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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19129 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
If Noah's ark actually contained two of every animal, plant, bacteria, fungus, it would have been hundreds of miles long. What would all those animals eat? There would have been a huge problem with waste, and we would all be inbred, susceptible to deformities and diseases. It was probably the forming of the Black Sea, in about 5,600BC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis Which puts it recent enough for stories to be told before being written up, greatly changed, as it is in the Bible. |
musicplayer Send message Joined: 17 May 10 Posts: 2430 Credit: 926,046 RAC: 0 |
Is it not easy to assume that the Bible is self-teaching (or self-learning), meaning that we try to be able to understand its meaning from the words it is consisting of? Because some of us are supposed to be religious people, we similarly make religion from what the Bible is supposedly trying to tell us. Same goes with science. Some fields have an underlying structure where things are known or thought of as widely being accepted or granted. Isaac Newton's laws are known to be fundamental in physics, but still there were a couple of things that was known to physicists even before his time. Today, Newton's laws of physics are either replaced or complemented by the laws of relativity. In addition, quantum mechanics theories as well as chaos theories are trying to explain certain things within the field of physics. The behavior of elementary particles can not be readily explained from a macro-cosmos perspective, only from a micro-cosmos perspective. The laws dealing with the subject of randomness and chaos are laws on their own. Newton's laws are dealing only with a couple of things which may appear to be more or less straightforward, even though his third law is a quite complex one. New laws in physics as well as other places comes from existing knowledge. New theories appear as a result of already known facts and in order to be proven scientifically, these theories become subject to rigorous testing and experimentation. As an example of this: From a total eclipse of the Sun by the Moon in 1919, it was found that the positions of the background stars compared with the position of the sun had slightly changed. In this way it was proven that gravity bends light, a theory which was postulated by means of Albert Einstein's first theory of relativity of 1905. If I am not wrong, Albert Einstein's first theory of 1905 was called Einstein's special theory of relativity. Einstein's follow up theory of 1915-1916 was similarly his general theory of relativity. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Like many Bible stories... I assume it happened like this: Some dude named Noah got stuck in a flood. This dude was rich and had a boat. With this boat he saved some of his neighbors and a few animals. He was such a nice guy that they wrote a story about it. The story is altered. And altered. And altered. And altered. And, well you get it. In the end, the stories always become larger than life. I'm pretty sure Jesus was a cool dude too. But like all the other stories, I think his stories also became larger than life. #resist |
musicplayer Send message Joined: 17 May 10 Posts: 2430 Credit: 926,046 RAC: 0 |
Still discussing God? I am somewhat inclined to belive it is somewhat difficult to make a distinction between Moses and Noah. Anyway, some part of history tells me that Moses was leading his people on a migration from slavery possibly in a country (maybe Egypt) where they were suffering from slavery. Either they were able to escape, or they became released from their prison. If history is telling the correct thing, they wanted to cross the Red Sea, something which was impossible to do. Again, they were supposed to have received help, namely from what we may believe could have been God. Apparently an earthquake occurred, the Red Sea got a dry passage for Moses and his people to cross on dry land. If for some reason Moses and his people were pursued, their pursuers were just a little late. The incoming water which once more returned to its original position drowned these pursuers with Moses and his people just escaping the enormous water masses from the ocean returning back, possibly by means of a mega tsunami. Which shows us that history and the Bible seems to go hand in hand. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Gary, that is a very interesting paradox you posit. If it is someone else's thought I still thank you. Actually, your post here, and some other recent posts, quite remind me of the ending of A.C. Clarke's "Rama" quadrology. As for Blank and Dull's posts, I think Blank hit the nail on the head pretty well, because Dull is the type of guy to ignore the defenses I provide in favor of places where I disagree with him or the community, just so, as Blank says, Dull can create a wound a pour lemon juice on it. Go for it, Dull, rave about me being a professor. Rave on, while my full reality passes you by, so that we can make assumptions about you, never really knowing your full reality. Because, ultimately, that's how you like it. [EDIT]Crap. I just agreed with Blank on something, but as he recently said, I don't give him things to agree with me on. In the end, his quote "evidence means nothing to me" rings down the tunnel of time 5 years later.[/EDIT] |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Some dude called Noah, at some indeterminate point in history was forewarned some time in advance, some say 2-3 years, by 3rd parties unknown, that a serious flood was going to happen in his neighbourhood. He was apparently given precise instructions on how to build a wooden ship to survive this flood, and what he was supposed to embark as the cargo. The vessels dimensions were to be roughly 450 feet long x 75 feet wide, and 45 feet in height. Who said 10 months to a year, Chris?!? The lines is "40 days and 40 nights ...". Not that that makes the story true or untrue, either. But I do not recall any version of the story where it stretched 10-12 months. |
Julie Send message Joined: 15 May 12 Posts: 279 Credit: 126,042 RAC: 0 |
Noah and his family were in the ark for about 370 days (by calculations of the author of the source). Below is a breakdown, which might also help answer your question if you were only wanting to know how long the earth was covered with water. His answer was based on adding these numbers together: 40 --the number of days it rained (Gen 7:17) 110 --the number of days "the waters prevailed on the earth" (Gen 7:24) 73 -the number days the waters "decreased" ( Gen 8:4,5) 40 --assuming "end of forty days" followed the previous 73 days (Gen 8:6) 7 --days waiting for the dove to return 7--days waiting for the second time he sent out the dove 7 --days waiting till he sent out the third dove 29 --days needed to finish out "601 year, 1st month, 1st day" (Gen 8:13) 57 --days needed to finish out "2nd month, 27th day, the earth was dried" ____ 370 Days Then God told them to leave the ark (Gen 8:15,16) Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_did_Noah's_flood_last#ixzz1xANUNkSF I am not fluent in bible speak, but I think his math is flawed, but mebbe not. I think he counted 40 twice, I don't know. Removing that 40, that's 330 days and that's about 10.5 months... It could have been a global event, because many civilizations have mythological stories involving floods. What if they were all retellings of an older great flood? Here is a compilation of flood legends that have a similar ring to the story of Noah. http://www.nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html Things that make ya go hmmm...? I has a MiniCity :) http://en-ki-du.myminicity.com |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19129 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Never mind God, do you know there is no reliable scientific archaeology evidence that King David existed. |
Julie Send message Joined: 15 May 12 Posts: 279 Credit: 126,042 RAC: 0 |
Never mind God, do you know there is no reliable scientific archaeology evidence that King David existed. There may be. One never knows when dealing with unravelling mysteries that are thousands of years old with languages no one really speaks, let alone really can understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avraham_Biran In 1966, Avraham Biran began the project with which he has been most famously identified: the excavations at Tel Dan in northern Israel, where he dug for more than 30 years. The 5,000-year-old "Tel" is a mound formed by layer-upon-layer of remnants from civilizations that once occupied the site. In the Tel, Biran discovered the largest religious site ever found that dates from the Israelite period. The excavations revealed fragments from the period when the Cannanite settlement of Laish was re-settled by the Israelite tribe of Dan, although this point is based on the Bible and no evidence has proven this. Dating from the earlier period of the patriarchs, Biran excavated an arched gate, as well as a tremendous dirt wall that surrounded the city. Biran also found artifacts from the period of the Jewish monarchy – the city's defenses, walls and gates as well as the High Places of the Gate mentioned in the Bible. Biran's most important discovery at the Tel was an inscription on a slab of basalt, known as the Tel Dan Stele, that consists of 13 lines in ancient Canaanite script that mention The House of David. Regarding the significance of this inscription Hebrew University archaeologist Professor Amnon Ben-Tor said:[3] In this inscription, which dates to around 800 BCE, Biran believe that a king from the House of David is mentioned as being struck down in the battle with the Arameans. This is the only extra-Biblical source ever found to date that mentions the existence of the Davidic dynasty and it indeed is an extra-Biblical source that confirms the existence of David as a real historical figure. During the last few years a number of English and Scandinavian researchers have published works suggesting that the kingdoms (and figures) of David and Solomon are literary inventions rather than historical facts. If anything it adds spice to converstation. What if, what if not. I has a MiniCity :) http://en-ki-du.myminicity.com |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30726 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
There is a big issue with a big global flood. The speed of earth's rotation wold have changed. That is a lot of extra mass of water. That would leave clues. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19129 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I do know about that claim, but as the words were written in a language that does not use vowels, then the word translated as David could also mean Uncle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David#Archaeological_evidence Also the fortified places that have been claimed to be from the that period, have been found to be very similar to others that are believed to be of Egyptian origin. As I said, as yet there is no reliable definitive scientific proof of King David. |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
Remains of John the Baptist me@rescam.org |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
CV? Now that you're back it becomes somewhat worthwhile replying to your questions. CV is commonly an abbreviation of the Latin curriculum vitæ, "course of life". In the UK it is often used as the name of the document that in the US is referred to as a résumé. HTHs. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Remains of John the Baptist ‘However, the result from the metacarpal hand bone is clearly consistent with someone who lived in the early first century AD. Whether that person is John the Baptist is a question that we cannot yet definitely answer and probably never will. Not quite as definitive as the name of your link. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
There is a big issue with a big global flood. The speed of earth's rotation wold have changed. That is a lot of extra mass of water. That would leave clues. Why do you think that the flood was global? The known world was smaller and the population was also alot smaller.... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
There is a big issue with a big global flood. The speed of earth's rotation wold have changed. That is a lot of extra mass of water. That would leave clues. Do you doubt the truth of the Bible? Genesis: 7:17 The flood continued throughout the earth for 40 days, while the flood waters increased, lifting the ark so that it rose above the surface of the earth. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
known world... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
known world... Flooding to the point of mountain tops being submerged by 22 feet was localized and God lied about killing every living thing: Genesis: 7:1 The Lord said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I consider you godly among this generation. Or perhaps, something other than God made the living things outside the known world of the time, so God did not kill them as he did not make them in the first place ... I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
I will wipe from the face of the ground every living thing that I have made.†Now ask yourself : Why would a benevolent creator do something like that ?? |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
the bible states that it was to wipe away the wickedness of the world. Noah and his family were found to be the only truly good people left on earth. That being said, God has done similar things to the Hebrews. Like when Moses First went to the Mountain and received the commandments. He destroyed the tablets and god destroyed the idol worshipers. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
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