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Message 503563 - Posted: 15 Jan 2007, 19:59:35 UTC

Anti-cancer chicken eggs produced
UK scientists have developed genetically modified chickens capable of laying eggs containing proteins needed to make cancer-fighting drugs.


What do people reckon, a good or a bad idea?
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Message 503565 - Posted: 15 Jan 2007, 20:01:43 UTC - in response to Message 503563.  

Anti-cancer chicken eggs produced
UK scientists have developed genetically modified chickens capable of laying eggs containing proteins needed to make cancer-fighting drugs.


What do people reckon, a good or a bad idea?



I think it's great. "Genetics" might hold the key to many cures of various kinds...
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Message 503592 - Posted: 15 Jan 2007, 20:52:11 UTC - in response to Message 503590.  
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Some people might say that it's tinkering with the very fabric of nature?


Surely that is what medicine and technology is in the end. Human society has moved on from the palaeolithic.

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Message 503633 - Posted: 15 Jan 2007, 21:54:09 UTC - in response to Message 503594.  
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Some people might say that it's tinkering with the very fabric of nature?


Surely that is what medicine and technology is in the end.


Technology may give the human race the ability to do various things, whether on not that is a desirable way forward is debatable.

Human society has moved on from the palaeolithic.


Does not mean to say that the direction we have moved in is necessarily the right one.

Given the choices mankind has taken, well maybe the question is already answered, and sometimes I hope not.
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Message 503696 - Posted: 15 Jan 2007, 23:10:41 UTC - in response to Message 503563.  

Anti-cancer chicken eggs produced
UK scientists have developed genetically modified chickens capable of laying eggs containing proteins needed to make cancer-fighting drugs.


What do people reckon, a good or a bad idea?

It's a good idea, to develop what is needed. These particular chickens are probably better treated than most. The bad idea is what we are doing to the "most".


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Message 503713 - Posted: 15 Jan 2007, 23:26:48 UTC - in response to Message 503696.  

Anti-cancer chicken eggs produced
UK scientists have developed genetically modified chickens capable of laying eggs containing proteins needed to make cancer-fighting drugs.


What do people reckon, a good or a bad idea?

It's a good idea, to develop what is needed. These particular chickens are probably better treated than most. The bad idea is what we are doing to the "most".

Eating them of course, what else would you do with a chicken?
They seem to be pretty useless as watchdogs, the foxes tend to take them all the time! But then they eat them too.
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Message 503915 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 5:28:40 UTC

Freaks me out a little. The Genetically modified wheat that Monsanto Corp. developed and cultivated is spreading into other farmers fields and choking out natural strains. Monster Wheat!!
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Message 504023 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 12:48:10 UTC - in response to Message 503915.  

Freaks me out a little. The Genetically modified wheat that Monsanto Corp. developed and cultivated is spreading into other farmers fields and choking out natural strains. Monster Wheat!!

Corn is already Genetically Modified! You have been eating Fritos Brand products and almost ALL corn products come from Geneticaly Modified corn. If it was not modified there would be no corn for us today. Disease was wiping it out.
I am not say wheat is the same, but Genetically Modified wheat can be grown for MUCH higher yields than non modified wheat on the same section of ground.
Less land equals the same amount of product. Good for farmers, good for future homeowners.

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Message 504027 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 12:59:02 UTC - in response to Message 503713.  

Anti-cancer chicken eggs produced
UK scientists have developed genetically modified chickens capable of laying eggs containing proteins needed to make cancer-fighting drugs.


What do people reckon, a good or a bad idea?

It's a good idea, to develop what is needed. These particular chickens are probably better treated than most. The bad idea is what we are doing to the "most".

Eating them of course, what else would you do with a chicken?
They seem to be pretty useless as watchdogs, the foxes tend to take them all the time! But then they eat them too.

Yes you are right mikey, but I was thinking about the conditions that battery hens were kept in. But as far as I am concerned, so long as they aren't tortured or made to sing karaoke then I remain a fan of KFC. Love it with coleslaw.


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Message 504029 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 13:04:13 UTC - in response to Message 504027.  

Anti-cancer chicken eggs produced
UK scientists have developed genetically modified chickens capable of laying eggs containing proteins needed to make cancer-fighting drugs.


What do people reckon, a good or a bad idea?

It's a good idea, to develop what is needed. These particular chickens are probably better treated than most. The bad idea is what we are doing to the "most".

Eating them of course, what else would you do with a chicken?
They seem to be pretty useless as watchdogs, the foxes tend to take them all the time! But then they eat them too.

Yes you are right mikey, but I was thinking about the conditions that battery hens were kept in. But as far as I am concerned, so long as they aren't tortured or made to sing karaoke then I remain a fan of KFC. Love it with coleslaw.

Yes I agree, most chickens today can go from egg to full maturity to the grocery store in 4 weeks! Yes 4 weeks from little peeper getting his bill trimmed to a full fledged oven stuffer roaster, or whatever, on the store shelf in 4 weeks!
Just AMAZING!!! Those little things can EAT!!!!
And yes I love KFC chickens and coleslaw too! I like to get a bucket for dinner for the family and eat the leftovers cold the next day.
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Message 504037 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 13:25:35 UTC - in response to Message 504029.  

And yes I love KFC chickens and coleslaw too! I like to get a bucket for dinner for the family and eat the leftovers cold the next day.


You know thechicken nuggets are reconstituted mechanically removed meat, or "ground down beaks and feet". Nothing is wasted!
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Message 504054 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 14:06:12 UTC - in response to Message 504037.  

And yes I love KFC chickens and coleslaw too! I like to get a bucket for dinner for the family and eat the leftovers cold the next day.


You know thechicken nuggets are reconstituted mechanically removed meat, or "ground down beaks and feet". Nothing is wasted!

Actually the feet are sold seperately, but yes it is very similar to hotdogs, scrapple and a ton of other of these kinds of foods.
That is how the phrase "parts is parts" came about. I use the phrase when telling newbies how I build basic computers.

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Message 504113 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 15:59:09 UTC - in response to Message 504054.  

And yes I love KFC chickens and coleslaw too! I like to get a bucket for dinner for the family and eat the leftovers cold the next day.


You know thechicken nuggets are reconstituted mechanically removed meat, or "ground down beaks and feet". Nothing is wasted!

Actually the feet are sold seperately, but yes it is very similar to hotdogs, scrapple and a ton of other of these kinds of foods.
That is how the phrase "parts is parts" came about. I use the phrase when telling newbies how I build basic computers.

Extra crispy or original receipe...?
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Message 504213 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 21:15:24 UTC - in response to Message 504113.  

And yes I love KFC chickens and coleslaw too! I like to get a bucket for dinner for the family and eat the leftovers cold the next day.


You know thechicken nuggets are reconstituted mechanically removed meat, or "ground down beaks and feet". Nothing is wasted!

Actually the feet are sold seperately, but yes it is very similar to hotdogs, scrapple and a ton of other of these kinds of foods.
That is how the phrase "parts is parts" came about. I use the phrase when telling newbies how I build basic computers.

Extra crispy or original receipe...?

Original of course!

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Message 504448 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 8:23:25 UTC

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Here's the thing, not all crops are modified in the same way. Some are "fixed" for high yield as you pointed out, but others are engineered to produce pesticides and herbicides. That's where the problem lies. Tests show blood, kidney and liver damage in rats. of course Monsanto (leader in the field and the fields) doesn't want you to know this. Check out this article and I'm sure you could google a whole lot more of the same.

[url=http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey7.htm]

hope the link works, i've been having issues!! lol
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Message 504462 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 10:04:14 UTC - in response to Message 504448.  
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@ Mikey

Here's the thing, not all crops are modified in the same way. Some are "fixed" for high yield as you pointed out, but others are engineered to produce pesticides and herbicides. That's where the problem lies. Tests show blood, kidney and liver damage in rats. of course Monsanto (leader in the field and the fields) doesn't want you to know this. Check out this article and I'm sure you could google a whole lot more of the same.

newswithviews.com

hope the link works, i've been having issues!! lol

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Message 504488 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 12:31:50 UTC

Sooner or later, we'll have some kind of "Consumer's Report" website(s) to report on which brands are healthy or low risk.

In the meantime, on meat in general, I think I'll go back to the habit of taking a drive out to the country to get my meat from a small farm butcher. If you get a freezer and are prepared to buy, say, a hind of beef or deer, you'll find large savings and good taste. The meat's fresh, for one thing. I've never looked into buying poultry that way, but I'm sure it's possible.
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Message 504661 - Posted: 17 Jan 2007, 23:44:35 UTC - in response to Message 504488.  

Sooner or later, we'll have some kind of "Consumer's Report" website(s) to report on which brands are healthy or low risk.

In the meantime, on meat in general, I think I'll go back to the habit of taking a drive out to the country to get my meat from a small farm butcher. If you get a freezer and are prepared to buy, say, a hind of beef or deer, you'll find large savings and good taste. The meat's fresh, for one thing. I've never looked into buying poultry that way, but I'm sure it's possible.

It is in the US, but there are things you do not about those places too!!!
For instance cows have to be able to 'walk' in, walking on 3 feet is acceptable! Why is that significant, because there is no reason given as to why 3 feet and not 4 feet, nor is it recorded in any way!
Go out kill a cow or deer or whatever and do it yourself is the only safe way. BUT WAIT that won't work because we have no idea what that animal ate during its lifetime. FISH have come up with high levels of Mercury and all they do is swim and eat. Animals eat what is on the ground or growing out of it. That can lead to contamination too! We are just out of luck unless we raise the animal ourself and then slaughter and eat it. BUT WAIT where did the animal get the food it ate? We are just out of luck and must trust others!!!

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Message 505409 - Posted: 19 Jan 2007, 10:35:06 UTC

Good idea to advance cancer research.

REALLY BAD IDEA TO RELEASE THIS INTO THE FOOD SUPPLY!



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Message 505417 - Posted: 19 Jan 2007, 11:09:59 UTC - in response to Message 504448.  

@ Mikey

Here's the thing, not all crops are modified in the same way. Some are "fixed" for high yield as you pointed out, but others are engineered to produce pesticides and herbicides. That's where the problem lies. Tests show blood, kidney and liver damage in rats. of course Monsanto (leader in the field and the fields) doesn't want you to know this. Check out this article and I'm sure you could google a whole lot more of the same.

[url=http://www.newswithviews.com/Smith/jeffrey7.htm]

hope the link works, i've been having issues!! lol


Don't forget that Monsanto has had these GMO crops in fields right next to non GMO crops...I've got news for the world pollination doesn't just happen in the field where the GMO corn is grown. Wind carries it to other fields and insects are the most prolific pollinators of them all.

Basic biology/ecology here... cross pollination is very real and it will happen in the fields where they raise corn or other grains for the seed as well. Once that happens to a great enough degree it is likely that it will be in every level of the food supply and every product that contains that particular grain. Eventually it will be hard to find anything that isn't GMO.

Now the really scary thought is this. What happens when we start mixing multiple GMO crops and they start to cross pollinate...what then will we have? Remember that for every Xx and Yy pair of chromosomes that you cross pollinate you will have 8 possible variations in the genetic code. Now compound that with the number of chromosome pairs that each organism has and the number that is genetically modified and compound it again over time with GMO's being introduced and their cross pollinated offspring being reintroduced in with other GMO's or other crops that are non GMO and it gets exponentially complex. It's a bit like Pandora's box in that once it's out there you can't just call it back or undo the damage.

It is very very likely that we will see genetic mutations that they did not anticipate. While these proteins that we speak of may be harnessed for the greater good they can also sow destruction on a level not easily imagined.

Hypothetically speaking...What would happen if one day we realized that the mystery illness of the future that seems to be striking people is really as a result of the food that we have always deemed as safe but suddenly is deadly poisonous to humans. Some may see this as me playing chicken little but in reality this is what we are looking at and no single person can possibly know what the release of these GMO's will really do, or the damage that they may cause.

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