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Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
David still works at SSL and will continue to be the director of Seti. A title which has been largely symbolic for many years now, though I've recently seen him working on some code under the project codename 'nebula'. Although so far it looks a bit like my data distribution history, working out which workunits came from which tape. |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
That's the feeling I got from the document, which is arguably narcissistic in construct. That's not the first time I heard that. Funny what a difference a day can make to understanding the big picture :) "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Has anyone considered long-term fundraising via Boinc Utopia. I really don't consider it crowd fundraising. Milkyway has raised over $4,000 there and I would be more then happy to offer to manage the efforts to do such fundraising if interested. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
A question I have is where does the Boinc code that we down load reside and how is that server paid for? |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
The BOINC source code is at GitHub, which is a web-based Git repository hosting service on an open source server. The BOINC executables, forums, etc. are on the BOINC domain run from a server in Berkeley's co-location. |
petri33 Send message Joined: 6 Jun 02 Posts: 1668 Credit: 623,086,772 RAC: 156 |
Before you ask "what about crowd-funding", it was one of the first things I asked David when I got the news. He answered me: I think it would be very expensive to develop some water to not to fill the void their fingers would leave once dipped into a cup and raised back up. To overcome Heisenbergs: "You can't always get what you want / but if you try sometimes you just might find / you get what you need." -- Rolling Stones |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
How interesting that when the money dried up it was no longer "for the science". |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
Greetings, I just looked at the BOINC Project Governance page. My memory is a bit murky of late, but I seem to remember some sort of controversy centered around Bruce Allen of Einstein@Home. Can someone with better memory elaborate on this, or set me straight on whatever it is that is planted in my brain. I cannot remember any details; I only know that there was some major discussion centered around Bruce Allen. .oO(I thought that name looked quite familiar for some reason...) Any info would be greatly appreciated! :) Keep on BOINCing...! :) CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Greetings, I'm not aware of any controversy surrounding Bruce Allen. He is described on the Einstein home page as Director of Einstein@Home; I believe he mainly works out of Hannover these days: that's where I met him in 2011 and took this photograph of him with the rest of the Einstein team, staff and volunteer moderators. (Prof. Allen is kneeling front left, not wearing a hat) He is also well known for developing monitoring tools for the S.M.A.R.T. hard disk self-checking protocol. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6983 http://www.smartmontools.org/ |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
Greetings Richard, Well... As mentioned, my memory is a bit murky these days. I searched the fora here and only found 2 mentions of Bruce. I went to the Einstein forum, searched there and found only 1 mention. Heck, for all I know I could be mixing Bruce up with Paul Allen. Who knows? ;) There's just this tiny little bell ringing in the back of my mind... :\ Thanks Richard, I'll just let this drop. :) Keep on BOINCing...! :) CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
How interesting that when the money dried up it was no longer "for the science". The three main BOINC developers have always been paid personnel. The past 12 years they have been full-time contributors, programming the BOINC client, the back-end, the forums, and helped several projects and 3rd party developers bring working science applications, add-ons and special versions of the BOINC client to fruition. These three developers have their own homes and mortgages, families with needs, hobbies that cost money, friends that demand attention. If you really feel it was money first, or that these people should've done all this programming, day and night, through vacations, through hardship and joy, out of the goodness of their heart, you just have got to be kidding. Are you doing your job for nought? Then why should the BOINC developers have had to? As for BOINC its intention, best read its original white paper. I guess it managed all that and more. |
bluestar Send message Joined: 5 Sep 12 Posts: 7031 Credit: 2,084,789 RAC: 3 |
Definitely make a "point" of it. Assume it is "weighted" and in the end it is supposed to be good science... |
Sir_Spuddly_Buddly Send message Joined: 2 May 15 Posts: 17 Credit: 659,628 RAC: 0 |
Seems like Folding@home did the right thing many years ago. The House of Ni! |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Seems like Folding@home did the right thing many years ago. I'm slowly learning that, for some institutionalised mindsets, it's very difficult to see how small teams, or groups of teams, are so effective. I think perhaps the project governance dictate requires a counter proposal, if the Boinc infrastructure is to survive. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Cactus Bob Send message Joined: 19 May 99 Posts: 209 Credit: 10,924,287 RAC: 29 |
I wasn't aware Folding didn't use BOINC, until now that is. Interesting Bob Sometimes I wonder, what happened to all the people I gave directions to? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SETI@home classic workunits 4,321 SETI@home classic CPU time 22,169 hours |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Now *imagine if* there was a way folding@home's team might be encouraged to show us what they've learned, in exchange for what we've learned (that's been actively suppressed). "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
what we've learned (that's been actively suppressed). Isn't it just. And no, I don't know what he means either. Jason, would you mind unsupressing it here, please? |
William Send message Joined: 14 Feb 13 Posts: 2037 Credit: 17,689,662 RAC: 0 |
Ok, first imagine some pretty coarse language. I'm not going to write since a) I would have to self-mod me and b) I don't have a good command of coarse languae. So just imagine the worst you can and you are probably pretty close to what I'd be writing if I was the person to write such things. Second @Jord April eh? We should have known. we knew he was applying for funding, when he didn;t say he'd aquired it we should have known... We (i.e. Richard and I) figured _something_ was going on when that Project Governance draft turned up. Why work to the last second without saying anything? The change could have been so much smoother if we'd known. Oh well. No crying over split milk eh? Third No crying over spilt milk. The cataclysm has happened, now we need to look at the broken pieces and decide how to go on. [in fact some 'we' already are] As always in such cases, you can quit, you can start new and you can try to salvage. Fourth Strange that we are all quite agreed that a commitee doesn;t really work for this - you can convince one person (like talking to David until he sees reason) but to convince a group of people is somethign else entirely. If we know that, why the heck did 'they' think it would work? I never wanted push rights. Now I feel I should have made sure I had them. [not that anybody in their right mind would have given them to me :D] Fifth Somebody please fix my coffee machine. A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read. (Mark Twain) |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I think people are picking out the word 'committee', and imagining it in the wrong context. I've written extensively elsewhere about my experience of a development project team in the 1990s. As a practical, working, day-to-day tool, nothing beats teamwork (even if ours worked fortnight-to-fortnight). But in writing about software development, it didn't even seem necessary to state the obvious - that the team operated under the umbrella of a limited company legal structure, with a board of directors. My view is that we should allow a reasonable amount of time for the project management committee - BOINC's board of directors - to convene a teleconference after the 4th of July holiday weekend - say 72 hours. And then ask them their preliminary views on what software teams they're going to convene to continue the actual, practical, work. |
William Send message Joined: 14 Feb 13 Posts: 2037 Credit: 17,689,662 RAC: 0 |
ROFLMAO Sorry Richard, I don't think I can explain what is making me laugh that hard at your comment :D Yes, with the right group of people it _can_ work. But is it the right group of people? I think that is where we are having our doubts. I usually have no problem in letting people try to live up to their promises and expectations first and hit them over the head when they fall short or mess up. In this I am a bit reluctant of letting them mess it up, I feel too much depends on a contiunued smooth running. (*) On the other hand I don't quite see how I can prevent 'them' making silly mistakes. (*) Not that it was running smoothly :D But at least it was bumping along. A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read. (Mark Twain) |
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