Immigrant Migrant Refugee SUPREMACY-Is RACIST DEPLORABLE & TREASONOUS KKKOMMIE KKKryBABY KKKLOWNS with Their Continuing TREASONOUS Behaviours, will LOSE All Elections if They Keep Spouting TREASONOUS Free Speech

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Message 1837285 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 4:35:31 UTC - in response to Message 1837283.  

The oligarchy was put into motion when 3/5 citizens were invented, people were chattel and women couldn't vote or own land; since then it has very slowly been losing its grip, until Trump, who has made its grip firm around the throats of the common man.
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Message 1837286 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 4:37:05 UTC - in response to Message 1837283.  

High taxation, burdensome regulations and political correctness has created what oligopoly we have now.

Guy, no the Reagan revolution created our present oligopoly.
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Message 1837302 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 10:11:12 UTC - in response to Message 1837287.  

Yes, the Founding Fathers understood. Do you?

I don't think your Founding Fathers understood either.
Things have changed a lot since the US Constitution was declared more than 200 years ago.

Twenty-seven amendments have been added to the Constitution since then.
Then there are 50 state Constitutions as well!
In 19 states, the state constitutions have been amended at least 100 times.
"We the people" seems to me have different meanings in the USA depending in which state you live in.
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Message 1837324 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 13:42:02 UTC - in response to Message 1837323.  

"We the people" seems to me have different meanings in the USA depending in which state you live in.

Yes.

WHY? shouldn't it mean the same throughout all 50 states?
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Message 1837329 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 14:21:22 UTC - in response to Message 1837326.  

"We the people" seems to me have different meanings in the USA depending in which state you live in.

Yes.

WHY? shouldn't it mean the same throughout all 50 states?

We are a Federal Republic. With 51 Internal Governments, with many different laws, and interpretations of laws.
For example: Some actions are crimes in some States, but not in others. Some States have a Death Penalty, others do not. If one commits a crime in one State, and is captured in another. He must face Extradition (as between Countries).
The closest example I can give is this: Think of the USA as the European Union - Light.
Of course, not exactly. But perhaps it will give you some understanding.

The European Union is still very much only a trade union.
That EU will become the United States of Europe will probably never happen.
There is a difference between the meanings of state unions and united states.
Maybe an amendement to the name United States of America should be Sort Of, USASO:)
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Message 1837330 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 14:22:40 UTC - in response to Message 1837326.  

In other words: "We the people" is only applicable for Politicians, Lawyers & Lobbyists.

btw, when did you add a 51st state?
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Message 1837332 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 14:27:56 UTC - in response to Message 1837330.  

50 states and Washington DC.
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Message 1837337 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 14:47:05 UTC - in response to Message 1837324.  

"We the people" seems to me have different meanings in the USA depending in which state you live in.

Yes.

WHY? shouldn't it mean the same throughout all 50 states?

In some places it is read, "We the Red Necks" others "We the White Males" others "We the Landlords"
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Message 1837339 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 15:00:23 UTC - in response to Message 1837332.  

50 states and Washington DC.



Well, more precisely, 50 Constitutional Republics (the States) and the Federal Constitutional Republic (which also has exclusive jurisdiction over the capital district (Washington D.C.)).

50 + 1... 51 different Governments, internally. Externally, only the Federal Government has much relevance.

Also, eariler, Clyde called the USA the 'EU-lite'... I would say it is the other way around, especially since the USA existed well before the EU.

The EU is the 'USA-lite'. They are not anywhere near as far down the path as the USA is... And they SHOULD take warning lest what happened to US happens to THEM.

@ Janneseti,

The EU is just a trade union?

It has a Government. It issues Passports. It collects taxes. It passes laws. It even has a military (see Article 42).

'Just a Trade Union'? I disagree.
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Message 1837340 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 15:00:45 UTC - in response to Message 1837337.  

"We the people" seems to me have different meanings in the USA depending in which state you live in.

Yes.

WHY? shouldn't it mean the same throughout all 50 states?

In some places it is read, "We the Red Necks" others "We the White Males" others "We the Landlords"
Not to mention 'We the Supercilious Welfare State Liberalists"(Californicate comes immediately to mind).

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Message 1837342 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 15:09:55 UTC - in response to Message 1837339.  
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50 states and Washington DC.

The EU is just a trade union?
It has a Government. It issues Passports. It collects taxes. It passes laws. It even has a military (see Article 42).
'Just a Trade Union'? I disagree.

Issues Passports. Nope
Collects taxes. Nope
Passes laws. Some
Has a military. Hehe:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps
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Message 1838438 - Posted: 29 Dec 2016, 5:18:01 UTC

"I'm Donald Trump and I approved this message..............."

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4351026/clinton-1995-immigration-sotu

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Message 1838444 - Posted: 29 Dec 2016, 5:24:17 UTC



Thank you Ex.
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Message 1838667 - Posted: 29 Dec 2016, 23:20:04 UTC - in response to Message 1838627.  



Well, the intent was to avoid 'direct' democracy as much as possible. Remember, it is not the People that elect the President, but the State Governments. The People elected their own State's Government, after all.

Direct Democracy = Mob Rule...
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

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Message 1838713 - Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 1:59:37 UTC - in response to Message 1838667.  



Well, the intent was to avoid 'direct' democracy as much as possible. Remember, it is not the People that elect the President, but the State Governments. The People elected their own State's Government, after all.

Twas supposed to be one person one vote. The subjects used to have votes but only the land owners votes counted. Seems why blood was spilled.

Direct Democracy = Mob Rule...

That's why you require super-majorities, like 75% of eligible voters.


Say, how about this, 25% of voters can pass an item to reduce a budget deficit, e.g. cut spending, but 75% of voters are needed to increase it?
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Message 1838787 - Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 11:22:27 UTC

Going out on a high note?

1st the Israel uproar & now this: Russia

What's he going to do for an encore?
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Message 1838806 - Posted: 30 Dec 2016, 12:36:23 UTC - in response to Message 1838805.  

Going out on a high note?

1st the Israel uproar & now this: Russia

What's he going to do for an encore?

Just a response to a feckless and weak sitting President. Nothing more.

...so nothing to do with causing difficulties for an incoming president then...
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