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Message 1225825 - Posted: 1 May 2012, 20:36:08 UTC - in response to Message 1225670.  

I never liked the term Survival of the fittest.

Perhaps a better term is "survival of the most easily adaptable"


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Message 1225833 - Posted: 1 May 2012, 20:47:30 UTC - in response to Message 1225825.  

There you go -- sounding like a Bain Capital sort of guy <giggle>

I never liked the term Survival of the fittest.

Perhaps a better term is "survival of the most easily adaptable"

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Message 1225859 - Posted: 1 May 2012, 21:26:20 UTC

Perhaps some here think I don't believe in Darwin?

This is not true. I do believe. I believe in his work, his book.

I don't believe in what was done to his work after his death. Neo-Darwinism, isn't correct.
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Message 1225861 - Posted: 1 May 2012, 21:27:48 UTC - in response to Message 1225655.  

Possibly picking up the Fibonacci series in nature is evidence of nature using
positive feed back when structuring/building various objects. To explain this
idea...Nature builds (1) and it works. So to progress it then adds another (1) so
now this structure has two. It still works and so to progress it adds (1) to the
(2) and it now has (3). Still it works but due to progress it tries to improve
on the structure so it now adds to the successful (3) the previous successful (2)
and now the structure has (5). If this still works it then progresses to adding to
the successful (5) the previous successful (3) so now this structure has (8). Nature
carries on doing this until such time as the progress stage finally fails to
produce a successful result. Nature must use some form of feed back when
attempting to construct things like cells for instance so maybe seeing the Fibonacci
summation series in nature is possibly evidence of this?


I think so. Please continue...
...so far so good. On the right track. :-)
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Message 1225874 - Posted: 1 May 2012, 22:10:28 UTC - in response to Message 1225859.  

I don't believe in what was done to his work after his death. Neo-Darwinism, isn't correct.

So you don't believe in DNA. Okay.

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Message 1225886 - Posted: 1 May 2012, 22:38:08 UTC - in response to Message 1225874.  

I don't believe in what was done to his work after his death. Neo-Darwinism, isn't correct.

So you don't believe in DNA. Okay.

Oh, I believe in DNA.

Last year I seen with my own eyes a sparrows [English import kind] eating off the fronts of cars in parking lots. Cars haven't been around but about 100 years and only about 50 of them years at speeds to smash bugs on the fronts of them. Id say thats rather fast for the evolutionary process.

Neo-Darwinism postulates that natural selection acts on---heritable (genetic) variations "on individuals" in populations and that mutations (especally random copying errors in DNA) give us the main source of these genetic variations. Because positive mutations "appear" to be rare, Neo-Darwinism tells us that evolution will be a slow, gradual process. Neo-Darwinism is also called the Modern Synthesis. Odd that Neo-Darwinism blends Darwin with DNA and yet objects to my blending of science and Faith. Darwin had no real proof that he was on the correct track, no more proof then I. So, then it was taken on fiath that Darwin was correct right up till we found DNA? Ah, but I do have that Faith Gene as my hold out card for trump, might not be the last trump care either...
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Message 1226003 - Posted: 2 May 2012, 3:19:48 UTC - in response to Message 1225886.  

I don't believe in what was done to his work after his death. Neo-Darwinism, isn't correct.

So you don't believe in DNA. Okay.

Oh, I believe in DNA.

Last year I seen with my own eyes a sparrows [English import kind] eating off the fronts of cars in parking lots. Cars haven't been around but about 100 years and only about 50 of them years at speeds to smash bugs on the fronts of them. Id say thats rather fast for the evolutionary process.

I think you don't understand evolution. What you describe is a learned behavior. It isn't that the beak of the bird has changed shape to better pick bugs off a windshield, which would be evolution.

Neo-Darwinism postulates that natural selection acts on---heritable (genetic) variations "on individuals" in populations and that mutations (especally random copying errors in DNA) give us the main source of these genetic variations. Because positive mutations "appear" to be rare, Neo-Darwinism tells us that evolution will be a slow, gradual process. Neo-Darwinism is also called the Modern Synthesis. Odd that Neo-Darwinism blends Darwin with DNA and yet objects to my blending of science and Faith. Darwin had no real proof that he was on the correct track, no more proof then I. So, then it was taken on fiath that Darwin was correct right up till we found DNA? Ah, but I do have that Faith Gene as my hold out card for trump, might not be the last trump care either...

Where do you get this will be slow? Look up Mendelian genetics. It didn't take centuries for those sweet peas to have different color blooms.

I think your assumptions are showing.

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Message 1226010 - Posted: 2 May 2012, 3:38:51 UTC

Look what has happened to the wolf since we intervened. Or more specifically just look at the dog breeds that we shaped in just 200 years.

All genetics.
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Message 1226015 - Posted: 2 May 2012, 3:49:19 UTC - in response to Message 1226010.  

Look what has happened to the wolf since we intervened. Or more specifically just look at the dog breeds that we shaped in just 200 years.

All genetics.


Nice of you to bring that up.

We use the Design we was given in nature.

We started when we became farmers.
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Message 1226193 - Posted: 2 May 2012, 13:48:03 UTC - in response to Message 1226015.  

Look what has happened to the wolf since we intervened. Or more specifically just look at the dog breeds that we shaped in just 200 years.

All genetics.


Nice of you to bring that up.

We use the Design we was given in nature.

We started when we became farmers.

Ah, ignore inconvenient facts, a requirement of belief.

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Message 1226378 - Posted: 2 May 2012, 21:36:26 UTC - in response to Message 1225241.  

Yes, have a good night Intelligent Design, Matt...have a good day...


If that is true it is either incompetent or malevolent. That is as clear as the glasses on your face.

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Message 1226391 - Posted: 2 May 2012, 21:54:36 UTC - in response to Message 1225261.  

There is evidence that the Fibonacci series does appear across various parts of nature, and in scientific areas. The unanswerable question of course is whether it was by deliberate design by a third party or parties unkown, or simply by evolution where the most fittest survive.


If one wishes to make an issue of this series then one must also explain all the series not found in nature at the same time. A hits out of millions is not unexpected. And in making claims for Fibonacci series one has to address the correct use of the word ALMOST describing its fit before going further. Almost means it is not a mathematically exact fit but rather one good enough for government work.

If you sat down with a sheet of blank paper to design a planet, you might to decide to base that design upon a set theme. Sounds a bit like the Norwegian Fiords in HHGTTG but you know what I mean.

Notwithstanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, I doubt we'll be finding any hidden blueprints very soon.


If one were to design a planet it is best to start off with Ringworld and then change the laws of nature so that it is stable. As in Time Bandits it would be better to start with with computers on day one along with several other good ideas.

It is at best malevolent to design in disease, suffering and death. That is just sadistic. Maybe the designer is a sadist. It never said it was a nice god. Its sales staff said that.

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Message 1226423 - Posted: 2 May 2012, 23:01:00 UTC

I'll wait on Nick.

....I have faith in him. :-)

Then I'll address the other issues.
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Message 1226441 - Posted: 2 May 2012, 23:28:13 UTC - in response to Message 1226393.  

If one were to design a planet it is best to start off with Ringworld and then change the laws of nature so that it is stable. As in Time Bandits it would be better to start with with computers on day one along with several other good ideas.

I think that Discworld by Douglas Adams has a lot more going for it ....



I think you mean Terry Pratchett. Personally I prefer D.N. Adams' works.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1226520 - Posted: 3 May 2012, 4:15:22 UTC

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Fibonacci sequence

golden spiral

nonlinear dynamics

chaos theory


And, a belief that diverse systems give a tangible or visible form to highly 'nonlinear dynamics' and have in common a 'unifying pattern' that are very much similar to results in 'chaos theory', which gives us the machinery for putting meaning to certain phenomena of 'nonlinear systems', which might be thought of as patterns, denoting Intelligence in the Design; God to most of us. 95% of us.

Open systems are they not?
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Message 1226533 - Posted: 3 May 2012, 4:59:33 UTC - in response to Message 1226520.  
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Ï€

Fibonacci sequence

golden spiral

nonlinear dynamics

chaos theory


And, a belief that diverse systems give a tangible or visible form to highly 'nonlinear dynamics' and have in common a 'unifying pattern' that are very much similar to results in 'chaos theory', which gives us the machinery for putting meaning to certain phenomena of 'nonlinear systems', which might be thought of as patterns, denoting Intelligence in the Design; God to most of us. 95% of us.

Open systems are they not?
:-)

Oh, I should add Im not the first to think along these lines.
...just sayin!

Good night folks!
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Message 1226598 - Posted: 3 May 2012, 8:56:41 UTC - in response to Message 1226533.  
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Not entirely sure what the arguments or the opinions expressed here are actually saying. A fractal can be a thing of immense beauty and complexity; yet, it follows a simple equation. Intelligent design ? Hardly, just Nature in the form of mathematics.

Try this for you Golden ratio fans. Take any two three digit numbers, add them together, Then add this sum to the second number. Next add this new sum to the previous sum and so on. When you get to the tenth sum divide it by the 9th sum and presto you will get 1.61 and possibly be able to round to 1.618. This is the golden ratio to a good approximation. Again structure and beauty hidden in our world and revealed by Mathematics. No design here just numbers--the way things have to be to be real in our world.

The spirals in cone flowers, pineapples, broccoli etc are what has to occur when new cells are produced and pushed out into the existing center of the flower. Same is true for the Hexagonal, close-pack of a bee hive. Not design just the way things are and must be.

All of the ills that befall the human body are not intelligent design but rather the imperfect result of selective evolution.
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Message 1226617 - Posted: 3 May 2012, 11:56:58 UTC - in response to Message 1226533.  
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denoting Intelligence in the Design; God to most of us. 95% of us.

Oh, I should add Im not the first to think along these lines.
...just sayin!


Yes, there is a severe lack of understanding of science in the majority of the population, but I think your estimate is quite skewed to favor your view. It is clear that some people prefer to draw their own conclusions instead of letting the data lead them to the right one.

All the more reason why we need better science curriculum taught in schools, and not that presumptuous crap taught by Intelligent Design. Just sayin.
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Message 1226635 - Posted: 3 May 2012, 13:00:24 UTC

A more correct datapoint is that in Europe, 25% say they are athiests, while in the US, only 15% say they are athiests.

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Message 1226649 - Posted: 3 May 2012, 13:47:58 UTC - in response to Message 1226635.  

[Off-topic] Things start to look really interesting when you look at the non-believer category, which includes Atheists and Agnostics (which I still argue that many Agnostics are Atheists whom are asking themselves the wrong question). I've seen some statistics that put the number as high as 30% of the population. ...and I wonder how much higher that number would be if Atheism weren't such a political career-killer or didn't carry the social stigma that it does.

Just sayin.
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