, right down to our DNA?

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You know, this brings up an interesting topic....for me anyway.

How is it that you're utilizing DNA to identify the racial make-up of people, when according to you liberals, we are all human and biologically no different from any other human being.

What a tangled web we weave...

We often use the term "Human race" but since we (homosapiens) are the only form of humanoids the term "race" has no real value.

Racists tend to divide us humans up into "races" so that they can suggest that one group (colour) is better than another.

For me the use of DNA does not divide humans into different races.

For me we are a single form of being.

But we do have a long path through history and have slightly different forms and a vast range of ethnic and cultural expressions.

DNA has helped us understand that we have all come from the same family.

Am I liberal for knowing regardless of colour, shape, size that we all have the same potential?

Being able to decode and use DNA evidence is an excellent tool.

We no longer have to accept fascists who believe they are born of a pure 'race'.. We can DNA test them.. All purists will fail...



You and I may well be related within the past 10 or 20 generations or earlier :o)~.

Scary hey.


(PS: BrainSmashR: From your Avatars and a photo I saw of you I wondered if you had French ancestors? Am I wrong?)

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Actually, the term "humanoid" means having human form or characteristics, which would encompass all of the great apes, not just human beings. In fact, the term orangutan mean "man of the forest".

As far as us all having the same potential. Ask Es how many children die year after year after year in 3rd world countries from giving their babies contaminated water...seemingly without the ability to LEARN from their mistakes.

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So what you're saying here is at least 2/3rds, or well over half of white America, doesn't have any trace of African genes.

Imagine my surprise.

once again scientific truth... not.
you quote too easily articles and stuff that comes from reliable source.. not
you are from africa, like it or not

Actually, that didn't come from MY source, I quoted an MSNBC article.

Perhaps you should actually pay attention before you start trying to debate me, Einstein...not

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BrainSmashR, you've fallen into a big trap if you think that people from some countries or races have the ability to learn from their mistakes and people from other countries haven't. If contaminated water is all you have and/or you have no clean toilet facilities, you and your family will end up with enteric infections no matter how careful you are and even if babies are all breastfed for a year or more.

I've seen numerous apparently indigenous people in the UK and Europe fail to wash their hands after using the toilet. Are indigenous Europeans incapable of learning from their mistakes?

In the UK, the currently highest-performing groups of school children are of Chinese and Indian origin. Yet in India child mortality is high. When Indians get the opportunity, they usually grasp it and learn from their mistakes. One of the educationally lowest-performing groups in the UK is currently white working-class boys. Are we to think that this racial/gender group is incapable of learning from its mistakes? Or are other factors involved?

In the UK girls on average perform better educationally than boys, whatever their racial origin. Are we to think that girls have an inbuilt genetic advantage making them superior in this respect? Or are other factors involved?

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You know, this brings up an interesting topic....for me anyway.

How is it that you're utilizing DNA to identify the racial make-up of people, when according to you liberals, we are all human and biologically no different from any other human being.

What a tangled web we weave...

That's right. We are all the same race. The human race..but my sister is slightly shorter than me, my father had different coloured eyes and so on..but we are still obviously related.

A lot of minor differences can be traced back to different parts of the world..when we say you have african genes..it is possible to trace your ancestry back to particular tribes (or families) in Africa with enough data. For example the red haired gene originated in Germany. Our family has what is called the Viking finger..a bent little finger that supposedly is a Viking gene.

I think you should go get one of those DNA tests and see what your genetic makeup is.

So what you're saying is that there are in fact distinguishing characteristics which can be traced to specific regions of the world and thus linked to specific races.

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say that we are in fact different, right down to our DNA?

Yes I am saying there are distinguishing characteristics due to our dna..but they are mostly superficial. There will be just as much variation between 2 people of the same colour from the same country, as between 2 people of different colours and different continents.

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BrainSmashR, you've fallen into a big trap if you think that people from some countries or races have the ability to learn from their mistakes and people from other countries haven't. If contaminated water is all you have and/or you have no clean toilet facilities, you and your family will end up with enteric infections no matter how careful you are and even if babies are all breastfed for a year or more.

I've seen numerous apparently indigenous people in the UK and Europe fail to wash their hands after using the toilet. Are indigenous Europeans incapable of learning from their mistakes?

In the UK, the currently highest-performing groups of school children are of Chinese and Indian origin. Yet in India child mortality is high. When Indians get the opportunity, they usually grasp it and learn from their mistakes. One of the educationally lowest-performing groups in the UK is currently white working-class boys. Are we to think that this racial/gender group is incapable of learning from its mistakes? Or are other factors involved?

In the UK girls on average perform better educationally than boys, whatever their racial origin. Are we to think that girls have an inbuilt genetic advantage making them superior in this respect? Or are other factors involved?

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Girls are actually generally clever than boys. They even used to have to have a lower pass mark for boys in the school exams to make sure that not too many girls got into grammer schools.

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BrainSmashR, you've fallen into a big trap if you think that people from some countries or races have the ability to learn from their mistakes and people from other countries haven't. If contaminated water is all you have and/or you have no clean toilet facilities, you and your family will end up with enteric infections no matter how careful you are and even if babies are all breastfed for a year or more.

That's absolutely absurd. Poisoning yourself because you're suffering from dehydration is not the solution...relocation is. Are they to poor to walk?

I've seen numerous apparently indigenous people in the UK and Europe fail to wash their hands after using the toilet. Are indigenous Europeans incapable of learning from their mistakes?

Are thousands and thousands of Europeans dying every year from not washing their hands or does your "comparison" lack a critical and motivating factor?

In the UK, the currently highest-performing groups of school children are of Chinese and Indian origin. Yet in India child mortality is high. When Indians get the opportunity, they usually grasp it and learn from their mistakes. One of the educationally lowest-performing groups in the UK is currently white working-class boys. Are we to think that this racial/gender group is incapable of learning from its mistakes? Or are other factors involved?

I think having people die from starvation while worshiping a cow speaks for itself.

In the UK girls on average perform better educationally than boys, whatever their racial origin. Are we to think that girls have an inbuilt genetic advantage making them superior in this respect? Or are other factors involved?

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Actually it's already been proven that, on average, women are superior to men in several areas of learning.

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Yes I am saying there are distinguishing characteristics due to our dna..but they are mostly superficial.

Mostly, as in "the greater part of", but not 100%, correct?

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it's already been proven that, on average, women are superior to men in several areas of learning.

Feminist sympathizer... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Yes I am saying there are distinguishing characteristics due to our dna..but they are mostly superficial.

Mostly, as in "the greater part of", but not 100%, correct?

No..I don't consider things like Sickle Cell superficial. If you are looking for some genetic link between race and intelligence..well scientists haven't found one. Sorry to disappoint.

I teach kids of all races..and I haven't noticed one either.

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you quote too easily articles and stuff that comes from reliable source.. not


Actually, that didn't come from MY source, I quoted an MSNBC article.

Perhaps you should actually pay attention before you start trying to debate me, Einstein...not[/quote]


read and weep

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

Mark et al,

There are about four threads gong now on this topic --Perhaps you and the other originators can agree to marry them up.

I think that we should concentrate the info and the discussions so that the interest on this topic won't be diluted.

regards,

Bill
AKA DADDIO

Hi again BrainSmashR

BrainSmashR, you've fallen into a big trap if you think that people from some countries or races have the ability to learn from their mistakes and people from other countries haven't. If contaminated water is all you have and/or you have no clean toilet facilities, you and your family will end up with enteric infections no matter how careful you are and even if babies are all breastfed for a year or more.

That's absolutely absurd. Poisoning yourself because you're suffering from dehydration is not the solution...relocation is. Are they to poor to walk?

I'm astonished you were not already aware that millions of people in the world still do have to walk considerable distances to collect water. And still do not always find a clean supply.

I'm also surprised you were not already aware that millions of people worldwide are already relocating either to urban areas within their own countries, or emigrating. I assume you will be delighted to share your clean water supply with them when they arrive.

I've seen numerous apparently indigenous people in the UK and Europe fail to wash their hands after using the toilet. Are indigenous Europeans incapable of learning from their mistakes?

Are thousands and thousands of Europeans dying every year from not washing their hands or does your "comparison" lack a critical and motivating factor?

I'm not sure what you mean by apparently implying that comparisons should have a motivating factor. Perhaps you could explain.

Of course Europeans are less likely to die from infections than undernourished and poverty-stricken people. The immune system of well-nourished people less continually assailed by infection will usually be in better shape.

In the UK, the currently highest-performing groups of school children are of Chinese and Indian origin. Yet in India child mortality is high. When Indians get the opportunity, they usually grasp it and learn from their mistakes. One of the educationally lowest-performing groups in the UK is currently white working-class boys. Are we to think that this racial/gender group is incapable of learning from its mistakes? Or are other factors involved?

I think having people die from starvation while worshiping a cow speaks for itself.

I agree that this form of worship may appear absurd to many, just as most religions have some rather absurd aspects. The worship of cows is, however, not the primary cause of poverty in India. Keeping large numbers of often unproductive animals does not necessarily help economically, though I believe that even the dung is usually collected and used. I hope the SETI members who keep economically unproductive cats and dogs also collect the waste and put it to equally good use.

Hi Bill

You said

There are about four threads gong now on this topic --Perhaps you and the other originators can agree to marry them up.

I think that we should concentrate the info and the discussions so that the interest on this topic won't be diluted.

There was only one original poster, Mark, and he's now taken the original topic to another thread where it can be fully discussed.

So this thread is now for no topic in particular, which is unusual for the SETI forum and most refreshing. I see no sign that interest in the many conceptions and misconceptions undergoing critical analysis here is falling away or being diluted.

Hi Bill

You said

There are about four threads gong now on this topic --Perhaps you and the other originators can agree to marry them up.

I think that we should concentrate the info and the discussions so that the interest on this topic won't be diluted.

There was only one original poster, Mark, and he's now taken the original topic to another thread where it can be fully discussed.

So this thread is now for no topic in particular, which is unusual for the SETI forum and most refreshing. I see no sign that interest in the many conceptions and misconceptions undergoing critical analysis here is falling away or being diluted.

Mark's original thread (this one) was hijacked and turned to a discussion on DNA and genetics. He abandoned this thread to whatever anyone wants to discuss, despite the heading.

His new thread will concentrate on the subject and title.

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It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues