"Bad Design" Debunked in a Fish: It Actually Achieves the Impossible

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Message 1443889 - Posted: 18 Nov 2013, 22:42:16 UTC

"Bad Design" Debunked in a Fish: It Actually Achieves the Impossible


Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

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Message 1443949 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 1:14:29 UTC
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impossible (adj.)
1) Incapable of having existence or of occurring.
2) Not capable of being accomplished.


The fish exists. The fish occurred. The fish has been accomplished.

Therefore, not impossible.

Q.E.D.?


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Message 1443965 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 1:44:14 UTC - in response to Message 1443889.  

"Bad Design" Debunked in a Fish: It Actually Achieves the Impossible

Or bad assumptions by the authors of the article.

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Message 1444019 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 6:46:35 UTC - in response to Message 1443965.  

"Bad Design" Debunked in a Fish: It Actually Achieves the Impossible

Or bad assumptions by the authors of the article.

Seeing as it came out Novemeber 7th. Id say wait for the peer review to debunk it.
And even if they agree doesnt mean I.D. did it. Just means nature does pick a winner now and then by chance.
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Message 1444071 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 12:27:17 UTC

Just means nature does pick a winner now and then by chance.

Exactly. End of Story.

Nothing to see here folks, please move on.

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Message 1444123 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 17:49:55 UTC

This reminds me of all the old stories about how "science" proved bees can't fly. What it really meant was "science" at the time didn't understand how bees fly.



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Message 1444167 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 19:24:38 UTC

The research was valuable enough to be supported by three grants from the National Science Foundation and another grant from the Office of Naval Research.


TaxPaya dOugh fO Intelligent Design.

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Message 1444195 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 20:46:38 UTC - in response to Message 1444167.  

Read the PNAS study. It says nothing about intelligent design. What it does show is that experimental data (i.e. how the fish moves) can lead to new understanding of the mechnaics of motion. Just because the fish does something we didn't think was efficient does not prove that it must have been designed. Perhaps ID supporters would like to actually go out and generate some data to favor their hypothesis, rather than searching desperately in other peoples work for some hint of ID.....


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Message 1444196 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 20:48:05 UTC - in response to Message 1443889.  

If the fish achieved it, then it can't be impossible. Poor title...


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Message 1444246 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 23:09:28 UTC - in response to Message 1444167.  

The research was valuable enough to be supported by three grants from the National Science Foundation and another grant from the Office of Naval Research.


TaxPaya dOugh fO Intelligent Design.

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Ah, a man who gets it. We can't speak of the science. This has been moved to politics.

;-) +1! LOL!


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Message 1444247 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 23:11:12 UTC

To the rest of you,

This is a poltics thread. Your lack of understanding about science is not welcome in the politics thread.

Please stay on topic and that would be the poltics of this link.


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Message 1444363 - Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 5:52:00 UTC - in response to Message 1444247.  

To the rest of you,

This is a poltics thread. Your lack of understanding about science is not welcome in the politics thread.

Please stay on topic and that would be the poltics of this link.

What does that mean?
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Message 1444459 - Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 12:28:43 UTC - in response to Message 1444246.  

The research was valuable enough to be supported by three grants from the National Science Foundation and another grant from the Office of Naval Research.


TaxPaya dOugh fO Intelligent Design.

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Ah, a man who gets it. We can't speak of the science. This has been moved to politics.

;-) +1! LOL!



Except the research had nothing to do with ID...

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Message 1444714 - Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 21:00:20 UTC - in response to Message 1444459.  

The research was valuable enough to be supported by three grants from the National Science Foundation and another grant from the Office of Naval Research.


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Ah, a man who gets it. We can't speak of the science. This has been moved to politics.

;-) +1! LOL!



Except the research had nothing to do with ID...


It proves Intelligent Design. ;-)
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Message 1444716 - Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 21:04:59 UTC - in response to Message 1444714.  



It proves Intelligent Design. ;-)


We have all agreed this really isn't a topic for science, and I'm convinced it is not really a topic for politics. Can we start a sub-forum for rainbows and unicorns? It might fit there.

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Message 1444723 - Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 21:19:17 UTC - in response to Message 1444716.  



It proves Intelligent Design. ;-)


We have all agreed this really isn't a topic for science, and I'm convinced it is not really a topic for politics. Can we start a sub-forum for rainbows and unicorns? It might fit there.


Ah, another student of Saul Alinsky. Saul Alinsky's 12 Rules for Radicals...

Try debate...

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Message 1444771 - Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 22:20:46 UTC
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read the actual article that this tripe was quoted from... Nothing written makes mention of ID. See here's the problem, Scientists discover something about nature and ID enthusiast shout that they've just shown How ID WORKS. Rubbish. pure rubbish.

Let's also not forget that the article was not about creationism. it was written to show have the side to side or even up and down motions used in locomotion allow animals to move and change direction rapidly. Hardly a representation of a paper on ID. Reading more into what a scientist writes is only a fools game especially when once again the readers scientific knowledge is poor at best and ignorant at worst


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Message 1478471 - Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 22:53:24 UTC - in response to Message 1443889.  

Nothing 'Is' Impossible when The Great Designer is At The Helm.

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Message 1478564 - Posted: 18 Feb 2014, 5:30:55 UTC
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I wonder if 2 posters here belong too this fellow's congregation?

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/pastor-donny-reagan-rails-against-interracial-marriage-in-viral-sermon/story-fnet09p2-1226830084099

But here's a piece on evolution, from the water to land. ;-)

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/worldfirst-research-at-flinders-university-shows-how-fish-first-learnt-how-to-breathe-air-and-evolved-into-land-animals/story-fnjwl2dr-1226809005636

Cheers.

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Message 1478572 - Posted: 18 Feb 2014, 5:42:55 UTC - in response to Message 1478471.  

Nothing 'Is' Impossible when The Great Designer is At The Helm.

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(Blush)...

You charmer you! :-)

My New Pope says you'll get a chance at the 7th cloud all the same... ;-)
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