The US will not allow DPRK to have deliverable nuclear warheads, and Kim will not give them up.

That's a bit of an oxymoron. They already have them. They aren't giving them up except by using them. Not after they have seen what the USA/UN did in Iraq when they agreed to inspectors and what happened to Saddam. Understand shrub has severe consequences.

Otherwise we have the proverbial 'Mexican Standoff'.

It is already game over. Standoff isn't their game, it is yours. Again, what does Kim want?

As to your China involvement, would you trust China to do the verifying that Kim got rid of his nukes? Know Kim won't allow USA/UN to set foot there after shrub's adventure in Iraq. Do you trust China? Remember they just elevated Xi to Mao's level.


In any case j mercer is correct, Kim wants respect. Calling him little rocket man is not respect. Game over.
There is something else he wants. Anyone care to state it? Hint: One of the same things you do.

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Respect is a 2 way street, it must be earn't first to be acknowledged and neither little fat persons have come close to doing either. ;-)

Cheers.

Respect is a 2 way street, it must be earn't first to be acknowledged and neither little fat persons have come close to doing either. ;-)

Cheers.

And there we have it. Neither of the 'bickering children' have earned the respect of the other. Both are dismissed as such and therein lies the danger to the world.

And to the idea Odd Nut Job wants the same as America, got no problem with that but reread what I posted paying close attention to......"that don't involve harm to innocent life or threaten our lives."

If you respond that the US/UN threatens DPRK lives, that is "in response" to the 40000 artillery pointed at and threatening US and So Korean lives for 64 years.

Who will trust whom.......................first?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj5sVN8_5A

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Respect is a 2 way street, it must be earn't first to be acknowledged and neither little fat persons have come close to doing either. ;-)

Cheers.

And there we have it. Neither of the 'bickering children' have earned the respect of the other. Both are dismissed as such and therein lies the danger to the world.

And to the idea Odd Nut Job wants the same as America, got no problem with that but reread what I posted paying close attention to......"that don't involve harm to innocent life or threaten our lives."

If you respond that the US/UN threatens DPRK lives, that is "in response" to the 40000 artillery pointed at and threatening US and So Korean lives for 64 years.

Who will trust whom.......................first?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj5sVN8_5A

Can either be trusted? I know I wouldn't trust Trump. He wants an assurance that North Korea will stop all nuclear weapons production and research but that's what negotiation got with Iran and Trump wants to tear that treaty up.

At the moment most governments will be wary of agreeing treaties with the US because it seems that the next President can just rip them up. It is going to take decades for the US to rid itself of that impression.

Trump wants to tear that treaty up.

Please do research, there is NO treaty with Iran. There is a non-binding agreement. The same as DPRK, no treaty.

A treaty requires ratification of the US Congress which Obama knew he would never get because the deal frankly stank to high heaven. And the 'agreement' has not curtailed Iran's ambitions, only delayed and eventually cleared the way for their domination of the Middle East.

An actual treaty, such as SALT would require mutual ratification and verification of compliance which worked 'pretty well' with Russia and the US(until recently).

So Trump is not 'tearing up a treaty', he is decertifying a one sided agreement that does not achieve the goals that were intended.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

If you respond that the US/UN threatens DPRK lives, that is "in response" to the 40000 artillery pointed at and threatening US and So Korean lives for 64 years.

Who will trust whom.......................first?

When that armistice was signed did either side lower any guns? If not, same can be said from the DPRK side.
If you say we could be trusted, remember Chosin was a bit far North of Pyongyang so it isn't like we didn't show them we didn't want them to survive, in fact we stated at the time they were to be one under Seoul, as a puppet of the USA. They have long memories.

Only way is for there to be a peace treaty, and/or a surrender. ROK and DPRK can likely work out an amicable peace treaty between themselves*. USA will have to surrender, like Vietnam, and withdraw. Then Korea will be for the Koreans, not China, Russia or the USA. There is no other exit strategy that will not involve massive bloodshed.


*they are sending each other's fishing boats back across the border already.

DIPLOMACY. What a JOKE.

DIPLOMACY = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ = RANSOM

TAXPAYERS Get F**KED in ANY DIPLOMATIC Solution. Either through 'Trade' 'Deals' with HUGE SWEETENERS fO the OTHER SIDE or Direct Payments of CURRENCY/GOLD/SILVER as Seen with Iran 'Deal'. Usually 'Trade' 'Deals' and COLD HARD CASH is dA 'DIPLOMATIC' 'SOLUTION'.

In Other Words, TAXPAYERS Get F**KED.

So STOP with dA 'DIPLOMACY' 'Solution' Talk, and FORGET about dA MOST OVER USED MEANINGLESS WORD in dA World aka 'RESPECT'. 'RESPECT' is ALWAYS a LIE.

Taxpayers are FED UP and ANGRY 'bout Same Ole Same Ole Emptying of Their Bank Accounts.

I'd Rather dA MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX have dA MONIES to BOMB dA SHAT and TOTALLY DESTROY..........

NO GO fO NOKO Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Will 45 understand the de-brief from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis after his visit to the DMZ.

Mattis got a sense of this first hand the day before, when he visited the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) that separates the two countries with South Korean Defense Minister Song Young-Moo. While there, Song pointed to North Korea’s long-range artillery in the distance and suggested it would be “unfeasible” to defend against them in a conflict.
“Understood,” Mattis responded, according to Reuters.

WaPo - As Mattis promises ‘massive military response’ to North Korea strike, threat of artillery hangs over Seoul

"Understood" from this former Marine General Officer could mean he understands the need to eliminate the problem before he has to defend against it.........two of his quotes.....

"I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f**k with me, I’ll kill you all."
(San Diego Union Tribune)

"I’m going to plead with you, do not cross us. Because if you do, the survivors will write about what we do here for 10,000 years."
(San Diego Union Tribune)

..........hopefully someone in the DPRK is listening and "understands".

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

"Understood" from this former Marine General Officer could mean he understands the need to eliminate the problem before he has to defend against it.........two of his quotes.....

"I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f**k with me, I’ll kill you all."
(San Diego Union Tribune)

"I’m going to plead with you, do not cross us. Because if you do, the survivors will write about what we do here for 10,000 years."
(San Diego Union Tribune)

..........hopefully someone in the DPRK is listening and "understands".

JE,

Are you by chance in San Diego? That's my home town, born many moons ago. :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

@Siran

Nope, you missed by 834 miles x 1 mile in altitude.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

IIRC Eye has oft stated he's from Colorado. He has a rocky mountain high.

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@Siran

Nope, you missed by 834 miles x 1 mile in altitude.

Ok, was just wondering since you listed the San Diego Union Tribune. Thanks. :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

If you respond that the US/UN threatens DPRK lives, that is "in response" to the 40000 artillery pointed at and threatening US and So Korean lives for 64 years.

Who will trust whom.......................first?

When that armistice was signed did either side lower any guns? If not, same can be said from the DPRK side.
If you say we could be trusted, remember Chosin was a bit far North of Pyongyang so it isn't like we didn't show them we didn't want them to survive, in fact we stated at the time they were to be one under Seoul, as a puppet of the USA. They have long memories.

Only way is for there to be a peace treaty, and/or a surrender. ROK and DPRK can likely work out an amicable peace treaty between themselves*. USA will have to surrender, like Vietnam, and withdraw. Then Korea will be for the Koreans, not China, Russia or the USA. There is no other exit strategy that will not involve massive bloodshed.


*they are sending each other's fishing boats back across the border already.

Gary, you are a dreamer if you think that could or would happen.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Personally I think Trump is providing Kim with plenty of verbal ammunition to allievate the serious issues he is facing at home, much like the Junta did in 1982. Didn't do them much good. As for the good ole USA, remains to be seen.

If you respond that the US/UN threatens DPRK lives, that is "in response" to the 40000 artillery pointed at and threatening US and So Korean lives for 64 years.

Who will trust whom.......................first?

When that armistice was signed did either side lower any guns? If not, same can be said from the DPRK side.
If you say we could be trusted, remember Chosin was a bit far North of Pyongyang so it isn't like we didn't show them we didn't want them to survive, in fact we stated at the time they were to be one under Seoul, as a puppet of the USA. They have long memories.

Only way is for there to be a peace treaty, and/or a surrender. ROK and DPRK can likely work out an amicable peace treaty between themselves*. USA will have to surrender, like Vietnam, and withdraw. Then Korea will be for the Koreans, not China, Russia or the USA. There is no other exit strategy that will not involve massive bloodshed.


*they are sending each other's fishing boats back across the border already.

Gary, you are a dreamer if you think that could or would happen.

I know the idiot fools who run the USA arms machine will not allow it to happen as long as they have power. They need war to make $$$$$, greed is good, citizens are canon fodder.

I know the idiot fools who run the USA arms machine will not allow it to happen as long as they have power. They need war to make $$$$$, greed is good, citizens are canon fodder.

Donald needs that war machine cranked up so he can deliver those jobs that he promised. ;-)

Cheers.

If only they had listened to Douglas MacArthur 67 years ago, when the US was the ONLY country with working nuclear weapons none of this would be happening today.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

If only they had listened to Douglas MacArthur 67 years ago, when the US was the ONLY country with working nuclear weapons none of this would be happening today.

Incorrect.

While American experts had predicted that the Soviet Union would not have nuclear weapons until the mid-1950s, the first Soviet bomb was detonated on August 29, 1949, shocking the entire world.

If only they had listened to Douglas MacArthur 67 years ago, when the US was the ONLY country with working nuclear weapons none of this would be happening today.

Incorrect.

While American experts had predicted that the Soviet Union would not have nuclear weapons until the mid-1950s, the first Soviet bomb was detonated on August 29, 1949, shocking the entire world.

Yeah I know but that was not an operational unit. It was several years before they had a useful stockpile of nuclear weapons. One bomb with no way to deliver it is not a threat.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.