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MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Saw a report where amongst lots of businesses looted, one business not touched at all by The Violence. A Bookstore. There were Lots of Books in the Not Broken window. Don't The Hoodies know Books make Good Fire? Guess The Hoodies are doing plenty of electronic "Reading". Ah, The Good ole Days. When a Young Person would idle The Time Away with a Good Book. I am Null and Void and A Darwin Barnacle. |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
A bit of humour I saw in another project's forums ... My TV is broken. I wonder if I can go back to the shop and ask for my brick back? It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
Some words you might have used is that Al Jazeera have got their facts right and not twisted and sensationalised as some of the British Press. One headline in the UK on the front page of a tabloid newspaper said that a family had been evicted. As AlJazeera correctly stated, Wandsworth Council did no more that take the first step is serving notice, and it will be 6 months before their procedures will allow any eviction notice to be enforced. As for "thrown on the street", that is your description of someone living in rented property who was broken the rules of tenancy and whose landlord has every right to get them them. The family will have to go and live somewhere else, as all of us have to live somewhere if we rent and end a tenancy for whatever reason. Instead of taking advantage of cheap council property they will have to find a private rental. Trash the coummunity around there, or steal or riot there, and I expect that the private landlord will have them out in far less than 6 months. flaming balloons |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
Looks like handbags at dawn. I thought we were all supposed to be working together to deal with this ..... Miliband and the leftie Labour party have offered no solution or specific action, but only suggest an enquiry with, I presume, nothing done for some months. Meanwhile Cameron the rightie is voicing specific direction on what needs to be done, is being done and doing the job of leading the way. I say his handbag is definitley in front. flaming balloons |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
We know the drill. Mom works two jobs to get enough scratch to feed her brood and keep a roof over their heads. Dad is where? Kids come home to an empty house and raise hell and no one is there to know any better. I suppose Mom could pop home and lock the kid in a cage so it won't get into trouble. No different to when I was a kid in the 50's & 60's. OK, so I had a dad but both worked full time and myself, my brother and my two sisters all came home to an empty house each day after school. Did we play-up, not likely, bought up correctly we just all argued as to who's turn it was to have a cup of tea waiting for mum when she got in from work. OK, so if we miss-behaved we knew we would get a clip around the ear so this kept us on the straight and narrow through our formative early years. As we got older so clip around the ears disappeared and was replaced by stern talkings-to. But hey! by the time we reached our very early teens we new societies rules so we followed them, we knew the limits and hence kept within them. Well, clips around the ears know are considered to be a form of child brutality. OK, so this was stopped yet in the process no one thought about what was going to be used to replace it with. Suddenly over night parents had to come up with another method of child control, well, your not going to be able to do that overnight, and no, quite a few parents obviously did not and still have not. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
An alternative viewpoint. That is pretty weak superficial reporting. More thoughtful comment is given by my ex-MP Nick Palmer: What should we do after the riots? ... Some thoughts: 1. We have a serious problem that goes beyond immediate riot control Like pretty well everyone else, I'm appalled at the riots and I don't think there's any excuse for the rioters – neither political nor social nor anything else. But we need to be clear about the underlying problem. What the riots have exposed is what people in rough areas have known for a long time: there are a good many people – not all of them young – who will be as rough and as acquisitive as they think they can get away with, and who don't see themselves as part of an organised society at all. It's important to understand the thought process here (understanding is not the same as supporting). A typical rioter is, say, 18, male, and in a peer group that values (a) toughness and (b) visible prosperity – bling, fashionable clothes, the latest electronics, etc. He hears that general disorder has stretched the police and there are lots of smashed windows and goods for the taking. If he joins in, he may well get some cool goods to show his friends (even share out, gaining even more kudos), and he can show he's really hard – not afraid of the police or anyone else. And it sounds exciting and dramatic. He might get caught and sent to prison for a bit, but even that might build his reputation, and anyway he'll probably get away with it. Is he going to stay at home and watch telly? No. Part of this is utterly alien to most of us, and part of it isn't. The instinct to do wrong things that you think you'll get away with is completely endemic in Britain (to an extent that it isn't elsewhere in Northern Europe in my experience). Speed on the road except where there's a camera; buy and sell goods and services in cash to avoid tax; fiddle your expenses (yes, MPs – and not just MPs); award yourself a gigantic bonus because you can; misuse your position of control if the people you're dealing with won't complain. None of these things are violent – but then nor is nipping into an already-broken window to pinch something. It's just that in many circles some of these things are semi-accepted behaviour, rather as larceny is accepted behaviour in the street gangs. As I've said, this isn't an excuse – two or indeed ten wrongs don't make a right, and anyway violent crime and street disorder are a different matter from petty larceny. But there is a general problem that we have an ultra-individualist, frontier-style society in which looking after Number One is seen as the norm. 2. What can we do about it? ... Whatever the mix, we do need to keep a sense of community and keep people feeling that they in some way 'belong'. Communism failed due to anonymising the people and causing everyone to lose a sense of 'ownership'... It's our only world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
An alternative viewpoint. I would say so. I mean, who would go to a riot/looting with a hammer strapped to their leg? I expect the god Odin would have something to say to his son Thor if he strapped his hammer to his leg for any reason. But then Odin would probably be baffled by Thor's choice of hammer support whereas the mother of the 13 year old was OK with her son trotting off to a riot and secreting a hammer in this way because the poor little dear was frightened. Frightened 13 year olds should stay at home during a riot, shouldn't they? Enforced by their parents and not excused afterwards as something not their responsibility? flaming balloons |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
"Questionable' sentences" So far, more than 2,770 people have been arrested in connection with the riots and 1,297 people have been before the courts. flaming balloons |
Jim_S Send message Joined: 23 Feb 00 Posts: 4705 Credit: 64,560,357 RAC: 31 |
Chris, I'm just Glad the Folks I Know over there are Safe. Please continue with a few Updates. I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I have no faith whatsoever in this country's justice system when I see that rioters are getting 4 years for incitement using Facebook when B******'s like this walks away free.......... Yob grins at assault on 4 year old ..he should have been remanded in custody until the date of the trial. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Thanks heavens there's Private Eye to put things into perspective: PrivateEye wrote: "Youths armed with glass bottles, bricks and stones turned a high street into a warzone," reported the Tottenham and Wood Green Journal - not this month, but back in March. For all those wishing to blame Twitter, Blackberry's, and all those other tech things the yoof use, the answer is much simpler: TV, ban that and you'll end riots spreading from one part of the country to another. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
A slight kiss for the convicted from the cat-o-nine-tails (+ lead tipped tails) would be spectacular. No reduction of sentence possible. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
Twitter, Facebook and Blackberry called to Home Office to discuss role in riots http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2011/08/19/247676/Twitter-Facebook-and-Blackberry-called-to-Home-Office-to-discuss-role-in.htm Twitter, Facebook and Blackberry have been called to the Home Office next week to discuss the role of social media in the recent riots. flaming balloons |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Private Eye is a satirical magazine, I doubt whether too much serious notice of their views will be taken. Sad though I suspect your assessment is correct. Another article from the same edition (No 1295): PrivateEye wrote: JOINED-UP GOVERNMENT Bad when other nations impose restrictions on one of the UK's most cherished values. Fine if it wants to do so itself. Does any one in the UK government know how to spell hypocrisy? What use is a "right" if the government can legislate it away? Given that many appear to be convinced that technology plays a major role in riots I guess it's only a matter of time before we see Blair Peach's last tweet. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
I wonder when we can get news of the first of the conviced rioters to be birched? It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Hi Chris Although some perps may deserve it I was advocating a painful form of corporal punishment, not capital punishment. Off with their heads!! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Off with their heads? I'd start with the bankers. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Off with their heads? I'd start with the bankers. followed by, politicians, lawyers & civil servants |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
oh jeez...single mums and civil servants bashed in one thread. Must be my lucky day. Anyone who blames the single mums, the person who actually stayed behind and took responsibility for the child, is an idiot...and such nonsense as a women having foresight that the father is going to p*ss off and leave her to raise the kid, well clearly I'd love to know how one gets this foresight because I never saw it coming. I guess I'm just another lowlife. Gotta love a country that throws parents in jail for what their kids do. I got threatened with jail repeatedly because my son wouldn't go to school. Do you know why he wouldn't go to school? Because at 12 years old he suffered a horrible attack that left him traumatised and he didn't want to leave the house. I'm sure putting me in jail would have helped the problem enormously. Yes, I was told I deserved to go to jail for not being able to get my child to go to school, however my priority at the time was getting him to a state where he wasn't suicidal. So before we start throwing mums in jail or evicting them why don't we have a look at what is actually going on in their lives. Or is that too 'P.C.'?? If you think a good bout in the military will somehow fix things you might want to consider that 80% of homeless people in the US are ex-military. If the military is so good at sorting out people how do you explain that? I guess if they come back in a body bag they won't be a bother to you any more and you can stop trying to find real solutions to the problems rather than knee jerk ones that shift the blame onto an easy target. For those at you who are bashing Civil Servants you might want to wonder who it is that helps protect the public from the worst the politicians can do. I was one for 5 years and a better bunch of people who took their duties very seriously you couldn't hope to meet. All of them were very aware that they worked for you and were spending your money. Be thankful that you have Civil Servants keeping an eye on the politicians. Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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