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Anonymous Send message Joined: 15 Jan 02 Posts: 307 Credit: 24,137 RAC: 0 |
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Anonymous Send message Joined: 15 Jan 02 Posts: 307 Credit: 24,137 RAC: 0 |
Praise BOINC all you like, but let's look at the facts. 1) SETI classic is currently bug free and fully operational while BOINC is not. 2) SETI classic software is FREE, which means, contrary to what some Einsteins will tell you, that you CAN get software that works FOR FREE. 3) I've never heard anyone say they were ready to give up the SETI project completly UNTIL coming to this forum and reading about the CHRONIC problems and frustrations caused by the BOINC software or server, or whatever other reason you are blaming it on this week. 4) TWO topics started about the problems getting WU's for BOINC, neither of which I started, indicating that I am neither the only person with a problem, nor am I the only "complainer" The simple fact of the matter is that this bug laden software MIGHT be better in the future, but CURRENTLY is a big steaming pile which is turning users away from SETI, not bringing them in faster. </img> |
Heffed Send message Joined: 19 Mar 02 Posts: 1856 Credit: 40,736 RAC: 0 |
> Praise BOINC all you like, but let's look at the facts. > > 1) SETI classic is currently bug free and fully operational while BOINC is > not. Lets look at the technical complexities of both. S@H classic = Sputnik. BOINC = Space Shuttle. It's not surprising that BOINC has a few more "issues", because it's doing more. (CC and project apps) How well does S@H classic do other projects? > 2) SETI classic software is FREE, which means, contrary to what some Einsteins > will tell you, that you CAN get software that works FOR FREE. No. The S@H classic software isn't free. It's development/distribution is/was paid for by sponsers. Same as BOINC. > 3) I've never heard anyone say they were ready to give up the SETI project > completly UNTIL coming to this forum and reading about the CHRONIC problems > and frustrations caused by the BOINC software or server, or whatever other > reason you are blaming it on this week. I have. Many people feel this is a good excuse to stop running S@H. Nothing to do with the servers or software. > 4) TWO topics started about the problems getting WU's for BOINC, neither of > which I started, indicating that I am neither the only person with a problem, > nor am I the only "complainer" No, you aren't the only complainer. Simply one of the complainers who can't look at things logically. > The simple fact of the matter is that this bug laden software MIGHT be better > in the future, but CURRENTLY is a big steaming pile which is turning > users away from SETI, not bringing them in faster. Yes, the software does have some bugs. Yes, I feel it wasn't ready to leave beta yet. However, I wouldn't by any stretch of the imagination call it "laden" with bugs. As has already been mentioned, the software does "work". None of the existing bugs are game breakers. <a> [/url] |
DerekL Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 25 Credit: 222,512 RAC: 0 |
> Praise BOINC all you like, but let's look at the facts. > > 1) SETI classic is currently bug free and fully operational while BOINC is > not. Yes. Let's look at the facts shall we? Your 'fully operational' example spent something like 72 hours *down* over the weekend, and such downtimes are far from rare. The remainder of your comments are equally 'factual'. |
Bob Slawson Send message Joined: 11 Oct 01 Posts: 1 Credit: 19,848 RAC: 0 |
All the fish in the sea. One odd goes trolling. Look who bites. |
camoe51 Send message Joined: 18 Aug 02 Posts: 4 Credit: 1,439,105 RAC: 0 |
Thank you to the Boinc developers who have spent all of this time working on this project. Thank you to Chris and others like him who read and think logically and does not resort to foul language to get their point across. The bugs will be worked out in due time. Debugging a piece of software can take many many hours and can take months to work out every single bug. |
Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 |
It amazes me about all the complaints there are referring to the "software," While currently all the problems are stemming from server hardware program issues which have nothing to do with the client. Ignorance is like the clap around here, and all the big complainers are doing all the F******. Boinc ALPHA/BETA Tester Account frozen... |
Spiderman Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 28 Credit: 21,668 RAC: 0 |
I to am upset that there is no work available. I now have the Pirates@Home project added. But it doesn't have any work available either. I think BOINC people might of jumped the gun on letting this out. If they can't keep up with the work load demands of the people that have signed up to use it. There is something wrong. I don't really think it is software related. But server related ? If anything, is there other projects out there that my computer can be running.. If so post links to the sites. Not just names.... [/url] |
Marcin Radzikowski Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 17 Credit: 11,318,668 RAC: 6 |
BrainSmashR: If the software is bug ridden, why don't you enlighten the rest of us with your high and mighty insight into what the SETI@home scientists are obviously failing to see. As Dogbytes says in the previous post...the issues are not with the software client or the analysis. Have a close look at the SETI@home client...still the good 'ol 3.08 under the new skin. |
Marcin Radzikowski Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 17 Credit: 11,318,668 RAC: 6 |
Spiderman: You're right on one account...BOINC is intended to allow users to participate in multiple projects with one computer. However, no project is obligated to make sure that you can process units at all times. They'll hand out as much work as they can. If there is a surplus of CPU cycles, well that's great! You can put them to good use towards other projects. |
DarkSithLord Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 1,715 RAC: 0 |
Make the work units bigger. Take longer to process so less connetions. Im not saying make it 200 hour units on a p4 3gig but slightly increase the work unit size for more processing. Unless theres a problem with bandwidth. Did we bring across all the Seti@home backend equipment ?? Shouldnt be this low on units? Although 2.7mil in units already compared to 6mil for all of last project is scary. :) |
slavko.sk Send message Joined: 27 Jun 00 Posts: 346 Credit: 417,028 RAC: 0 |
My PC use is more then 99,9% from June, 23td when I joined SETI@BOINC: Check It It is a fact which tells me that it is working. Nothing more and nothing less. S Try WAP user info http://slavko.sk/wap/seti |
Richard Smith Send message Joined: 2 Feb 00 Posts: 19 Credit: 7,319,258 RAC: 0 |
> Praise BOINC all you like, but let's look at the facts. > > [ranting removed] Someone got a gun pointing to your head making you run Boinc? No. Dont like it? Bugger off elsewhere and stop moaning. |
Thierry Van Driessche Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3083 Credit: 150,096 RAC: 0 |
> 3) I've never heard anyone say they were ready to give up the SETI project > completly UNTIL coming to this forum and reading about the CHRONIC problems > and frustrations caused by the BOINC software or server, or whatever other > reason you are blaming it on this week. If you go here the message I believe is quite clear. Although the timeline is only an estimate, it says very clearly that S@H Classic will jump over to the use of Boinc. |
Bob Chr. Laryea Send message Joined: 1 May 02 Posts: 122 Credit: 83,877 RAC: 0 |
It Seems that all this SUCK's Big time. I can not get new Wu's, it keeps deferring with project. NO FU..... WU's <font face="comic sans ms">THE CRUNCHER'S CORNER !!!</font> <font face="comic sans ms">Who's Your Daddy?</font> |
mlcudd Send message Joined: 11 Apr 03 Posts: 782 Credit: 63,647 RAC: 0 |
> I to am upset that there is no work available. > I now have the Pirates@Home project added. But it doesn't have any work > available either. > > > I think BOINC people might of jumped the gun on letting this out. If they > can't keep up with the work load demands of the people that have signed up to > use it. There is something wrong. I don't really think it is software related. > But server related ? > > If anything, is there other projects out there that my computer can be > running.. If so post links to the sites. Not just names.... > [/url] |
STE\/E Send message Joined: 29 Mar 03 Posts: 1137 Credit: 5,334,063 RAC: 0 |
Even during the most intensive Veta testing the daw for WU's was not what it turned out to be on announment week. ========== Personally I stay away from the Veta Testing, although I will do some Beta Testing now & then... ;) JOIN TEAM |
Anonymous Send message Joined: 15 Jan 02 Posts: 307 Credit: 24,137 RAC: 0 |
"Lets look at the technical complexities of both. S@H classic = Sputnik. BOINC = Space Shuttle. " VERY poor example. How many Space Shuttles DISASTERS have we had since it's introduction? "No. The S@H classic software isn't free. It's development/distribution is/was paid for by sponsers. Same as BOINC." Well, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that means the software is FREE to the end user. "I have. Many people feel this is a good excuse to stop running S@H. Nothing to do with the servers or software." Well, I won't call you a liar to your face, just ask you to provide some proof and ask you why an adult can't stop utilizing softtware if they want to. It's not crack and it's not physically addictive. "None of the existing bugs are game breakers." That's YOUR opinion. I droped BOINC in 24hours because it STOPPED my SETI WU processing in it's tracks. Effectivly "breaking" the game. "Yes. Let's look at the facts shall we? Your 'fully operational' example spent something like 72 hours *down* over the weekend, and such downtimes are far from rare." Mine WAS NOT down. In fact, I have not talked to ONE PERSON who was unable to get WU's this weekend with SETI classic. You are full of s**t on this one, buddy. "While currently all the problems are stemming from server hardware program issues which have nothing to do with the client. " In Louisiana, they say it's not the heat, but the humidity. But you know what, it's still hot as hell outside.....meaning I don't care what you blame the problem on, BOINC doesn't get the SETI job done. "If the software is bug ridden, why don't you enlighten the rest of us with your high and mighty insight into what the SETI@home scientists are obviously failing to see." SURE, if it's NOT broken, don't try to fix it. SETI classic is STILL working like a charm "Someone got a gun pointing to your head making you run Boinc?" LAF, if you bothered to read the entire topic you'd see I AM NO LONGER RUNNING THAT PIECE OF CRAP. SETI classic WORKS, plain and simple. "Although the timeline is only an estimate, it says very clearly that S@H Classic will jump over to the use of Boinc" I completely understand, I just hope I'm dead or someone works the bugs out before the change takes place, because as long as the problems exist, I'm not switching. "It Seems that all this SUCK's Big time. I can not get new Wu's, it keeps deferring with project. NO FU..... WU's" I know the feeling, buddy. Try SETI classic, IT WORKS </img> |
Steve Clarke Send message Joined: 7 Oct 03 Posts: 4 Credit: 468,696 RAC: 0 |
I just wish that the news link was updated more often... like whenever there is a problem! At least then we would all know the reason for the current lack of work units, and maybe when it will be sorted out. |
PinkiePieAddict Send message Joined: 1 May 01 Posts: 1 Credit: 4,001,430 RAC: 4 |
Just noticed a new message in Boinc: 2004-07-21 06:38:37 PROJECT IS DOWN Looks like its no longer a problem of not enough work units. Looks like they've shut it down until they can fix the problem. Gotta love how they don't mention that on the main page. Not a problem for me, but for all the people who switch at the moment they won't know what's going on. Not complaining, just stating facts. |
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