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Message 568728 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:23:14 UTC - in response to Message 568722.  

Long live the FrankenServer!

*Muahahaha!*


Ooooh, big jump in cricket graph,, just maybe "It's ALIIIIVE"

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Message 568729 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:24:05 UTC

Just before the outage I did some minor tweaks to my old K6's hardware to try to reduce the wu run times from "forever" to "an eternity". Never really got a chance to test it out.

But then, since that machine is no good for any of the other BOINC projects I know about (SAH seems to have the smallest wu's) I thought it might be a good time to upgrade from Win98 to Debian. That was surprisingly easy and Debian even has the BOINC packages, boy is the installer better than it used to be. The benchmarks came in about half what I was getting under W98. Then again, half of negligible is still, you know, who cares.

Anyway, there's a wu on it that's trying to download. One of these days. Meantime, Einstein gets the spare cycles from my other machines.
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Message 568734 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:28:33 UTC

Frankenserver. LOL That's what the doctor ordered, Seriously I hope It helps, But Hey the more servers helping with the load, The better I'd think.
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Message 568735 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:28:36 UTC - in response to Message 568473.  

Hi everbody,

Like all of us, we have a lot of problems to upload.
I mean only one !!! Impossible to upload.
I have about 1,000 units to report !!!

I hope the " deadline " will be reported because there are already about
250 too late !!!

But the most important, nobody from the Seti team answer about it !!!
Of course they have other problems to solve, but a new post about it will be welcome !!!


If you would just read the last weeks postings before you complain, maybe it would help your frustrations.


Thanks !!!!
Instead of repeat, can you give the link to the answer on my question ???
Very easy to say : " read the previous message " !!!
It seem you know the answer, then please give the link.
But it was more easy to put here the link to the answer !!!

Regards, and my excuses for my english.
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Message 568742 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:35:31 UTC - in response to Message 568695.  
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Duplicate message board pages have always opened on all my machines regardless of versions. This only happens on SETI. But it is useful. The first page opens at the start of the thread, then wait a bit, and the second page opens at the point one read to last time one read the thread.


A lot of the behavior of the forums (including whether or not links open in a new window) can be controlled on the Your Account page.

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Message 568743 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:35:38 UTC - in response to Message 568729.  
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Just before the outage I did some minor tweaks to my old K6's hardware to try to reduce the wu run times from "forever" to "an eternity". Never really got a chance to test it out.

But then, since that machine is no good for any of the other BOINC projects I know about (SAH seems to have the smallest wu's) I thought it might be a good time to upgrade from Win98 to Debian. That was surprisingly easy and Debian even has the BOINC packages, boy is the installer better than it used to be. The benchmarks came in about half what I was getting under W98. Then again, half of negligible is still, you know, who cares.

Anyway, there's a wu on it that's trying to download. One of these days. Meantime, Einstein gets the spare cycles from my other machines.


Zivis has smallest WU (less than 1.5 Mb each WU), but the software's engine is bigger (23.95 Mb or so). Zivis, also, has a beta test, with files of 256 Mb.

More info Zivis homepage.

PD: Zivis is studying mollecular physics, as a part of the Large Hadron Collider, a particle accelerator.
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Message 568749 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:47:23 UTC - in response to Message 568734.  

Frankenserver. LOL That's what the doctor ordered, Seriously I hope It helps, But Hey the more servers helping with the load, The better I'd think.


Hey! Why not? Frankenserver can be really usefull!:

  • Low calculus needed: A 286 can be usefull: Low problems on heating, ...
  • Medium calculus needed: A 486/pentium I can be usefull
  • High calculus needed: Sparcs/pentium IV...



For server applications:


  • Fast results: Sparcs/pentium
  • Medium results: 386/486 or similar
  • Slow results: 286/8088 or similar



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Message 568758 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:58:31 UTC - in response to Message 568728.  

Long live the FrankenServer!

*Muahahaha!*


Ooooh, big jump in cricket graph,, just maybe "It's ALIIIIVE"

Yup I just uploaded about 8 completed WU that had been stuck for a couple of days. At least half of the problem is solved maybe... but still no new work:(
When we finally figure it all out, all the rules will change and we can start all over again.
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Message 568762 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:03:43 UTC - in response to Message 568575.  
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Well, Franz, in fact it's possible, but:

    1.-All the requests continues, so the connection will be dropped anyway

    2.-The servers are working continuosly, and the bottleneck isn't the main problem (remember they're retiring some servers),'cause this project is worldwide.

    3.-The best way (and that's what they're doing) is to limit the ammount of concurrent connections. The problem is that the rest are dropped out.

    4.-The way that boinc client uploads/downloads is an FTP server like, so, you can't to set the maximum of upload speed and/or download speed 'cause it depends the FTP command you use (It's a persistent connection on both sides, not only to up/download: for commands too)

    And sure that there're many more important technical reasons ;)



Ok, thanks for your explainations

Thinking to the past, I've seen some times that
uploading was working and download not.
Some times opposite.

But it was for technical problems (some server down).

Now I see that in this moment we have

sah_validate1 bruno Disabled
sah_validate2 bruno Disabled
sah_validate3 bruno Disabled
sah_validate4 bruno Disabled
sah_validate5 bruno Disabled
sah_validate6 bruno Disabled
fix_missing_results kosh Disabled
sah_assimilator1 bruno Disabled
sah_assimilator2 bruno Disabled
sah_assimilator3 bruno Disabled
sah_assimilator4 bruno Disabled

and I have seen that download seems to be faster.
As I understand, disabling validate and assimilators, they give
more power to ...

upload/download server bruno Running

... so may be the staff in Berk is doing something like my suggestion.
The download queue will rapidly finish and than we will have the upload time.
The opposite of my suggestion but the concept is the same.
Separate the jobs in order to manage them better.

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Message 568765 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:08:26 UTC

I've got 2 completed WU's that have been sitting there "forever".
No new WU's either... something's definately askew!

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Message 568770 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:18:05 UTC - in response to Message 568758.  
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Ooooh, big jump in cricket graph,, just maybe "It's ALIIIIVE"

Yup I just uploaded about 8 completed WU that had been stuck for a couple of days. At least half of the problem is solved maybe... but still no new work:(


From Eric's biannual post #6: You can tuna fish, but you can't tune a TCP in the Staff Blog forum:

Addendumb: I had a 'd'Oh!' moment this morning. Apparently we were running with the upload timeout set at 20 minutes (which I think is the apache default), so our connections were being dominated by machines that couldn't get through, but were hanging onto the connection.

If you look at our network traffic, you can see what happened when I lowered that to 30 seconds..... We sending about 4 times as much work as we were when I got in this morning.


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Message 568780 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:32:31 UTC

A month ago I started up again after a 5 year absence and am having a problem with downloading work. It was doing fine before the server went down but now, even after my computer being on for 12 hours, there are no new projects. This is what is says:

Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
Deferring communications for 11 sec
Reason: requested by project
Deffering communication for 28 min 22 sec
Reason: no work from project

Can anybody help?
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Message 568782 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:34:55 UTC - in response to Message 568742.  


A lot of the behavior of the forums (including whether or not links open in a new window) can be controlled on the Your Account page.

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Really?? I looked for a setting that would make everyone nicer, and I couldn't find it. <ducking>
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Message 568784 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:36:03 UTC

Hi all.
I'm not a net Guru and I cannot figure out what a hell is coming on.
This is what I noticed my side:
There's a size mismatch in every each uploaded result that's actually preventing successful uploading (in my case mostly around 0.72 KB).
Ciao.

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Message 568787 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:36:51 UTC - in response to Message 568780.  

A month ago I started up again after a 5 year absence and am having a problem with downloading work. It was doing fine before the server went down but now, even after my computer being on for 12 hours, there are no new projects. This is what is says:

Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
Deferring communications for 11 sec
Reason: requested by project
Deffering communication for 28 min 22 sec
Reason: no work from project

Can anybody help?

Ha so you are the straw that broke the camels back!(LOL just kidding)
Everyone is having that problem... so just wait a bit longer. They seem to be making some progress in resolving the problems.
When we finally figure it all out, all the rules will change and we can start all over again.
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Message 568788 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:38:02 UTC - in response to Message 568784.  

Hi all.
I'm not a net Guru and I cannot figure out what a hell is coming on.
This is what I noticed my side:
There's a size mismatch in every each uploaded result that's actually preventing successful uploading (in my case mostly around 0.72 KB).
Ciao.


I noticed that, it is a symptom, not the cause.
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Message 568789 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:38:36 UTC - in response to Message 568780.  
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Not sure but i having the same message if i try to get work
mayby they are not giving new work @ the moment to relieve the stress on the network
we wil get more info from Mat and or Eric soon as the day is stil young in berkeley world

[edit]just got 2 more results returned[/edit]

A month ago I started up again after a 5 year absence and am having a problem with downloading work. It was doing fine before the server went down but now, even after my computer being on for 12 hours, there are no new projects. This is what is says:

Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
Deferring communications for 11 sec
Reason: requested by project
Deffering communication for 28 min 22 sec
Reason: no work from project

Can anybody help?



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Message 568790 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:38:57 UTC - in response to Message 568780.  

A month ago I started up again after a 5 year absence and am having a problem with downloading work. It was doing fine before the server went down but now, even after my computer being on for 12 hours, there are no new projects. This is what is says:

Requesting 17280 seconds of new work
Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
Deferring communications for 11 sec
Reason: requested by project
Deffering communication for 28 min 22 sec
Reason: no work from project

Can anybody help?

In a word, no. I'm pretty sure that the project has deliberately turned off the supply of new work, to let the queues of work already allocated and crunched download and upload respectively.

Following Eric's "Addendumb" moment (wonderful what a good night's sleep can do!) those queues are now draining much more quickly: depending how things go, the staff may, or may not, start issuing new WUs before they finish work today.
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Message 568792 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:39:35 UTC

Yikes! Well, I'll donate the $25 bucks everyone has been talking about. That may at least buy some water for the camel while we wait.
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Message 568803 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:45:45 UTC - in response to Message 568788.  

Hi all.
I'm not a net Guru and I cannot figure out what a hell is coming on.
This is what I noticed my side:
There's a size mismatch in every each uploaded result that's actually preventing successful uploading (in my case mostly around 0.72 KB).
Ciao.


I noticed that, it is a symptom, not the cause.


Symptom of What?
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