Wait a minute. Isn't turning tap water into Holy Water magic ? Walking on water ?

...or bread and wine into flesh and blood.

I'll need to check that one out with our resident Voodoo queen.

Be nice ! Thats the FIRST time I ever corrected a moderator. Oops, sorry

No problemo...being a mod doesn't mean we can't express our own individual opinions.

I'll bet it's difficult to keep the explosions to a minimum since everybody's religion is "The One True Religion". Except everybody elses

I don't have that issue...I'm a non-believer.

How can that be ? Many very religious people have explained the logic of religion to you. Surely you cant see any flaws in their logic..... I will pray for you...

...I'd prefer cash donations.

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Wait a minute. Isn't turning tap water into Holy Water magic ? Walking on water ?

...or bread and wine into flesh and blood.

I'll need to check that one out with our resident Voodoo queen.

Be nice ! Thats the FIRST time I ever corrected a moderator. Oops, sorry

No problemo...being a mod doesn't mean we can't express our own individual opinions.

I'll bet it's difficult to keep the explosions to a minimum since everybody's religion is "The One True Religion". Except everybody elses

I don't have that issue...I'm a non-believer.

How can that be ? Many very religious people have explained the logic of religion to you. Surely you cant see any flaws in their logic..... I will pray for you...

...I'd prefer cash donations.

Speaking of cash ! I have PROOF that god loves his people ! Paul Crouch is my neighbor. Wanna Google Earth his house ? God loves him much more than he loves us. We suck

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Wait a minute. Isn't turning tap water into Holy Water magic ? Walking on water ?

...or bread and wine into flesh and blood.

I'll need to check that one out with our resident Voodoo queen.

Transubstantiation, changing the substance of the bread and wine (or water, depending on your denomination) into the body and blood of Christ is speaking of a deeply symbolic change, not a magical transformation. Look up transubstantiation in Wikipedia for a very good discussion on the subject.

In the Roman Catholic tradition, Holy Water is water which has been blessed (infused with holiness) and set apart for baptism. The small vessels (stoups) in the front of the Roman Catholic and other churches are there for worshipers to use as a reminder of the covenants they made with God when they were baptised. You can't distinguish Holy Water from any other water and, once again, the act is highly symbolic of the intent for which the water is to be used. Sorry, no magic there either.

And the walking on water thing? If you read the scripture closely you will find that this was an act of faith. Because Christ believed that he could walk on the water with absolute conviction, he was able to do so. I believe that anyone could do this if they could only have that perfect conviction. Not that I have that kind of faith, would that it were so. But it was the old "mind over matter" bromide made real. No spells, no special apparatus, no chanting, no magic.

Well - since having faith seems to be enough for a human to heal a sick body, to even let viral diseases vanish in (literally) no time, why should a person with the powers and faith of Christ not be able to make walking on water work? Even Peter could do that, until - until he thought that it couldn't be possible to be standing and walking on the waves. Then, he sank in like all others do.

I think if we were more conscious of the abilities and nonabilities of our own bodies (even down to atomar level) we could make thinks possible which ARE really magic nowadays.
Each technology/ technique if only ununderstandable IS magic - as long as it is ununderstandble


Arthur C. Clarke formulated the following three "laws" of prediction:

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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...for target practice or do you need auditing?

Well, I did read his sci fi book. And my soul is apparently up for grabs. Just looking for options....

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Well, I did read his sci fi book. And my soul is apparently up for grabs. Just looking for options....

...have you considered worshiping idols?

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...I'd prefer cash donations.

Speaking of cash ! I have PROOF that god loves his people ! Paul Crouch is my neighbor. Wanna Google Earth his house ? God loves him much more than he loves us. We suck

Actually it just means he can talk better than we can. He can convince people of something that with their own eyes they know better, but yet they still believe him. So when he says send money, they do. Jim and Tammy Faye Baker had that same quality. They had the same kind of huge home and even had gold faucets, not gold plated, GOLD! Of course the ol' PTL came crashing down one day and both are now trying to get by on whatever scam they can.

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Well, I did read his sci fi book. And my soul is apparently up for grabs. Just looking for options....

...have you considered worshiping idols?

In the 3rd grade I got kicked out of class when they said pagans worshipped idols and I asked why we were praying to a statue of Mary

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they said pagans worshipped idols and I asked why we were praying to a statue of Mary

The blind leading the blind... ;)

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We need a Scientologist on this site

...for target practice or do you need auditing?

Well, I did read his sci fi book. And my soul is apparently up for grabs. Just looking for options....

...have you considered worshiping idols?

In the 3rd grade I got kicked out of class when they said pagans worshipped idols and I asked why we were praying to a statue of Mary

They also told me that they were not praying to the statue (idol/fetish whatever you wanta call it), but to the person it represents. Well, boys and girls, that is exactly what pagans do.
The Orthodox churchs are really into that stuff.

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they said pagans worshipped idols and I asked why we were praying to a statue of Mary

The blind leading the blind... ;)

Our Islamic Later Day Saints Pentacostalist has weighed in on the subject.

"Show me that you're no fool, walk across my swimming pool..." Jesus Christ Superstar...words of Herod.

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"Show me that you're no fool, walk across my swimming pool..."

Matthew 4:7

Jesus said to him, "Again it is written, `You shall not tempt the Lord your God.'"

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"Show me that you're no fool, walk across my swimming pool..."

Matthew 4:7

Jesus said to him, "Again it is written, `You shall not tempt the Lord your God.'"

ROTFLMFAO watching Jeffery hit the bottom of the deep end.

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If he "believes" he could do it. But his last line in his bio, I would pay money to see him explain his ideas about rank to a Marine Corps drill instructor in boot camp. They are so understanding...

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I would pay money to see him explain his ideas about rank to a Marine Corps drill instructor in boot camp. They are so understanding...

A prime example that 'rank' doesn't come from God... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

I would pay money to see him explain his ideas about rank to a Marine Corps drill instructor in boot camp. They are so understanding...

A prime example that 'rank' doesn't come from God...

Jeffery, God is no respector of persons, but we all live on the earth. You must give respect where it is due, hence the comment by Jesus, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's..."

We need a Scientologist on this site

...for target practice or do you need auditing?

Well, I did read his sci fi book. And my soul is apparently up for grabs. Just looking for options....

...have you considered worshiping idols?

In the 3rd grade I got kicked out of class when they said pagans worshipped idols and I asked why we were praying to a statue of Mary

Ha ha ha..my 6 year old son asked me the other day why they kept the Bible in the non-fiction part of the library. He's planning to put his teacher right when he goes back to school next week.

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Jeffery, God is no respector of persons, but we all live on the earth.

I am instructed to 'patiently endure' the wicked, not 'respect' them...

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's..."

Jesus was referring to the things of this world, aka money... He didn't respect the leaders of his day, he made a mockery of them... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Jesus was referring to the things of this world, aka money... ;)

darn...I so misread the last word you wrote there. I was intrigued for a moment.

...aka monkey



Monkey, the title character, "born from an egg on a mountain top", was a brash king of a monkey tribe. He achieved 'enlightenment' and proclaimed himself 'Great Sage, Equal of Heaven'. After demanding the "gift" of a magical staff from a powerful Dragon lord, Monkey is approached by Heaven to join their host in the lowly position of 'Keeper of the Peaches of Immortality'. Monkey being greedy eats them all, becoming immortal and running amok. Having earned the ire of Heaven and being bested in a challenge by Buddha, Monkey is imprisoned under a mountain in order to learn humility.

Eventually Monkey is released by the priest Tripitaka in 630 AD, who has been tasked by the Boddhisatva Guan Yin to undertake a pilgrimage to India to fetch holy scriptures. The pair soon recruits two former members of the heavenly host who were cast out as a result of Monkey's transgressions: Sandy, the water monster and ex-cannibal, expelled from heaven after his interference caused a precious jade cup to be broken, and Pigsy, a pig monster consumed with lust and gluttony, who was expelled from heaven after harassing star princess Vega for a kiss. A dragon, Wu Lung, eats Tripitaka's horse but upon discovering the horse was carrying Tripitaka, assumes the shape of a horse to carry him on his journey; later in the story he occasionally assumes human form to assist his new master.

While the pilgrims never reach India during the course of the series, they face many perils and antagonists both human and supernatural. Monkey, Sandy, and Pigsy are often called upon to battle demons, monsters and bandits, despite Tripitaka's constant call for peace. Many episodes also feature some moral lesson, usually based upon Buddhist and/or Taoist philosophies.

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