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Message 979310 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 3:45:04 UTC

I wonder where all the new WU's are going, since by now even the slowest machines should have enough unfinished uploads sitting around to prevent them from downloading new WU's ?

The only thing I can think of is that some people are downloading new wu's on a machine that is not crunching at all and therefor is not blocked by not uploaded results, and then sneaker net the new wu's to other comps which subsequently hoard thousands of results until the upload problem is resolved. I have never tried this, but would it be possible ?

Well, I don't know, I joined s@h to make use of the unused cpu cycles of my machines, and took a 5 year break from 2004 until 2009 because it all got to tedious. Maybe it's time to take another break until 2014 or so ...
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Message 979315 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 3:57:18 UTC - in response to Message 979310.

I wonder where all the new WU's are going, since by now even the slowest machines should have enough unfinished uploads sitting around to prevent them from downloading new WU's ?

The only thing I can think of is that some people are downloading new wu's on a machine that is not crunching at all and therefor is not blocked by not uploaded results, and then sneaker net the new wu's to other comps which subsequently hoard thousands of results until the upload problem is resolved. I have never tried this, but would it be possible ?

Well, I don't know, I joined s@h to make use of the unused cpu cycles of my machines, and took a 5 year break from 2004 until 2009 because it all got to tedious. Maybe it's time to take another break until 2014 or so ...

Some of use run a lot of projects, and so do not have very much from any particular project on hand. I haven't checked, but most of my machines have probably not gotten to the upload limit yet.
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Message 979316 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 3:58:47 UTC - in response to Message 979306.

Don't think that will help.
If you set a preference, for instance for astropulse, this would allow you to get Multibeam when astropulse is not available, All within SETI.


Oh, I thought if you ran out of S@H work units that you wold do work on a secondary project (e.g. Folding@Home) to keep your computer busy.

With the most recent (development) build, it is possible to set a resource share to 0 for a project and then the project will only download and run work if there is no work available from the list of primary projects (with resource shares > 0).
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Message 979322 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 4:06:47 UTC - in response to Message 979310.

I wonder where all the new WU's are going, since by now even the slowest machines should have enough unfinished uploads sitting around to prevent them from downloading new WU's ?


My slowest cruncher, a dual PIII 700MHz machine, still has about 40 hours of work to do.

The only thing I can think of is that some people are downloading new wu's on a machine that is not crunching at all and therefor is not blocked by not uploaded results, and then sneaker net the new wu's to other comps which subsequently hoard thousands of results until the upload problem is resolved. I have never tried this, but would it be possible ?


It's possible, but not nearly as easy as one would think. You can't simply copy the workunits themselves. You have to copy the entire \BOINC data tree. There's much more to it than that, and it's very tedious to do. It's completely manual and one human mistake can ruin the entire process.

Well, I don't know, I joined s@h to make use of the unused cpu cycles of my machines, and took a 5 year break from 2004 until 2009 because it all got to tedious. Maybe it's time to take another break until 2014 or so ...


That's certainly one option. Or you can join another project to keep busy with a low resource setting if you prefer, and weather the storm for SETI. I've been doing this since 2002 and I haven't found a storm that can get rid of me yet. :)
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Message 979347 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 4:45:47 UTC - in response to Message 979322.

It would be nice to hear from them (seti) on what is going on and how long it may take to get things back up.I too just got back doing s&h after a few years off do to the system.

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Message 979414 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 10:31:25 UTC
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I think that the problem is the same as some week ago: routing.
As before, I see some packet loss (22%) tracing boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu anf very high RTT (190).
It is a communication problem and I think that this is not a mystery.
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Message 979419 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 11:17:38 UTC
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My work unit buffer is set to ten days, and I have about 6 days left.

My 10 year SETI anniversary was a week ago :)

It will take a lot to get rid of me. LOL
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Message 979422 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 11:31:50 UTC - in response to Message 979306.
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Naw.

I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and it's not ET. My uploads have been backed up for more than a week and this isn't rare any more. Sadly, I foresee the day when I let my CPU cool and reduce me electric bill by uninstalling the client and turning off my computer when it's not being actively used. That day will probably be some time in 2010 if this trend continues.

I don't process other projects and have no interest in doing so. I came on board for SETI a long time a go and will shut off my clients (multiple) if the trend of more down than up time continues.

Regardless of what people profess, I am in it for the statistics. It's the only metric I have available to justify to effort.
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Message 979446 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 12:38:36 UTC

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Message 979453 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 13:14:09 UTC - in response to Message 979419.

My work unit buffer is set to ten days, and I have about 6 days left.

My 10 year SETI anniversary was a week ago :)

It will take a lot to get rid of me. LOL


lets face the facts, the past couple of months may have been it's last gasps and it may never return. budget problems in the state of california. Matt's hours cut...
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Message 979456 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 13:15:59 UTC
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I've been here 10 years doing this for S.E.T.I. and my computers don't know how to do anything else. I don't think I want to train them either. I'll stick it out here to the bitter end. Eric and Co. have worked hard for us over the years and I feel we owe them that.
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Message 979459 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 13:35:15 UTC - in response to Message 979422.

Regardless of what people profess, I am in it for the statistics. It's the only metric I have available to justify to effort.


The wonderful thing about science, especially long term science such as this project, is that it must be the goal that justifies the means, not the individual metrics.

Anyone else using statistics as a justification are only disallusioning themselves.
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Message 979463 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 13:46:35 UTC - in response to Message 979456.

I've been here 10 years doing this for S.E.T.I. and my computers don't know how to do anything else. I don't think I want to train them either. I'll stick it out here to the bitter end. Eric and Co. have worked hard for us over the years and I feel we owe them that.

Your computers can run any BOINC project. This is the merit of the BOINC approach as opposed to the Folding@home approach. I am running 6 BOINC projects and I am never out of work.
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Message 979470 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 13:55:52 UTC

so if they are having budget issues for this project, why dont they justpost that ?
I can donate a dollar or two (five, ten whatever).
I just find it strange that no-one seems to know anyone there that can either make the project aware of the issue or at least post that they are ware and working for a fix with xx hours or days etc.
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Message 979489 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 14:22:47 UTC - in response to Message 979470.

I'm sure they are aware of the problem. I'm also aware that technical folk, as our friends at S@H tend to be, don't like giving updates until things are finished. I know that I've given estimates on my completing a pc build, ran in to a few snags and doubled my actual work time. The best bet is to read the forums and keep abreast of things if and when they happen.

Also, they don't get paid well. Budget cuts from the state of California and limited resources keeps them busy and forces some imaginative fixes for problems. also note that they are in California and start their day around 9 am Pacific time. If you've been around a while you'll also note that the s@h servers go down around 9:30am on Tuesdays for their weekly downtime. Please allow them the time to work on the server/switch problems and we can get back to crunching when its solved
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Message 979500 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 14:54:04 UTC

Isn't it about time somebody put a cap to this thread, and move the discourse to the NC board? I look here for news from the adminstrators and only find the user's frustrations.

Perhaps since Matt has bowed out of keeping a regular log of events, this board should be shut down totally because it is redundant with NC?

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Message 979503 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 14:59:22 UTC - in response to Message 979489.

Budget cuts from the state of California and limited resources keeps them busy and forces some imaginative fixes for problems.

"They'll be back!"
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Message 979512 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 15:19:48 UTC - in response to Message 979500.

Isn't it about time somebody put a cap to this thread, and move the discourse to the NC board? I look here for news from the adminstrators and only find the user's frustrations.

Perhaps since Matt has bowed out of keeping a regular log of events, this board should be shut down totally because it is redundant with NC?

One would hope that there will be a new thread for the kvetching after the outage today.
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Message 979517 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 15:32:54 UTC
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I'm a diehard SETI cruncher. I prefer to run only SETI. BUT, but... I've taken to running MilkyWay when SETI is having problems, like now. Why? Because I now only use GPU's for crunching.

And I'm so used to paying the extra $100-per-month on my electric bill, that I'd likely fall over sideways with that extra $100 in my pocket. Or, I'd do something really stupid with that money... like bank it.

Anyway, bi*ching about the project's problems won't help. Donations, enough of them, will help. With well over 1-million participants in SETI... if everyone donated just $2.00, or the equivalent each year... SETI would probably have far fewer glitches and unexpected outages.

SETI, being an extremely popular project, requires much more from the equipment and bandwidth. We already know that bandwidth isn't up to what is really needed. And SETI operates on piecemeal, sub-par, equipment that's crammed into a tiny server closet without any backup cooling. When their A/C malfunctions, SETI goes down.

If SETI had the right equipment to operate on, that tiny server closet would not be adequate and they'd need a larger space with better cooling capacity.

So... all of the moaning and complaining does nothing to help SETI.

What can help is DONATIONS.... more of them... from more, or from all SETI participants.
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Hey... ET... you have a sister who likes earthlings?

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Message 979585 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 23:49:31 UTC

WHAT A BUMMER.....

With two of my crunchers reporting WU's.... both reported every WU as.... SETI@home Message from server: Completed result xxxxxxxx.xx.x.xx.xx_x refused: result already reported as success

Almost 2000 WU's that I obviously won't get credit for...

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