I realy feel sorry for muslim people who strap a bomb to themselves in the hope of marterdom.
I truly feel they are brain washed people who do not realise
that the clerics and hate mongers who are doing all the instigating never seem to hate enough to strap a bomb to them selves
if tony blair said to me to strap a bomb and go out
and kill some muslims i would be saying - after you tony

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Tell me again how many brainwashed kids we have dying in Iraq?

Hail to the chief! Onward 'christian' soldiers... ;)

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Tell me again how many brainwashed kids we have dying in Iraq?

Hail to the chief! Onward 'christian' soldiers... ;)

Yes Jeffery I am not anti muslim or any other religeon,
there has been plenty of attrocities done under the name of catholism in the past,

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Tell me again how many brainwashed kids we have dying in Iraq?

Hail to the chief! Onward 'christian' soldiers... ;)

Jeffrey we have "kids dying in Iraq" so you and I can sit here nice and comfy like and type mumbo jumbo to each other real peacefull like. Do you really think that would be the same if the Muslims took over the US? What you say, that can't happen? Who do you think would be on the front lines protecting our sorry asses? Those same "kids" that are now dying in Iraq! Jeffrey this World is a very scary place. The prospects got a little worse the other day when North Korea supposedly joined the Nuke family. You do realize that that dipstick has missles that can reach the US comfortably? Suppose he decided to hire some mercenary and put one of the nukes in one of those missles and heqded it our way? He only to send one!!!! We of couse would send a few hundred back his way, but that would be the end of freedom as we know it. It would take our missles about 20 minutes or so to reach North Korea. During that time they would have plenty of time to send all of whatever they have left towards the US and South Korea and Japan and whoever else they could think of. Knowing all the while that life as they know it ends in 20 minutes. They could care less about our mumbo jumbo, they are going to die!
You can complain all you like about the "kids dying in Iraq", but if those people came over here that got the whole World fired up last year over a few cartoons and the recent mess about what the Pope said, you and I would either be fighting or dead!!! And your Christian ideals are not worth a tinkers damn to someone that thinks your ideals are akin to the Devil! And that is what they think.
No Jeffrey I do not like the idea of "kids dying in Iraq"!!!! But I do like the idea that for the less than 3000 US Soldiers that have died, several thousand of the other side has. Right now the other side can not seem to mount enough of an offensive to take the upper hand. When/if they do, you and I better be down at the local gun store or we will be among the dead! And even then, ALOT of people will die!!!

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Tell me again how many brainwashed kids we have dying in Iraq?

None. The stupid army grunt of times past, simple cannon fodder, has vanished forever. There are many who are uneducated when they join the armed services, but even more who are reasonably well educated, and all receive the education they need to safely operate their weapons. Some of the weapon systems training programs are accounted, post service, as sufficient to earn a university BS degree. Today's weapon systems, beyond the personal arms most every soldier carries, cannot be safely operated by stupid people.

And never assume that people who volunteer to protect you are brainwashed, misled or misinformed. Most have thought long and hard about why they are volunteering to go into harms way. And no one who volunteered to enlist or receive a commission since the first Gulf War, more than 15 years ago, has had any illusions about joining the armed services as a safe, cushy sinecure.

And Jeffery, please do not, ever, mistake forbearance for weakness or tolerance for acceptance. The vast majority of Americans will forbear to respond to un-American or even near treasonous utterances (and even actions), but do not mistake this for an inability to respond more strongly. The lack of response is firmly rooted in a conviction that personal freedom is sacred.

Similarly, in the US the vast majority of people tolerate differences of opinion in religion, political outlook, etc. This is one of the core American behaviors and is codified in our Constitution. That tolerance does not, however, indicate that this vast majority in any way agrees with you, your opinions or your desires.

My son now serves in the United States Army because he believes that it is his responsibility to join in the protection of the United States as a means of earning the rights and privileges that a US citizen receives. He does not belittle or look down on those who choose not to serve, he is simply doing what he has reasoned to be the proper course of his life. He makes me proud.

I can state with 100% certainty that he does not agree with almost all of your assumptions and attitudes toward America, Jeffery. I can also state with 100% certainty that he would, in an emergency, put his life in peril to protect you, should that become necessary.

So Jeffery, not being as forbearing or tolerant as my son, I will give you my opinion straight out: If you dislike it here in America so very much, emigrate elsewhere. Find a place that more closely agrees with your assumptions and attitudes and go there. I just want you to be happy, you understand.

Treasonous? Oh that's right, we have no rights anymore thanks to the PATRIOT Act...

They think we're the devil? Well, have you ever stopped and listened to yourselves...

We have an all volunteer military? With no other jobs available, where's the choice...

How are things going in the White House? From what I hear, not so good...

How are the recruiters doing at meeting their quota? Again, not so good...

Muslims taking over the US? My God, what are you smoking...

The majority of Americans? Have you seen the polls lately...

Firing nukes at us? Hey, wake up, they didn't have any...


I don't dislike America, I dislike the fools and warmongers who have somehow bullied their way to the helm and have sailed us down a course of chaos and confusion...

God help us all... ;)

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Treasonous? Oh that's right, we have no rights anymore thanks to the PATRIOT Act...
They think we're the devil? Well, have you ever stopped and listened to yourselves...
We have an all volunteer military? With no other jobs available, where's the choice...
How are things going in the White House? From what I hear, not so good...
How are the recruiters doing at meeting their quota? Again, not so good...
Muslims taking over the US? My God, what are you smoking...
The majority of Americans? Have you seen the polls lately...
Firing nukes at us? Hey, wake up, they didn't have any...
I don't dislike America, I dislike the fools and warmongers who have somehow bullied their way to the helm and have sailed us down a course of chaos and confusion...
God help us all... ;)

Jeffery, you are answering statements I never made. Did I, perhaps, hit a nerve there son? I know it is difficult, but try to keep to the point.

I am sure that you have heard this before, but to have a disscussion you must respond to what is actually said.

But then again, I am probably just jealous because the voices are talking to you...

I am probably just jealous because the voices are talking to you...

That little voice has a name... It's called a 'conscience'... ;)

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I am probably just jealous because the voices are talking to you...

That little voice has a name... It's called a 'conscience'... ;)

As opposed to 'reason'?

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And no one who volunteered to enlist or receive a commission since the first Gulf War, more than 15 years ago, has had any illusions about joining the armed services as a safe, cushy sinecure.

Sweeping generalization. Please direct us to the census (not survey) that indicates this. Proof, please! :)

He does not belittle or look down on those who choose not to serve, he is simply doing what he has reasoned to be the proper course of ...

Good for him. There are plenty in the military that do judge others for not making the same choices they have.

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I am probably just jealous because the voices are talking to you...

That little voice has a name... It's called a 'conscience'... ;)

As opposed to 'reason'?

Don't forget 'sanity'

<Twitch...> Cleusseau!!! KILL HIM!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! <Chief Inspector Dreyfus voice. >

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And no one who volunteered to enlist or receive a commission since the first Gulf War, more than 15 years ago, has had any illusions about joining the armed services as a safe, cushy sinecure.

Sweeping generalization. Please direct us to the census (not survey) that indicates this. Proof, please! :)

Sarge, come on! Every sailor, soldier and marine in our armed services either volunteered to enlist or voluntarily received a commission. Every single one. No exceptions. There are no longer any serving that were drafted and decided to make a career out of the military.

The statement was not a sweeping generalization, it was the simple truth.

Even though you were kidding, there are enough people in our country and around the world who do not realize this that I answered as if you were asking seriously anyway.

If I destroy your house mr bill, will you 'volunteer' to move out?

THERE ARE NO JOBS... Taking the only job available is hardly volunteering... ;)

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If I destroy your house mr bill, will you 'volunteer' to move out?

THERE ARE NO JOBS... Taking the only job available is hardly volunteering... ;)

No jobs? With an unemployment rate of 4.6% (September 2006)? Where do you come up with your information? 5% is considered full employment.

Bureau of Labor and Statistics Employment Situation Summary

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Unemployment statistics only count the people who are collecting unemployment compensation, which only lasts about six months... Then, you are no longer considered unemployed by the government despite the fact that you are still unemployed...

Funny how a corrupt system can make evil doers appear to be so righteous... ;)

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Unemployment statistics only count the people who are collecting unemployment compensation, which only lasts about six months... Then, you are no longer considered unemployed by the government despite the fact that you are still unemployed...

Funny how a corrupt system can make evil doers appear to be so righteous... ;)

OK, then let's talk Employment Rate.

Excerpt from link in my previous post:

Total Employment and the Labor Force (Household Survey Data)

Total employment, at 144.9 million, was essentially unchanged in September.
Over the month, both the employment-population ratio (63.1 percent) and the
labor force participation rate (66.2 percent) held steady. Over the year, the
employment-population ratio was up slightly, and the labor force participation
rate was unchanged. (See table A-1.)

Persons Not in the Labor Force (Household Survey Data)

About 1.3 million persons (not seasonally adjusted) were marginally attached
to the labor force in September, down from 1.4 million a year earlier. These
individuals wanted and were available for work and had looked for a job sometime
in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed because they had
not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. Among the marginally
attached, there were 325,000 discouraged workers in September, about unchanged
from a year earlier. Discouraged workers were not currently looking for work
specifically because they believed no jobs were available for them. The other
975,000 marginally attached had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding
the survey for reasons such as school attendance or family responsibilities.
(See table A-13.)

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Unemployment statistics only count the people who are collecting unemployment compensation, which only lasts about six months... Then, you are no longer considered unemployed by the government despite the fact that you are still unemployed...

Funny how a corrupt system can make evil doers appear to be so righteous... ;)

Jeffery, if you have been laid off for that long and have not been hired on in a new position, you need help with your resume building and interview presentation skills. Help with those skills is available, and jobs are available, especially if you are willing to go where the work is. Don't limit yourself by insisting on remaining in the old familiar area.

Unemployment benefits do not and were never intended to replace your wages for longer that a short period. I have heard that the average is about one week per $10K of gross wages desired (assuming a skill set that is equal to the desired wages). My own experience agrees with that rule of thumb. So 6 months (26 weeks) is more than generous and using up those 6 months implies a certain lack of application in searching for employment.

If you want more preferential employment laws, I suggest that you emigrate to France, rather than blaming others for your own lack of application.

Funny how a corrupt system can make evil doers appear to be so righteous... ;)

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Funny how a corrupt system can make evil doers appear to be so righteous... ;)

Repeating mantras is no way to debate.

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Repeating mantras is no way to debate.

I don't debate... A battle of wits won't solve the problems... ;)

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