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Message 1731282 - Posted: 2 Oct 2015, 22:19:04 UTC

Ugh..stopping all Windows Updates then. I want no part of my 7 box being autoupgraded to 10


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Message 1731283 - Posted: 2 Oct 2015, 22:22:00 UTC

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED!

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!


"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 1732707 - Posted: 8 Oct 2015, 1:28:58 UTC

Some old known updates got re-released, and there's some new ones to avoid.

So.. let's update my color-coded list, shall we?

(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".
KB 2957026 - This update makes feature changes and improvements to the Windows 8.1 Upgrade notification in Windows 8 or Windows RT. After you install this update, the upgrade will be more discoverable and faster.
KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
KB 2977759 - This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
KB 2990214 - Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.
KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.
KB 3022345 - Update to enable the Diagnostics Tracking Service in Windows (Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1)
KB 3035583 - This update installs the "Get Windows 10" notification on Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
KB 3065987 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (note: some google results suggest this may be part of the win 10 nagware upgrade, but it hasn't been confirmed)
KB 3068708 - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3075249 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels.
KB 3075851 - This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 and also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions.
KB 3080149 - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices.
KB 3083324 - Mysterious update that claims to be an update for Windows Update Client in Windows 7. No further information is known.
KB 3083710 - New Update Client for Windows 7. No further details about it.
KB 3083711 - New Update Client for Windows 8.1. No further details about it.

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record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)
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Message 1732709 - Posted: 8 Oct 2015, 1:45:42 UTC - in response to Message 1731184.  


"The downloaded files are simply a system update which enable a client to have a simpler upgrade experience, when they would decide to upgrade to Windows 10 in the future."
Uhuh.

Nor in experience, that statement is total BS.
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Message 1732931 - Posted: 8 Oct 2015, 17:16:33 UTC - in response to Message 1731283.  

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED!

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!


now you're being silly, your mixing up the Borg with the Daleks ;-)

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Message 1732933 - Posted: 8 Oct 2015, 17:28:59 UTC

Daleks are evolved Borg...

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Message 1732954 - Posted: 8 Oct 2015, 18:28:55 UTC

Cosmic - Thanks for posting the updated list of dubious Windoze updates
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Message 1733080 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 5:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 1732954.  

Cosmic - Thanks for posting the updated list of dubious Windoze updates

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Message 1733198 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 16:25:05 UTC

Just checked Windows update and found the following -

KB2952664 & KB3075851 raised their ugly heads again, and a new one KB3083710 & KB3083711, which deals with telemetry in Win 7 & 8.1.


I don't buy computers, I build them!!
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Message 1733202 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 16:49:13 UTC

Additionally, reports are coming in that KB3035583 is now released as an important update on both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.
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Message 1733204 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 16:57:41 UTC - in response to Message 1733202.  

Additionally, reports are coming in that KB3035583 is now released as an important update on both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.

Yes, I've had to re-hide that one on a couple of machines so far. But I'm waiting for next Tuesday/Wednesday to see if we get a block of them all together. In the meantime, I've just scribbled 3083710 on the bottom of the Windows 7 list I keep beside each monitor.
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Message 1733207 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 17:02:06 UTC

I got 3035583 reissued as Optional/Recommended, despite that I already have it installed. It's the only patch of the GWX files that I'm allowing on my system, still no signs of the GWX icon or secret Windows 10 uploads to my system.

SO I guess I have to reinstall it. ;-)
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Message 1733208 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 17:02:21 UTC - in response to Message 1732707.  

So.. let's update my color-coded list, shall we?

(Red for 8.1, Blue for 7, Green for either/both):


I do have slight red/green color blindness, so I can't see differences on Your list.

I can see difference in Your code -explanation, but not in list when red/green is next to each other.

That's how slight is my color blindness is. And of course, my TFT is not so high quality, colors do change when I move my head.

So would it be possible to modify list, like red=standard / blue=bold / green=italics?
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Message 1733209 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 17:04:21 UTC

Greetings,

It would be great if Micro$oft would leave my hidden updates hidden. I keep having to re-hide them. It's clear to me that Micro$oft wants it ALL their way and not our way when it comes to OUR PCs.

I need to put more time into getting a few Window$ programs to run in Wine on Linux Mint. I need to get our network up to speed first, that will happen at the end of the month-ish. :)

I have Window$ Update turned completely off because I have found that when it runs it now sucks massive amounts of RAM and makes the PC run in a herky jerky fashion. Once it is done the used RAM goes back to normal and the PC settles down. I have updates up to but not including May this year installed. I don't trust Micro$oft and will not install any from May 2015 on.

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Message 1733212 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 17:08:42 UTC - in response to Message 1733209.  
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It would be great if Micro$oft would leave my hidden updates hidden.

They're just reissuing the patches with some new code in them, so it's then essentially a new file, with a new md5 hash if you want. So that's why it's again showing up in the list.
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Message 1733242 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 20:29:49 UTC
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I must admit, I had some real problems when I first upgraded to Win 10. However, in hind sight, I was also pushing the limits of my hardware and playing with my video drivers at the same time. At this point everything is latest greatest, all power, buss ratios and memory settings are at stock levels and I am having absolutely no problems. My Surface 3 Tablet on the other hand...

My rig:

AMD FX-8350 at 4100~4300mhz
16gigs of G-Skill Ripjaws RAM at 1600mhz
2-Powercolor R9 280Xs 1030/1500mhz
Gigabyte GA970-UD3 MOBO
Samsung EVO 850 SSD
EVGA Supernova P2 1200W PSU

And another question? How much RAM are you people using? My Rig easily utilizes 5gigs of the 16 installed. It only slightly bogs down when I have need for the GPU for other tasks ie; Netflix, YouTube or Windows Media Player with G-Force visualizations running... Otherwise, no hiccups...

In the end, I really think this whole spying/performance issue thing has been overblown, especially in light of the smart phones many of us have been using for years. Get over it.
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Message 1733266 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 21:43:12 UTC - in response to Message 1733242.  
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And another question? How much RAM are you people using? My Rig easily utilizes 5gigs of the 16 installed.


My daily driver has 32GB DDR3 2400MHz RAM. My average RAM use fluctuates between 5-8GB, but has several spikes depending on what application I'm using. With some of my games, it spikes up to 12GB (I also heavily multitask when gaming), and when I'm using Handbrake or 7Zip it can spike up to 20-24GB used.

It only slightly bogs down when I have need for the GPU for other tasks ie; Netflix, YouTube or Windows Media Player with G-Force visualizations running... Otherwise, no hiccups...


Yep. And for those occasions, I simply use a GPU exclusion as 90% of the time the lag is from too many things stressing the GPU at once. Though that doesn't work for Netflix since it runs in a browser, and if I put in a browser GPU exclusion, my GPU would never get used by BOINC. :-)

In the end, I really think this whole spying/performance issue thing has been overblown, especially in light of the smart phones many of us have been using for years. Get over it.


Speaking as a privacy advocate, I agree. Though I am glad there's watchdog groups keeping an eye on Microsoft's behavior to call out anything nasty, or at least to inform us of what is going on.
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Message 1733275 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 22:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 1733242.  

In the end, I really think this whole spying/performance issue thing has been overblown, especially in light of the smart phones many of us have been using for years. Get over it

I call it theft when someone else uses the bandwidth I pay for.
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Message 1733277 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 22:27:34 UTC - in response to Message 1733275.  

In the end, I really think this whole spying/performance issue thing has been overblown, especially in light of the smart phones many of us have been using for years. Get over it

I call it theft when someone else uses the bandwidth I pay for.


So I assume you have lawsuits out against every cell-phone provider, game manufacturer, and software developer?
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Message 1733285 - Posted: 9 Oct 2015, 23:40:45 UTC - in response to Message 1733209.  
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... OUR PCs.

I need to put more time into getting a few Window$ programs to run in Wine on Linux Mint. I need to get our network up to speed first, that will happen at the end of the month-ish. :)

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Keep on BOINCing...! :)

That reminds me of my convert-over period...

I had 6 years of dev projects on win 3.11 wfwg, far too many hours with MS C++ and a lot of careful interprocess working and then... WinXP still didn't have certain critical needed features that we'd been teased along to wait for...

Meanwhile, the graphical desktops for Linux had developed along nicely and... ALL our code recompiled on Linux with nothing more than adding some shim code to de-Microsoft some of the interfaces. The real beauty for some of my work was that the great care needed to make multiple tasks behave nicely was no longer needed. All the tasks ran and communicated very nicely with no extra special tweaking needed. For the sake of productivity, I was kicking myself for not converting sooner...


Which comes too...

Wine was very good and also very subversive...

That environment teased me to linger on with some Windows ways for way past their sell-by date...

Far easier, but much more of a jolt, is to take a day or a week to fully convert to whichever choice of new apps/ways.

I lingered on Wine for about 6 months until hitting a second "Why didn't I change sooner" moment!


(Then again, that was at the time that Wine ran s@h + setiqueue & setimon faster than Windows!)

All just my own humble personal observation/opinion...


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