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I'm confused. Bush called an Islamic group fascists. Fascism has been a very exclusively Christian enterprise since it was conceived. If a Christian president invites outsiders into the club, does that make him a liberal?

Exclusivly Christan? Have you ever seen the inside of a Histroy book. Not a lot of Christians in WWII Japan. Park Chung Hee wasn't Chritian either. If you need me to I can line up a few more examples. To say its been excluisvley Chritian is massivly wrong.

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I'm confused. Bush called an Islamic group fascists. Fascism has been a very exclusively Christian enterprise since it was conceived. If a Christian president invites outsiders into the club, does that make him a liberal?

Exclusivly Christan? Have you ever seen the inside of a Histroy book. Not a lot of Christians in WWII Japan. Park Chung Hee wasn't Chritian either. If you need me to I can line up a few more examples. To say its been excluisvley Chritian is massivly wrong.

I can't agree with Troy Stull more strongly. From a political science point of view Christianity has nothing ESSENTIAL to do with fascism. If you consult the Oxford Political Dictionary you'll witness that fascism is perhaps one of the longest entries there and is perhaps the most difficult system of government to describe. It is a detailed system entailing elements of nationalism and economic controls very similar to socialism. Some nations that have practiced it were majority christian and some were not.

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I think modern Islam has definitely incorporated fascist elements into its thinking. But I do not think that is the fault of Christianity. What sowed the seeds of fascism in Islam were the fascist parties of Europe, particularly during the Second World War. Islam picked up on these ideas, along with some other Leftist thinkers. Ayatollah Khomeini's version of Islam was very fascist, I think. We now have a branch of Islam called Wahabbism, but you could just as well call it a form of religious fascism and it's gaining in popularity.
What Islam needs is a good dose of spirituality to cure this ill. And that new spirituality could come from the Sufis within Islam. I hope Sufism will start to make its voice heard. It is a hope for the future.

Susan.

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'No one can make you inferior without your consent.'
Eleanor Roosevelt.

I think modern Islam has definitely incorporated fascist elements into its thinking. But I do not think that is the fault of Christianity. What sowed the seeds of fascism in Islam were the fascist parties of Europe, particularly during the Second World War. Islam picked up on these ideas, along with some other Leftist thinkers. Ayatollah Khomeini's version of Islam was very fascist, I think. We now have a branch of Islam called Wahabbism, but you could just as well call it a form of religious fascism and it's gaining in popularity.
What Islam needs is a good dose of spirituality to cure this ill. And that new spirituality could come from the Sufis within Islam. I hope Sufism will start to make its voice heard. It is a hope for the future.

Susan.

Islam has always been a very millitant religon. I am so going to butcher this... but they have a holidy to remeber when they over ran the jews at some battle and made them into slaves for 10 years before forcing the surviors to leave the Arabian pen.

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From a political science point of view Christianity has nothing ESSENTIAL to do with fascism.

Methinks that when you make the 'Government / Evangelical Christianity' connection then you will be singing a different tune... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

What Islam needs is a good dose of spirituality to cure this ill.

Yea... Good luck with that...

What all 'religions' need to do is swallow their pride and toss those long held beliefs, customs, and traditions, and go back to the basics starting with the 10 commandments... Based on the Bible and on the Qur'an I believe that all 'religions' have veered way off course in one way or another, some a little more than others... But then again, this was already predicted long ago... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Misfit,

You live in San Diego... Did you hear that President Bush signed the papers declaring the white cross and the ground it is on "...transferred from public domain, and is now considered to be on Federal Ground..."

Personally; I support his signing the papers, AND support the fact that since that cross has been there for as long as it has been that NO ONE should take it down, EVER! It IS a monument to those who served and died for this country! If it EVER comes down, (due to this STUPID lawsuit), then in the same light - EVERY CROSS IN ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY SHOULD ALSO COME DOWN... ...AND THAT "AIN'T" HAPPENING, EVER!

(FULL SUPPORTER OF CROSS PROTECTION, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND EVERYTHING ELSE DECLARED IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!)


8-D


P.S. Oh, AND "GOD BLESS AMERICA", FOREVER!


8-D

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Oh, Ya, 'god' sure did 'bless america' on 9/11 didn't it, timelord???

And BTW, from Wikipedia:

While many in the United States of America generally refer to the country as America and themselves as Americans,[1] many people elsewhere in the Americas resent what they perceive as appropriation of the term in this context and, thus, this usage is frequently avoided. In Canada, their southern neighbour is seldom referred to as "America" with "the United States", "the U.S.", or (informally) "the States" used instead.

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I've never met a Canadian or a Mexican that did not prefer to call citizens of the U.S., Americans. What are we supposed to refer to the people in U.S. as? United Statesians?.

I've always heard them refer to the nation as America and their own nations Canada and Mexico.

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For those interested, please feel free to pick up a Book of Mormon from your local Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

I was interested and picked up the book... I'm not quite convinced that 'The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints' is the 'true church of God', however:

+1 on 'The Book Of Mormon'

Recommended reading:

Second Book of Nephi
Chapter 28: Latter-day churches and conditions -- The misleading precepts of men.
Chapter 29: The Gentiles and the Bible -- Other records -- Gods words to be gathered in one.

Book of Moroni
Chapters 1-10

;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

For those interested, please feel free to pick up a Book of Mormon from your local Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

I was interested and picked up the book... I'm not quite convinced that 'The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints' is the 'true church of God', however:

+1 on 'The Book Of Mormon'

Recommended reading:

Second Book of Nephi
Chapter 28: Latter-day churches and conditions -- The misleading precepts of men.
Chapter 29: The Gentiles and the Bible -- Other records -- Gods words to be gathered in one.

Book of Moroni
Chapters 1-10

;)

Thank you for the "+1" on The Book of Mormon; however, be careful... Some people here just might think I am converting you... <wink> ;-D


8-D

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Join Calm Chaos

Misfit,

You live in San Diego... Did you hear that President Bush signed the papers declaring the white cross and the ground it is on "...transferred from public domain, and is now considered to be on Federal Ground..."

Personally; I support his signing the papers, AND support the fact that since that cross has been there for as long as it has been that NO ONE should take it down, EVER! It IS a monument to those who served and died for this country! If it EVER comes down, (due to this STUPID lawsuit), then in the same light - EVERY CROSS IN ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY SHOULD ALSO COME DOWN... ...AND THAT "AIN'T" HAPPENING, EVER!

(FULL SUPPORTER OF CROSS PROTECTION, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND EVERYTHING ELSE DECLARED IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!)


8-D


P.S. Oh, AND "GOD BLESS AMERICA", FOREVER!


8-D

Oh we know all about that here. :) I've posted articles about it in this very thread.

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Dudes, I don't care what you call yourselves in relation to your country, but everyone who lives in the AMERICAS are AMERICANS.

Taking that name for ONE country is pretty friggin arrogant - as if the rest of the super continent didn't matter.
Call yourself by the name of your state, why don't you? Your country is named for states anyway! If you want to name yourself for your whole country then ya! The name is United States. You could always say "US Resident".

When you've come to live in Canada awhile, then you'll see what I'm talking about. A small number of tourists, friends or business acquaintances you've met is hardly a representative sample, wouldn't you agree?

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Never Forget a Friend. Or an Enemy.

Book of Moroni

....says it all.

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Never Forget a Friend. Or an Enemy.

Book of Moroni

....says it all.

Although I take exception to most religious beliefs, and I have issues with the LDS church which is disporportionally reprepresented where I live; making a direct insult on their tenents in such a manner is counter productive and intentionally insulting.

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Dudes, I don't care what you call yourselves in relation to your country, but everyone who lives in the AMERICAS are AMERICANS.

Sure, in the abstract. But so what? By convention and in common usage, the term "American" usually refers to people from the U.S. No one in their right mind would refer to someone from Brazil or Panama as "an American" without adding other descriptors.

Taking that name for ONE country is pretty friggin arrogant - as if the rest of the super continent didn't matter.

It's not arrogant, it just is. Those that made the decision, chose a generalization as a name, and the result is the common usage you see today. C'est la vie.

When you've come to live in Canada awhile, then you'll see what I'm talking about. A small number of tourists, friends or business acquaintances you've met is hardly a representative sample, wouldn't you agree?

For the most part, the entirety of every human being you've ever met in your life is, in no sense of the word, a representative sample. Your generalizations are so large as to be meaningless.

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Remove the obvious...

At first glance it may seem ironic that Chuck is so upset by these group labellings but in reality it gives away his premises about mankind in general. Chuck sees everyone's 'membership' in some kind of group as paramount to the individual. It's rampant through his politics ad nauseum. 'Big business'.., 'The Americans', 'The Israelis', 'The poor', etc etc.....

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