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Michele, with one L. She'll correct you on that. ;-) I suspected I would be corrected on the one or two Ls. As for your last two paragraphs, then it sounds like we're in agreement, except perhaps about the degree to which internal and external factors balance. As for the last example I posted Friday, using 3 generations was just throwing out a number, but still, success stories do not always occur in one generation. As for community colleges, as I began my teaching career at one (even though I had just prior been preparing to teach at the secondary level), I can say I do know what some people can manage to pull off, but I also watched others with tremendous struggles. I do not feel like jumping on the bandwagon of bringing up Steve Jobs and any adversities he experienced as a child for examples. But if he'd been born later, to a crack mom, remember, he might have been low functioning, fairly well functioning ... . But to be born to a crack mom and her drug use not affecting brain functioning, despite genes for genius? Getting a genius in that situation seems much less likely. The nature and nurture debate. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=65731&nowrap=true#1160599 | |
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As for your last two paragraphs, then it sounds like we're in agreement, except perhaps about the degree to which internal and external factors balance. I can agree with that. So the next logical step would be to find out which one of us is correct. As for the last example I posted Friday, using 3 generations was just throwing out a number, but still, success stories do not always occur in one generation. I understand that it was a randomly selected figure to illustrate that, according to your view, outside factors can delay one's success a few generations. In this day and age, I would largely disagree with that view. There's no outside factor that would prevent someone from getting out of the ghetto as a first generation "crack baby born without defects" other than their own attitude and approach to life (all internal). As for community colleges, as I began my teaching career at one (even though I had just prior been preparing to teach at the secondary level), I can say I do know what some people can manage to pull off, but I also watched others with tremendous struggles. Sure, there are people who struggle for various reasons. Of all those reasons, all of them have to do with the person and not outside factors (primarily if they allowed those outside factors to remain obstacles). I do not feel like jumping on the bandwagon of bringing up Steve Jobs and any adversities he experienced as a child for examples. But if he'd been born later, to a crack mom, remember, he might have been low functioning, fairly well functioning ... . But to be born to a crack mom and her drug use not affecting brain functioning, despite genes for genius? Getting a genius in that situation seems much less likely. The nature and nurture debate. I used Steve Jobs as an example. Steve was far from a genius. He was a charismatic salesman that demanded devotion to his ideas. I respect what he stood for, but I would not call him a genius. In fact, I used him because he was a normal but driven person that wanted to succeed. My point in all of this is that you don't have to be exceptional and you don't have to be a genius to better yourself and provide a means to live comfortably based upon the skills you've learned that are valuable to society. Any and all setbacks encountered can be traced back to poor decisions made by the individual and not preparing for outside factors. | |
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 Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound  Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1299 Credit: 2,386,757 RAC: 3,389  | |
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The Reason The Movement Will Fail. | |
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester  Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10325 Credit: 5,094,810 RAC: 6,276 | |
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Target identification. That is what is missing. | |
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The Reason The Movement Will Fail. Transcript: PICARD: They are not vermin. They are citizens of the Federation. I will not permit this outrage! | |
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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1299 Credit: 2,386,757 RAC: 3,389 | |
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You do not discuss, you gibber. | |
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Me I can sympathize with the 99%, My family came to America in 1850 from Ireland(I have an ancestor who was a Major General in the Union Army during the US Civil War, a contemporary of Major General Custer, Yeah that one), Even though the family and Myself are of French descent that is(there may be some Irish ancestry too, I just don't have that info, if It exists it's in Wexford Ireland somewhere out of My reach). The family was well off through hard work and were getting ahead until about 1929 when that all came crashing down, We had a business built from scratch in Culver City CA(started in 1912), My Grandpa became a Police Chief(appointed cause of the Family Business, not elected) and He later on became a City Councilman(I don't know when though), After that Dad held a job supervising delivery boys as a Route Manager for Newspaper Chain(Copley) and Grandpa opened up a Bicycle Shop after working as a Carpenter for MGM in Culver City CA(the Bicycle Shop still exists to this day I've heard in the City of Palms right where It was started at, MGM Studios are now Sony Studios), both are gone now and all I have are memories and some pics(Culver City in 1912 was mostly an empty place then), We were never a part of the 1%. Me I live out in the desert far from where I was born, I was born with some conditions that were overlooked by a Mom who wanted a perfect child and I became disabled cause of a fall in 2002(I wouldn't wish that on anyone, being disabled or breaking a bone, I didn't become disabled cause I wanted to, rather It was forced on Me by forces I could not control, birth and an accident that I wouldn't wish on anybody) as I'd broken My left leg and dislocated My right hip socket, it went back into place soon after(w/a thunk), I have no credit score or history anymore, I merely exist, I rarely go outside cause of My right knee having gone bad(I climb steps with My left leg only now) and cause I have light skin tone(My brother had the same skin tone as I do, He got skin cancer or carcinoma, He later died in May 2005 from Lung Cancer/Emphysema after being in the Navy for 20 Years in an Engine Room exposed to who knows what), For a long time I thought I was Blond, Turns out I'm a Strawberry Blond, who knew? I live on My own finally after taking care of My Mother until She died of cancer of the mouth(smoking I was told) at the age of 76, I get SSI and the check is not really adequate and although I'd like to rent elsewhere, I really don't have the income for that and I'm considered unemployable by both Government and Private Industry(I asked on My own), So now I do what I can and I make choices on what I do with My income after I pay My few bills(I can choose to replace something or to fix something and only within a narrow window of money), I even skimp on food for dinner just to make ends meet and have some extra money, I don't go out as It's not worth the drive, The SSI FBR needs to be doubled from $674 a month to $1348 and allow Me to save up to $10,000.00 legally(It's been $2,000.00 since 1989) and be able to buy a burial plot and not have It count as a resource against My income(I can die, but I like My Mom will be cremated and lay on someones shelf or worse scattered improperly like My Dads ashes were), all that must be too much to ask for I guess(some I know despise Me for collecting SSI instead of working, heartless and cruel people who only think of themselves), but so far I don't see any effort to do anything other than cut My throat(Rep. Paul Ryan rot in Hell), Meanwhile I wait as I would like to buy a house so that I don't have to climb any steps anymore as I can't afford to pay rent here forever as the owner is being nice to Me and such, But I know He could rent this place for $550.00 a month and I can only pay $320.00 or starve or go without phone and internet and then pay $550.00 a month for rent and that doesn't include electricity, gas or water(trash is included in the rent though). I don't have any debt at least, If My rent went up I'd have to move on to the street and that includes Grace(My big cat), My few living relatives have no room for Me or in the case of My sister in law, says I'm only welcome while Her grown children are there, they are always welcome(My Nephew if He had the room might take Me in, He makes payments on a mobilehome+land that is severely upside down value wise, but He's supporting a diabetic wife and Her autistic son all on His income as a Truck Driver, So there's no room there, the Nieces don't have any room or live with their Mom), She says I'm a stranger and She won't have a stranger living under Her roof(I'd be in Her Prayers She told Me, She became Catholic as did one Niece and My Deceased Brother as He lay dying, She wrote the will and I heard She tried to exclude Me, My Nephew told Me that and His Dad said He would never sign the will If I was excluded(He couldn't be forced, afterall He was dying) I didn't get much in any case as He died poor and too early He was 61, Grandpa died of loneliness at 82 as He outlasted 2 wives, My Great Grandpa died at age 87, prayers are nice and useless, bills and food and new blankets, etc, cost real money, prayers aren't accepted as cash, She's a Republican too, although I don't know who of the crazies She'll vote for though, crazier the better I say, My guess is that She'd vote for Huntsman probably, like He'll get nominated, yeah right, She's no tea partier though at least), So I'd be homeless, Grace She'd take in She said, Like Grace would stay, Without Me (She follows Me around like I'm Her whole world) She would run away looking for Me as She was a stray after having been dumped by someone before the shelter got Her and before I gave Her a loving home, So I can't bear to leave Grace there as I fear She'd get run over or something. So I just wait, as I'm too far away to protest as I just don't have the wherewithal to spare, although the spirit is willing. | |
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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1299 Credit: 2,386,757 RAC: 3,389 | |
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Me I can sympathize with the 99% | |
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Me I can sympathize with the 99%, ... As I think I said earlier. Not everyone is born with the same chances. To suggest that people who are poor are to blame is incredibly insulting, as shown by your story and the stories of other people I know. I consider myself lucky in that I have the health and the ability to support my self and my children. Even so, things have not been easy for me because of things outside my control. I can't imagine being in a situation like my friend who has two disabled children, one severely, and has been trying to get off welfare. The odds against her are huge, she hasn't given up, but no way is she ever going to be wealthy. Anyone who claims it is her fault is an ignorant moron. I hope this movement to deal with this huge disparity between the super rich and the rest of us gains momentum and some real change comes from it. ____________  In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams | |
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... I think you'll find that a lot of them are pretty well educated. ____________ In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams | |
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... And really well organized, after almost a month in the Park, they cleaned It up and Mayor Bloomberg after being criticized by 14 City Council Members and 1 Congress Person backed down. ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page | |
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10325 Credit: 5,094,810 RAC: 6,276 | |
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99% is well ... | |
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Oh blimey, now we got it as well ... As I think I said earlier. You sure you're not related to Harold Wilson? Not everyone is born with the same chances. To suggest that people who are poor are to blame is incredibly insulting, That is basically true, but I have found that in a lot of cases, disadvantaged people get to the stage where they can't be bothered and just give up, and resign themselves to a Grade C life. I consider myself lucky in that I have the health and the ability to support my self and my children. Even so, things have not been easy for me because of things outside my control. You had a head start on a lot of people by having a good upbringing, an advanced education, and an inbuilt grit to survive. Others even with that background, drop by the wayside. The odds against her are huge, she hasn't given up, but no way is she ever going to be wealthy. Anyone who claims it is her fault is an ignorant moron. That is the sort of person that clearly should be helped more than it appears she is being. No-one plans to have disabled children, and it is enough of a tragedy when it does happen, compounded by society not lending a helping hand. I hope this movement to deal with this huge disparity between the super rich and the rest of us gains momentum and some real change comes from it There is definitely an upswell of general public opinion that things need to change. Mainly because we seem to be entering into another world recession, and it's not only companies going bust it's countries as well. It's the man in the street that is suffering, whilst the clever rich maintain their status quo. Any guesses for the first ever worldwide strike? | |
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Oh blimey, now we got it as well ... Grade C life, Here Repugs want Charity to do the massive job of taking over for Supplemental Security Income(which isn't Social Security and is constitutional and has been since 1937, "promote the General Welfare" is in the Constitution, sure It's in the preamble, and that is a part of the US Constitution still and to go back to the dreadful conditions and sheer robber baron profits of the 19th century, when charity was supposed to solve everything, when that failed, History says State Governments started efforts since the Federal Government either wouldn't or couldn't do the job and then in 1972 SSI was signed into law for every eligible Citizen to join, by then President Richard M. Nixon, a Republican who was every bit the anti communist, He was very compassionate though, He didn't want the USA to return to the cheapskate and uncaring ways of the 19th Century, Where diseases like cholera ran unchecked cause of no clean water or the air and the water were killing people cause of industrial pollution and yet profits by a few were were truly a killing, people back then who were paid pennies a day, worked for corporations, shopped all of what little they earned at the corporate store and lived in miserable(compared to what We have now)corporate shacks, some like the Kochs(David and Crane only) want all of that to return and along with It the power to revolt and be an illegitimate usurper in revolt. As Corporations had their own police forces and were not too far away from having their own private armies. When I grew up I was into US History and yeah It was a taught course that was required for graduation and should be again... I think some people actually don't know history, those are the ones in the tea party, don't know Yer history, then Yer doomed to repeat it, unless there are enough people around who do, like Me or similar to Me. At one time history says some people hated the Irish, now today You could substitute Irish for Gay or Black for Disabled and It would still be true, as there are still bigoted people out there, Me I'm both Irish and Disabled and French and English, I know what a combo. ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page | |
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99% is well ... Really Gary? That's your argument? How about the fact that the protesters put raised funds together to pay for the park cleaning themselves? I also am pretty sure that you are not one of the 1%, so I don't understand why you think the protesters aren't on your side. ____________ In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams | |
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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1299 Credit: 2,386,757 RAC: 3,389 | |
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the protesters aren't on your side. | |
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Wall Street protesters approve ‘Declaration of Occupation’ | |
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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1299 Credit: 2,386,757 RAC: 3,389 | |
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STATEMENT | |
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That is quite a statement you have to admit. They can protest all they want I don't see much changing, the Corporate conglomerates are just too powerful. At best all it will do is maybe slow down their growth a bit. | |
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That is quite a statement you have to admit. They can protest all they want I don't see much changing, the Corporate conglomerates are just too powerful. At best all it will do is maybe slow down their growth a bit. Never underestimate the power of the masses when they are pissed off. ____________ In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams | |
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