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Just something fun to start off with a mock dogfight between an A-10 and a P-51.

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I bet a really experienced pilot in the P-51 would give the A-10 pilot a run for his/her money.

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I bet a really experienced pilot in the P-51 would give the A-10 pilot a run for his/her money.

Perhaps Sandy would care to comment if she is invited?

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I bet a really experienced pilot in the P-51 would give the A-10 pilot a run for his/her money.

Perhaps Sandy would care to comment if she is invited?

I think you are right , the turning ability of the P51 makes up for the speed differential. The only thing is, when an A-10's gun hits your plane, it stays hit!

I bet a really experienced pilot in the P-51 would give the A-10 pilot a run for his/her money.

Perhaps Sandy would care to comment if she is invited?

I think you are right , the turning ability of the P51 makes up for the speed differential. The only thing is, when an A-10's gun hits your plane, it stays hit!

Especially with DU armour piercing KE rounds

I know one aircraft that would thrash the A-10!! A Harrier jump jet!

It can manouver like a helicopter, has a faster, if subsonic, turn of speed, carries missiles and guns that are as heavy as the A-10 (depending on the weapon pod mounted).

In a gun only dog fight a skilled Harrier pilot would get inside the A-10 turn every time! Because of this the result is a foregone conclusion, despite the A-10's armour around the pilot. Repeated hits by twin or 4 x 30 mm Raden cannon on the side armour would certainly kill the A-10 pilot!

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Yeah, but what if Batman was flying the A-10 and Superman was flying the P-51 or the Harrier?

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Yeah, but what if Batman was flying the A-10 and Superman was flying the P-51 or the Harrier?

Superman wouldn't need an aircraft.
What if Wonder Woman was flying an invisible plane?

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I know one aircraft that would thrash the A-10!! A Harrier jump jet!

It can manouver like a helicopter, has a faster, if subsonic, turn of speed, carries missiles and guns that are as heavy as the A-10 (depending on the weapon pod mounted).

In a gun only dog fight a skilled Harrier pilot would get inside the A-10 turn every time! Because of this the result is a foregone conclusion, despite the A-10's armour around the pilot. Repeated hits by twin or 4 x 30 mm Raden cannon on the side armour would certainly kill the A-10 pilot!

First the A-10 can carry the Aim-9 just the same as the AV-8, but for all intents and purposes the A-10 has no air-to-air abilites (aside from the occasonal helicopter they've shot down over the years) so in all reality its a rather lop sided match up. Now what I would like to see would be a AV-8 vs a British Sea Harrier.

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Now what I would like to see would be a AV-8 vs a British Sea Harrier.

The AV-8 is a Harrier ... so the contest would be a Mark 1 Harrier versus a Mark 2 Harrier


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April 7 2003: an AV-8B Harrier "Jump Jet" takes off from the assault ship USS Nassau, to engage targets over Iraq in support of Operation Iraqi FreedomThe Harrier II is a family of second generation vertical/short takeoff and landing (V/STOL) jet aircraft of the late 20th century. They were developed from the earlier Hawker-Siddeley Harriers, are primarily used for light attack or multi-role tasks, and are almost all operated from small aircraft carriers. Versions of it are used primarily by NATO countries, and also by India. This includes:

The Royal Air Force and Fleet Air Arm of the United Kingdom under a number of variants and versions starting in the late 1980s, including the GR.7/7A, GR.9/9A, T.10 and T.12 versions. (see RAF Harrier II)
United States Marine Corps as the McDonnell Douglas AV-8B and TAV-8B starting in 1985.
The Spanish Naval air wing (Arma Aerea De La Armada) as the AV-8B+, AV8-B and a TAV-8S.
The Italian Navy air wing (Aviazione per la Marina Militare) as the AV-8B and TAV-8.
The Indian Navy as the FRS51 and T60.
The Harrier II is also notable in history as an example of U.S.-U.K cooperation and of Cold War defense achievements. Of note is the U.S aid funding early development under the Mutual Weapons Development Program (MWDP) and the salvaging of what was left of the AV-8A Advanced Harrier Program by McDonnell Douglas, making the second-generation family poss


As an aside ...
It was a pity the US were the factor that destroyed the UK TSR-2 swing wing fighter development back in 1965, well before the F-111 and other swing wing variants were developed by the USA in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

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I bet a really experienced pilot in the P-51 would give the A-10 pilot a run for his/her money.

I agree....someone should input all the variables in a type of game program and give it a go. Probably already out there.

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I bet a really experienced pilot in the P-51 would give the A-10 pilot a run for his/her money.

I agree....someone should input all the variables in a type of game program and give it a go. Probably already out there.

Biggest thing for the Hog is that its a freaking tank in the air. It'd take a lot of .50 cal rounds to put a Hog down, but it would take many rounds from that super cannon the A-10 has.

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I bet a really experienced pilot in the P-51 would give the A-10 pilot a run for his/her money.

I agree....someone should input all the variables in a type of game program and give it a go. Probably already out there.

Biggest thing for the Hog is that its a freaking tank in the air. It'd take a lot of .50 cal rounds to put a Hog down, but it would take many rounds from that super cannon the A-10 has.

Another thing about the Warthog is that in a ground support role it has a lot more time to just hang around and wait for some useful thing to do. The Harrier just uses fuel up faster. And I am not so sure, given two superb pilots, that the Harrier could get in enough punishment before that gigantic cannon the Warthog is built around spoke. I think it would simply depend on who had the benefit of surprise.

This is scenario seems similar to the clashes between the Japanese Zero and the American P-48 that the AVGs (who became known as the Flying Tigers) flew. The Japanese plane could turn more quickly and go faster than the P-48, but was relatively lightly armoured. The P-48 could dive faster and take far more punishment. Chennault's tactics made the best of the P-48's few advantages.

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This is scenario seems similar to the clashes between the Japanese Zero and the American P-48 that the AVGs (who became known as the Flying Tigers) flew. The Japanese plane could turn more quickly and go faster than the P-48, but was relatively lightly armoured. The P-48 could dive faster and take far more punishment. Chennault's tactics made the best of the P-48's few advantages.

They where P-40's.

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This is scenario seems similar to the clashes between the Japanese Zero and the American P-48 that the AVGs (who became known as the Flying Tigers) flew. The Japanese plane could turn more quickly and go faster than the P-48, but was relatively lightly armoured. The P-48 could dive faster and take far more punishment. Chennault's tactics made the best of the P-48's few advantages.

They where P-40's.

Nice link to a great pic. Was Bill thinking maybe of the P-47, or the "Tub". The P-40's were also used in Europe at the beginning of the war and were a precursor to the P-51 Mustang.

As for A-10's, the entire airframe is built around that massive rotary gun (which is about the size of an old cadillac). It's offset as the rotational torque tilts the aircraft in flight.

They have been known to still be combat operational after having one engine taken out, half of one wing and half of the tail shot off in combat! Thats tuff!

As for A-10's, the entire airframe is built around that massive rotary gun (which is about the size of an old cadillac). It's offset as the rotational torque tilts the aircraft in flight.

They have been known to still be combat operational after having one engine taken out, half of one wing and half of the tail shot off in combat! Thats tuff!

Ya the Hog is one tough plane

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They where P-40's.

Yes they were. I think I got distracted by something shiny when I was typing!

I get distracted by small shiny objects too....it's nothing to be ashamed about. I meet with my support group 'SSOICLWO'....every week.

'Small Shiny Objects I Cannot Live WithOut'. Stay with the program....lol

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