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From the Desk of:
Steve Elliott, President
Grassfire.org


1/10/2007

Tim,

Ron De Jong (our Communications Director) and I are on
Capitol Hill today for a major press conference with
members of Congress calling on the President to pardon
Agents Ramos and Compean.

I will be presenting over 220,000 petitions to Rep.
Ted Poe of Texas. Congressmen Tancredo, Jones, Rohrabacher
and others are expected to attend. Then, we will be
delivering petitions to key members of Congress.

Please go here for audio updates that we will be filing
throughout the day from Capitol Hill. You can also send your
comments directly to me while we are in Washington, D.C.
Go here:

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Also, if you have not yet scheduled your faxes, please do
so right now. The mainstream media is ignoring the plight
of these agents:

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We must turn up the heat. If these agents go to jail, it
will further cripple our ability to secure our borders
(perhaps you heard the report last week that our National
Guard was in full retreat at the hands of armed illegals
in Arizona!).

Thanks so much for standing with Grassfire!



Steve Elliott, President
Grassfire.org Alliance

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OK, that's some right-wing extremist blogers, but can you please explain to me why this:

Ramos and Compean were convicted of
* attempting to club the guy in the face with a shotgun, while he was trying to surrender
* shooting a fleeing suspect in the back
* tampering with a crime scene
* neglecting to report the incident

should go unpunished?

OK, that's some right-wing extremist blogers, but can you please explain to me why this:

Ramos and Compean were convicted of
* attempting to club the guy in the face with a shotgun, while he was trying to surrender
* shooting a fleeing suspect in the back
* tampering with a crime scene
* neglecting to report the incident

should go unpunished?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aYOVZOAS6C4

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OK, that's some right-wing extremist blogers, but can you please explain to me why this:

Ramos and Compean were convicted of
* attempting to club the guy in the face with a shotgun, while he was trying to surrender
* shooting a fleeing suspect in the back
* tampering with a crime scene
* neglecting to report the incident

should go unpunished?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aYOVZOAS6C4

OK, this was some only moderate conservative, but still no answer to my question.
They didn't acted as they should, they broke the law, why should they go unpunished?
The drug dealer imho didn't deserve total immunity, but that's a different case.

OK, that's some right-wing extremist blogers, but can you please explain to me why this:

Ramos and Compean were convicted of
* attempting to club the guy in the face with a shotgun, while he was trying to surrender
* shooting a fleeing suspect in the back
* tampering with a crime scene
* neglecting to report the incident

should go unpunished?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aYOVZOAS6C4

OK, this was some only moderate conservative, but still no answer to my question.
They didn't acted as they should, they broke the law, why should they go unpunished?
The drug dealer imho didn't deserve total immunity, but that's a different case.

No it was the Same case,He was smuggling Drugs, he got caught, He got shot in the butt, He got immunity and then lied his way to freedom, Only to get caught doing it again. Now he is suing the US for 5 million, They should have aimed Higher and none of this would be a discussion today.

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They should have aimed Higher and none of this would be a discussion today.

Probably. Because in that case they would have got away with their murder: no witness, usual esprit de corps, nobody would have noticed it.

They should have aimed Higher and none of this would be a discussion today.

Probably. Because in that case they would have got away with their murder: no witness, usual esprit de corps, nobody would have noticed it.

I dont understand your statement...
esprit de corps
Morale
A common spirit of comradeship, enthusiasm, and devotion to a cause among the members of a group.

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They should have aimed Higher and none of this would be a discussion today.

Probably. Because in that case they would have got away with their murder: no witness, usual esprit de corps, nobody would have noticed it.

I dont understand your statement...
esprit de corps
Morale
A common spirit of comradeship, enthusiasm, and devotion to a cause among the members of a group.

esprit de corps:
lie for your comrade
don't say anything against your unit
we are the good ones, we don't need those sissy laws

the worst examples of this disease are MyLay, Haditha, SS-troops, the Rodney King thugs...

Ex-border agents begin serving time for shooting

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me@rescam.org

Mexican Gov't Blasts Killing of Migrant


From the Desk of:
Steve Elliott, President
Grassfire.org


1/18/2007

Tim,

Last night while expressing outrage over the Ramos/Compean
case on KABC's Al Rantel Show, I was thrown a bit of a curveball.
Leading into a break, Al told me he wanted to discuss another
breaking story that was equally outrageous.

Not sure where he was going, I jumped on the Internet and
began a furious search. What I found made my blood boil.

Tim, on Tuesday, the Mexican government sent a diplomatic
note to the United States protesting the fatal shooting of a
Mexican immigrant by a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

Click here to read the story:

Mexican Gov't Blasts Killing of Migrant
In the tragic wake of the Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos saga,
this latest story is now the standard on our border. Right is
wrong, down is up and chaos rules supreme!

The fact that Mexico has the audacity to reprimand our government,
and our government suggests the possibility of a civil rights
investigation is beyond absurd!

Tim, our nation has become a laughingstock.

Perhaps we ought to seriously consider changing the inscription
on the Statue of Liberty to "bring us your drug cartels, human
traffickers, drug pushers and violent gangs!"

Is this what we have become?

I believe the answer in all this madness is found at the grassroots
level--people like you and I fighting for what is right.

That is why I am urging EVERY member of our Grassfire team who has
already signed our "Pardon the Agents" petition to add their name
to our "Secure the Border" petition by clicking here:

http://www.grassfire.org/42/petition.asp?rid=12086235

Then after adding your name, alert your friends to the madness that
has become our borders! BUT WAIT. It is no longer good enough
just to send the message. Please follow it up, talk about the
madness with your friends, and let them know the importance of
signing our petition and having a REAL voice in this issue!

Thank you for taking action with me!

Steve Elliott
President
Grassfire.org Alliance

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From the Desk of:
Steve Elliott, President
Grassfire.org


1/18/2007

James,

Last night while expressing outrage over the Ramos/Compean
case on KABC's Al Rantel Show, I was thrown a bit of a curveball.
Leading into a break, Al told me he wanted to discuss another
breaking story that was equally outrageous.

Not sure where he was going, I jumped on the Internet and
began a furious search. What I found made my blood boil.

James, on Tuesday, the Mexican government sent a diplomatic
note to the United States protesting the fatal shooting of a
Mexican immigrant by a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

Click here to read the story:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6350968,00.html

In the tragic wake of the Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos saga,
this latest story is now the standard on our border. Right is
wrong, down is up and chaos rules supreme!

The fact that Mexico has the audacity to reprimand our government,
and our government suggests the possibility of a civil rights
investigation is beyond absurd!

James, our nation has become a laughingstock.

Perhaps we ought to seriously consider changing the inscription
on the Statue of Liberty to "bring us your drug cartels, human
traffickers, drug pushers and violent gangs!"

Is this what we have become?

I believe the answer in all this madness is found at the grassroots
level--people like you and I fighting for what is right.

That is why I am urging EVERY member of our Grassfire team who has
already signed our "Pardon the Agents" petition to add their name
to our "Secure the Border" petition by clicking here:

http://www.grassfire.org/42/petition.asp?rid=12159074

Then after adding your name, alert your friends to the madness that
has become our borders! BUT WAIT. It is no longer good enough
just to send the message. Please follow it up, talk about the
madness with your friends, and let them know the importance of
signing our petition and having a REAL voice in this issue!

Thank you for taking action with me!

Steve Elliott
President
Grassfire.org Alliance

P.S: Please forward this message to ALL your friends and family.
Urge them to sign our petition and call the White House, today!

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http://www.grassfire.org/42/petition.asp?rid=12159074

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http://grassfire.org/NewsReleases/20070117-229.htm


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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)

Check out the U.S. Supreme Court ruling: Garner v. Tennessee.

Check mate.

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Account frozen...

President Bush Would Consider Pardoning Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Drug Runner

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Account frozen...

Ex-Border Agent Said Beaten in Prison

If there isn't a pardon in the works the sentence should be commuted asap.

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me@rescam.org

Asking to pardon the unpardonable

RUBEN NAVARRETTE JR.
THE UNION-TRIBUNE

February 7, 2007

For an agent of the Mexican government, Johnny Sutton speaks pretty good English.

That's the title that anti-immigrant zealots hung on the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Texas after prosecutors in his office convicted ex-Border Patrol agents Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos of shooting 15 times at an unarmed suspect who was running away. Sentenced to 12 years and 11 years in prison, respectively, the former agents are now behind bars.

Because the defendants were once Border Patrol agents, and because the convictions relied on testimony from the victim – a Mexican drug smuggler who got immunity – the prosecutors have become absolutely toxic in the minds of those who think an invasion is under way and that Border Patrol agents are the sentries against the tide.

Hence the accusation by some that Sutton – along with his bosses, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and President Bush – has become an agent of the Mexican government.

“We just evaluate the facts,” Sutton told me last week. “We don't get to choose the facts. We don't get to choose the witnesses. We just have to decide whether a crime was committed and whether it's appropriate that it be prosecuted.”

According to the evidence presented at the trial, including the agents' testimony and their statements after the incident, here are the facts: On Feb. 17, 2005, at about 1 p.m., Compean and Ramos were on duty along the U.S.-Mexico border when they observed a suspicious vehicle – a van that turned out to be loaded with more than 700 pounds of marijuana. The driver – later identified as Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila – jumped out of the vehicle and tried to run back into Mexico. Ramos and Compean both testified that they made a point of looking at the suspect's hands and saw no weapon. Compean fired at least 14 rounds and Ramos fired once. Ramos wounded the suspect and saw him limp into Mexico. The agents then collected the shell casings and filed false reports, trying to cover up the incident.

The case has become a cause célébre for radio talk-show hosts, anti-immigrant groups, congressional Republicans, Minuteman vigilantes and cable television talkers with a knack for turning ranting into ratings.

The convictions have also been sucked into the wind tunnel of the immigration debate and turned GOP hard-liners into bleeding hearts. Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, wrote a resolution demanding that President Bush pardon Compean and Ramos. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Huntington Beach, has called Bush a “disgrace” and someone who is “on the side of our enemies.” And Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Carlsbad – who used to be a lobbyist for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a nativist organization that wants to limit even legal immigration – quipped that, since Bush wants amnesty for 12 million illegal immigrants, he should simply add two more names to the list.

So basically, Bilbray lumped together former Border Patrol agents with illegal immigrants. And what would the two have in common? Only Spanish surnames. Apparently, you can take the congressman out of the nativist group, but you can't take the nativism out of the congressman.

I asked Sutton about the insistence by some that this case illustrates the contempt the Bush administration has for border security and the Border Patrol.

“I don't take it too seriously,” he said. “I'm a federal prosecutor in charge of prosecuting drugs and immigration for 660 miles of Mexican-Texas border. I'm in the business of locking up illegal aliens who come across and drug smugglers who come across, and so I work with Border Patrol day in and day out.”

Sutton said he personally has a lot of respect for the Border Patrol and its awesome responsibilities.

“They do have a very, very hard job,” he said. “And 99.9 percent of them are out there doing it right, abiding by the rules . . . in these very stressful situations, and they're doing just fine. But when you're in those kinds of high-stress situations, you can make big mistakes.”

By all accounts, these two agents made big mistakes. The same goes for those who are now shamelessly using this sad case to advance their own agendas.

“It's just so rare that you have a situation like this,” Sutton said. “But (Border Patrol agents) are human beings and sometimes just like anyone else they're going to step over the line and, if they commit crimes, just like everybody else, they're not above the law.”

President Bush has said that he will examine the case and determine if a pardon is warranted. It isn't.

Update:

Homeland Security, Richard Skinner lied about the actions of the boarder patrol agents.

News Update

"According to Culberson, "(DHS Inspector General) Richard Skinner admitted yesterday under oath that his top deputies gave members of Congress false information painting Border Patrol agents as rogue cops who were not in fear for their lives and who were 'out to shoot Mexicans."
Government lied to Congress to bolster its case

Basically, the government has admitted that its officials lied to Congress in an effort to bolster its case in the public against agents Ramos and Compean. These charges have caused many to question the validity of the agents' claims that they are innocent and acted in response to an imminent threat from an illegal alien drug runner. "




IMO - Richard Skinner needs to be tossed out of the country, sent to work in the bean fields in Mexico.

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Update:
Homeland Security, Richard Skinner lied about the actions of the boarder patrol agents.
News Update
"According to Culberson, "(DHS Inspector General) Richard Skinner admitted yesterday under oath that his top deputies gave members of Congress false information painting Border Patrol agents as rogue cops who were not in fear for their lives and who were 'out to shoot Mexicans."
Government lied to Congress to bolster its case
Basically, the government has admitted that its officials lied to Congress in an effort to bolster its case in the public against agents Ramos and Compean. These charges have caused many to question the validity of the agents' claims that they are innocent and acted in response to an imminent threat from an illegal alien drug runner. "

IMO - Richard Skinner needs to be tossed out of the country, sent to work in the bean fields in Mexico.

I agree. I have always been of the opinion that those in positions of public trust should receive at least double the penalty when found to have violated that trust. Skinner has admitted, publically, to at least two felony counts, purjury and false testimony. They should throw him in a cell and throw away the cell.

On the Glen Beck show the other night a lady that went to see one the Agents said he had been assaulted in Prison, the Warden said they did not have enough Guards to protect the Agents. The Agents were being moved to Solitary for their own protection.

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On the Glen Beck show the other night a lady that went to see one the Agents said he had been assaulted in Prison, the Warden said they did not have enough Guards to protect the Agents. The Agents were being moved to Solitary for their own protection.

They probably don't have enough guards to properly run the prison. Only now it's been made public, and the right-wingers don't like it, as some of there pets is on the recieving end, not only those, who in their twisted minds don't deserve better.

The much I don't like this in regard of these special persons (although there should be no difference between prisoner and prisoner in regard of treatment), the much I do like it that this truth comes to the conciesness of the right wing hate mongers.

They probably don't have enough guards to properly run the prison. Only now it's been made public, and the right-wingers don't like it, as some of there pets is on the recieving end, not only those, who in their twisted minds don't deserve better.

The much I don't like this in regard of these special persons (although there should be no difference between prisoner and prisoner in regard of treatment), the much I do like it that this truth comes to the conciesness of the right wing hate mongers.

Are you even capable of posting anything except irrational, biased, unthinking, partisan rhetoric?

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Cordially,
Rush

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