Religious Thread [10]

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Sarge Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79	Message 578761 - Posted: 30 May 2007, 22:34:13 UTC - in response to Message 577712. Actually, the problem is that most normal Muslims are not declaring against "those zealots who are terrorizing others" (I will just call them those murderers from now on), leading most of the rest of us non-Muslims to believe that thay agree with the those murderers. We feel certain that "normal Muslims" don't go out and murder women, children and men like those murderers. But when Al-Jazeera sings the praise of those murderers and shows those murderers cutting the head off someone who is helping rebuild the Iraqi infrastructure it's hard to remember who the "normal Muslims" are, because we never hear from them. I see and talk to Muslims on a daily basis. So I know what they're saying and what they claim to agree with. I suppose you do not meet many Muslims in your area of the country. What is your point and how does it relate to what I said? I also work and talk with Muslims every day. The statement is a non-sequitir. Let me spell out what I am saying very clearly. When those murderers are murdering in the name of Islam and Allah, we do not hear the Imams anywhere refuting their words and repudiating their acts. This leads many to the assumption that the Imams agree and support those murderers. The Muslims I know DO speak out against the words and actions of extremists. Thus, it is your conclusion that is a non-sequitUr. Sarge. How many of the Imams have gone to the general public ( through the media for instance ) to say that what those others are doing is wrong?? None of the Muslims I know are Imams and I do not have access to view al-Jazeera. I could ask my friends if there are videos on the web where some Imams do go to the general public and speak out against the extremists. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 578761 ·

Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0	Message 578764 - Posted: 30 May 2007, 22:38:34 UTC - in response to Message 578252. son Please do not call me son... You neither created me, nor did you father me... I actually prefer 'moron' and 'idiot' over 'son' and 'sir'... I am not 'needy' of hearing the 'empty words'... In my world, they are called LIES... They do not bring me any comfort, they make my spine curl in disgust... Thank you very much... ;) A few months back didn't you make statements how it is morally upright to 'lie to the non believers', jeffey? In order to bring them to Allah or some other such? Am I wrong here? Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! ID: 578764 ·

Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0	Message 578767 - Posted: 30 May 2007, 22:43:45 UTC - in response to Message 578764. A few months back [snip] My post history is there for all to see, as well as yours... Personally, I would be quite ashamed of yours... But that's just me... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . ID: 578767 ·

thorin belvrog Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0	Message 578779 - Posted: 30 May 2007, 23:05:41 UTC - in response to Message 578252. son Please do not call me son... You neither created me, nor did you father me... I actually prefer 'moron' and 'idiot' over 'son' and 'sir'... I am not 'needy' of hearing the 'empty words'... In my world, they are called LIES... They do not bring me any comfort, they make my spine curl in disgust... Thank you very much... ;) Would "brother" fit better? Account frozen... ID: 578779 ·

thorin belvrog Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0	Message 578785 - Posted: 30 May 2007, 23:16:45 UTC - in response to Message 578764. son Please do not call me son... You neither created me, nor did you father me... I actually prefer 'moron' and 'idiot' over 'son' and 'sir'... I am not 'needy' of hearing the 'empty words'... In my world, they are called LIES... They do not bring me any comfort, they make my spine curl in disgust... Thank you very much... ;) A few months back didn't you make statements how it is morally upright to 'lie to the non believers', jeffey? In order to bring them to Allah or some other such? Am I wrong here? If I remember right - and I suppose I do - I read no such statement before. In my opinion, no-one should ever lie to anybody. To hold back a negative or hurting part of the truth may be appropriate from time to time, but I think even this is not good. It IS possible to tell somebody the truth without holding back any part AND without hurting them, if you are diplomatic enough. But this kind of diplomacy is the most difficult one, because it isn't the diplomacy politicians are using. It's the diplomacy of the wise. Account frozen... ID: 578785 ·

Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0	Message 578786 - Posted: 30 May 2007, 23:18:35 UTC - in response to Message 578779. Would "brother" fit better? Naw... The word has lost its meaning because too many hypocrites have adopted it... Man made titles just irritate me anyway... Especially when people don't live up to them... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . ID: 578786 ·

Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0	Message 578904 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 2:39:33 UTC - in response to Message 578767. A few months back [snip] My post history is there for all to see, as well as yours... Personally, I would be quite ashamed of yours... But that's just me... ;) Nice dodge me@rescam.org ID: 578904 ·

Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0	Message 578947 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 4:07:31 UTC - in response to Message 578904. Nice dodge I saw no reason to refute his slander... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . ID: 578947 ·

BillHyland Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 30 Apr 04 Posts: 907 Credit: 5,764,172 RAC: 0	Message 578966 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 5:02:58 UTC - in response to Message 578947. Nice dodge I saw no reason to refute his slander... ;) How is it slander? I ask a direct question and you do not answer. Coward. ID: 578966 ·

Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0	Message 578968 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 5:09:10 UTC - in response to Message 578966. Oops! Did someone else just log into the wrong account before posting... I always thought the three were one in the same... Sorta like an 'evil-trinity'... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . ID: 578968 ·

Uncle Chuck Send message Joined: 16 Feb 07 Posts: 122 Credit: 63,854 RAC: 0	Message 579011 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 7:18:07 UTC - in response to Message 578968. Oops! Did someone else just log into the wrong account before posting... I always thought the three were one in the same... Sorta like an 'evil-trinity'... ;) Oooh! Who are you talking about, Jeff? ID: 579011 ·

Darth Dogbytes™ Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0	Message 579015 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 7:31:14 UTC - in response to Message 579011. Oops! Did someone else just log into the wrong account before posting... I always thought the three were one in the same... Sorta like an 'evil-trinity'... ;) Oooh! Who are you talking about, Jeff? ??? Account frozen... ID: 579015 ·

Sarge Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79	Message 579035 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 7:51:31 UTC - in response to Message 578966. Nice dodge I saw no reason to refute his slander... ;) How is it slander? I ask a direct question and you do not answer. Coward. You call him both son and coward? What an interesting juxtaposition! Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 579035 ·

Sarge Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79	Message 579036 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 7:52:41 UTC - in response to Message 578966. Last modified: 31 May 2007, 7:53:05 UTC Nice dodge I saw no reason to refute his slander... ;) How is it slander? I ask a direct question and you do not answer. Coward. You know what? We really could use Chuck back, because you two fighting each other is ridiculous and pointless. GOOD NIGHT!!! Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 579036 ·

Sarge Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79	Message 579038 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 7:53:31 UTC In fact, it's the ridiculous bickering that could turn a few to his side. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 579038 ·

Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0	Message 579093 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 10:57:24 UTC - in response to Message 578966. Last modified: 31 May 2007, 11:20:35 UTC I ask a direct question and you do not answer. What makes you think that I owe you anything? ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . ID: 579093 ·

thorin belvrog Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0	Message 579127 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 12:13:42 UTC - in response to Message 579035. Last modified: 31 May 2007, 12:14:08 UTC Nice dodge I saw no reason to refute his slander... ;) How is it slander? I ask a direct question and you do not answer. Coward. You call him both son and coward? [b]What an interesting juxtaposition![b] We really could use Chuck back, because you two fighting each other is ridiculous and pointless. I wouldn't go that far to say it's pointless - but the idea of someone joining with a real opposite position is a good one. The "enemies" are away, now the "allies" fight against each other... Account frozen... ID: 579127 ·

Beethoven Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Jun 06 Posts: 15274 Credit: 8,546 RAC: 0	Message 579158 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 13:16:04 UTC Last modified: 31 May 2007, 13:16:22 UTC OOOH! A Fight!!! Did I miss much? Bring on the Sign Girls! ID: 579158 ·

Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0	Message 579183 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 14:17:29 UTC - in response to Message 579127. The "enemies" are away, now the "allies" fight against each other... Allies? Naw, this is more like it: Ah! ye are those who love them, but they love you not,Ã¢Ë†â€™ though ye believe in the whole of the Book. When they meet you, they say, "We believe": But when they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say: "Perish in your rage; Allah knoweth well all the secrets of the heart." ~ Qur'an 3:119 ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . ID: 579183 ·

Dominique Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Mar 05 Posts: 1628 Credit: 74,745 RAC: 0	Message 579214 - Posted: 31 May 2007, 15:38:25 UTC Chris James ID: 579214 ·

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