What is REALLY wrong??

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Geek@Play Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 31 Jul 01 Posts: 2467 Credit: 86,146,931 RAC: 0	Message 567995 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 16:22:49 UTC Last modified: 15 May 2007, 16:24:20 UTC I don't believe anyone is currently getting any work uploaded or downloaded or reported. At the current rate Berkeley will never catch up! I keep looking at this cricket graph. I do not see randomness. I see a pattern in it. As if some other process is working that inhibits the upload and downloading of Seti work. We know that it is possible for the graph to go way higher, it has happened in the past. Some artificial restriction is in place. Possible causes.......... Another process working on the science data base that we Seti crunchers are unaware of? Load sharing that has gone awry? Bruno is too busy? I will admit that I know nothing of network protocalls or the in's and out's of networking. Especially over the internet. I do know that I have seen the cricket graph much higher and without the erratic behavior currently being displayed. I believe some sort of artificial restrictions are currently in place and have been for some time. And that is my opinion. Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....Boinc.... ID: 567995 ·

Pooh Bear 27 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Jul 03 Posts: 3224 Credit: 4,603,826 RAC: 0	Message 567999 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 16:29:56 UTC From Matt: Bruno is dropping lots of packets right now, resulting in all kinds of upload/download snags and showing up as "disabled" on the server status page. This should clear up over time. Plus there was some issues that went awry on Bruno that today's outage will allow them to clear up a little. This information comes from Matt's post from 14-May-07. My movie https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/502242 ID: 567999 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51555 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 568000 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 16:30:15 UTC The kitties are only hoping that today's outage unscrambles things. Otherwise, I am still awaiting a valid explanation of what is going on. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ID: 568000 ·

Geek@Play Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 31 Jul 01 Posts: 2467 Credit: 86,146,931 RAC: 0	Message 568001 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 16:32:07 UTC - in response to Message 567999. Last modified: 15 May 2007, 16:35:31 UTC From Matt: Bruno is dropping lots of packets right now, resulting in all kinds of upload/download snags and showing up as "disabled" on the server status page. This should clear up over time. Plus there was some issues that went awry on Bruno that today's outage will allow them to clear up a little. This information comes from Matt's post from 14-May-07. Yes.......we can't blame Kryton now since he is gone, so now we blame Bruno. Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....Boinc.... ID: 568001 ·

TimeLord04 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23	Message 568004 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 16:32:35 UTC - in response to Message 567995. I don't believe anyone is currently getting any work uploaded or downloaded or reported. At the current rate Berkeley will never catch up! I keep looking at this cricket graph. I do not see randomness. I see a pattern in it. As if some other process is working that inhibits the upload and downloading of Seti work. We know that it is possible for the graph to go way higher, it has happened in the past. Some artificial restriction is in place. Possible causes.......... Another process working on the science data base that we Seti crunchers are unaware of? Load sharing that has gone awry? Bruno is too busy? I will admit that I know nothing of network protocalls or the in's and out's of networking. Especially over the internet. I do know that I have seen the cricket graph much higher and without the erratic behavior currently being displayed. I believe some sort of artificial restrictions are currently in place and have been for some time. And that is my opinion. I believe that you and I are on the same page... I just posted this in my Thread of "Intermittent random Server IP switching..." Thread: ========================================================= One more note; as I've been trying to learn and understand more and more about the big picture in the hardware soup that is SETI@Home and Beta/Astropulse... OK - "IF" the load balancing is doing it's proper job, (and I have no expertise to say it isn't; I can only report what I'm seeing), then from what I'm reading here by Matt, (and elsewhere by others), is that even though there is a "perceived" bottleneck in connectivity that this is not the case, and all is well... Why then are we, (myself and others), experiencing Browser Page Freezes and Hangs on an ongoing intermittent basis which coincide with the random Server IP Address switching happening and ongoing at Berkeley? Next; with the above shoved aside for the moment, since Bruno, (from what I'm reading elsewhere), is the Upload/Download Server and currently is down now too due to unknown issues - why are some people able to circumvent the Upload/Download block with this "fanout" thing or manually editing some file, (which I don't truly understand as my thing is hardware, not software), to a "proxy" address of 128.32.18.173??? (Also updated that allegedly this has now been blocked because using that proxy allegedly costs SSL money...) So, bottom line - where are we??? Are things improving; or, are we seeing a huge cascade of issues that the SETI Team are scrambling to overcome, (both hardware and software and some DNS issues thrown in too), since the Kryten failure months ago??? If this, (as I see it), is a cascade of issues; shouldn't we all, (all users around the world), back off from hammering the Servers with Upload and Download requests while things get ironed out? Or, am I being too simplistic? I would love to physically be there in Berkeley to assist; however, with my limited knowledge, (based on what I'm seeing and what I'm learning by reading), I'd only get in the way... So, what can I do to help from my end; other than just "be patient"... Those two words have been thrown out to everyone here so many times that many have gotten frustrated to the point of leaving the Project(s). I'm not one to pack my bags. I've invested some money and endeavored to donate valued and needed hardware to the SETI Team; as well as my own personal electricity, (as others do too), so what can I/we do at this moment for the SETI Team/Crew to get all of this cleared up? If it truly isn't a DNS/load balancing/IP issue, and since Kryten is no longer in the picture, is this latest incident with Bruno now the key to the issue - or is there still more to come before this is ironed out? ========================================================= So, along with you; where do we go from here??? Right now I have no answer(s); just nagging questions. The fact that the two of us are asking these questions means that others here must share in our thoughts, bewilderment, and concerns. Does anyone have some real answers? Sincerely, TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 568004 ·

Pooh Bear 27 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Jul 03 Posts: 3224 Credit: 4,603,826 RAC: 0	Message 568007 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 16:35:12 UTC It Matt's same post he says it could take MORE THAN A WEEK for things to clear up. Patience. My movie https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/502242 ID: 568007 ·

Demiurg Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0	Message 568033 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 19:07:02 UTC TL, relax and take a; Thing's will clear up in a while. Remember that they are just comming online after the big outage. I know we are impatient, but the candy will be the sweater in the end, trust me:-) Carl *It is SEXY to DONATE!* *Skype = demiurg2* ID: 568033 ·

Ghery S. Pettit Send message Joined: 7 Nov 99 Posts: 325 Credit: 28,109,066 RAC: 82	Message 568081 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 20:53:18 UTC Calm down. Just remember this gem from a coffee cup I got sometime during my career - "To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer!" All will work out in the end. And Rosetta is getting a lot of help while my machines have trouble letting ET phone home. ID: 568081 ·

TimeLord04 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23	Message 568152 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 23:41:08 UTC I have reported updates here; much too much to copy and paste herein... For those interested, please click the link above; otherwise, carry on. The detailed update in the above link is also posted, (originally), in the Technical Threads. So as not to irritate anyone with a third repetitive posting; I chose to instead post a link to the "Update" in this Thread instead. Sincerely, TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos ID: 568152 ·

Blurf Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8964 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0	Message 568224 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 1:51:34 UTC I've started uploading WU's so I'm seeing progress here.... ID: 568224 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 568244 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 2:32:30 UTC - in response to Message 568224. I've started uploading WU's so I'm seeing progress here.... My uploads keep going to 100% the back to upload pending...Can't even get new units to work on... Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 568244 ·

Labbie Send message Joined: 19 Jun 06 Posts: 4083 Credit: 5,930,102 RAC: 0	Message 568256 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 2:44:23 UTC - in response to Message 568244. I've started uploading WU's so I'm seeing progress here.... My uploads keep going to 100% the back to upload pending...Can't even get new units to work on... I've had a couple do that too. Calm Chaos Forum...Join Calm Chaos Now ID: 568256 ·

john_morriss Send message Joined: 5 Nov 99 Posts: 72 Credit: 1,969,221 RAC: 48	Message 568704 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 16:53:25 UTC - in response to Message 568081. Calm down. Just remember this gem from a coffee cup I got sometime during my career - "To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer!" All will work out in the end. And Rosetta is getting a lot of help while my machines have trouble letting ET phone home. Even better version: "To err is human: to forgive is contrary to library policy!" Posted in, of course, the library... ID: 568704 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 568708 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:00:43 UTC This can't be a good thing... 5/15/2007 9:55:24 PM\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Permanently failed upload of 16fe05ab.10775.7232.615894.3.60_1_0 5/15/2007 9:55:24 PM\|SETI@home\|Giving up on upload of 16fe05ab.10775.7232.615894.3.60_1_0: server rejected file Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 568708 ·

Richard Haselgrove Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14690 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874	Message 568712 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:04:49 UTC - in response to Message 568708. This can't be a good thing... 5/15/2007 9:55:24 PM\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Permanently failed upload of 16fe05ab.10775.7232.615894.3.60_1_0 5/15/2007 9:55:24 PM\|SETI@home\|Giving up on upload of 16fe05ab.10775.7232.615894.3.60_1_0: server rejected file Rumour has it that this is a good thing. Apparently, the usual reason the server rejects the file is because it's actually got it already, but never got round to telling you. Now your machine knows it can give up, that's one less upload trying to fight its way through the scrum. See what happens when it gets round to reporting that failed upload. ID: 568712 ·

jeffusa Send message Joined: 21 Aug 02 Posts: 224 Credit: 1,809,275 RAC: 0	Message 568724 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 17:18:47 UTC Does Berkeley need new IT engineers? How much are they paying? ID: 568724 ·

OzzFan Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28	Message 568806 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 18:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 568724. Does Berkeley need new IT engineers? How much are they paying? 20 peanuts per month. ID: 568806 ·

Conrad Human Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Nov 00 Posts: 67 Credit: 2,009,224 RAC: 0	Message 568837 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 19:12:09 UTC - in response to Message 568724. Does Berkeley need new IT engineers? How much are they paying? Free coffe but have to bring own sugger and milk LOL Free internet Very nice machines to play with etc.. ID: 568837 ·

Demiurg Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0	Message 568844 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 19:24:22 UTC I have even heard rumours about them actually perhap's once got a free lunch from a donour. So they might actually once have had a real meal... Look Downerish! *It is SEXY to DONATE!* *Skype = demiurg2* ID: 568844 ·

Compukatt Send message Joined: 5 Oct 99 Posts: 26 Credit: 27,325,826 RAC: 13	Message 568859 - Posted: 16 May 2007, 19:40:29 UTC - in response to Message 568844. I have even heard rumours about them actually perhap's once got a free lunch from a donour. So they might actually once have had a real meal... Look Downerish! I reckon that Matt, Eric and crew know better than most that there is no such thing as a free lunch............. ;) Bill Auckland, NZ ID: 568859 ·

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