I am so disillusioned with all this I am bowing out. I love Seti@Home - but really - if you run Linux we will, by software design, penalise you? Such a shame for exactly the centrally-controlled, multi-project-multi platform solution I thought WE were all aiming for. Great. A taste of the future. As long as you don't run Linux.

I have 32 machines (of my own, no companies involved) here but I'm sorry credit is built on castles of sand. I am outranked by folks with 1/2 the number of Windoze machines but hey! who cares the bias has been there since day 1. 81GHz of processor power WASTED.

When BOINC looses its benchmark-based, anti-Linux roots give me a call.

But for now.......bye

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I am so disillusioned with all this I am bowing out. I love Seti@Home - but really - if you run Linux we will, by software design, penalise you?

I have 32 machines (of my own, no companies involved) here but I'm sorry credit is built on castles of sand. I am outranked by folks with 1/2 the number of Windoze machines but hey! who cares the bias has been there since day 1. 81GHz of processor power WASTED.

When BOINC loses its benchmark-based, anti-Linux roots give me a call.

But for now.......bye

Lowfield, read the optimization posts on this board and check out wonderful pages by Ned and by Metod.

http://www.mkx.si/boinc/
http://www.pperry.f2s.com/index.htm

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Lowfield, read the optimization posts on this board and check out wonderful pages by Ned and by Metod.

Thanks for the tips. They are useless. I know Ned (online) but there is nothing they can do to change the project bias. And I know the developers are flat out. But with a Linux farm ATM you would be DULL to run BOINC

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I am so disillusioned with all this I am bowing out. I love Seti@Home - but really - if you run Linux we will, by software design, penalise you? Such a shame for exactly the centrally-controlled, multi-project-multi platform solution I thought WE were all aiming for. Great. A taste of the future. As long as you don't run Linux.

I have 32 machines (of my own, no companies involved) here but I'm sorry credit is built on castles of sand. I am outranked by folks with 1/2 the number of Windoze machines but hey! who cares the bias has been there since day 1. 81GHz of processor power WASTED.

When BOINC looses its benchmark-based, anti-Linux roots give me a call.

But for now.......bye

And in classic, you were no doubt outranked by some outright cheats. You just didn't know it and/or it was hard to prove.

Some processor/OS combinations worked better in classic as well. But you didn't have the level of stats/granularity of credit to see it in classic.

Good luck with whatever else you use your systems for.

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Mostly this was caused by a bug in the optimization of the benchmarks - the Windows compiler stripped much of the benchmarks away. This has been fixed, but most users have not upgraded their systems yet. There is still a small bias in favor of Windows, the developers are aware of the problem, and are trying to design a solution.

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And in classic, you were no doubt outranked by some outright cheats. You just didn't know it and/or it was hard to prove.

Don't care about being outranked. I just care about level playing fields

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With Ned's optimized clients you could have your machines doing almost twice the work in the same time. That's like 140GHz for you. It might help you get over the credit system. I run Windows and I'm not thrilled with the credit system either. I wish it could be based on your work done not what sort of stick you were poking at it and how long you stood there poking.

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Mostly this was caused by a bug in the optimization of the benchmarks - the Windows compiler stripped much of the benchmarks away. This has been fixed, but most users have not upgraded their systems yet. There is still a small bias in favor of Windows, the developers are aware of the problem, and are trying to design a solution.

JMVII - I read most of your posts and learn - you are kinda a BOINC hero for me. But I have literally sweated my way through 780k+ units and I am tired of being second-class by design. I have no worries over someone having more CPU than me - that will always happen. But a built-in bias......

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With Ned's optimized clients you could have your machines doing almost twice the work in the same time. That's like 140GHz for you. It might help you get over the credit system. I run Windows and I'm not thrilled with the credit system either. I wish it could be based on your work done not what sort of stick you were poking at it and how long you stood there poking.

Have you -AAAAAANy- idea how long it takes to upgrade 32 boxes, the majority headless? Big job. Thanks for your well-intentioned input but trust me, you have no idea.

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I am sorry, but someone with these amounts of credits for the various projects, I wonder why... what... where?

Is being number 3 (S), 1 (PP), 8 (CP), 1 (LHC), 19 (E) in your team in those various projects not enough? Is it all about credits only? Or was there something like science at any of the projects in there as well?

Did you want to be higher? Number one all over every stats? Never mind, I shall probably not understand anyway.

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With Ned's optimized clients you could have your machines doing almost twice the work in the same time. That's like 140GHz for you. It might help you get over the credit system. I run Windows and I'm not thrilled with the credit system either. I wish it could be based on your work done not what sort of stick you were poking at it and how long you stood there poking.

Have you -AAAAAANy- idea how long it takes to upgrade 32 boxes, the majority headless? Big job. Thanks for your well-intentioned input but trust me, you have no idea.

I don't mean to be rude here, but you have a RAC of 2480 and are running more then one windows machine that have a RAC below some of your Linux machines.

So what exactly are you complaining about again? Are you in this for the science or the glory from the number of credits you get?

Yes I do have an idea of how long it takes to upgrade 32 machines. My job often requires me to upgrade hundreds of them.. That is why Perl was invented..

[EDIT]Before you say it I post my stats so I can make sure my machines are all still running[ENDEDIT]

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I am sorry, but someone with these amounts of credits for the various projects, I wonder why... what... where?...

Well it seems more to be about bragging here... no offense...

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Aloha, Uli

Lowfield, read the optimization posts on this board and check out wonderful pages by Ned and by Metod.

Thanks for the tips. They are useless. I know Ned (online) but there is nothing they can do to change the project bias. And I know the developers are flat out. But with a Linux farm ATM you would be DULL to run BOINC

That's one reason that CP on Linux is my prefered project. Same credit for Windoze or Linux.

In the same way though, I wish there would be an "official" update to the cruncher for linux. It's still version 4.02, and windoze just went to 4.18!

I can't believe that nothing in the 16 subversions, that there was nothing that would affect linux.

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That's one reason that CP on Linux is my prefered project. Same credit for Windoze or Linux.

In the same way though, I wish there would be an "official" update to the cruncher for linux. It's still version 4.02, and windoze just went to 4.18!

I can't believe that nothing in the 16 subversions, that there was nothing that would affect linux.

Could it be, you both overlooked Tetsuji's effords in making an optimized client for Linux? See here for further investigation.

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Aloha, Uli

That's one reason that CP on Linux is my prefered project. Same credit for Windoze or Linux.

In the same way though, I wish there would be an "official" update to the cruncher for linux. It's still version 4.02, and windoze just went to 4.18!

I can't believe that nothing in the 16 subversions, that there was nothing that would affect linux.

Could it be, you both overlooked Tesuji's effords in making an optimized client for Linux? See here for further investigation.

As far as cruncers go, other projects seem to be fairly in sync with linux/windows versions of their crunchers, so why isn't seti? IIRC 4.02 had been out for well over 6 months (maybe 9?) It came out shortly after the CC moved from version 3.x to 4.x.

I'd rather not use "unofficial" versions. That's just me.

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... I'd rather not use "unofficial" versions. That's just me.

Ok for me, just wanted to show an alternative...

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Aloha, Uli

Mostly this was caused by a bug in the optimization of the benchmarks - the Windows compiler stripped much of the benchmarks away. This has been fixed, but most users have not upgraded their systems yet. There is still a small bias in favor of Windows, the developers are aware of the problem, and are trying to design a solution.

JMVII - I read most of your posts and learn - you are kinda a BOINC hero for me. But I have literally sweated my way through 780k+ units and I am tired of being second-class by design. I have no worries over someone having more CPU than me - that will always happen. But a built-in bias......

It is not by design. The intention has always been that the same WU processed on any computers would genarate nearly identical credit requests. The reality has been somewhat different. It has been bothering the developers, and they have been thinking about a solution.

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Have you -AAAAAANy- idea how long it takes to upgrade 32 boxes, the majority headless? Big job. Thanks for your well-intentioned input but trust me, you have no idea.

Only 32 boxes? I routinely use Linus clusters of 128+ boxes (mostly not for Seti, they are usually busy doing other things). Boinc is extremely easy to manage, mass scheduling is even easier through web interface. I think Boinc could be made easier, especially when they finally come out with the Boinc proxy, but I got squid to work with some effort and it's been reliable since.

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Mostly this was caused by a bug in the optimization of the benchmarks - the Windows compiler stripped much of the benchmarks away. This has been fixed, but most users have not upgraded their systems yet. There is still a small bias in favor of Windows, the developers are aware of the problem, and are trying to design a solution.

JMVII - I read most of your posts and learn - you are kinda a BOINC hero for me. But I have literally sweated my way through 780k+ units and I am tired of being second-class by design. I have no worries over someone having more CPU than me - that will always happen. But a built-in bias......

It is not by design. The intention has always been that the same WU processed on any computers would genarate nearly identical credit requests. The reality has been somewhat different. It has been bothering the developers, and they have been thinking about a solution.

It's been a "problem under consideration" for what, about 2 years? Seti/Boinc "production" has been around for about a year, and was known in the "pre release" beta for months before that.

It's been stated by ROM that he's "a windoze type". He also seems to be the only paid programmer. Maybe ROM needs to spend a bit more time looking out for non-Windoze platforms!

Case in point: The Linux 4.02 cruncher still has the problem where "precent done" climbs to like 40% in the first couple minutes of crunching. This was fixed on Windoze, how many sub versions ago?

Non Windoze folks are second class crunchers here. No if's ands or buts!

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Oh come on... just optimize them! You got 32 boxes... well you have to put something to it to take the most out of it. If you really want to get a fair game. then do it and optimize them. If you dont want to, and you want to quit.. then just quit... I bet in 1 week there will be more new PCs than you have right now.

Dont like it, leave it.

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