Does anyone have logs that would prove, conclusively, that azwoody's statement is either true or not?

It doesn't really matter: my point is that during this stage of development, these outages and fixes (which disrupt the participant's ability to crunch/upload/download) are normal. And I don't have a problem with that.

P.S. I do have a problem with people flaming others who point out those things that don't work. These boards are meant, in great part, to give people a forum for complaining. I am convinced (and I think Matt has said this) that the developers visit here and listen to the complaints. And sometimes, they even visit here to explain what's happening.

Does anyone have logs that would prove, conclusively, that azwoody's statement is either true or not?

It doesn't really matter: my point is that during this stage of development, these outages and fixes (which disrupt the participant's ability to crunch/upload/download) are normal. And I don't have a problem with that.

I'm trying hard to stick to the subject and not get personal. My comment about azwoody's statement is that lack of a response does not support or refute his position.

Personally, I don't track downtime because I'm not sure that a 2 or 3 hour outage means anything, other than using up some of each users cache.

P.S. I do have a problem with people flaming others who point out those things that don't work. These boards are meant, in great part, to give people a forum for complaining. I am convinced (and I think Matt has said this) that the developers visit here and listen to the complaints. And sometimes, they even visit here to explain what's happening.

I have a problem with people flaming others who point that things do work.

I don't think that arguing a point on its' merits is "flaming" either. I think people are entitled to their viewpoints, and that a good healthy technical discussion is fun, and we can even learn from it.

The fun goes away when the discussion stops being technical, and gets personal.

We can disagree, and discuss, and even argue while keeping things civil.

I think there is a whole discussion about "how do you measure a project like SETI?" -- because I'm sure that "server uptime" is not the only metric. Cache size in the client is a factor, and the servers have to be up enough that work isn't too terribly delayed.

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P.S. I do have a problem with people flaming others who point out those things that don't work. These boards are meant, in great part, to give people a forum for complaining. I am convinced (and I think Matt has said this) that the developers visit here and listen to the complaints. And sometimes, they even visit here to explain what's happening.

I have a problem with people flaming others who point that things do work.

I don't think that arguing a point on its' merits is "flaming" either. I think people are entitled to their viewpoints, and that a good healthy technical discussion is fun, and we can even learn from it.

The fun goes away when the discussion stops being technical, and gets personal.

We can disagree, and discuss, and even argue while keeping things civil.

I have a problem with people flaming others who point that things don't work.

Every time azwoody posts--every time--he gets "minused" off the page. Then someone like pascal comes out of the woodwork and taunts and insults him, but all anybody ever comments on is how "negative" azwoody is. And I'm sorry to mention names here, but those two point out a much larger problem with posters on all these boards. Another example: some guy named Markus posted a rant out of frustration the other day and a virtual explosion of snide comments was heaped on his post, which stands at about -29. Again, this forum is meant to allow users, even frustrated users who have less than half a brain, to complain . . . otherwise, where would frustrated users who have less than half a brain, like myself go?

Show me one, only ONE thread where I tried to flame!
Showing my anger, ok, but I never tried to start a flamewar or to discrace someone (ok, except Guido Waldenmeier)

I can't. Is not what I meant either. :)
I just complimented you on putting down a thread without flaming the whole shebang to Tokyo. :)

I have a weird way of complimenting. ;)

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Does anyone have logs that would prove, conclusively, that azwoody's statement is either true or not?

If I look at BOINC Stats the graphs certainly tend upward quite nicely, but is the resolution good enough to tell for sure?

Not completely conclusive but I did a little something and posted to that thread here

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P.S. I do have a problem with people flaming others who point out those things that don't work. These boards are meant, in great part, to give people a forum for complaining. I am convinced (and I think Matt has said this) that the developers visit here and listen to the complaints. And sometimes, they even visit here to explain what's happening.

I have a problem with people flaming others who point that things do work.

I don't think that arguing a point on its' merits is "flaming" either. I think people are entitled to their viewpoints, and that a good healthy technical discussion is fun, and we can even learn from it.

The fun goes away when the discussion stops being technical, and gets personal.

We can disagree, and discuss, and even argue while keeping things civil.

I have a problem with people flaming others who point that things don't work.

Every time azwoody posts--every time--he gets "minused" off the page. Then someone like pascal comes out of the woodwork and taunts and insults him, but all anybody ever comments on is how "negative" azwoody is. And I'm sorry to mention names here, but those two point out a much larger problem with posters on all these boards. Another example: some guy named Markus posted a rant out of frustration the other day and a virtual explosion of snide comments was heaped on his post, which stands at about -29. Again, this forum is meant to allow users, even frustrated users who have less than half a brain, to complain . . . otherwise, where would frustrated users who have less than half a brain, like myself go?

Good post.

My personal dislike are the 'martyrs' to the cause.

They usually start a response to a post with "I don't know how many times I have to say this....

and then follow up with one of:

1)Read the Wiki
2)This has been answered sooooo many times in other posts

Well to be frank if some people are getting fed up repetetively answering posts, the answer is simple - don't, they won't be missed. Why do they waste their time other than to let us know just how tiresome it all is for them? Leave it to others that enjoy being helpful and impart information without a barb or a sting in the tail.

There is no golden rule about posting queries that have been posted before. Where's the real harm? Some people don't spend all their lives avidly reading every single post on this forum and aren't aware of the excellent search facilities available. :)

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1)Read the Wiki

The Wiki is a great place to start off from if you are looking for indept help without having a chance of being sighed on and off the boards.

If only we could make the Wiki the starting point of questions, then you would see a lot less stressed out us trying to repeat the same chore for the 12,348th time.

Well to be frank if some people are getting fed up repetetively answering posts, the answer is simple - don't, they won't be missed.

Until someone posts complete nonsense around, that will eventually get people's Boinc versions broken, erased, harddrives formatted etc.

Why do they waste their time other than to let us know just how tiresome it all is for them? Leave it to others that enjoy being helpful and impart information without a barb or a sting in the tail.

So at times we feel a bit down. Don't you?
You've been shot for the 324st time in Half Life 2, trying to get those rocket launchers from the other side of the square. So you want to take it out on someone, not your spouse, not your mirror. Where do you turn to? ;)

There is no golden rule about posting queries that have been posted before. Where's the real harm? Some people don't spend all their lives avidly reading every single post on this forum and aren't aware of the excellent search facilities available. :)

No, but from a person who posts his first post today asking why he cannot upload his work units and can't get more work, you would expect to start where?

In the Q&A forums?
In any forums?

You know... where would you start? And how do you explain this in friendly words to newcomers to the forums, even if it is the 144th post you did in the past 4 days?

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Until someone posts complete nonsense around, that will eventually get people's Boinc versions broken, erased, harddrives formatted etc.

Really Jord? Have you ever seen anything so catastrophic happen here?

You are always very helpful, but seriously, the world (and BOINC/SETI) won't end if you don't give someone advice. The problem that is being discussed by Mosaix is that sometimes people are put off posting here by the attitudes of others. Yet, this can be the place that a person with a problem (or complaint) chooses to use. However, the moaning, on up the scale to flaming, which goes on here, is not conducive to the purpose of these boards.

Some folks will look at Q&P, some will read the Technical news (but for non-techies, even that name can be daunting), but many will try to take advantage of the "expertise" here--sometimes, oddly enough, in the SETI cafe--because a two way conversation has worked for them in the past. If it's their first post ever on these boards, then maybe they never had a problem before; if they didn't read or search other posts, it may be because they aren't savvy enough to know how to do that. We can all be more tolerant of newbies, naysayers and neutrals . . . but not the cheerleaders! Oh, all right, the cheerleaders too.

Until someone posts complete nonsense around, that will eventually get people's Boinc versions broken, erased, harddrives formatted etc.

Really Jord? Have you ever seen anything so catastrophic happen here?

Not yet no... but give it time. ;)

You are always very helpful, but seriously, the world (and BOINC/SETI) won't end if you don't give someone advice. The problem that is being discussed by Mosaix is that sometimes people are put off posting here by the attitudes of others.

With respect, but that's your interpretation of what he said. I read it as a flame bait all over, yet I responded to it in a normal way. If I follow your line of thinking, Mosaix's post was way out of line. Just read his first lines. ;)

Yet, this can be the place that a person with a problem (or complaint) chooses to use. However, the moaning, on up the scale to flaming, which goes on here, is not conducive to the purpose of these boards.

Before you enter the cliques again, I have tried in the past to tell everyone on these Boinc forums that a) Classic and us are crunching to find Seti, b) that we don't need segregation between the forums, c) that we could try to find a more peaceful way of communicating to eachother (newbies and oldies and archaics).

I was boo'ed out of the Cafe at that. Yet I will still go there and post my piece of mind!

As for all the name calling, Tom (or is it Matt?), why do we need to be called cheerleaders, naysayers, neutrals etc.? Why do we need to have a clique at NC and a clique at the Cafe?

If we can get rid of all of that overnight, it would be a bit friendlier around here. It just needs another standard of posting. So stop with the name calling "clique, martyrs, naysayers, whiners, cheerleaders, newbies, oldies, neutrals, archaics" and just ignore those who antagonize in their first post around here.

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Does anyone have logs that would prove, conclusively, that azwoody's statement is either true or not?

If I look at BOINC Stats the graphs certainly tend upward quite nicely, but is the resolution good enough to tell for sure?

Not completely conclusive but I did a little something and posted to that thread here

See my response in the same thread...

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Did I just pick a bad time, or is this "business as usual"?

Just look at previous posts and the current technical news. It's been quite well explained. Good Luck.

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Until someone posts complete nonsense around, that will eventually get people's Boinc versions broken, erased, harddrives formatted etc.

Really Jord? Have you ever seen anything so catastrophic happen here?

I have seen a lot of advice that has the sole effect of losing BOINC work (but not actually fixing the problem.) Not quite as catastrophic as a wiped HD, but not good advice either.

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Does anyone have logs that would prove, conclusively, that azwoody's statement is either true or not?

If I look at BOINC Stats the graphs certainly tend upward quite nicely, but is the resolution good enough to tell for sure?

Not completely conclusive but I did a little something and posted to that thread here

See my response in the same thread...

I thought you said you were going to let it go? Just couldn't do it, could ya?

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I thought you said you were going to let it go? Just couldn't do it, could ya?

Nor could you, more than 20 hours later . . .

Jeez, I need to get the troll-chow concession around here... You guys just keep feeding them every time they pop outta the woodwork. :)

Jeez, I need to get the troll-chow concession around here... You guys just keep feeding them every time they pop outta the woodwork. :)

When the project gets back to . . . I almost said "normal", but this actually is normal . . . I'll go back to the Cafe.

Jeez, I need to get the troll-chow concession around here... You guys just keep feeding them every time they pop outta the woodwork. :)

I'm sorry. I usually do try to ignore the trolls... but sometimes... ya just gotta...

and I think Mr. Koenig just admitted to being a troll. ROFL

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I find it highly amusing at times on some threads.

Person A says something.

Person B takes offence at person A's post, and says so.

Person A takes offence at person B's taking offence, and says so....

I then get to sit back and have a chuckle at the following flame war. </img>

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I find it highly amusing at times on some threads.

Person A says something.

Person B takes offence at person A's post, and says so.

Person A takes offence at person B's taking offence, and says so....

I then get to sit back and have a chuckle at the following flame war.

Generally as an uninvolved reader I can't even see anything offensive to start with, but soon enough the offensive bits creep in, and everyone throws their toys out of their prams, so that they have room for the napalm cannon... </img>

You don't find it offensive? Well, I guess not, since Mr. Baize didn't call you a troll.

{snip}I can't even see anything offensive to start with, but soon enough the offensive bits creep in,{snip}

Please read what I said.....I have highlighted in bold the relevent section.....

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(Oh, + some Classic WUs too.)