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Message 221704 - Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 20:35:39 UTC

I had no problems running SETI@Home for years until I installed Boinc. Because Bonic makes my CPU run at 100% it causes my CPU to BEEP, all the time. One, it is damm anoying and two, its bad for the CPU.
Does anyone know how to make BOINC use less than 100%? Otherwise I will have to uninstall it, which I dont want to do.
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Message 221708 - Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 20:48:08 UTC
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Classic did the same. I have been running 3 boxes at 100% with HT enabled for over a year, and no problems, but if you feel the need look here for threadmaster, May be something here, BOINC addons and plugins Opps that is 24/7.......
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Message 221727 - Posted: 26 Dec 2005, 21:22:20 UTC

Older Athlons are real stoves. I have a 2000+ which spares me a lot of heating cost in winter... I don't know if your 2600+ is of the same sort.

But there should be no problem with a CPU working under BOINC if it worked under Classic. Classic also had the CPU on 100% - that's just the sense of the whole DC thingie after all.

This said I think you've got an overheating prob. This can be managed with
- not overclocking
- chasing dust bunnies
- possibly changing to more powerful CPU fan

If this doesn't help, do what Jim says and install a CPU throttle. But be aware that (AFAIK - I didn't use it myself up to now) Threadmaster throttles over all, not only for Seti...

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Message 224142 - Posted: 1 Jan 2006, 13:04:24 UTC

I have a problem with the ThreadMaster which should reduce my CPU. It reduces it to 30%. But I think I can do a litte more. In the ReadMe there is a way to higher it, but this doesen´t work. What can I do?
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Message 227315 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 1:42:05 UTC - in response to Message 221708.  

I have a similar problem. I don't mind my CPU running at 100% when the screen saver is active. My problem is, I don't want it to run at 100% when the screen saver is NOT active. Seti@home classic had an option where you could tell it to only run when the screen saver is active or the window is open. The new BOINC Seti@home only does online preferences, and even though I set it to not run when the computer is in use, it runs anyway! I've verified this using the task manager to monitor my CPU usage. What's the point of having the preference setting when changing the setting doesn't change anything?
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Message 227400 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 5:23:41 UTC - in response to Message 227315.  

I have a similar problem. I don't mind my CPU running at 100% when the screen saver is active. My problem is, I don't want it to run at 100% when the screen saver is NOT active. Seti@home classic had an option where you could tell it to only run when the screen saver is active or the window is open. The new BOINC Seti@home only does online preferences, and even though I set it to not run when the computer is in use, it runs anyway! I've verified this using the task manager to monitor my CPU usage. What's the point of having the preference setting when changing the setting doesn't change anything?


After you change your preference online, you have to go back to the BOINC Manager and update the project so that it downloads the new preferences.

Also, make sure BOINC manager is set to "run based on preferences" and not "run always".
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Message 227576 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 17:43:42 UTC - in response to Message 227400.  

After you change your preference online, you have to go back to the BOINC Manager and update the project so that it downloads the new preferences.

Also, make sure BOINC manager is set to "run based on preferences" and not "run always".


Did that. Clicked update a couple hundred times. Closed Boinc, restarted it, shut down my computer at night several times over a period of days, but it still runs at 100%.
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Message 227587 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 18:04:24 UTC - in response to Message 227576.  
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Did that. Clicked update a couple hundred times. Closed Boinc, restarted it, shut down my computer at night several times over a period of days, but it still runs at 100%.

It looks like your host had no contact with Berkeley since the 3rd of December, see here.

You might want have a look inside the tab "Messages" of the Boinc Manager to see what could be the reason why no contact is made.

If contact is made between your host and Berkeley you should have a message similar to the following

1/7/2006 7:05:55 PM||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2006-01-07 19:05:30)

Please post any relevant message you see in the message tab in order to be able to help you further.
Read the News at the homepage
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Look if your question is not answered at the Boinc Wiki

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Message 227596 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 18:21:36 UTC - in response to Message 227587.  

It looks like your host had no contact with Berkeley since the 3rd of December, see here.

You might want have a look inside the tab "Messages" of the Boinc Manager to see what could be the reason why no contact is made.

If contact is made between your host and Berkeley you should have a message similar to the following

1/7/2006 7:05:55 PM||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2006-01-07 19:05:30)

Please post any relevant message you see in the message tab in order to be able to help you further.


Whoah, that's really strange. I know I've processed dozens of work units since then, but none of them are reported. Shouldn't it be considered "contact" whenever an old file is uploaded and a new one is downloaded?

Here's what my messags say:

1/7/2006 9:23:04 AM|SETI@home|Computer ID: 2046719; location: home; project prefs: default
1/7/2006 9:23:04 AM||No general preferences found - using BOINC defaults

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Message 227607 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 18:47:50 UTC - in response to Message 227596.  

Whoah, that's really strange. I know I've processed dozens of work units since then, but none of them are reported. Shouldn't it be considered "contact" whenever an old file is uploaded and a new one is downloaded?

Here's what my messags say:

1/7/2006 9:23:04 AM|SETI@home|Computer ID: 2046719; location: home; project prefs: default
1/7/2006 9:23:04 AM||No general preferences found - using BOINC defaults

Strange that this host is not yet under your account when looking to your hosts. Anyway, searching for the host ID 2046719 brings to you as owner. Maybe a question of update on the server that still needs to be done.

Can you try now to do a change of preferences? Once done on the website, please have a look in the tab "Messages" to see if the preferences have been updated.
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Message 227634 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 19:52:41 UTC - in response to Message 227607.  

Strange that this host is not yet under your account when looking to your hosts. Anyway, searching for the host ID 2046719 brings to you as owner. Maybe a question of update on the server that still needs to be done.

Can you try now to do a change of preferences? Once done on the website, please have a look in the tab "Messages" to see if the preferences have been updated.


Yes, I think the whole conversion from seti@home classic to the boinc version might have messed things up. I tried to consolidate my old account with my new account, and when I did that on the website, it looked like it worked. But now the account I'm using to type this says I haven't communicated with the server since I installed it.

Here's the latest output:

1/7/2006 11:20:31 AM||Starting BOINC client version 5.2.13 for windows_intelx86
1/7/2006 11:20:31 AM||libcurl/7.14.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8 zlib/1.2.3
1/7/2006 11:20:31 AM||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
1/7/2006 11:20:31 AM||Processor: 1 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz
1/7/2006 11:20:31 AM||Memory: 510.48 MB physical, 862.56 MB virtual
1/7/2006 11:20:31 AM||Disk: 27.94 GB total, 1.60 GB free
1/7/2006 11:20:31 AM|SETI@home|Computer ID: 2046719; location: home; project prefs: default
1/7/2006 11:20:31 AM||No general preferences found - using BOINC defaults
1/7/2006 11:20:32 AM||Remote control not allowed; using loopback address
1/7/2006 11:44:48 AM||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
1/7/2006 11:47:44 AM||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
1/7/2006 11:47:47 AM||request_reschedule_cpus: project op

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Message 227647 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 20:08:16 UTC - in response to Message 227634.  

Yes, I think the whole conversion from seti@home classic to the boinc version might have messed things up. I tried to consolidate my old account with my new account, and when I did that on the website, it looked like it worked. But now the account I'm using to type this says I haven't communicated with the server since I installed it.

Seems as if you messed up two accounts. Look here. There are two accounts with your nick.
I think you should leave the one you are writing with in here and use the other one, as it contains all your credits and the Classic stats.

Can you remember the mail addy you used to create this account? (It MUST be an other than that you are using with this account, as the acocunts are defined by the mail addy and not the username). If yes, you can have resent your account key here.

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Message 227666 - Posted: 7 Jan 2006, 20:36:24 UTC - in response to Message 227647.  

Seems as if you messed up two accounts. Look here. There are two accounts with your nick.
I think you should leave the one you are writing with in here and use the other one, as it contains all your credits and the Classic stats.

Can you remember the mail addy you used to create this account? (It MUST be an other than that you are using with this account, as the acocunts are defined by the mail addy and not the username). If yes, you can have resent your account key here.


That did it, thanks! When I clicked on the preferences button in Boinc Manager, it always took me to the website, but there was a cookie that always had me logged in as "the other me". So I logged out and then logged in with my other address, the one that had my computer, and "the other my computer" (same system, diff id in the database) attached to it.

Results:

1/7/2006 12:30:57 PM||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
1/7/2006 12:31:01 PM|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
1/7/2006 12:31:01 PM|SETI@home|General preferences have been updated
1/7/2006 12:31:01 PM||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2006-01-07 12:29:54)
1/7/2006 12:31:01 PM||General prefs: using your defaults
1/7/2006 12:31:01 PM||Suspending computation and network activity - user is active
1/7/2006 12:31:01 PM|SETI@home|Pausing result 04mr05ab.17753.17442.865918.1.158_3 (removed from memory)
1/7/2006 12:31:02 PM||request_reschedule_cpus: process exited

Thanks for helping me fix it.
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Message 228965 - Posted: 10 Jan 2006, 20:40:33 UTC

I have the same problem as Jason A but unlike him I tried to log out of the website and my CPU usage is still at max, I remote desktop to my pc regularly from work and collage and boinc slows it down, this as you can probably tell is a pain, I do have another pc running boinc with my account but even when I turn boinc off my PC’s CPU usage remains at 100% if this problem is resolved somewhere else please tell me otherwise if anybody does know please could you tell me, thank you all.
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Message 229069 - Posted: 10 Jan 2006, 23:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 228965.  

I have the same problem as Jason A but unlike him I tried to log out of the website and my CPU usage is still at max, I remote desktop to my pc regularly from work and collage and boinc slows it down, this as you can probably tell is a pain, I do have another pc running boinc with my account but even when I turn boinc off my PC’s CPU usage remains at 100% if this problem is resolved somewhere else please tell me otherwise if anybody does know please could you tell me, thank you all.



SETI is supposed to use all available CPU cycles, meaning it will use 100% CPU usage. SETI Classic did this as well, though many had it configured to only run when the screen saver was active.

What I am saying in short is that this isn't a problem per se, so there is no "fix" for it. However, you can either change your preferences online to only run when your computer is inactive or only run during certain times of the day, or as a last resort you can download ThreadMaster (google it) to limit your CPU usage. There is a problem with the last suggestion as far as I know though - you will end up limiting all applications to only use X amount of CPU power, not just BOINC.
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Message 229415 - Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 17:12:11 UTC - in response to Message 229069.  

I have the same problem as Jason A but unlike him I tried to log out of the website and my CPU usage is still at max, I remote desktop to my pc regularly from work and collage and boinc slows it down, this as you can probably tell is a pain, I do have another pc running boinc with my account but even when I turn boinc off my PC’s CPU usage remains at 100% if this problem is resolved somewhere else please tell me otherwise if anybody does know please could you tell me, thank you all.



SETI is supposed to use all available CPU cycles, meaning it will use 100% CPU usage. SETI Classic did this as well, though many had it configured to only run when the screen saver was active.

What I am saying in short is that this isn't a problem per se, so there is no "fix" for it. However, you can either change your preferences online to only run when your computer is inactive or only run during certain times of the day, or as a last resort you can download ThreadMaster (google it) to limit your CPU usage. There is a problem with the last suggestion as far as I know though - you will end up limiting all applications to only use X amount of CPU power, not just BOINC.

Ok, thank you first of all for your help, however i don't want to limit all of the aplication CPU usage as i am only running boinc on a 1.3 GHz pc (hides in shame) and i have tryed changeing it in my account settings and this has made no difference.
The 100% CPU usage has now become a huge nusence as i found last night when my pc was running boinc for a long period of time. My CPU had been running for about 4 hours at 100% with no input to my pc when my pc decide for no good reson it didn't want to be used that much so it crashed, causing my virus scanner to not scan and total lost of open data in application, a fix or way of limiting for boinc would be a even more of a nessesity now, thanks
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Message 229448 - Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 17:49:54 UTC - in response to Message 229415.  
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The 100% CPU usage has now become a huge nusence as i found last night when my pc was running boinc for a long period of time. My CPU had been running for about 4 hours at 100% with no input to my pc when my pc decide for no good reson it didn't want to be used that much so it crashed, causing my virus scanner to not scan and total lost of open data in application, a fix or way of limiting for boinc would be a even more of a nessesity now, thanks

That's called heat. Since your CPU is now running at 100%, when while you use it BOINC uses only 3 to 10% of it, as soon as you leave it be, all 100% will go to the CPU for running BOINC.

You may want to check if your PC is clogged up with dust. Just close it down, take the power connector off and put it on a table where you have sufficient light. Open the case and check the CPU fan and GPU fan and heatsinks for signs of dust. If there is a lot of dust, take apart the computer and clean it out with a toothbrush and/or a can of compressed air. Do not use a vacuum cleaner inside it, that may cause static electricity problems.

If you think this is too much of a trouble, then don't do it.
Then allow BOINC only to run when you want it and close your computer down when you aren't using it.

(My girlfriend's computer, an AMD 2200+, would run at 69C with the aid of a table fan blowing cool air in. Without the table fan it would go to 110C and higher! I cleaned it out and it's now running at 55C without the aid of a table fan. )
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Message 229744 - Posted: 11 Jan 2006, 22:24:40 UTC - in response to Message 229415.  

The 100% CPU usage has now become a huge nusence as i found last night when my pc was running boinc for a long period of time. My CPU had been running for about 4 hours at 100% with no input to my pc when my pc decide for no good reson it didn't want to be used that much so it crashed, causing my virus scanner to not scan and total lost of open data in application, a fix or way of limiting for boinc would be a even more of a nessesity now, thanks


Ageless is correct. The real culprit isn't BOINC but a poorly ventilated case or lots of dust in the case which build up over time. Your PC would crash just the same with any other software using your CPU 100% for a time as well. If you can't use your CPU at 100%, then what's the point of using a CPU at all? CPUs are meant to do work otherwise they sit idle using electricity doing nothing, which is extremely wasteful. Might as well let BOINC use 100% to make the most of your computer's spare cycles. If using 100% causes problems, then it's the hardware that's the culprit, not the software.

I'd clean out the case if I were you and then let it run again. I'm sure you'll be surprised by the difference. 8-)
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Message 230241 - Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 20:33:53 UTC - in response to Message 229744.  

The 100% CPU usage has now become a huge nusence as i found last night when my pc was running boinc for a long period of time. My CPU had been running for about 4 hours at 100% with no input to my pc when my pc decide for no good reson it didn't want to be used that much so it crashed, causing my virus scanner to not scan and total lost of open data in application, a fix or way of limiting for boinc would be a even more of a nessesity now, thanks


Ageless is correct. The real culprit isn't BOINC but a poorly ventilated case or lots of dust in the case which build up over time. Your PC would crash just the same with any other software using your CPU 100% for a time as well. If you can't use your CPU at 100%, then what's the point of using a CPU at all? CPUs are meant to do work otherwise they sit idle using electricity doing nothing, which is extremely wasteful. Might as well let BOINC use 100% to make the most of your computer's spare cycles. If using 100% causes problems, then it's the hardware that's the culprit, not the software.

I'd clean out the case if I were you and then let it run again. I'm sure you'll be surprised by the difference. 8-)

You are both wrong from what i can tell, my cpu is cleaned out and de dusted and when my pc crashes the cpu temp is at 52, my pc shuts down at 70 and normally runs at 54 so its not over heating, it is also still doing the same thing, crashing after a while
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Message 230242 - Posted: 12 Jan 2006, 20:36:04 UTC - in response to Message 230241.  
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The 100% CPU usage has now become a huge nusence as i found last night when my pc was running boinc for a long period of time. My CPU had been running for about 4 hours at 100% with no input to my pc when my pc decide for no good reson it didn't want to be used that much so it crashed, causing my virus scanner to not scan and total lost of open data in application, a fix or way of limiting for boinc would be a even more of a nessesity now, thanks


Ageless is correct. The real culprit isn't BOINC but a poorly ventilated case or lots of dust in the case which build up over time. Your PC would crash just the same with any other software using your CPU 100% for a time as well. If you can't use your CPU at 100%, then what's the point of using a CPU at all? CPUs are meant to do work otherwise they sit idle using electricity doing nothing, which is extremely wasteful. Might as well let BOINC use 100% to make the most of your computer's spare cycles. If using 100% causes problems, then it's the hardware that's the culprit, not the software.

I'd clean out the case if I were you and then let it run again. I'm sure you'll be surprised by the difference. 8-)

You are both wrong from what i can tell, my cpu is cleaned out and de dusted and when my pc crashes the cpu temp is at 52, my pc shuts down at 70 and normally runs at 54 so its not over heating, it is also still doing the same thing, crashing after a while

I am just going to keep the screan saver off for a while because just because its worth a try and i read somewere that it worked for a slow pc, and see if that makes a difference, otherwise i will just have to run boinc on my fedora core server as that don't mess up, thanks for all the help
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