Panic Mode On (17) Server problems



Uitgebreid zoeken

Forum : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (17) Server problems

AuteurBericht
Profile arkayn
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: May 14 99
Posts: 1102
Credit: 4,152,945
RAC: 6,676
United States
Message 908012 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 0:36:15 UTC

    New thread.
    ____________

    John Hansen
    Send message
    Joined: May 28 00
    Posts: 45
    Credit: 53,883
    RAC: 0
    Denmark
    Message 908026 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 1:09:54 UTC

      Last modified: 16 Jun 2009 1:11:03 UTC

      "Results ready to send" is 47 minutes old!
      The interesting value is "Current result creation rate", which is usually only a few minutes old. If the value is over, say 5, it's good (currently below 1, bad).

      Gruß,
      Gundolf

      Results ready to send 43,228 0 49m
      Current result creation rate 14.2274/sec 0.0315/sec 6m
      Results out in the field 3,992,415 114,054 49m

      Still getting no WUs, run out of work on my laptop.

      Also, "Results out in the field 3,992,415", not many days ago it was over 4,5mill.

      Profile Sutaru Tsureku
      Volunteer tester
      Avatar
      Send message
      Joined: Apr 6 07
      Posts: 2569
      Credit: 13,637,036
      RAC: 75,034
      Germany
      Message 908027 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 1:11:14 UTC


        O.K., then I'll continue here..

        But - nothing new.. :-(




        'no jobs available' [MB]


        Ohh..

        ____________

        U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

        Ned Ludd
        Volunteer tester
        Avatar
        Send message
        Joined: Apr 3 99
        Posts: 7695
        Credit: 264,570
        RAC: 291
        United States
        Message 908052 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 3:27:51 UTC

          Got 11 multibeam work units about an hour ago.

          I'm sure it's just a matter of everything working through the scheduler queue.
          ____________

          Profile [B^S] madmac
          Volunteer tester
          Avatar
          Send message
          Joined: Feb 9 04
          Posts: 770
          Credit: 382,900
          RAC: 364
          United Kingdom
          Message 908119 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 11:02:33 UTC

            back to no new works since I have started this morning, I know I will get some so I suppose I will just have to sit and wait.
            ____________

            Profile Dr. C.E.T.I.
            Avatar
            Send message
            Joined: Feb 29 00
            Posts: 15245
            Credit: 525,847
            RAC: 31
            United States
            Message 908120 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 11:05:51 UTC - in response to Message 908119.

              back to no new works since I have started this morning, I know I will get some so I suppose I will just have to sit and wait.



              . . . always the BEST Solution ---> waIT found it true in every case


              ____________
              BOINC Wiki . . .

              Science Status Page . . .

              Profile cliff west
              Send message
              Joined: May 7 01
              Posts: 190
              Credit: 2,826,609
              RAC: 11,271
              United States
              Message 908156 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 14:34:37 UTC - in response to Message 908120.

                i have two cuda left to run when i before i heading to work. looks like the GPU will be quit today.
                ____________

                Profile Clyde C. Phillips, III
                Send message
                Joined: Aug 2 00
                Posts: 1845
                Credit: 3,916,822
                RAC: 4,870
                United States
                Message 908177 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 15:38:00 UTC

                  Yes, I see one-third fewer tasks listed on each of my two computers. I figure it'll work itself out soon. If not, there's Einstein.
                  ____________

                  Profile [B^S] madmac
                  Volunteer tester
                  Avatar
                  Send message
                  Joined: Feb 9 04
                  Posts: 770
                  Credit: 382,900
                  RAC: 364
                  United Kingdom
                  Message 908185 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 15:53:24 UTC - in response to Message 908119.

                    back to no new works since I have started this morning, I know I will get some so I suppose I will just have to sit and wait.

                    Still no new work well that is 10 hrs now, still have five to do, cricket graph last time I look looked like it was up and down spiking here and there. Server stats says over 90,000 still cannot get any shall I change my account so that is just does MBs
                    ____________

                    Profile Westsail and *Pyxey*
                    Volunteer tester
                    Avatar
                    Send message
                    Joined: Jul 26 99
                    Posts: 287
                    Credit: 4,783,285
                    RAC: 22,910
                    United States
                    Message 908210 - Posted 16 Jun 2009 22:07:13 UTC

                      Waah Hoo! Were back...

                      Here's hoping for a swift recovery!! *crosses fingers*
                      If you don't need work right this minute please turn on NNT till the server load levels off a bit in a few hours.

                      Happy Tuesday everyone! *waves*
                      ____________
                      "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather, 'hmm... that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov

                      Ned Ludd
                      Volunteer tester
                      Avatar
                      Send message
                      Joined: Apr 3 99
                      Posts: 7695
                      Credit: 264,570
                      RAC: 291
                      United States
                      Message 908253 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 0:16:53 UTC - in response to Message 908210.

                        Waah Hoo! Were back...

                        Here's hoping for a swift recovery!! *crosses fingers*
                        If you don't need work right this minute please turn on NNT till the server load levels off a bit in a few hours.

                        Happy Tuesday everyone! *waves*

                        My machines are all set for network access only between 6:00pm and 11:00pm (I'm in the same time zone as Berkeley) and they do manage to top-off enough to keep crunching.
                        ____________

                        Profile Jack Zhang
                        Volunteer tester
                        Avatar
                        Send message
                        Joined: Jul 2 06
                        Posts: 194
                        Credit: 1,515,263
                        RAC: 2,670
                        Canada
                        Message 908255 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 0:18:33 UTC - in response to Message 908210.

                          Apparently the problem hasn't been mitigated. Still no work.

                          Someone seriously needs to upgrade the servers to the new Intel ones soon...
                          ____________
                          What if Fiction was Fact and Fact was Fiction and vice versa?

                          Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                          Volunteer tester
                          Avatar
                          Send message
                          Joined: Apr 6 07
                          Posts: 2569
                          Credit: 13,637,036
                          RAC: 75,034
                          Germany
                          Message 908261 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 0:30:37 UTC

                            Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 0:40:11 UTC


                            My last result report was at 16 Jun 2009 10:13 UTC.

                            At 16 Jun 2009 13:08 UTC I took the PC offline because no new work. [~ 3 idle hours]

                            The PC had a 5 day cache and ran out of work..

                            [EDIT: (4 x GTX260 Core216 -> ~ 800 MB WUs / day)]

                            Ohh.. very well..

                            When I can switch on the PC again, when is new MB work available?

                            ____________

                            U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                            Profile perryjay
                            Avatar
                            Send message
                            Joined: Aug 20 02
                            Posts: 849
                            Credit: 820,717
                            RAC: 1,985
                            United States
                            Message 908267 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 0:37:04 UTC - in response to Message 908261.

                              I got 12 MBs for my CPU but now I can't get any for my GPU. :( I know it was just bad timing but why did it have to ask for more 6.03s when I am completely out of 6.08s? I still had 6.03s and an AP V5 on my machine.
                              ____________


                              PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC

                              Profile Borgholio
                              Avatar
                              Send message
                              Joined: Aug 2 99
                              Posts: 600
                              Credit: 1,480,708
                              RAC: 6,727
                              United States
                              Message 908282 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 1:25:42 UTC - in response to Message 908261.


                                My last result report was at 16 Jun 2009 10:13 UTC.

                                At 16 Jun 2009 13:08 UTC I took the PC offline because no new work. [~ 3 idle hours]

                                The PC had a 5 day cache and ran out of work..

                                [EDIT: (4 x GTX260 Core216 -> ~ 800 MB WUs / day)]

                                Ohh.. very well..

                                When I can switch on the PC again, when is new MB work available?


                                You can switch it on right now, if you attach to another project as it has been suggested you do since the day BOINC went live.
                                ____________


                                You will be assimilated...bunghole!

                                Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                Volunteer tester
                                Avatar
                                Send message
                                Joined: Apr 6 07
                                Posts: 2569
                                Credit: 13,637,036
                                RAC: 75,034
                                Germany
                                Message 908285 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 1:33:51 UTC - in response to Message 908282.

                                  You can switch it on right now, if you attach to another project as it has been suggested you do since the day BOINC went live.


                                  No thanks.

                                  If you looked in my account data/profile.. I'm 100 % SETIan.. no other BOINC project.

                                  ____________

                                  U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                  Profile Borgholio
                                  Avatar
                                  Send message
                                  Joined: Aug 2 99
                                  Posts: 600
                                  Credit: 1,480,708
                                  RAC: 6,727
                                  United States
                                  Message 908286 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 1:38:46 UTC - in response to Message 908285.

                                    You can switch it on right now, if you attach to another project as it has been suggested you do since the day BOINC went live.


                                    No thanks.

                                    If you looked in my account data/profile.. I'm 100 % SETIan.. no other BOINC project.


                                    And I submit that your insistence to participate in only one project is the reason why you are out of work, not that Seti@home is having server issues, which it often does.
                                    ____________


                                    You will be assimilated...bunghole!

                                    Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                    Volunteer tester
                                    Avatar
                                    Send message
                                    Joined: Apr 6 07
                                    Posts: 2569
                                    Credit: 13,637,036
                                    RAC: 75,034
                                    Germany
                                    Message 908288 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 1:44:20 UTC - in response to Message 908286.

                                      And I submit that your insistence to participate in only one project is the reason why you are out of work, not that Seti@home is having server issues, which it often does.


                                      It depend which kind of person you are.

                                      I want only to pay my electricity bill for SETI@home.

                                      If you would like to pay your electricity bill only for to heat your room you can support this or this BOINC project.

                                      ;-)

                                      ____________

                                      U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                      Profile Pappa
                                      Forum moderator
                                      Volunteer tester
                                      Avatar
                                      Send message
                                      Joined: Jan 9 00
                                      Posts: 2115
                                      Credit: 5,125,842
                                      RAC: 8,794
                                      United States
                                      Message 908294 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 1:54:47 UTC - in response to Message 908288.

                                        Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 1:55:42 UTC

                                        Sutaru

                                        WE all have to be patient. So while you are focused on a single project, we have to remember that it has been stated there will be times of no new work.
                                        When people try to explain this I know it tough to understand but it is a fact.
                                        In the mean time, "We" are waiting.

                                        And I submit that your insistence to participate in only one project is the reason why you are out of work, not that Seti@home is having server issues, which it often does.


                                        It depend which kind of person you are.

                                        I want only to pay my electricity bill for SETI@home.

                                        If you would like to pay your electricity bill only for to heat your room you can support this or this BOINC project.

                                        ;-)


                                        Regards
                                        ____________
                                        Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

                                        Profile Borgholio
                                        Avatar
                                        Send message
                                        Joined: Aug 2 99
                                        Posts: 600
                                        Credit: 1,480,708
                                        RAC: 6,727
                                        United States
                                        Message 908295 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 1:57:03 UTC - in response to Message 908288.

                                          Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 1:57:30 UTC

                                          And I submit that your insistence to participate in only one project is the reason why you are out of work, not that Seti@home is having server issues, which it often does.


                                          It depend which kind of person you are.

                                          I want only to pay my electricity bill for SETI@home.

                                          If you would like to pay your electricity bill only for to heat your room you can support this or this BOINC project.

                                          ;-)


                                          If you were to sign up with another project, say, World Community Grid...you could set it's resource share at 1 and set Seti at 1000. Thus, for every 1000 hours of work you do on Seti, you'd do 1 hour of work on WCG. That will hardly make an impact on your overall Seti stats. Furthermore, it will keep your processors hot if Seti goes down for an extended period.

                                          If you are concerned about your GPU, then do the same thing with GPU Grid. It also wouldn't hurt to increase your cache from 5 days to 10 days.

                                          I ordinarily wouldn't care, except I feel that signing up for a backup project or two is more productive than making multiple posts in multiple threads on multiple forums about the exact same subject. ;-)
                                          ____________


                                          You will be assimilated...bunghole!

                                          Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                          Volunteer tester
                                          Avatar
                                          Send message
                                          Joined: Apr 6 07
                                          Posts: 2569
                                          Credit: 13,637,036
                                          RAC: 75,034
                                          Germany
                                          Message 908299 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 2:10:09 UTC - in response to Message 908295.

                                            Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 2:11:24 UTC

                                            ...
                                            It also wouldn't hurt to increase your cache from 5 days to 10 days.
                                            ...


                                            I would like to do it.. but it wasn't possible.


                                            I had 10 day cache on the HDD for two GPUs.

                                            Then I insert the last two GPUs.. (4 GPUs) -> 5 day cache. [for ~ one month]

                                            The preferences not changed.. -> 10 day cache.

                                            But.. the max. was 5 days down to 2 or 1 day.. filled up again to max. 5 days.. and again down to 2 or 1 day.. then again up to 5 days.. but now down to 0 days.

                                            All the time I had 5 days cache.. Berkeley had server probs and the cache gone down..

                                            I guess the PC have too much performance for SETI@home.. ;-)


                                            ------------------------------------------------------------------

                                            @ Pappa

                                            Yes of course I will be patiently.. I'm a SETI@home member and learned this characteristic.. ;-)

                                            ____________

                                            U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                            Profile Virtual Boss
                                            Avatar
                                            Send message
                                            Joined: May 4 08
                                            Posts: 403
                                            Credit: 1,337,789
                                            RAC: 2,614
                                            Australia
                                            Message 908341 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 8:11:40 UTC

                                              The good news is that the bandwidth hasn't maxed out at all after this outage . . . :)

                                              Ned Ludd
                                              Volunteer tester
                                              Avatar
                                              Send message
                                              Joined: Apr 3 99
                                              Posts: 7695
                                              Credit: 264,570
                                              RAC: 291
                                              United States
                                              Message 908342 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 8:14:49 UTC - in response to Message 908285.

                                                You can switch it on right now, if you attach to another project as it has been suggested you do since the day BOINC went live.


                                                No thanks.

                                                If you looked in my account data/profile.. I'm 100 % SETIan.. no other BOINC project.

                                                So?

                                                Consider crunching for SETI BETA. They have a slightly different mix of servers, and they aren't necessarily down when SETI "main" is down.
                                                ____________

                                                Profile Gundolf Jahn
                                                Send message
                                                Joined: Sep 19 00
                                                Posts: 1248
                                                Credit: 183,359
                                                RAC: 163
                                                Germany
                                                Message 908345 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 8:36:01 UTC - in response to Message 908341.

                                                  The good news is that the bandwidth hasn't maxed out at all after this outage . . . :)

                                                  That's a good one! LOL

                                                  Profile Virtual Boss
                                                  Avatar
                                                  Send message
                                                  Joined: May 4 08
                                                  Posts: 403
                                                  Credit: 1,337,789
                                                  RAC: 2,614
                                                  Australia
                                                  Message 908346 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 9:05:40 UTC

                                                    The bad news is . . .

                                                    By now everybody should be really panicking.

                                                    Why?

                                                    The reasons listed below are obvious signs.

                                                    LHC was sabotaged to stop human progress.
                                                    Boinc projects intermittently sabotaged:
                                                    . SETI WU,s to slow the search.
                                                    . NITPCKR to stop us comparing signals.
                                                    . Planetquest to stop it starting.
                                                    . CPDN so our planet cooks.
                                                    . Einstein ...
                                                    . Cosmology ..
                                                    . Milkyway ...
                                                    . Ibercivis ...
                                                    . Aqua ...
                                                    . ... All to slow progress.
                                                    And many more examples .........

                                                    Yes, the astute should have figured it all out.

                                                    Aliens really have snuck in when Aricebo was looking the other way, they have been trying to stop any and all progress towards locating their home and/or becoming equal in technology.

                                                    When our planet overheats and we're all toasted, they'll cool it down again and just take it over for themselves, no wars involved.

                                                    Think I'm nuts?

                                                    That's OK, you haven't seen me when I get home at night and in the privacy of my house slip into a more comfortable shape! [Evil chuckle]


                                                    LOL :)

                                                    Brodo
                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                    Send message
                                                    Joined: Feb 14 04
                                                    Posts: 364
                                                    Credit: 13,474,940
                                                    RAC: 55,566
                                                    Australia
                                                    Message 908350 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 9:22:23 UTC - in response to Message 908346.

                                                      That's OK, you haven't seen me when I get home at night and in the privacy of my house slip into a more comfortable shape! [Evil chuckle]


                                                      and I thought it was just my cataracts playing up and fatigue when I've seen your outline wavering at 3am

                                                      :-)

                                                      wandering willie
                                                      Send message
                                                      Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                      Posts: 68
                                                      Credit: 526,207
                                                      RAC: 1,829
                                                      United Kingdom
                                                      Message 908356 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 10:57:02 UTC

                                                        So global over farming of WU’s for RAC has caused a global famine. (plus OC and op apps).

                                                        Perhaps we should be looking at capping the number of CPU’s per account.

                                                        Lowering the number of WU’s per CPU. After all it’s not just the newbie wing persons but some of the wing persons who have 700 to 1000 WU’s stored on their rigs.

                                                        With demand out stripping supply, set and forget seems to be the way forward.

                                                        Michael.

                                                        msattler
                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                        Avatar
                                                        Send message
                                                        Joined: Jul 9 00
                                                        Posts: 15667
                                                        Credit: 44,255,625
                                                        RAC: 115,912
                                                        United States
                                                        Message 908360 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 11:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 908356.

                                                          So global over farming of WU’s for RAC has caused a global famine. (plus OC and op apps).

                                                          Perhaps we should be looking at capping the number of CPU’s per account.

                                                          Lowering the number of WU’s per CPU. After all it’s not just the newbie wing persons but some of the wing persons who have 700 to 1000 WU’s stored on their rigs.

                                                          With demand out stripping supply, set and forget seems to be the way forward.

                                                          Michael.

                                                          Seti is looking for more computing power, not less, my friend.
                                                          They just have to get their server situation sorted...and they are working on that.
                                                          ____________
                                                          4 kitties on a Seti mission...Meeeeeeooowwwrrrrr!!!


                                                          The Genuine Kittyman..........accept no substitutes.



                                                          Byron S Goodgame
                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                          Avatar
                                                          Send message
                                                          Joined: Jan 16 06
                                                          Posts: 1150
                                                          Credit: 1,693,804
                                                          RAC: 4,575
                                                          United States
                                                          Message 908372 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 16:34:30 UTC

                                                            WTH lol, that was a strange nothing for several hours Daemon History .
                                                            Still can't upload or download, but it's nice to see the message boards back.
                                                            ____________

                                                            Profile [B^S] madmac
                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                            Avatar
                                                            Send message
                                                            Joined: Feb 9 04
                                                            Posts: 770
                                                            Credit: 382,900
                                                            RAC: 364
                                                            United Kingdom
                                                            Message 908374 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 16:37:22 UTC

                                                              well I got server down message well this;
                                                              17/06/2009 17:33:06 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
                                                              17/06/2009 17:33:06 SETI@home Reporting 2 completed tasks, requesting new tasks
                                                              17/06/2009 17:33:34 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                              17/06/2009 17:33:35 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                              17/06/2009 17:33:38 SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server
                                                              17/06/2009 17:34:20 SETI@home Started upload of 01mr09ae.8287.11933.12.8.141_0_0
                                                              17/06/2009 17:34:42 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                              17/06/2009 17:34:42 SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 01mr09ae.8287.11933.12.8.141_0_0: connect() failed
                                                              17/06/2009 17:34:42 SETI@home Backing off 38 min 3 sec on upload of 01mr09ae.8287.11933.12.8.141_0_0
                                                              17/06/2009 17:34:43 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                              plus the server status page is a few hours old as well. Any ideas what is going on, no downloads and no uploads

                                                              ____________

                                                              WinterKnight
                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                              Send message
                                                              Joined: May 18 99
                                                              Posts: 3716
                                                              Credit: 3,575,032
                                                              RAC: 1,102
                                                              United Kingdom
                                                              Message 908377 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 16:40:05 UTC

                                                                Panic over here, just got 20 MB tasks.

                                                                Byron S Goodgame
                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                Avatar
                                                                Send message
                                                                Joined: Jan 16 06
                                                                Posts: 1150
                                                                Credit: 1,693,804
                                                                RAC: 4,575
                                                                United States
                                                                Message 908384 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 16:46:49 UTC - in response to Message 908377.

                                                                  Panic over here, just got 20 MB tasks.

                                                                  Got some myself now, so it seems to be coming back.
                                                                  ____________

                                                                  Profile ulenz
                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                  Avatar
                                                                  Send message
                                                                  Joined: Mar 23 05
                                                                  Posts: 22
                                                                  Credit: 372,937
                                                                  RAC: 309
                                                                  Germany
                                                                  Message 908385 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 17:11:12 UTC

                                                                    Why is this project so often down? They have sun servers and ten years experience - but this doesn't seem to be enough yet.
                                                                    ____________

                                                                    Ned Ludd
                                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                                    Avatar
                                                                    Send message
                                                                    Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                    Posts: 7695
                                                                    Credit: 264,570
                                                                    RAC: 291
                                                                    United States
                                                                    Message 908388 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 17:22:12 UTC - in response to Message 908385.

                                                                      Why is this project so often down? They have sun servers and ten years experience - but this doesn't seem to be enough yet.

                                                                      Because in most environments, they'd have BRAND NEW Sun servers, all of them with all kinds of excess capacity.

                                                                      The Sun servers they had were mostly hand-me-downs from other organizations.

                                                                      They've largely been replaced by various Intel-based servers, some white-box, some prototypes that are "retired" by the manufacturers, some sent in as gifts by various people.

                                                                      They aren't the hardware that SETI@Home would have specified or bought, they're what showed up.

                                                                      A well funded project would have more people. They'd have people whose only job is operating the servers.

                                                                      Given short staff and very little money, they're doing exceptionally well.

                                                                      I'll also point out (again) that we need to consider BOINC as a system, and that the BOINC client does not require 100% uptime at the servers. It will (in general) cache work and keep crunching. 90% uptime should be more than enough.
                                                                      ____________

                                                                      msattler
                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                      Avatar
                                                                      Send message
                                                                      Joined: Jul 9 00
                                                                      Posts: 15667
                                                                      Credit: 44,255,625
                                                                      RAC: 115,912
                                                                      United States
                                                                      Message 908394 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 17:44:45 UTC

                                                                        Servers back down.....I'm sure they are sorting things again.
                                                                        Hopefully they will have a grip on it by the end of the day and work can start flowing again.
                                                                        ____________
                                                                        4 kitties on a Seti mission...Meeeeeeooowwwrrrrr!!!


                                                                        The Genuine Kittyman..........accept no substitutes.



                                                                        Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                        Avatar
                                                                        Send message
                                                                        Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                        Posts: 1117
                                                                        Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                        RAC: 3,105
                                                                        United States
                                                                        Message 908395 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 17:47:40 UTC

                                                                          I'm not quite near panic yet. Main rig still has 200+ MBs and 2 APs on it. That ends up being about 3 days of work. Second rig has about 20 MBs and 1 AP on it. That's about 2 days. One Linux box only has 1 AP in its queue, so that's 2 days left remaining for that task. Second Linux box has quite a few MBs and at least one AP, so at least 2 days on that.

                                                                          Basically I'm doing fine for the time being. In about 36 hours is when the panic will probably start setting in if new tasks don't get DLed.
                                                                          ____________

                                                                          Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                          I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                          Profile cliff west
                                                                          Send message
                                                                          Joined: May 7 01
                                                                          Posts: 190
                                                                          Credit: 2,826,609
                                                                          RAC: 11,271
                                                                          United States
                                                                          Message 908397 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 17:48:14 UTC - in response to Message 908394.

                                                                            i was able to get a few MB last night but has anyone seen an new CUDA unit sent out?
                                                                            ____________

                                                                            ML1
                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                            Send message
                                                                            Joined: Nov 25 01
                                                                            Posts: 4247
                                                                            Credit: 1,391,089
                                                                            RAC: 1,919
                                                                            United Kingdom
                                                                            Message 908398 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 17:48:20 UTC

                                                                              Anyone noticed the new website code at play?...

                                                                              Cheers,
                                                                              Martin

                                                                              ____________
                                                                              Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS!
                                                                              Optimised clients
                                                                              Boinc HELP

                                                                              msattler
                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                              Avatar
                                                                              Send message
                                                                              Joined: Jul 9 00
                                                                              Posts: 15667
                                                                              Credit: 44,255,625
                                                                              RAC: 115,912
                                                                              United States
                                                                              Message 908402 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 17:54:53 UTC - in response to Message 908398.

                                                                                Anyone noticed the new website code at play?...

                                                                                Cheers,
                                                                                Martin
                                                                                Other than our spiffy little flags?

                                                                                ____________
                                                                                4 kitties on a Seti mission...Meeeeeeooowwwrrrrr!!!


                                                                                The Genuine Kittyman..........accept no substitutes.



                                                                                Profile [B^S] madmac
                                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                Send message
                                                                                Joined: Feb 9 04
                                                                                Posts: 770
                                                                                Credit: 382,900
                                                                                RAC: 364
                                                                                United Kingdom
                                                                                Message 908405 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 18:05:15 UTC - in response to Message 908374.

                                                                                  I am now on the 24 hour wait luckily I have WCG to do and still have one to upload sometime tomorrow.
                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                  Profile Ageless
                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                  Joined: Jun 9 99
                                                                                  Posts: 9590
                                                                                  Credit: 102,947
                                                                                  RAC: 226
                                                                                  Netherlands
                                                                                  Message 908412 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 18:26:44 UTC - in response to Message 908398.

                                                                                    Anyone noticed the new website code at play?...

                                                                                    Some weird effect of CSS on the main page, all black with blue letters before it loads correctly, you mean?
                                                                                    ____________
                                                                                    Jord

                                                                                    -BOINC FAQ Service
                                                                                    -Nvidia CUDA & ATI CAL FAQ

                                                                                    Courtesy starts with your first post of the thread.

                                                                                    Flainn
                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                    Joined: Sep 9 99
                                                                                    Posts: 49
                                                                                    Credit: 1,198,220
                                                                                    RAC: 677
                                                                                    United States
                                                                                    Message 908415 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 18:37:06 UTC - in response to Message 908356.

                                                                                      Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 18:40:57 UTC


                                                                                      Perhaps we should be looking at capping the number of CPU’s per account.


                                                                                      Yeahhh... that will go over well with enthusiasts like me who have been working hard to throw everything they've got at it.

                                                                                      Somehow I don't think people would like SETI@home saying to them: "We want your help, but only so much. We're cutting you off at 10 CPUs."

                                                                                      In fact, if SETI@home were to adopt such a policy, I would abandon the project. There are plenty of other worthy DC projects which would never do such a thing.
                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                      FiveHamlet
                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                      Joined: Oct 5 99
                                                                                      Posts: 321
                                                                                      Credit: 8,817,511
                                                                                      RAC: 58,840
                                                                                      United Kingdom
                                                                                      Message 908417 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 18:42:33 UTC

                                                                                        Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 18:57:11 UTC

                                                                                        My rig has been trying to upload 100 tasks most of the day.
                                                                                        Also still can't report 111 tasks this after having an outage for 5 hrs yesterday.
                                                                                        I am now crunching Aqua on my gpu's and docking on my cpu to fill in missing workload.I have no 6.03 to crunch and only about 200 6.08 will be out of Seti work in 12 hrs on main rig second rig has no 6.08 but 200 6.03 schedular not very good.
                                                                                        Seems like a real problem with Seti servers.
                                                                                        Dave

                                                                                        EDIT just checked the server status page and it's info is 6 hours old
                                                                                        BIG PROBLEM
                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                        Profile Clyde C. Phillips, III
                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                        Joined: Aug 2 00
                                                                                        Posts: 1845
                                                                                        Credit: 3,916,822
                                                                                        RAC: 4,870
                                                                                        United States
                                                                                        Message 908424 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 19:03:34 UTC

                                                                                          I see only about three hours of tasks left. It'll be Einstein or else I'll have to turn off my machines tonight.
                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                          FiveHamlet
                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                          Joined: Oct 5 99
                                                                                          Posts: 321
                                                                                          Credit: 8,817,511
                                                                                          RAC: 58,840
                                                                                          United Kingdom
                                                                                          Message 908426 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 19:08:42 UTC

                                                                                            I have 4 gpu's to feed so it looks like Aqua for me just to keep my room warm lol
                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                            Profile UrbanFlux
                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                            Joined: Sep 21 06
                                                                                            Posts: 8
                                                                                            Credit: 904,009
                                                                                            RAC: 468
                                                                                            United Kingdom
                                                                                            Message 908436 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 19:21:21 UTC

                                                                                              Fixed!
                                                                                              ____________
                                                                                              Trust No One. Question Everything.

                                                                                              FiveHamlet
                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                              Joined: Oct 5 99
                                                                                              Posts: 321
                                                                                              Credit: 8,817,511
                                                                                              RAC: 58,840
                                                                                              United Kingdom
                                                                                              Message 908437 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 19:24:30 UTC - in response to Message 908436.

                                                                                                Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 19:44:36 UTC

                                                                                                Don't know what is fixed but server status is now showing 7 hrs.
                                                                                                Still no uploads, reporting or downloads.
                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                Profile UrbanFlux
                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                Joined: Sep 21 06
                                                                                                Posts: 8
                                                                                                Credit: 904,009
                                                                                                RAC: 468
                                                                                                United Kingdom
                                                                                                Message 908444 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 19:43:23 UTC

                                                                                                  Yep sorry, was seeing things.
                                                                                                  ____________
                                                                                                  Trust No One. Question Everything.

                                                                                                  Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                  Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                  Posts: 1117
                                                                                                  Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                  RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                  Message 908445 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 19:47:36 UTC - in response to Message 908415.

                                                                                                    Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 19:58:18 UTC


                                                                                                    Perhaps we should be looking at capping the number of CPU’s per account.


                                                                                                    Yeahhh... that will go over well with enthusiasts like me who have been working hard to throw everything they've got at it.

                                                                                                    Somehow I don't think people would like SETI@home saying to them: "We want your help, but only so much. We're cutting you off at 10 CPUs."

                                                                                                    In fact, if SETI@home were to adopt such a policy, I would abandon the project. There are plenty of other worthy DC projects which would never do such a thing.

                                                                                                    I still think the math behind the quota needs to be revised. Sure, one bad task can still be -1, but a good task needs to be something like +1 or +2 instead of x2. Takes 100+ bad tasks to get down to a quota of 1, but it only takes 8 good ones to get back to 100. Sounds like it defeats the purpose of the quota altogether.

                                                                                                    $0.02


                                                                                                    [edit: and my panic is gone now. The one Linux box that only had an AP to crunch requested 86400 seconds of work (nice number there..) and got 20 MBs. Good to go now.]
                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                    Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                    I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                    Claggy
                                                                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                    Joined: Jul 5 99
                                                                                                    Posts: 554
                                                                                                    Credit: 3,330,764
                                                                                                    RAC: 4,439
                                                                                                    United Kingdom
                                                                                                    Message 908446 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 19:57:32 UTC - in response to Message 908437.

                                                                                                      Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 20:08:08 UTC

                                                                                                      Don't know what is fixed but server status is now showing 7 hrs.
                                                                                                      Still no uploads, reporting or downloads.


                                                                                                      Before they took the website down, and took the server's offline for maintenance, the Status time was stuck at: [As of 17 Jun 2009 12:20:10 UTC],
                                                                                                      now at least it's updating it's status every 10 mins, even through the stats haven't been updated (yet).

                                                                                                      Work is getting through, I've got about 60 WU's downloaded, and another 20 downloading,

                                                                                                      You might have to get some uploaded before you'll request more.

                                                                                                      Claggy

                                                                                                      FiveHamlet
                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                      Joined: Oct 5 99
                                                                                                      Posts: 321
                                                                                                      Credit: 8,817,511
                                                                                                      RAC: 58,840
                                                                                                      United Kingdom
                                                                                                      Message 908447 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 19:58:24 UTC - in response to Message 908445.

                                                                                                        Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 20:01:07 UTC

                                                                                                        No point in having quotas if the schedular gets things totally screwed.
                                                                                                        I have 1 rig with 8 cores idle cos of no AP's or 6.03 plenty of 6.08's, and another rig with 4 cores and 2 gpu's with plenty of 6.03's and no 6.08's.
                                                                                                        Still have over 150 trying to upload here, been like this all day.
                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                        Ned Ludd
                                                                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                        Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                        Posts: 7695
                                                                                                        Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                        RAC: 291
                                                                                                        United States
                                                                                                        Message 908487 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 21:24:56 UTC - in response to Message 908445.

                                                                                                          I still think the math behind the quota needs to be revised. Sure, one bad task can still be -1, but a good task needs to be something like +1 or +2 instead of x2. Takes 100+ bad tasks to get down to a quota of 1, but it only takes 8 good ones to get back to 100. Sounds like it defeats the purpose of the quota altogether.

                                                                                                          It really depends on what you're trying to achieve.

                                                                                                          If the purpose is to keep a machine that returns consistently bad results from chewing through work, it's good enough. It'll take a while to throttle it down, so an occasional validator error or math bug won't hurt machines that are not broken.

                                                                                                          It also means a broken machine (or maybe a bug-fix to the application) can recover quite quickly once it's fixed.

                                                                                                          If you did away with the -1/x2 mechanism entirely, things would probably still be okay, there would just be a lot more reissues.
                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                          Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                          Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                          Posts: 1117
                                                                                                          Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                          RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                          Message 908510 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 21:56:02 UTC

                                                                                                            I was also thinking of proposing that a new user's quota be at 10, and go from there. That way they don't go and fill up their cache and then abandon ship, leaving all of those tasks to time out and be reissued.
                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                            Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                            I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                            Ned Ludd
                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                            Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                            Posts: 7695
                                                                                                            Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                            RAC: 291
                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                            Message 908520 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 22:05:06 UTC - in response to Message 908510.

                                                                                                              I was also thinking of proposing that a new user's quota be at 10, and go from there. That way they don't go and fill up their cache and then abandon ship, leaving all of those tasks to time out and be reissued.

                                                                                                              I'd think even lower would be fine, maybe as low as two.

                                                                                                              Each validated WU would double-up, and they'd get to full quota fairly quickly.
                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                              Profile [AF>france>pas-de-calais]symaski62
                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                              Joined: Aug 12 05
                                                                                                              Posts: 195
                                                                                                              Credit: 22,033
                                                                                                              RAC: 61
                                                                                                              France
                                                                                                              Message 908521 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 22:06:14 UTC

                                                                                                                :) PAUSE !

                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:40 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.

                                                                                                                ---------------------------------

                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:36 Resuming network activity
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:36 SETI@home Started upload of 01mr09ad.27455.4980.11.8.163_1_0
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:36 SETI@home Started upload of 24fe09ac.31767.5389.3.8.130_0_0
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:36 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:36 SETI@home Requesting new tasks
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:41 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:41 SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:44 SETI@home [error] Error reported by file upload server: can't open file
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:44 SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 24fe09ac.31767.5389.3.8.130_0_0: transient upload error
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:44 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on upload of 24fe09ac.31767.5389.3.8.130_0_0
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:47 SETI@home [error] Error reported by file upload server: can't open file
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:47 SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 01mr09ad.27455.4980.11.8.163_1_0: transient upload error
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:00:47 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on upload of 01mr09ad.27455.4980.11.8.163_1_0
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:01:44 SETI@home Started upload of 24fe09ac.31767.5389.3.8.130_0_0
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:01:47 SETI@home Started upload of 01mr09ad.27455.4980.11.8.163_1_0
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:01:56 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:01:56 SETI@home Requesting new tasks
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:01 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:03 SETI@home Started download of 12mr09ac.29680.16841.4.8.223
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:09 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:09 SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 01mr09ad.27455.4980.11.8.163_1_0: connect() failed
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:09 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 12 sec on upload of 01mr09ad.27455.4980.11.8.163_1_0
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:09 SETI@home Finished download of 12mr09ac.29680.16841.4.8.223
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:11 BOINC can't access Internet - check network connection or proxy configuration.
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:38 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:38 SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 24fe09ac.31767.5389.3.8.130_0_0: connect() failed
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:38 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on upload of 24fe09ac.31767.5389.3.8.130_0_0
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:40 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                18/06/2009 00:02:56 Suspending network activity - user request

                                                                                                                ____________
                                                                                                                SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
                                                                                                                with a general handicap of 80% and it makes much d' efforts for the community and s' expimer, thank you d' to be understanding.

                                                                                                                Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                RAC: 291
                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                Message 908524 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 22:08:59 UTC - in response to Message 908510.

                                                                                                                  I was also thinking of proposing that a new user's quota be at 10, and go from there. That way they don't go and fill up their cache and then abandon ship, leaving all of those tasks to time out and be reissued.

                                                                                                                  I've also thought that the initial DCF should be pretty high. That would keep inefficient machines from over-requesting work initially, and allow more work once things settle in.

                                                                                                                  The obvious problem is the high projected time, but it should be possible to explain that (or show a "displayed duration" based on a "display-DCF").
                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                  Fred W
                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                  Joined: Jun 13 99
                                                                                                                  Posts: 2175
                                                                                                                  Credit: 5,948,719
                                                                                                                  RAC: 18,023
                                                                                                                  United Kingdom
                                                                                                                  Message 908527 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 22:12:07 UTC - in response to Message 908521.

                                                                                                                    :) PAUSE !

                                                                                                                    18/06/2009 00:02:40 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.


                                                                                                                    Looking at what is happening with uploads at the moment, suspending network for a few hours seems like the best option. Those of my uploads that are managing to make contact are getting to 100% but then failing to get the final "ack" from the database so it looks like a database access issue again.

                                                                                                                    F.
                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                    Sten-Arne
                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                    Joined: Nov 1 08
                                                                                                                    Posts: 127
                                                                                                                    Credit: 460,762
                                                                                                                    RAC: 1,548
                                                                                                                    Sweden
                                                                                                                    Message 908529 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 22:12:37 UTC - in response to Message 908521.

                                                                                                                      :) PAUSE !

                                                                                                                      18/06/2009 00:02:40 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.

                                                                                                                      ---------------------------------

                                                                                                                      18/06/2009 00:00:44 SETI@home [error] Error reported by file upload server: can't open file
                                                                                                                      18/06/2009 00:00:44 SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 24fe09ac.31767.5389.3.8.130_0_0: transient upload error


                                                                                                                      Yup, I've got the same problems with the "transient upload error". I'm sure it will sort itself out in due time.

                                                                                                                      If not this week or year, but surely the next :-)

                                                                                                                      Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                      Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                                      Posts: 1117
                                                                                                                      Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                                      RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                      Message 908570 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 23:51:40 UTC

                                                                                                                        I was just looking at the cricket graph and there is still about 30mbit leftover (if you add inbound and outbound together, it shouldn't be more than 100mbit..in a theoretical sense), but none of my 40 pending uploads will go through. I don't think it's a lack of bandwidth, I think there's just too many requests happening for apache to handle all of them.
                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                        Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                                        I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                                        Sten-Arne
                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                        Joined: Nov 1 08
                                                                                                                        Posts: 127
                                                                                                                        Credit: 460,762
                                                                                                                        RAC: 1,548
                                                                                                                        Sweden
                                                                                                                        Message 908575 - Posted 17 Jun 2009 23:57:50 UTC - in response to Message 908570.

                                                                                                                          Last modified: 17 Jun 2009 23:58:43 UTC

                                                                                                                          I was just looking at the cricket graph and there is still about 30mbit leftover (if you add inbound and outbound together, it shouldn't be more than 100mbit..in a theoretical sense), but none of my 40 pending uploads will go through. I don't think it's a lack of bandwidth, I think there's just too many requests happening for apache to handle all of them.


                                                                                                                          I finally removed/aborted all (12) of my stuck uploads, yes I lost some 600 credits, but all my cores where out of jobs.

                                                                                                                          Immediately thereafter Boinc downloaded 24 new WU's. So, I don't think it's a matter of lack of bandwidth, but lack of something else, database wise.

                                                                                                                          Sten-Arne

                                                                                                                          Larry256
                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                          Joined: Nov 11 05
                                                                                                                          Posts: 23
                                                                                                                          Credit: 104,669
                                                                                                                          RAC: 37
                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                          Message 908591 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 0:35:23 UTC - in response to Message 908487.

                                                                                                                            Last modified: 18 Jun 2009 0:35:40 UTC

                                                                                                                            I still think the math behind the quota needs to be revised. Sure, one bad task can still be -1, but a good task needs to be something like +1 or +2 instead of x2. Takes 100+ bad tasks to get down to a quota of 1, but it only takes 8 good ones to get back to 100. Sounds like it defeats the purpose of the quota altogether.

                                                                                                                            It really depends on what you're trying to achieve.

                                                                                                                            If the purpose is to keep a machine that returns consistently bad results from chewing through work, it's good enough. It'll take a while to throttle it down, so an occasional validator error or math bug won't hurt machines that are not broken.

                                                                                                                            It also means a broken machine (or maybe a bug-fix to the application) can recover quite quickly once it's fixed.

                                                                                                                            If you did away with the -1/x2 mechanism entirely, things would probably still be okay, there would just be a lot more reissues.



                                                                                                                            Wouldn't it cause less?

                                                                                                                            Larry256
                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                            Joined: Nov 11 05
                                                                                                                            Posts: 23
                                                                                                                            Credit: 104,669
                                                                                                                            RAC: 37
                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                            Message 908595 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 0:57:31 UTC - in response to Message 908575.

                                                                                                                              I was just looking at the cricket graph and there is still about 30mbit leftover (if you add inbound and outbound together, it shouldn't be more than 100mbit..in a theoretical sense), but none of my 40 pending uploads will go through. I don't think it's a lack of bandwidth, I think there's just too many requests happening for apache to handle all of them.


                                                                                                                              I finally removed/aborted all (12) of my stuck uploads, yes I lost some 600 credits, but all my cores where out of jobs.

                                                                                                                              Immediately thereafter Boinc downloaded 24 new WU's. So, I don't think it's a matter of lack of bandwidth, but lack of something else, database wise.

                                                                                                                              Sten-Arne


                                                                                                                              That will help them out- download,wait 1hr then abort.
                                                                                                                              Repeat untill the problem is fixed.
                                                                                                                              LOL

                                                                                                                              Profile Jack Zhang
                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                              Joined: Jul 2 06
                                                                                                                              Posts: 194
                                                                                                                              Credit: 1,515,263
                                                                                                                              RAC: 2,670
                                                                                                                              Canada
                                                                                                                              Message 908600 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 1:04:48 UTC - in response to Message 908595.

                                                                                                                                Does this mean all of our results are invalid? OH NOES!

                                                                                                                                [sarcasm self-check complete] -Quote from Portal
                                                                                                                                ____________
                                                                                                                                What if Fiction was Fact and Fact was Fiction and vice versa?

                                                                                                                                Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                                                Posts: 1117
                                                                                                                                Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                                                RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                Message 908608 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 1:38:19 UTC

                                                                                                                                  I did notice the number of tapes left online is a reasonable number now. It is shrinking fast and we still haven't heard anything about new data being recorded/shipped, so unless there's a few more tapes at off-site storage, we could actually run out.. ::gasp::

                                                                                                                                  One positive side-effect this will have is that long-term pending WUs should clear up, and the load on the database would decrease, allowing time for it to recover on its own..though it would leave a lot of idle CPUs.
                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                  Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                                                  I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                                                  Chelski
                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                  Joined: Jan 3 00
                                                                                                                                  Posts: 112
                                                                                                                                  Credit: 4,685,521
                                                                                                                                  RAC: 7,420
                                                                                                                                  Malaysia
                                                                                                                                  Message 908631 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 3:50:45 UTC - in response to Message 908608.

                                                                                                                                    Cosmic_Ocean wrote:
                                                                                                                                    I did notice the number of tapes left online is a reasonable number now. It is shrinking fast and we still haven't heard anything about new data being recorded/shipped, so unless there's a few more tapes at off-site storage, we could actually run out.. ::gasp::

                                                                                                                                    Well, if the current situation persists (WU upload problems and Validate errors for those unlucky WUs that got reported in), there would be many many reissues.
                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                    Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                    Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                    Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                    Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                    RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                    Australia
                                                                                                                                    Message 908636 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 4:21:33 UTC - in response to Message 908631.


                                                                                                                                      Network downloads have tapered off to normal levels (and no more traffic spikes), but there is still a huge level of upload traffic. But looking at Scarecrow's graphs it looks as though nothing is actually getting through.
                                                                                                                                      Been unable to upload myself for over 12 hours now.
                                                                                                                                      ____________
                                                                                                                                      Grant
                                                                                                                                      Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                      Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                      Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                      Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                      Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                      RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                      Message 908643 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 5:26:53 UTC - in response to Message 908591.

                                                                                                                                        I still think the math behind the quota needs to be revised. Sure, one bad task can still be -1, but a good task needs to be something like +1 or +2 instead of x2. Takes 100+ bad tasks to get down to a quota of 1, but it only takes 8 good ones to get back to 100. Sounds like it defeats the purpose of the quota altogether.

                                                                                                                                        It really depends on what you're trying to achieve.

                                                                                                                                        If the purpose is to keep a machine that returns consistently bad results from chewing through work, it's good enough. It'll take a while to throttle it down, so an occasional validator error or math bug won't hurt machines that are not broken.

                                                                                                                                        It also means a broken machine (or maybe a bug-fix to the application) can recover quite quickly once it's fixed.

                                                                                                                                        If you did away with the -1/x2 mechanism entirely, things would probably still be okay, there would just be a lot more reissues.



                                                                                                                                        Wouldn't it cause less?

                                                                                                                                        Letting every broken host have 100 work units per CPU every day would mean more "broken" results returned every day, and more reissues.
                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                        -=[Velociraptor]=-
                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                        Joined: Jun 29 04
                                                                                                                                        Posts: 22
                                                                                                                                        Credit: 639,626
                                                                                                                                        RAC: 0
                                                                                                                                        Norway
                                                                                                                                        Message 908648 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 6:03:12 UTC - in response to Message 908643.

                                                                                                                                          Last modified: 18 Jun 2009 6:08:06 UTC

                                                                                                                                          Hi.

                                                                                                                                          Can anybody tell me what is going on with SETI?
                                                                                                                                          No WU are uploading and no new WU downloading, and my account are not chancing:(

                                                                                                                                          Cheers

                                                                                                                                          EDIT: Found out why :)
                                                                                                                                          http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=54213#908577
                                                                                                                                          ____________
                                                                                                                                          "The universe...is a pretty big place. It's bigger than anything...anyone has ever dreamed of before. So if it's just us...it seems like an awful waste of space."

                                                                                                                                          FiveHamlet
                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                          Joined: Oct 5 99
                                                                                                                                          Posts: 321
                                                                                                                                          Credit: 8,817,511
                                                                                                                                          RAC: 58,840
                                                                                                                                          United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                          Message 908653 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 6:34:11 UTC

                                                                                                                                            I now have about 300 6.08 Cuda trying to upload and about 30 mins left to crunch then this i7 is out of Seti work.
                                                                                                                                            Everything is ticked in my preferences to accepet any work.
                                                                                                                                            I did have about 4 day cache but nothing now.
                                                                                                                                            I am running on pending now 121k left in there.
                                                                                                                                            I have reverted to my second string projects for the time being.
                                                                                                                                            Hope to be back here when there is something to crunch.
                                                                                                                                            If I abort the stuck uploads that is about 12000 credits lost,
                                                                                                                                            so I have suspended network and will try tomorrow.
                                                                                                                                            Dave
                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                            Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                            Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                            Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                            Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                            RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                            Australia
                                                                                                                                            Message 908676 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 8:36:10 UTC - in response to Message 908648.

                                                                                                                                              Can anybody tell me what is going on with SETI?
                                                                                                                                              No WU are uploading and no new WU downloading, and my account are not chancing:(

                                                                                                                                              There's still some sort of problem with the servers. I suspect it's a download problem- download traffic has dropped to lower than normal levels, even though there is plenty of work available to download. But there is a huge amount of inbound traffic, yet it's impossible to actually return any results because of that traffic.
                                                                                                                                              ____________
                                                                                                                                              Grant
                                                                                                                                              Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                              Profile [B^S] madmac
                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                              Joined: Feb 9 04
                                                                                                                                              Posts: 770
                                                                                                                                              Credit: 382,900
                                                                                                                                              RAC: 364
                                                                                                                                              United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                              Message 908698 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 11:07:46 UTC

                                                                                                                                                Last modified: 18 Jun 2009 11:08:00 UTC

                                                                                                                                                luckily I have only one to upload, unluckily it has been trying since yesterday now http errors which is usual after an outage. Have to wait another few hours before I can see if I get any work, yesterday my conmunication was deferred for 24 hours which is ok after it has checked for awhile will let you know if I get any around 18:30 BST
                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                Profile James Sotherden
                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                Joined: May 16 99
                                                                                                                                                Posts: 1279
                                                                                                                                                Credit: 1,381,861
                                                                                                                                                RAC: 8,695
                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                Message 908701 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 11:45:13 UTC

                                                                                                                                                  Well I just shut the old P4 down due to i cant upload, But thats ok. Now is the time to blow the dust bunnies out of it.
                                                                                                                                                  Mac still has quite a bit of MB WU. Ill let them run out and if they havnet uploaded ill suspend Seti and let milkyway have free run.
                                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                                  Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                  Australia
                                                                                                                                                  Message 908702 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 11:55:09 UTC - in response to Message 908701.


                                                                                                                                                    Still plenty of work Ready to Send, but outbound network traffic has dropped even further, and inbound has increased slightly. Looks like they'll have their work cut out for them tomorrow getting things unclogged.
                                                                                                                                                    ____________
                                                                                                                                                    Grant
                                                                                                                                                    Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                    Profile James Sotherden
                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                    Joined: May 16 99
                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 1279
                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 1,381,861
                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 8,695
                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                    Message 908707 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 12:26:58 UTC

                                                                                                                                                      I tried a few times to get work for the P4 but no go so i just shut er down.
                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                      Profile MadMaC
                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Apr 4 01
                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 44
                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 4,078,421
                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 15,499
                                                                                                                                                      United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                      Message 908717 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 13:02:25 UTC

                                                                                                                                                        I know there are problems which are leading to an inability to upload or download work - thats fine, these things happen. My query revolves around the status page, the ones I check are

                                                                                                                                                        http://tnmshouse.com/xml_trans.php
                                                                                                                                                        http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

                                                                                                                                                        these give no indication of everything being wrong, am I misreading these or am I looking at the wrong pages and should be checking somewhere else..


                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                        Profile Gundolf Jahn
                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Sep 19 00
                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 1248
                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 183,359
                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 163
                                                                                                                                                        Germany
                                                                                                                                                        Message 908740 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 13:48:14 UTC - in response to Message 908737.

                                                                                                                                                          . . . *My* 0.02 cents . . .

                                                                                                                                                          Wow, that's little! Where do they have hundredth of cents? ;-)

                                                                                                                                                          Profile [AF>france>pas-de-calais]symaski62
                                                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Aug 12 05
                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 195
                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 22,033
                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 61
                                                                                                                                                          France
                                                                                                                                                          Message 908741 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 13:52:04 UTC

                                                                                                                                                            http://bluenorthernsoftware.com/scarecrow/sahstats/graphs.php?t=48

                                                                                                                                                            11h00 => 51 & 52 results/ second record ?!?

                                                                                                                                                            BOUM! FOU !
                                                                                                                                                            ____________
                                                                                                                                                            SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
                                                                                                                                                            with a general handicap of 80% and it makes much d' efforts for the community and s' expimer, thank you d' to be understanding.

                                                                                                                                                            Profile Dr. C.E.T.I.
                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Feb 29 00
                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 15245
                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 525,847
                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 31
                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                            Message 908743 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 13:56:31 UTC - in response to Message 908740.


                                                                                                                                                              . . . *My* 0.02 cents . . .

                                                                                                                                                              Wow, that's little! Where do they have hundredth of cents? ;-)


                                                                                                                                                              eh Gundolf ;)) maybe THIS: $00.02 [cents]


                                                                                                                                                              ____________
                                                                                                                                                              BOINC Wiki . . .

                                                                                                                                                              Science Status Page . . .

                                                                                                                                                              Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                              Germany
                                                                                                                                                              Message 908754 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 14:27:23 UTC - in response to Message 908342.

                                                                                                                                                                You can switch it on right now, if you attach to another project as it has been suggested you do since the day BOINC went live.


                                                                                                                                                                No thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                If you looked in my account data/profile.. I'm 100 % SETIan.. no other BOINC project.

                                                                                                                                                                So?

                                                                                                                                                                Consider crunching for SETI BETA. They have a slightly different mix of servers, and they aren't necessarily down when SETI "main" is down.


                                                                                                                                                                So?

                                                                                                                                                                Hmm.. if the servers would be separated.. maybe it would be a well idea..

                                                                                                                                                                But now (maybe always) SETI@home Beta Test have the same probs like SETI@home.

                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                Profile Vipin Palazhi
                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Feb 29 08
                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 133
                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 12,222,879
                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 33,184
                                                                                                                                                                India
                                                                                                                                                                Message 908755 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 14:33:38 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                  I just added a new cruncher to my account. It sent out work requests twice for the 2 day cache that I have set and successfully downloaded 17 WUs without any trouble. So downloads dont seem to be an issue. However, my other crunchers have 100s of completed WUs waiting for upload, and unless these get reported, no new work will be downloaded. Suspended network activity on all for the time being.
                                                                                                                                                                  ______________

                                                                                                                                                                  MJS
                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 6
                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 52,618,104
                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 201,442
                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                  Message 908774 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 15:18:53 UTC - in response to Message 908762.

                                                                                                                                                                    FYI

                                                                                                                                                                    Host 4947578 has been off line all night. No work ! 4 pages of work waiting to up load. Additional work has always been set at 2 days. It is lucky to keep one day of work.

                                                                                                                                                                    Mike
                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                    BarryAZ
                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Apr 1 01
                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 721
                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 3,476,595
                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 1,595
                                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                                    Message 908786 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 15:53:52 UTC - in response to Message 908737.

                                                                                                                                                                      The folks at Climate make this suggestion periodically as well -- makes sense for those doing single project work (which doesn't make all that much sense as a primary focus of the BOINC project was multi-project support so that project specific outages would be less bothersome).

                                                                                                                                                                      Now if the BOINC client included a feature for 'suspend network activity for specific projects' that would be nice. Then again, if the BOINC client including support for ATI GPU's, that also would be nice.




                                                                                                                                                                      and, a Suggestion - for the Time being: Suspend network activity - user request UNTIL the ISSUES are corrected [including VALIDATE ERRORS]




                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                      Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                      Message 908787 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 16:05:41 UTC - in response to Message 908754.

                                                                                                                                                                        Hmm.. if the servers would be separated.. maybe it would be a well idea..

                                                                                                                                                                        The problem is that a lot of the storage is through the NAS box, or through mounts on various drives -- and those work best on a LAN. The interdependencies mean that you have more than one critical server for some functions.

                                                                                                                                                                        The best idea would be for SETI to find a great big pile of money (or a great big pile of brand new servers, with the right OS preloaded and driver issues all resolved).

                                                                                                                                                                        Then they could reduce the interdependencies.


                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                        Richard Haselgrove
                                                                                                                                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Jul 4 99
                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 3764
                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 10,975,333
                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 18,966
                                                                                                                                                                        United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                        Message 908794 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 16:24:53 UTC - in response to Message 908786.

                                                                                                                                                                          The folks at Climate make this suggestion periodically as well -- makes sense for those doing single project work (which doesn't make all that much sense as a primary focus of the BOINC project was multi-project support so that project specific outages would be less bothersome).

                                                                                                                                                                          Now if the BOINC client included a feature for 'suspend network activity for specific projects' that would be nice. Then again, if the BOINC client including support for ATI GPU's, that also would be nice.


                                                                                                                                                                          and, a Suggestion - for the Time being: Suspend network activity - user request UNTIL the ISSUES are corrected [including VALIDATE ERRORS]




                                                                                                                                                                          Please add your support to trac ticket #139.

                                                                                                                                                                          [Yes, two years old - but stranger things have happened recently]

                                                                                                                                                                          -Bert-
                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Mar 23 02
                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 152
                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 412,754
                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 0
                                                                                                                                                                          Netherlands
                                                                                                                                                                          Message 908798 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 16:29:41 UTC - in response to Message 908794.

                                                                                                                                                                            Last modified: 18 Jun 2009 16:32:42 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                            I've been able to do some uploads now. Reporting goes well. I noticed on the server status page that they have put in a mb_splitter_try server on bambi.

                                                                                                                                                                            Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                                            Germany
                                                                                                                                                                            Message 908813 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 17:03:15 UTC - in response to Message 908774.

                                                                                                                                                                              Last modified: 18 Jun 2009 17:04:40 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                              FYI

                                                                                                                                                                              Host 4947578 has been off line all night. No work ! 4 pages of work waiting to up load. Additional work has always been set at 2 days. It is lucky to keep one day of work.

                                                                                                                                                                              Mike


                                                                                                                                                                              Hey Mike..

                                                                                                                                                                              ..your nice rig is a topic also in an other thread:

                                                                                                                                                                              Technical News : Comedy (Jun 17 2009) - Message 908762

                                                                                                                                                                              :-)


                                                                                                                                                                              BTW.
                                                                                                                                                                              My GPU cruncher is also offline.. upload not possible -> no work request -> idle

                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                              U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                              MJS
                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 6
                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 52,618,104
                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 201,442
                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                              Message 908815 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 17:07:37 UTC - in response to Message 908813.

                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, I had posted it over there. Someone moved it here.
                                                                                                                                                                                Oh well...

                                                                                                                                                                                Hans Kramer
                                                                                                                                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: May 16 99
                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 58
                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 4,053,251
                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 13,067
                                                                                                                                                                                Netherlands
                                                                                                                                                                                Message 908816 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 17:08:20 UTC - in response to Message 908798.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've been able to do some uploads now. Reporting goes well. I noticed on the server status page that they have put in a mb_splitter_try server on bambi.


                                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah, and the Splitter Status gives 18(!) channels in progress ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                  Can't believe that's right though.
                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                  Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                                                  Germany
                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 908819 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 17:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 908815.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, I had posted it over there. Someone moved it here.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh well...


                                                                                                                                                                                    If a Mod moved a post, you get an EMail why and which Mod done it.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I guess this must be enabled (SETI@home preferences) :
                                                                                                                                                                                    Is it OK for SETI@home and your team (if any) to email you? yes

                                                                                                                                                                                    But don't post Mod activities in the forum.
                                                                                                                                                                                    EMail the Mods if you feel that it wasn't a well action.

                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                    U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                    Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                                                    Germany
                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 908822 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 17:22:35 UTC - in response to Message 908819.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Last modified: 18 Jun 2009 17:23:17 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, I had posted it over there. Someone moved it here.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh well...


                                                                                                                                                                                      If a Mod moved a post, you get an EMail why and which Mod done it.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I guess this must be enabled (SETI@home preferences) :
                                                                                                                                                                                      Is it OK for SETI@home and your team (if any) to email you? yes

                                                                                                                                                                                      But don't post Mod activities in the forum.
                                                                                                                                                                                      EMail the Mods if you feel that it wasn't a well action.


                                                                                                                                                                                      If you have there no..

                                                                                                                                                                                      Post rules #8:
                                                                                                                                                                                      Do not posts comments related to specific moderator actions. The moderators may be contacted at
                                                                                                                                                                                      seti_moderators (the small sign) ssl . berkeley . edu

                                                                                                                                                                                      :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                      U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                      Louie Wilkerson
                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Jun 14 99
                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 1
                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 236,164
                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 141
                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 908826 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 17:26:45 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                        Have been getting the message may be down for the last two days. My work units is just setting there saying uploading. any help would get my thanks.
                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                        Profile [B^S] madmac
                                                                                                                                                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Feb 9 04
                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 770
                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 382,900
                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 364
                                                                                                                                                                                        United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 908830 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 17:32:22 UTC - in response to Message 908698.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Luckily I had some downloads and the master file download because of this little problem
                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                          Profile Geek@Play
                                                                                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Jul 31 01
                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 1815
                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 25,673,859
                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 83,174
                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 908833 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 17:37:41 UTC


                                                                                                                                                                                            mb_splitter_try

                                                                                                                                                                                            Hmmmmm.........
                                                                                                                                                                                            This must be a wanna be splitter that does not yet warrant it's own number?
                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                            Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....Boinc

                                                                                                                                                                                            Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 908839 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 18:01:50 UTC - in response to Message 908833.


                                                                                                                                                                                              mb_splitter_try

                                                                                                                                                                                              Hmmmmm.........
                                                                                                                                                                                              This must be a wanna be splitter that does not yet warrant it's own number?

                                                                                                                                                                                              ... or a "test" version that doesn't do a "count" against the database.
                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                              Profile Dr. C.E.T.I.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Feb 29 00
                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 15245
                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 525,847
                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 31
                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 908846 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 18:17:18 UTC - in response to Message 908794.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The folks at Climate make this suggestion periodically as well -- makes sense for those doing single project work (which doesn't make all that much sense as a primary focus of the BOINC project was multi-project support so that project specific outages would be less bothersome).

                                                                                                                                                                                                Now if the BOINC client included a feature for 'suspend network activity for specific projects' that would be nice. Then again, if the BOINC client including support for ATI GPU's, that also would be nice.


                                                                                                                                                                                                and, a Suggestion - for the Time being: Suspend network activity - user request UNTIL the ISSUES are corrected [including VALIDATE ERRORS]






                                                                                                                                                                                                Please add your support to trac ticket #139.

                                                                                                                                                                                                [Yes, two years old - but stranger things have happened recently]



                                                                                                                                                                                                > Thanks Richard - will get to that after i speak with Eric [Korpela]



                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                BOINC Wiki . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                Science Status Page . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                -Bert-
                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Mar 23 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 152
                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 412,754
                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                Netherlands
                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 908855 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 18:38:07 UTC - in response to Message 908846.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  LOTS of MB's coming in now. Even Cuda, which I haven't had for a couple of days.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Profile Eric Martin
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Jun 11 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 619,839
                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 1,944
                                                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 908858 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 18:40:29 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have somewhere around 100-150 WUs trying to upload and I keep getting the error message that the servers may be temporarily down. Yet, when I check the server status page, things look fine. What gives?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sten-Arne
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Nov 1 08
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 127
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 460,762
                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 1,548
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sweden
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 908860 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 18:41:56 UTC - in response to Message 908858.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Last modified: 18 Jun 2009 18:48:48 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have somewhere around 100-150 WUs trying to upload and I keep getting the error message that the servers may be temporarily down. Yet, when I check the server status page, things look fine. What gives?


                                                                                                                                                                                                      Check the sticky
                                                                                                                                                                                                      SERVER OUTAGE: 6/18/09

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profile Blurf
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Sep 2 06
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 3116
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 778,183
                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 592
                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 908862 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 18:48:24 UTC - in response to Message 908826.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Have been getting the message may be down for the last two days. My work units is just setting there saying uploading. any help would get my thanks.


                                                                                                                                                                                                        Please refer to the Server Outage Announcement
                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Play Fallen Sword!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Zydor
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Oct 4 03
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 164
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 469,442
                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                        United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 908863 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 18:50:56 UTC - in response to Message 908855.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yup - looks like someone took the cork out the bottle - they are pouring out, my backlog disappeared in a blink and got refilled. I suspect the only issue left now is the sheer number of updates and refills to be done to catch up may cause some delay, but the cavalry has definitely turned up :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Regards
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Zy
                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 1117
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 908866 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 18:58:17 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I had about 10 WUs upload, while 20 more finished and are trying to upload. I think one of the mechanisms of BOINC is that it will not request more work until all the uploads are done, correct?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            That means I can see my four rigs requesting upwards of 2M seconds of work combined once all the uploads are done. That will be a lot.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sten-Arne
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Nov 1 08
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 127
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 460,762
                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 1,548
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sweden
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 908867 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 19:00:54 UTC - in response to Message 908863.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yup - looks like someone took the cork out the bottle - they are pouring out, my backlog disappeared in a blink and got refilled. I suspect the only issue left now is the sheer number of updates and refills to be done to catch up may cause some delay, but the cavalry has definitely turned up :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Regards
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Zy


                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes indeed they seem to be pouring in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              However, now we will soon face another problem: No more WU's to send out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Looking at the server status page, there are not that many files left to split, and bearing in mind that there is a problem down in Arecibo, with getting new files up to Berkeley, I predict that by Friday or maybe Saturday all files will be split and all WU's sent out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Up your caches folks take WU's while there are any :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sten-Arne

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Profile Blurf
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Sep 2 06
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 3116
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 778,183
                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 592
                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 908869 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 19:02:06 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                They're shorties but work is work...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Play Fallen Sword!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Profile Dr. C.E.T.I.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Feb 29 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 15245
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 525,847
                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 31
                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 908873 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 19:12:28 UTC


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  . . . nice work David - the pipes are busting open wide - Thanks [To 'others' @ Berkeley as well]



                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BOINC Wiki . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Science Status Page . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Fred W
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Jun 13 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 2175
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 5,948,719
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 18,023
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 908877 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 19:19:10 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Now, if I could only get these 328 uploads to go through, then I could take advantage of the pipes being open again!! Only 15 MB - just about 3 hours - and no CUDA left in my 3-day cache :-(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    F.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Richard Haselgrove
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Jul 4 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 3764
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 10,975,333
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 18,966
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 908884 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 19:37:39 UTC - in response to Message 908866.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I had about 10 WUs upload, while 20 more finished and are trying to upload. I think one of the mechanisms of BOINC is that it will not request more work until all the uploads are done, correct?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Close. It doesn't quite wait until they've all gone: just until the number remaining is down to twice the number of CPU cores (yes, cpu - CUDA doesn't count here).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That means I can see my four rigs requesting upwards of 2M seconds of work combined once all the uploads are done. That will be a lot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Some would regard it as polite if you left a few for the rest of us - and didn't clog up Matt's server with tasks you won't get round to for a couple of weeks!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      XWing69
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Jan 3 08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 43
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 866,228
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 1,176
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 908899 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 19:59:49 UTC - in response to Message 908867.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes indeed they seem to be pouring in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        However, now we will soon face another problem: No more WU's to send out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Looking at the server status page, there are not that many files left to split, and bearing in mind that there is a problem down in Arecibo, with getting new files up to Berkeley, I predict that by Friday or maybe Saturday all files will be split and all WU's sent out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Up your caches folks take WU's while there are any :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sten-Arne


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I (unfortunately) have to agree with you. On my non-CUDA C2D machines I normally have the setting at 1 / 1.5. However, given this last issue at SETI, I've increased to 1 / 5.0 for now (couldn't bear to change it to 10) until things stabilized again, then will change back. At least I got my machine at work going again, but I powered off my machine at home when this issue occurred (both units ran dry). Too bad I hit my limit (200/day for my C2D), but only 4 more hours until 00:00 UTC....


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Profile Borgholio
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Aug 2 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 600
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 1,480,708
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 6,727
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 908909 - Posted 18 Jun 2009 20:23:03 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have my work cache set at 1 / 10, and I can't remember the last time I ran out of CUDA work. Some might say that hoarding 10 days of work is selfish, but my computers never have any problems crunching them. I would rather have a bit of a wait to get credits than run out of work. I'm just kicking back and waiting for things to straighten themselves out.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You will be assimilated...bunghole!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 909059 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 5:18:17 UTC - in response to Message 908909.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have my work cache set at 1 / 10, and I can't remember the last time I ran out of CUDA work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've got mine set to 0.1 / 4, and i've only run out of work a couple of times since Seti moved to the BOINC platfrom.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Grant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 1117
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 909062 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 6:10:10 UTC - in response to Message 908884.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I had about 10 WUs upload, while 20 more finished and are trying to upload. I think one of the mechanisms of BOINC is that it will not request more work until all the uploads are done, correct?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Close. It doesn't quite wait until they've all gone: just until the number remaining is down to twice the number of CPU cores (yes, cpu - CUDA doesn't count here).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That means I can see my four rigs requesting upwards of 2M seconds of work combined once all the uploads are done. That will be a lot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Some would regard it as polite if you left a few for the rest of us - and didn't clog up Matt's server with tasks you won't get round to for a couple of weeks!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Well something definitely got kicked in the server closet. Just uploaded and reported 90 tasks. I tried three uploads one at a time and they went right through, so I selected all and hit "retry now" and they all cleared out in under a minute, then reported them all, requesting 1,109,803 seconds of work (just one rig requested half of the combined total I mentioned earlier..). Got no tasks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's fine though, I still have a day or two of work left on this rig.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And for the record, all of my rigs have always been set for 0.1/4.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              msattler
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Jul 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 15667
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 44,255,625
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 115,912
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 909064 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 6:16:19 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Last modified: 19 Jun 2009 6:16:51 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Just got home from a 10 hour shift.......
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Had 3 rigs out of 8 sucking wind...............
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Kicked the uploads through, they went just fine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Now the kitties are nuzzling the kibble bowl hungrily trying to refill poor Mother Hubbard's cupboard. Got enough to warm the cores back up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                At least they have something to crunch on for now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                4 kitties on a Seti mission...Meeeeeeooowwwrrrrr!!!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Genuine Kittyman..........accept no substitutes.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 909066 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 6:26:46 UTC - in response to Message 909064.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The last of my uploads have gone through, and every few requests a couple of new Work Units download.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Grant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 1117
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 909160 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 14:21:19 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Between 0700 and 1400utc, my main cruncher has managed to get its work requests down to ~400,000 seconds. Only took 134 new MBs to go from 1.1M to 400k, but it is going down. Just wait until the two APs are gone. Those will account for a decent amount of work request by themselves.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Steve Dodd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: May 29 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 23
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 3,065,760
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 5,247
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 909167 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 14:39:50 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've cleared my upload, but can't report the 45 tasks on my 2X4. Tried looking at the Cricket graphs (don't trust the server status page) - they're not loading at all?!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Steve Dodd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: May 29 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 23
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 3,065,760
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 5,247
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 909170 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 14:55:16 UTC - in response to Message 909167.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Must have been a hiccup. Just cleared them. Still no Cricket graphs, though.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        msattler
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Jul 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 15667
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 44,255,625
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 115,912
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 909189 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 15:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 909170.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Must have been a hiccup. Just cleared them. Still no Cricket graphs, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LOL...first Seti, now the Crickets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Although work requests are being met with sporadic success, the kitties have been hunting down enough to keep the crunchers going, so far.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          4 kitties on a Seti mission...Meeeeeeooowwwrrrrr!!!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Genuine Kittyman..........accept no substitutes.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 909198 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 16:10:27 UTC - in response to Message 909170.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Must have been a hiccup. Just cleared them. Still no Cricket graphs, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Remember that cricket is a tool for the Berkeley CNS department, and isn't exactly meant for us. They could have moved it, or stopped it, or whatever they please.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Howard Brittain
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Oct 23 06
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 2
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 3,935
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 909205 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 16:30:11 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have Boinc running for several days but after it finished a chunk of data . . . nothing is coming down the line. My iMac is idle most of the day so it is free to work in seti... why is seti not sending data to me immediately ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Howard

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              msattler
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Jul 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 15667
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 44,255,625
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 115,912
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 909207 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 16:36:13 UTC - in response to Message 909198.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Must have been a hiccup. Just cleared them. Still no Cricket graphs, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Remember that cricket is a tool for the Berkeley CNS department, and isn't exactly meant for us. They could have moved it, or stopped it, or whatever they please.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I would hope that they do not mind us using it....
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It is a very helpful tool for us too, and we have referenced it for years now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe Eric or Matt could inquire.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                4 kitties on a Seti mission...Meeeeeeooowwwrrrrr!!!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Genuine Kittyman..........accept no substitutes.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Rob.B
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Jul 23 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 154
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 1,350,193
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 59
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 909220 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 17:13:08 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Any idea when/if we are ever going to get any sort of reliability again? Please no stuff about "no momey" or "second hand servers" ect, please (I'm fed up of hearing it).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Just an honest answer, that's all i ask.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  msattler
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Jul 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 15667
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 44,255,625
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 115,912
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 909224 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 17:19:56 UTC - in response to Message 909220.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Any idea when/if we are ever going to get any sort of reliability again? Please no stuff about "no momey" or "second hand servers" ect, please (I'm fed up of hearing it).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just an honest answer, that's all i ask.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There is no firm answer there, my friend.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The project recently received a donation of some Intel servers, which they are working on brining online, and that may help.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Once the current excess of MB work is crunched up, there should be some more AP work available again, and that may help somewhat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just rest assured that they are working on it every day to try to find solutions....just read Matt's technical notes for some background on what they are faced with from time to time and some of the things they are trying.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    4 kitties on a Seti mission...Meeeeeeooowwwrrrrr!!!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Genuine Kittyman..........accept no substitutes.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 909227 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 17:29:23 UTC - in response to Message 909207.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Must have been a hiccup. Just cleared them. Still no Cricket graphs, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Remember that cricket is a tool for the Berkeley CNS department, and isn't exactly meant for us. They could have moved it, or stopped it, or whatever they please.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I would hope that they do not mind us using it....
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It is a very helpful tool for us too, and we have referenced it for years now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Maybe Eric or Matt could inquire.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was just pointing out that they probably don't think of this as a "service" to any outside group, but as an internal measurement tool.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They could make changes at any time, and probably not even realize that some of us watch it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 909230 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 17:33:28 UTC - in response to Message 909220.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last modified: 19 Jun 2009 17:38:39 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Any idea when/if we are ever going to get any sort of reliability again? Please no stuff about "no momey" or "second hand servers" ect, please (I'm fed up of hearing it).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just an honest answer, that's all i ask.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Something less than 90% reliability is probably fine for BOINC. If the BOINC servers are down, the BOINC client will just retry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's only an issue when there are extended problems.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ... and even then, my two active crunchers have not run out of work during these bumpy times.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        P.S. I'm kind of tired of the pessimistic "are we ever going to have any reliability" or "why doesn't BOINC work" when work is flowing and credit is being granted, and improvements are (slowly) coming.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Profile Ageless
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Jun 9 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 9590
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 102,947
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 226
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Netherlands
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 909231 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 17:35:48 UTC - in response to Message 909227.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Nah, if you check the others available, you'll see they all stopped at the same time. Unless they changed all of them to a new position... http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Just click any number, any tier.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jord

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          -BOINC FAQ Service
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          -Nvidia CUDA & ATI CAL FAQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Courtesy starts with your first post of the thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 909232 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 17:40:46 UTC - in response to Message 909231.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nah, if you check the others available, you'll see they all stopped at the same time. Unless they changed all of them to a new position... http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When I see "newcricket" in the URL, it implies that there is an old cricket someplace, and maybe they moved "newcricket" to the old URL (and this is abandoned in place).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's probably easier to find the new graphs than it is to ask CNS what they did.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Profile Neil Blaikie
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: May 17 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 118
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 935,685
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 1,505
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Canada
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 909234 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 17:46:18 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LOL had to laugh at this

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6/19/2009 12:43:12 AM A new version of BOINC (6.0.0) is available for your computer!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              WHAT I am already running 6.6.20, something not right there somewhere!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Profile [AF>france>pas-de-calais]symaski62
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Aug 12 05
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 195
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 22,033
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 61
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              France
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 909258 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 18:27:39 UTC - in response to Message 909234.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LOL had to laugh at this

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6/19/2009 12:43:12 AM A new version of BOINC (6.0.0) is available for your computer!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                WHAT I am already running 6.6.20, something not right there somewhere!


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LMAO !
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                with a general handicap of 80% and it makes much d' efforts for the community and s' expimer, thank you d' to be understanding.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Germany
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 909293 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 21:45:19 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Last modified: 19 Jun 2009 21:50:25 UTC



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  [no static, up-to-date pic]


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ops.. the aliens robbed a piece of the graph.. ;-)



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  EDIT:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It remember me to the movie 'Contact'..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ..what she made in one second? ..but, why there are some hours of nothing on the tape?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  [something like this.. ;-)]

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Profile triepke
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 39
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 9,915
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 12
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Belgium
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 909297 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 22:04:18 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    do we all have a graphic like this one? and how can we see or go to it?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    thanks for helping me, just trying to understand a little thats all
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Germany
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 909298 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 22:13:04 UTC - in response to Message 909297.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      do we all have a graphic like this one? and how can we see or go to it?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      thanks for helping me, just trying to understand a little thats all


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's not my own graph.. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's the network traffic of Berkeley.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Router which manage in/out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BTW.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Small click on the pic (graph) - and more infos.. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profile triepke
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 39
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 9,915
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 12
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Belgium
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 909300 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 22:16:02 UTC - in response to Message 909298.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the info
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 909312 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 22:50:25 UTC - in response to Message 909298.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          do we all have a graphic like this one? and how can we see or go to it?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          thanks for helping me, just trying to understand a little thats all


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's not my own graph.. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's the network traffic of Berkeley.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Router which manage in/out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BTW.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Small click on the pic (graph) - and more infos.. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Graphing bits per second is slightly more interesting because we don't know how many bits are in a packet (we can guess), but we know it is a 100 megabit wire.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 909318 - Posted 19 Jun 2009 23:00:59 UTC - in response to Message 909312.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My cache has pretty much been filled up.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Interestingly there is still a very high level of inbound & outbound traffic.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Grant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 1117
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 909345 - Posted 20 Jun 2009 0:31:39 UTC - in response to Message 909160.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Between 0700 and 1400utc, my main cruncher has managed to get its work requests down to ~400,000 seconds. Only took 134 new MBs to go from 1.1M to 400k, but it is going down. Just wait until the two APs are gone. Those will account for a decent amount of work request by themselves.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And then between 1400utc and 2245utc, another 130 MBs, and have satisfied the work requests. It stopped asking for more work since it caught up.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Profile Jack Zhang
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Jul 2 06
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 194
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 1,515,263
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 2,670
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Canada
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 909356 - Posted 20 Jun 2009 1:02:08 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Is the validator mostly working? I want to start crunching without having tons of points discarded.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If it's still malfunctioning, I'll still have to Fold on the GPU instead of crunch with SETI for the next while.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What if Fiction was Fact and Fact was Fiction and vice versa?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 909362 - Posted 20 Jun 2009 1:17:33 UTC - in response to Message 909356.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Is the validator mostly working?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It was sorted out yesterday.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Grant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Speedy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Jun 26 04
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 273
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 495,528
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 1,289
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  New Zealand
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 909471 - Posted 20 Jun 2009 9:34:05 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    mb_splitter 12, 13 & 14 is disabled any idea why? To much load on the system maybe?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Live in NZ y not join Smile City?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Richard Haselgrove
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Jul 4 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 3764
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 10,975,333
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 18,966
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 909474 - Posted 20 Jun 2009 9:39:35 UTC - in response to Message 909471.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mb_splitter 12, 13 & 14 is disabled any idea why? To much load on the system maybe?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Only six splitters are shown as running, but there are 19 channels in progress.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I guess they've spread the load onto other servers, but haven't got round to displaying them on the status page yet. More important fish to fry first.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 909567 - Posted 20 Jun 2009 16:19:41 UTC - in response to Message 909471.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mb_splitter 12, 13 & 14 is disabled any idea why? To much load on the system maybe?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        From all appearances, having all of the splitters running is unusual. They seem to adjust the number of splitters based on demand -- so that work is split at or a little above the rate it is being assigned.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Profile Rick B
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Mar 6 01
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 92
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 311,506
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 124
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Canada
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 909719 - Posted 20 Jun 2009 23:30:13 UTC - in response to Message 909567.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2 weeks ago there was 130+ tapes awaiting to be split. I have checked today three times and it seems we are eating through 1 tape every 4-6 hours? The list is now down to 30 tapes and all of the data being split is from 2009 recordings which leaves older 2008 recordings to do. Seems to me that we may be out of data sooner than later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not a Panic ... just a thought.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Does any one know the status of the new recorder setup?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 1117
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 909733 - Posted 21 Jun 2009 1:12:06 UTC - in response to Message 909719.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2 weeks ago there was 130+ tapes awaiting to be split. I have checked today three times and it seems we are eating through 1 tape every 4-6 hours? The list is now down to 30 tapes and all of the data being split is from 2009 recordings which leaves older 2008 recordings to do. Seems to me that we may be out of data sooner than later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not a Panic ... just a thought.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Does any one know the status of the new recorder setup?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Last I heard there was a "field trip" down to Arecibo to install/upgrade one of the recorders, and they were supposed to be taking a look at the raid controller in the box that does the recording to disk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Other than that, I haven't heard anything more. There may still be some tapes in off-site storage that can be pulled down, but if I remember one of Matt's posts correctly, he said there's a ton of data at that location, but it doesn't have any of the blanking information built-in, so he has to get the software radar blanker working better to be able to split those tapes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Of course that only affects AP, but we don't want to load up 100+ tapes and turn the AP splitters off and end up with the inverse situation we're trying to come out of (MB fell behind AP, but it could easily go the other way unless both splitters are running simultaneously).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Josef W. Segur
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer developer
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Oct 30 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 2244
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 405,497
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 438
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 909864 - Posted 21 Jun 2009 15:12:25 UTC - in response to Message 909733.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2 weeks ago there was 130+ tapes awaiting to be split. I have checked today three times and it seems we are eating through 1 tape every 4-6 hours? The list is now down to 30 tapes and all of the data being split is from 2009 recordings which leaves older 2008 recordings to do. Seems to me that we may be out of data sooner than later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not a Panic ... just a thought.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Does any one know the status of the new recorder setup?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Last I heard there was a "field trip" down to Arecibo to install/upgrade one of the recorders, and they were supposed to be taking a look at the raid controller in the box that does the recording to disk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Other than that, I haven't heard anything more. There may still be some tapes in off-site storage that can be pulled down, but if I remember one of Matt's posts correctly, he said there's a ton of data at that location, but it doesn't have any of the blanking information built-in, so he has to get the software radar blanker working better to be able to split those tapes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Of course that only affects AP, but we don't want to load up 100+ tapes and turn the AP splitters off and end up with the inverse situation we're trying to come out of (MB fell behind AP, but it could easily go the other way unless both splitters are running simultaneously).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The latest word was that the problem has shifted to getting the CDT data acquisition card working with the newer version of the OS they had to install to get the raid working...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The problem with radar noise was noted before AP, it tended to make a huge number of triplets and/or spikes in S@H Enhanced work. AP may actually be less impacted than Enhanced because it has inbuilt code to replace noisy sections with shaped random data.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As far what data remains to be split, on May 14 Matt said:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1225 of the 1787 archived data files are from 2008 or later, and of these 249 have yet to be split. So we got plenty of numbers to crunch until we get the data recorder working again.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My estimate is they probably still have over 200 not yet pulled back from NERSC, and since they will provide both MB and AP data each should supply crunching for about half a day. So perhaps 100 days to the real panic?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joe

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 909875 - Posted 21 Jun 2009 16:21:45 UTC - in response to Message 909733.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Last modified: 21 Jun 2009 16:22:17 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Of course that only affects AP, but we don't want to load up 100+ tapes and turn the AP splitters off and end up with the inverse situation we're trying to come out of (MB fell behind AP, but it could easily go the other way unless both splitters are running simultaneously).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The "situation we're trying to come out of" was caused by the scheduler assigning work out of proportion to what is split.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Seems like that has been solved, and we're playing "catch up" with MB. They could add tapes with mixed work, but it won't really change the mix.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If there are tapes in the archive that are suitable for MB but can't be split for AP, that's a different situation, and we'll just have to grin and bear it, because any time you try to "force" one or the other, you have to make up for it later.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Profile Gary Charpentier
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Dec 25 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 1610
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 1,138,378
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 492
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910623 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 2:10:56 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Seems to be a download problem. Wrong size isn't one I've seen before.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:01:26 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:01:26 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25: connect() failed
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:01:26 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 9 sec on download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:01:27 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:01:59 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:01:59 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:01:59 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:02:00 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:02:35 2009 SETI@home [error] File 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25 has wrong size: expected 375329, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:02:35 2009 SETI@home Started download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:02:59 2009 SETI@home [error] File 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173 has wrong size: expected 375335, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tue Jun 23 19:02:59 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sten-Arne
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Nov 1 08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 127
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 460,762
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 1,548
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sweden
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 910626 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 2:14:10 UTC - in response to Message 910623.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Seems to be a download problem. Wrong size isn't one I've seen before.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:01:26 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:01:26 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25: connect() failed
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:01:26 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 9 sec on download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:01:27 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:01:59 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:01:59 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:01:59 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:02:00 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:02:35 2009 SETI@home [error] File 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25 has wrong size: expected 375329, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:02:35 2009 SETI@home Started download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:02:59 2009 SETI@home [error] File 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173 has wrong size: expected 375335, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tue Jun 23 19:02:59 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The system doesn't seem to have come up fully yet, after the weekly outage. There seems to be certain things not working yet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Take a cup of coffee, and/or a walk ( a long long walk) :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sten-Arne

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Profile Labbie
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Jun 19 06
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 4027
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 3,890,642
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 14,564
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 910627 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 2:14:11 UTC - in response to Message 910623.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Seems to be a download problem. Wrong size isn't one I've seen before.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:01:26 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:01:26 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25: connect() failed
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:01:26 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 9 sec on download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:01:27 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:01:59 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:01:59 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:01:59 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:02:00 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:02:35 2009 SETI@home [error] File 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25 has wrong size: expected 375329, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:02:35 2009 SETI@home Started download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:02:59 2009 SETI@home [error] File 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173 has wrong size: expected 375335, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Tue Jun 23 19:02:59 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm getting them too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Calm Chaos Forum...Join Calm Chaos Now

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profile uli
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Feb 6 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 2792
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 412,160
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 364
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Germany
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 910631 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 2:42:12 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 6:30:15 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mine have uploaded ok.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Dah, you guys are right, downloads are the problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pluto will always be a planet to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Still looking for that perfect gift, how about an anni shirt? Don't be shy, send me a PM.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Cash Donation Specialist

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sten-Arne
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Nov 1 08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 127
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 460,762
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 1,548
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sweden
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 910636 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 2:50:17 UTC - in response to Message 910631.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Mine have uploaded ok.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, but these were downloads

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Profile Gary Charpentier
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Dec 25 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 1610
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 1,138,378
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 492
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910652 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 4:16:22 UTC - in response to Message 910636.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Mine have uploaded ok.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, but these were downloads

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            True and they aren't ghosts either. Same number of units on the web as in the manager for the machine.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've plenty of work so I'm not in a panic. Just concerned if it got wide spread. A zero length might be a splitter problem.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Oh uploads are working from the same machine so it isn't a communication issue.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Anyone know how long BOINC will re-try before it finally gives up trying to fetch them?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Profile Westsail and *Pyxey*
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Jul 26 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 287
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 4,783,285
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 22,910
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 910655 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 4:29:27 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 4:30:24 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Had a slew of downloads pending..They just went through one after the other.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Getting:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6/23/2009 6:15:26 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6/23/2009 6:15:26 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6/23/2009 6:15:31 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6/23/2009 6:15:31 PM SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6/23/2009 6:22:47 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6/23/2009 6:22:47 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6/23/2009 6:22:52 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6/23/2009 6:22:52 PM SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Picked up some work from other projects; will try again this evening. Haven't looked the crickets, probably normal recovery logjam.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Keep Crunchin'! :)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather, 'hmm... that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              WinterKnight
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: May 18 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 3716
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 3,575,032
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 1,102
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910664 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 5:13:15 UTC - in response to Message 910655.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Had a slew of downloads pending..They just went through one after the other.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Getting:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6/23/2009 6:15:26 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6/23/2009 6:15:26 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6/23/2009 6:15:31 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6/23/2009 6:15:31 PM SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6/23/2009 6:22:47 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6/23/2009 6:22:47 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6/23/2009 6:22:52 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6/23/2009 6:22:52 PM SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Picked up some work from other projects; will try again this evening. Haven't looked the crickets, probably normal recovery logjam.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Keep Crunchin'! :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Cricket graphs report:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Average bits in (for the day): Average bits out (for the day): Cur: 3.35 Mbits/sec Cur: 9.31 Mbits/sec

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Profile Dr. C.E.T.I.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Feb 29 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 15245
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 525,847
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 31
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910666 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 5:22:37 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  . . . Server status: scheduler process - anakin - Disabled


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BOINC Wiki . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Science Status Page . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Profile [B^S] madmac
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Feb 9 04
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 770
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 382,900
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 364
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 910676 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 6:42:47 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 6:43:30 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I got this;
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    24/06/2009 06:31:12 BOINC can't access Internet - check network connection or proxy configuration.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    then thirty seconds later got a connect failed message then got an upload now just getting connect failed messages again. Cricket graph does not look health perhaps the server needs looking at. Now waiting for three downloads just wait and see what happens again. I know it is normally difficult after Tuesday, just thought I would let you know what I am getting. Times here are UTC+1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 910677 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 6:46:20 UTC - in response to Message 910676.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I got this;
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      24/06/2009 06:31:12 BOINC can't access Internet - check network connection or proxy configuration.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That would have a been a problem at your end (your computer, modem or ISP). Everything else though is a problem at Seti.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The system started to come up back up after the outage, then it fell over. Heavily.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Grant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profile [B^S] madmac
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Feb 9 04
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 770
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 382,900
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 364
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 910679 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 6:52:44 UTC - in response to Message 910677.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Then why as I did nothing did I get connect failed messages from then onwards and an upload weird isn't it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 910682 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 7:00:27 UTC - in response to Message 910679.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Then why as I did nothing did I get connect failed messages from then onwards and an upload weird isn't it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not really.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Whatever the glitch was with your computer/modem/ISP/whatever resolved iitself before the next attempt to communicate with the project. Uploas are still working, but contacting the Scheduler isn't possible & any downloads presently allocated won't download.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Grant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910683 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 7:13:24 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            What on Earth is wrong with Seti now? One of my machines is completely out of work - no tasks at all - and the other is not getting any new ones. This project seems to have caught a LOT of Gremlins lately.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I came back after a lengthy hiatus with a couple of 8-core machines to do Seti, but I am getting very frustrated with all the recent outages.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Can't anybody fix this? PLEASE!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 910684 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 7:16:52 UTC - in response to Message 910683.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Can't anybody fix this? PLEASE!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's normal for the servers to be down for a few hours of a Tuesday for maintenance. And it's not unusual for other problems to occur from time to time. That's why it's possible to maintain a cache.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've got a 4 day cache & have only run out of work a couple of times since Seti moved to BOINC (4, 5 years ago?). And even then the longest period of time without work was a few hours.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So the servers not being up 24/7 isn't a problem that needs fixing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Grant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Brodo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Feb 14 04
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 364
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 13,474,940
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 55,566
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910696 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 12:27:13 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 12:31:23 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No contact with the servers, No units available for download, Matt's post in the Technical News "Long Outage June23 2009," has disappeared
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Unable to handle request.....No thread with id 54313. Please check the link and try again."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Anyone know what's happening ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910699 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 12:33:36 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I posted something here last night, and it has disappeared...things are really screwed up!!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Profile [B^S] madmac
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Feb 9 04
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 770
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 382,900
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 364
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 910701 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 12:36:42 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I too posted something today well two messages and they have disappeared having trouble downloading again. Mainly connect failed or expecting and got zero
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Profile triepke
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 39
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 9,915
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 12
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Belgium
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 910702 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 12:38:01 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      how can there be no work available? It just took me ages to get my work oploaded and now nothing coming in. Its the first time im realy out of work
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profile Dirk Villarreal Wittich
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Oct 11 07
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 1128
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 100,292
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 119
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Spain
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 910704 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 12:38:38 UTC - in response to Message 910699.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I posted something here last night, and it has disappeared...things are really screwed up!!!!



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, some things got messed up!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I found at least two threads where it has been impossible to open/read, but the failure has been reported already.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hope they can fix it soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Cheers!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        International Year of Astronomy 2009
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Año Internacional de la Astronomía 2009

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 910707 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 12:43:38 UTC - in response to Message 910701.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I too posted something today well two messages and they have disappeared having trouble downloading again. Mainly connect failed or expecting and got zero


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I had to shut down my 2nd (8-core) cruncher because no work is being sent. Ya know, I came back to SETI because I got an email, and built 2 octocore machines to process WUs...seems like a waste right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Why can't these probs be fixed? Is the h/w too old and flaky? Is the s/w inadequate for the load? In particular, is mysql strong enough? Any thoughts or ideas? Thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Profile James Sotherden
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: May 16 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 1279
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 1,381,861
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 8,695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910715 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 13:04:31 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sever status shows the replica is shut down. I just returned 16 WU and the sever says it has a lot of WU now . when at 7:00 am EDT there was none.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bit Handiman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Mar 27 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 33
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 2,070,758
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 2,849
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            South Africa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 910720 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 13:21:13 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              We are getting download errors like those of last week.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Unexpected HTTP errors and wrong size errors
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Profile skildude
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Oct 4 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 2272
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 4,217,058
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 8,770
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910728 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 14:11:28 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Has anyone else noticed missing posts on the forums. I saw a few threads where posts appear to have disappeared
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                come fly with us at TSWB. Turn off ASTROPULSE HERE

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Profile Dr. C.E.T.I.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Feb 29 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 15245
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 525,847
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 31
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910729 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 14:13:27 UTC - in response to Message 910728.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Has anyone else noticed missing posts on the forums. I saw a few threads where posts appear to have disappeared


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes Sir - All of Yesterday's Posts and PMs have Virtually gone away as well . . .


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BOINC Wiki . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Science Status Page . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chelski
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Jan 3 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 112
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 4,685,521
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 7,420
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Malaysia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 910738 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 14:36:24 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have a different problem. I got assigned work, but they just refused to download properly. Anyone else seeing this wrong size error? Is the server sending erroneous signal to Boinc that the download is completed while in reality nothing was transferred?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    6/24/2009 10:34:03 PM SETI@home [error] File 06ap09ab.20174.20931.14.8.253 has wrong size: expected 375338, got 0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Profile cliff west
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: May 7 01
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 190
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 2,826,609
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 11,271
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 910742 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 14:49:08 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i have 6 tring to down load sence last night, and i'm out of cuda, i have my cashe set for 6 days, maybe i need to push to max
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profile Virtual Boss
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: May 4 08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 403
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 1,337,789
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 2,614
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 910743 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 14:49:34 UTC - in response to Message 910738.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 14:50:58 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have a different problem. I got assigned work, but they just refused to download properly. Anyone else seeing this wrong size error? Is the server sending erroneous signal to Boinc that the download is completed while in reality nothing was transferred?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        6/24/2009 10:34:03 PM SETI@home [error] File 06ap09ab.20174.20931.14.8.253 has wrong size: expected 375338, got 0


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        06ap09ab.20174.20931.14.8.253 has wrong size: expected 375338, got 0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This means the server tried to send the file, but you did not receive any of it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Boinc will keep trying until you do receive it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        EDIT: Fixed tags.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Flying high with Team Sicituradastra.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Profile triepke
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 39
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 9,915
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 12
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Belgium
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 910744 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 14:49:43 UTC - in response to Message 910738.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          yes, same problem here
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 1117
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910763 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 16:43:35 UTC - in response to Message 910707.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I too posted something today well two messages and they have disappeared having trouble downloading again. Mainly connect failed or expecting and got zero


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I had to shut down my 2nd (8-core) cruncher because no work is being sent. Ya know, I came back to SETI because I got an email, and built 2 octocore machines to process WUs...seems like a waste right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Why can't these probs be fixed? Is the h/w too old and flaky? Is the s/w inadequate for the load? In particular, is mysql strong enough? Any thoughts or ideas? Thanks!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            There are two main issues with the back-end reliability:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1) Yes, a lot of the hardware is either hand-me-downs or prototypes being tested by the manufacturer, either case means special and careful attention when issues do arise, usually hardware issues
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2) Most of the software is made in-house for a specific purpose, and MySQL is probably being used more intensely than it was ever intended to be used.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            For either one of those two reasons, when problems arise, it takes a while to figure out what failed, and then to develop a solution to fix it by means of a band-aid, or in the best-case scenario, keep it from being a problem again. The only problem with fixing problems is that by fixing one problem, you often create 5 new ones.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Byron S Goodgame
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Jan 16 06
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 1150
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 1,693,804
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 4,575
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 910766 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 16:47:35 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 17:14:10 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Got 20 tasks and 4 of them downloaded. Hopefully it's a sign things are starting to clear up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Edit: so far 9 downloaded. It's slow but happening.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Profile Gary Charpentier
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Dec 25 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 1610
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 1,138,378
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 492
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910768 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 16:49:49 UTC - in response to Message 910728.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Has anyone else noticed missing posts on the forums. I saw a few threads where posts appear to have disappeared

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've seen a thread that has gone away. It is obvious that something crashed hard right after if came back up from the outage and they have had to pull the backup. Now it looks like it crashed again as there is no I/O on cricket.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I know it will get fixed. Wishing them godspeed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                King Leo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Apr 14 07
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 49
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 2,131,086
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910772 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 16:58:11 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I cannot connect to the server. Receiving error messages project communication failed. What is happening?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:32 AM||Starting BOINC client version 6.4.7 for windows_intelx86
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:32 AM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:32 AM||Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:32 AM||Running as a daemon
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:32 AM||Data directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:32 AM||Running under account boinc_master
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM|SETI@home|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM|SETI@home|[error] No app version for result: windows_intelx86 608 cuda
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Processor: 4 AuthenticAMD AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 940 Processor [x86 Family 16 Model 4 Stepping 2]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 3dnow mmx
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x86 Editon, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Memory: 3.25 GB physical, 5.09 GB virtual
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Disk: 279.47 GB total, 16.39 GB free
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Local time is UTC -7 hours
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Not using a proxy
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||CUDA devices found
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM|SETI@home|URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 4732015; location: home; project prefs: home
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 19-Jun-2009 08:14:55)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Computer location: home
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||General prefs: using separate prefs for home
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 3327.23MB
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 3327.23MB
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Preferences limit disk usage to 16.40GB
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM||Suspending computation - time of day
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:33 AM|SETI@home|Started download of cudart.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:55 AM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of setiathome_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:55 AM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of setiathome_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:55 AM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of cudart.dll: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:55 AM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of cudart.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:55 AM|SETI@home|Started download of cufft.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:53:55 AM|SETI@home|Started download of libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:17 AM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:17 AM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of cufft.dll: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:17 AM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of cufft.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:17 AM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:17 AM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:17 AM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_AUTHORS
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:17 AM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_COPYING
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:18 AM||Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:39 AM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:39 AM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_AUTHORS: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:39 AM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_AUTHORS
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:39 AM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_COPYING: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:39 AM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_COPYING
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:39 AM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_COPYRIGHT
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:39 AM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_README
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:54:40 AM||Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:55:01 AM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:55:01 AM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_COPYRIGHT: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:55:01 AM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_COPYRIGHT
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:55:01 AM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_README: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:55:01 AM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of setiathome-6.08_cuda_README
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:55:01 AM|SETI@home|Started download of seti_608.jpg
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:55:01 AM|SETI@home|Started download of 06ap09ac.4419.9888.14.8.32
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 9:55:02 AM||Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 910780 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 17:14:57 UTC - in response to Message 910763.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There are two main issues with the back-end reliability:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1) Yes, a lot of the hardware is either hand-me-downs or prototypes being tested by the manufacturer, either case means special and careful attention when issues do arise, usually hardware issues
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2) Most of the software is made in-house for a specific purpose, and MySQL is probably being used more intensely than it was ever intended to be used.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    For either one of those two reasons, when problems arise, it takes a while to figure out what failed, and then to develop a solution to fix it by means of a band-aid, or in the best-case scenario, keep it from being a problem again. The only problem with fixing problems is that by fixing one problem, you often create 5 new ones.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I thought MySQL might be the problem - is there any chance someone could/would donate a more Enterprise-Oriented DB? SQLServer? Oracle? Other? Any corporate DB users/admins out there who have a feel for what might work better?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Profile Hammeh
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: May 21 01
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 613,862
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 910791 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 17:49:07 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      There seemed to be a few server problems earlier, none of my hosts where able to report tasks all morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just let it play out, it will sort itself out in the end.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Germany
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 910807 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 18:52:49 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 19:03:29 UTC





                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        BOINC Database Engine State # As of Master database queries/second 696* 0m Replica seconds behind master 62,807* 0m

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        [* seconds]


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hmm.. maybe it have something to do with the DB that some posts/thread are not available?


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Also:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wrong size error @ download
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        no jobs available @ work request


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Also the Berkeley crew modded the forum?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now at the post view more functions [BBCode userfriendly] available..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        FiveHamlet
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Oct 5 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 321
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 8,817,511
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 58,840
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 910812 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 19:02:27 UTC - in response to Message 910807.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 19:04:46 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Much more user friendly
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Profile Gary Charpentier
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Dec 25 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 1610
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 1,138,378
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 492
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910818 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 19:19:27 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The two stuck from last night before crash are still stuck with a wrong size error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            as are the four new workunits it just tried to get with connect() fails
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            but it did report 2 tasks as done
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:09:55 2009 SETI@home [error] File 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25 has wrong size: expected 375329, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:09:55 2009 SETI@home Started download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:10:04 2009 SETI@home [error] File 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173 has wrong size: expected 375335, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:10:04 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:10:29 2009 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:10:29 2009 SETI@home Reporting 2 completed tasks, requesting new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:11:11 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:11:11 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25: connect() failed
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:11:11 2009 SETI@home Backing off 10 min 35 sec on download of 06ap09ab.20174.6207.14.8.25
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:11:12 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:11:14 2009 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 4 new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:11:16 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.152
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:12:31 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:12:31 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.152: connect() failed
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:12:31 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.152
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:12:31 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.113
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:12:32 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:13:46 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:13:46 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.113: connect() failed
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:13:46 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.113
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:13:46 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:13:47 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:02 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:02 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.161: connect() failed
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:02 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:02 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.158
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:03 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:14 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:14 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173: HTTP error
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:14 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 hr 3 min 13 sec on download of 01mr09ad.18953.3753.16.8.173
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:14 2009 SETI@home [error] File 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.152 has wrong size: expected 375331, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:14 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.152
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:15:15 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:16:17 2009 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:16:17 2009 SETI@home Temporarily failed download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.158: connect() failed
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:16:17 2009 SETI@home Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.158
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:16:18 2009 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:16:18 2009 SETI@home [error] File 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.113 has wrong size: expected 375335, got 0
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wed Jun 24 12:16:18 2009 SETI@home Started download of 01mr09af.7406.18477.15.8.113

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kevin Benfield
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Dec 29 03
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 6
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 1,070,545
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 4,534
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 910831 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 19:47:52 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              does anyone know when the current issues are likely to be fixed, i am out of work unts for the cpu, it is trying to download about 11 units but they fail to download, even if they did wouldonly take a few hours to process, as the CPU does 8 at once.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have lots of cuda units to processor which is odd as i only have single GPU
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Kevin Benfield
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Dec 29 03
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 6
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 1,070,545
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 4,534
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910832 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 19:48:08 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                does anyone know when the current issues are likely to be fixed, i am out of work unts for the cpu, it is trying to download about 11 units but they fail to download, even if they did wouldonly take a few hours to process, as the CPU does 8 at once.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have lots of cuda units to processor which is odd as i only have single GPU
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910834 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 19:49:02 UTC - in response to Message 910812.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Much more user friendly



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  How is something that doesn't seem to work a large percentage of the time (recently, anyway) user friendly in any way, shape or form????
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 910835 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 19:53:05 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    FYI: I just started up my second 8-core (which I had shut down before because of no work) and I "got" about 50 WUs. Unfortunately, they are not downloading to my machine; they show up in both the Transfers tab and the Tasks tab.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    How can I shut down my machine now and put them back in the system queues so someone else can waste money (KWH) waiting for the data to move?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Rob.B
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Jul 23 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 154
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 1,350,193
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 59
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 910839 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 20:03:08 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 20:04:26 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm getting this on my servers, single, dual and quad's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      24/06/2009 21:01:05 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      24/06/2009 21:01:05 SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      24/06/2009 21:01:05 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for SETI@home Enhanced
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      24/06/2009 21:01:05 SETI@home Message from server: (reached daily quota of 10 results)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      24/06/2009 21:01:05 SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Any ideas? (The 10 results bit in particular, the only errors have neen killed VLAR's.)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 910840 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 20:11:27 UTC - in response to Message 910839.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Any ideas? (The 10 results bit in particular, the only errors have neen killed VLAR's.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The key word here is "errors" -- each time you have an error, your quota is reduced by 1.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you've intentionally "errored" 90 VLARs, then your daily quota is 10. Return one valid work unit, and it'll double to 20, etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 910841 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 20:13:15 UTC - in response to Message 910834.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 20:17:20 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Much more user friendly



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          How is something that doesn't seem to work a large percentage of the time (recently, anyway) user friendly in any way, shape or form????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Follow the thread to the previous message. He's referring to the buttons to automatically add BBCODE tags.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you aren't referring to the buttons that add BBCODE tags, then you're responding to the wrong topic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Edit:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've said this many times, and this is a good time to repeat it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If you are referring to the servers being out of work, that isn't meant to be "user friendly" -- those transactions are between the BOINC client and the BOINC servers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          SETI strongly suggests that you crunch for more than one project, so that during lean times here you will not run out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Alternately, you can shut down for a day. The work assigned (but not yet downloaded) will be here tomorrow -- or sooner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ... but I'd suggest another project, or a bigger cache, or both.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          FiveHamlet
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Oct 5 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 321
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 8,817,511
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 58,840
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910845 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 20:17:21 UTC - in response to Message 910841.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank's Ned I was refering to the BUTTONS
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 910855 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 20:29:41 UTC - in response to Message 910841.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Much more user friendly



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              How is something that doesn't seem to work a large percentage of the time (recently, anyway) user friendly in any way, shape or form????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Follow the thread to the previous message. He's referring to the buttons to automatically add BBCODE tags.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you aren't referring to the buttons that add BBCODE tags, then you're responding to the wrong topic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Edit:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've said this many times, and this is a good time to repeat it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you are referring to the servers being out of work, that isn't meant to be "user friendly" -- those transactions are between the BOINC client and the BOINC servers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              SETI strongly suggests that you crunch for more than one project, so that during lean times here you will not run out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Alternately, you can shut down for a day. The work assigned (but not yet downloaded) will be here tomorrow -- or sooner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ... but I'd suggest another project, or a bigger cache, or both.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Actually, I was referring to the (apparent) fact that I am not getting tasks d/l that I have been (supposedly) handed by the servers, at least if the BOINC Tasks and Transfers tabs are correct. And I had already shut down this machine for most of a day, earlier.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              <snark/> And another project didn't invite me back, SETI did </snark>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910858 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 20:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 910855.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 20:40:07 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Much more user friendly



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                How is something that doesn't seem to work a large percentage of the time (recently, anyway) user friendly in any way, shape or form????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Follow the thread to the previous message. He's referring to the buttons to automatically add BBCODE tags.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If you aren't referring to the buttons that add BBCODE tags, then you're responding to the wrong topic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Edit:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've said this many times, and this is a good time to repeat it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If you are referring to the servers being out of work, that isn't meant to be "user friendly" -- those transactions are between the BOINC client and the BOINC servers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                SETI strongly suggests that you crunch for more than one project, so that during lean times here you will not run out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Alternately, you can shut down for a day. The work assigned (but not yet downloaded) will be here tomorrow -- or sooner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ... but I'd suggest another project, or a bigger cache, or both.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Actually, I was referring to the (apparent) fact that I am not getting tasks d/l that I have been (supposedly) handed by the servers, at least if the BOINC Tasks and Transfers tabs are correct. And I had already shut down this machine for most of a day, earlier.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                <snark/> And another project didn't invite me back, SETI did </snark>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I know what you were referring to -- but if you review the thread you'll see that the post you quoted is about something different (and much more user friendly).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As for work: I don't know what you're talking about, as I've been able to get work within the past hour.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Could it be a setting? Could you have an inappropriate app_info.xml, maybe left over from before? Is it impatience?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't know. What I do know is that a very small, dedicated staff is working very hard to keep things running smoothly, and being snarky doesn't make a difference either way.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910860 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 20:39:21 UTC - in response to Message 910845.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thank's Ned I was refering to the BUTTONS

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yep. I followed the thread back and it was IOTTMCO.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The buttons are much more user friendly. I could be snarky and complain that they don't work if you block scripting, but that's my choice and not something wrong with the project.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 910867 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 21:00:05 UTC - in response to Message 910858.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 21:02:17 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Much more user friendly



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    How is something that doesn't seem to work a large percentage of the time (recently, anyway) user friendly in any way, shape or form????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Follow the thread to the previous message. He's referring to the buttons to automatically add BBCODE tags.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you aren't referring to the buttons that add BBCODE tags, then you're responding to the wrong topic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Edit:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've said this many times, and this is a good time to repeat it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you are referring to the servers being out of work, that isn't meant to be "user friendly" -- those transactions are between the BOINC client and the BOINC servers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    SETI strongly suggests that you crunch for more than one project, so that during lean times here you will not run out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Alternately, you can shut down for a day. The work assigned (but not yet downloaded) will be here tomorrow -- or sooner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ... but I'd suggest another project, or a bigger cache, or both.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Actually, I was referring to the (apparent) fact that I am not getting tasks d/l that I have been (supposedly) handed by the servers, at least if the BOINC Tasks and Transfers tabs are correct. And I had already shut down this machine for most of a day, earlier.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    <snark/> And another project didn't invite me back, SETI did </snark>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I know what you were referring to -- but if you review the thread you'll see that the post you quoted is about something different (and much more user friendly).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As for work: I don't know what you're talking about, as I've been able to get work within the past hour.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Could it be a setting? Could you have an inappropriate app_info.xml, maybe left over from before? Is it impatience?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know. What I do know is that a very small, dedicated staff is working very hard to keep things running smoothly, and being snarky doesn't make a difference either way.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You are right about the original quote - my bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As far as BOINC 6.6.36 goes, I have changed no settings (except queue length, from 2 days -> 5 days) for several days; it was working fine for a while after the Tuesday PM, then stopped actual d/l and u/l of Tasks. As I said before, I have about 50 tasks trying to d/l...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    EDIT: I know the staff is working hard, but it is frustrating for me (as well as others) to be caught in the midst of whatever-this-is.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 910871 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 21:18:20 UTC - in response to Message 910867.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't know. What I do know is that a very small, dedicated staff is working very hard to keep things running smoothly, and being snarky doesn't make a difference either way.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You are right about the original quote - my bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As far as BOINC 6.6.36 goes, I have changed no settings (except queue length, from 2 days -> 5 days) for several days; it was working fine for a while after the Tuesday PM, then stopped actual d/l and u/l of Tasks. As I said before, I have about 50 tasks trying to d/l...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      EDIT: I know the staff is working hard, but it is frustrating for me (as well as others) to be caught in the midst of whatever-this-is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Why be frustrated when the project is doing exactly what they have promised?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They have always promised that there will be outages, and there will be time when there is no work. They've suggested running BOINC on computers that will be on anyway. BOINC can carry a large cache (to bridge outages) and BOINC handles multiple projects so that projects don't need 99.999% reliability.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you want to run computers just to crunch, then you are certainly welcome, but you do so at your own risk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you're frustrated, it is because your expectation is not what the project promises to deliver.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I know I'm not a big cruncher by any means, but I've always got work, and I turn my computers off and on based solely on my needs, not SETI or BOINC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sorry if that isn't what you wanted to hear.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 910876 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 21:29:19 UTC - in response to Message 910871.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Me too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gah!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 910877 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 21:41:46 UTC - in response to Message 910876.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Me too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Gah!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm saying very much the opposite.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Profile Pappa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Jan 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 2115
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 5,125,842
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 8,794
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910878 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 21:48:52 UTC - in response to Message 910867.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 22:18:18 UTC


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            As far as BOINC 6.6.36 goes, I have changed no settings (except queue length, from 2 days -> 5 days) for several days; it was working fine for a while after the Tuesday PM, then stopped actual d/l and u/l of Tasks. As I said before, I have about 50 tasks trying to d/l...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            EDIT: I know the staff is working hard, but it is frustrating for me (as well as others) to be caught in the midst of whatever-this-is.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you are still having issues at this time, Upload download Problems.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Stop and ReStart BOINC. I had two machine that were stuck in that loop... If it is a Service Mode/Protected install make sure you stop the Service.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The other things taht could be affecting dowloads could be as Matt has added the other download server back into the mix. DNS could be/is somewhat whacked out.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            * Shutdown BOINC, open a command windows and type ipconfig /flushdns Wit about 30 seconds and restart BOINC. Then force a manual update.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Regards
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Profile Dr. C.E.T.I.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Feb 29 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 15245
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 525,847
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 31
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 910908 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 22:52:59 UTC - in response to Message 910878.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As far as BOINC 6.6.36 goes, I have changed no settings (except queue length, from 2 days -> 5 days) for several days; it was working fine for a while after the Tuesday PM, then stopped actual d/l and u/l of Tasks. As I said before, I have about 50 tasks trying to d/l...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              EDIT: I know the staff is working hard, but it is frustrating for me (as well as others) to be caught in the midst of whatever-this-is.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you are still having issues at this time, Upload download Problems.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Stop and ReStart BOINC. I had two machine that were stuck in that loop... If it is a Service Mode/Protected install make sure you stop the Service.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The other things taht could be affecting dowloads could be as Matt has added the other download server back into the mix. DNS could be/is somewhat whacked out.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              * Shutdown BOINC, open a command windows and type ipconfig /flushdns Wit about 30 seconds and restart BOINC. Then force a manual update.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Regards


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              eh Pappa - shouldn't you also type: ipconfig /registerdns AFTER the flushdns and BEFORE restarting . . .




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              BOINC Wiki . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Science Status Page . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910912 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 22:56:20 UTC - in response to Message 910908.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                eh Pappa - shouldn't you also type: ipconfig /registerdns AFTER the flushdns and BEFORE restarting . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Only if you're running Active Directory. It has nothing to do with DNS in the real world.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                OzzFan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Apr 9 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 8302
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 10,433,207
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 7,021
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910913 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 22:56:26 UTC - in response to Message 910908.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As far as BOINC 6.6.36 goes, I have changed no settings (except queue length, from 2 days -> 5 days) for several days; it was working fine for a while after the Tuesday PM, then stopped actual d/l and u/l of Tasks. As I said before, I have about 50 tasks trying to d/l...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  EDIT: I know the staff is working hard, but it is frustrating for me (as well as others) to be caught in the midst of whatever-this-is.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you are still having issues at this time, Upload download Problems.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Stop and ReStart BOINC. I had two machine that were stuck in that loop... If it is a Service Mode/Protected install make sure you stop the Service.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The other things taht could be affecting dowloads could be as Matt has added the other download server back into the mix. DNS could be/is somewhat whacked out.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  * Shutdown BOINC, open a command windows and type ipconfig /flushdns Wit about 30 seconds and restart BOINC. Then force a manual update.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Regards


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  eh Pappa - shouldn't you also type: ipconfig /registerdns AFTER the flushdns and BEFORE restarting . . .


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  IPCONFIG /REGISTERDNS is only needed if you want to update your Host A record to your DNS server, which has nothing to do with flushing your local DNS resolver cache.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So no, you do not have to type IPCONFIG /REGISTERDNS each time you flush it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BOINC FAQ Service
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BOINC & Optimized SETI download repository

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  OzzFan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Apr 9 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 8302
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 10,433,207
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 7,021
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 910915 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 22:59:46 UTC - in response to Message 910912.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 23:04:15 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    eh Pappa - shouldn't you also type: ipconfig /registerdns AFTER the flushdns and BEFORE restarting . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Only if you're running Active Directory. It has nothing to do with DNS in the real world.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think I would argue this one with you Ned. Its not for AD only, but for any server that supports DNS Dynamic Updates, which is mostly associated with local networks, and very often ignored by ISPs. The only reason why its ignored by your ISP is because your ISP actually communicates with your "modem"/router. This is why if you change "modems" or routers with your ISP, you usually have to force a reboot/reset to get it to work, because the ISP expects the same PHY address each time and the reset sends a sort of /REGISTERDNS to get things working again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    All /REGISTERDNS does is forces an update of your DNS Server's Host A record pertaining to your computer's address. /REGISTERDNS is mostly only useful if you change your IP address manually and you would like to update the record immediately without a reboot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It does have uses with DNS in the real world because it ensures that Host A records, which will usually get updated automatically, remains accurate. For instance, changing the IP address of a member web server and wanting to update its Host A record on the primary DNS server on the network so that, even for up to 5 minutes it won't be inaccurate.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    BOINC FAQ Service
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    BOINC & Optimized SETI download repository

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 910923 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 23:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 910915.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The only reason why its ignored by your ISP is because your ISP actually communicates with your "modem"/router.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When I pick up my home phone and dial the support number for "my" ISP, my office phone rings (home phone on line 2, office phone on line 1).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If (wearing my ISP hat) it needs to be in DNS (like the A records for the upload/download servers) it needs a static IP.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If it has a dynamic IP, it's a workstation on a LAN and probably shouldn't be visible beyond the LAN.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I see lots of strange problems caused by "LAN" DNS and public DNS for a company trying to work in the same namespace. I have a number of customers who can't see their own web sites because their "LAN Consultant" put their domain name in Active Directory.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BOINC won't care if your machine has an A record or not -- IPCONFIG /REGISTERDNS will not update the ssl.berkeley.EDU zone.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 910926 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 23:19:55 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 23:20:55 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pappa:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Dr. C.E.T.I.:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I tried your suggestions, but they didn't help. My other machine, which had a large work queue is still working on that, but having similar problems - can't d/l. It had a couple of dead u/l in Transfers tab, which Retry pushed up, but also has some d/l in that tab, and they won't work with Retry - just cycle through to "Retry in xx:yy:zz".
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Profile Pappa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Jan 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 2115
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 5,125,842
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 8,794
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 910927 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 23:20:34 UTC - in response to Message 910915.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          eh Pappa - shouldn't you also type: ipconfig /registerdns AFTER the flushdns and BEFORE restarting . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Only if you're running Active Directory. It has nothing to do with DNS in the real world.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think I would argue this one with you Ned. Its not for AD only, but for any server that supports DNS Dynamic Updates, which is mostly associated with local networks, and very often ignored by ISPs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          All /REGISTERDNS does is forces an update of your DNS Server's Host A record pertaining to your computer's address. /REGISTERDNS is mostly only useful if you change your IP address manually and you would like to update the record immediately without a reboot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It does have uses with DNS in the real world because it ensures that Host A records, which will usually get updated automatically, remains accurate. For instance, changing the IP address of a member web server and wanting to update its Host A record on the primary DNS server on the network so that, even for up to 5 minutes it won't be inaccurate.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I am sitting behind a Firewall/Router to Cable. I do not have an internal WINS or DNS servers active as I have not brought the Domain Controller back online.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Generally "ipconfig /flushdns" is to blow out my "resolver cache" on "this machine." This fits with 99.x% of the users.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If the above mentioned machines were active on my network then /registerdns would let WINS and the Others know something has happened and start a round of updates. The DNS Server would have pointers to Seti's DNS Servers (we won't go into that detail)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          OzzFan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Apr 9 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 8302
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 10,433,207
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 7,021
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910931 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 23:24:50 UTC - in response to Message 910923.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 23:26:50 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If it has a dynamic IP, it's a workstation on a LAN and probably shouldn't be visible beyond the LAN.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't know about that. Strictly speaking maybe, but there are a handful of situations I can think of where 'other than static IP address servers' need to be accessed by other employees and therefore need to be visible in DNS. One scenario would be employee printer sharing. Another would be a local intranet web server where the DHCP or DNS Server fails, and is subsequently restored and you have employees calling on the internal help desk line complaining that they can't access resources. The easy and usual answer is to take a coffee break and it'll "magically" be there soon, but for more important employees, such as the guy who signs my paycheck, I tend to use a few extra tools such as /REGISTERDNS to get it up and running quickly for him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I see lots of strange problems caused by "LAN" DNS and public DNS for a company trying to work in the same namespace. I have a number of customers who can't see their own web sites because their "LAN Consultant" put their domain name in Active Directory.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sounds like their "LAN Consultant" didn't research everything thoroughly enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            BOINC won't care if your machine has an A record or not -- IPCONFIG /REGISTERDNS will not update the ssl.berkeley.EDU zone.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Fully agreed. Using /REGISTERDNS does not somehow reload valid entires into the local resolver cache. They will get reloaded automatically through the normal lookup process (and hopefully not through a poisoned source!).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            BOINC FAQ Service
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            BOINC & Optimized SETI download repository

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sten-Arne
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Nov 1 08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 127
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 460,762
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 1,548
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sweden
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 910937 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 23:31:26 UTC - in response to Message 910926.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pappa:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Dr. C.E.T.I.:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I tried your suggestions, but they didn't help. My other machine, which had a large work queue is still working on that, but having similar problems - can't d/l. It had a couple of dead u/l in Transfers tab, which Retry pushed up, but also has some d/l in that tab, and they won't work with Retry - just cycle through to "Retry in xx:yy:zz".


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Try to reboot you machines. I had similar problems, but after a reboot they started to download the stuck WU's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sten-Arne

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910942 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 23:37:40 UTC - in response to Message 910931.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If it has a dynamic IP, it's a workstation on a LAN and probably shouldn't be visible beyond the LAN.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't know about that. Strictly speaking maybe, but there are a handful of situations I can think of where 'other than static IP address servers' need to be accessed by other employees and therefore need to be visible in DNS. One scenario would be employee printer sharing. Another would be a local intranet web server where the DHCP or DNS Server fails, and is subsequently restored and you have employees calling on the internal help desk line complaining that they can't access resources. The easy and usual answer is to take a coffee break and it'll "magically" be there soon, but for more important employees, such as the guy who signs my paycheck, I tend to use a few extra tools such as /REGISTERDNS to get it up and running quickly for him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Shared printers should not be publicly available -- I should not be able to print to your printer (I definitely should not be able to try and print solid black on your printer, not that I'd even think of such a thing).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If a workstation needs to access a shared resource, it should be on the same LAN, or it should be using some technology that extends the LAN to his location (i.e. a VPN).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Anything else is too open to abuse.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Your other examples are also LAN examples -- and while I guess I might allow that we're talking about the "real world" in those cases, it's a relatively small "real world" compared to the one that starts at the dot.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Profile Pappa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Jan 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 2115
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 5,125,842
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 8,794
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910945 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 23:42:53 UTC - in response to Message 910926.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Pappa:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dr. C.E.T.I.:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I tried your suggestions, but they didn't help. My other machine, which had a large work queue is still working on that, but having similar problems - can't d/l. It had a couple of dead u/l in Transfers tab, which Retry pushed up, but also has some d/l in that tab, and they won't work with Retry - just cycle through to "Retry in xx:yy:zz".


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The quick look shows that both machines are Vista Ultimiate. I sould ask how they are connected to the internet and Brand names of the router BOINC version etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So depending on "timing" if boinc was stopped on both machines and you flushed DNS it should have dumped IP's that would have been held on the local machine. All I can say is that potentially your Router to the Internet has cached something that is incorrect.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It this is the case, then stopping BOINC, ipconfig /flushdns then before you start anything... GO over to the Router and unplug power for 20 seconds. Plug power back in and allow it to reconnect to the Internet. Then on your machine open a web browser and type in setiathome.berkeley.edu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is overkill, but you could then in the same CMD window type ipconfig /displaydns and then scroll until you find the record for Seti which would look something like this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ----------------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Record Name . . . . . : setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Record Type . . . . . : 5
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Time To Live . . . . : 277
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Data Length . . . . . : 4
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Section . . . . . . . : Answer
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  CNAME Record . . . . : setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Then start BOINC and press the Update button. It knows the IP address for the Seti DNS Servers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ----------------------------------------
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Record Name . . . . . : setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Record Type . . . . . : 1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Time To Live . . . . : 288
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Data Length . . . . . : 4
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Section . . . . . . . : Answer
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  A (Host) Record . . . : 208.68.240.20

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Last but not least, restart your computers and then unplug the Router for 20 seconds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Then start the transfer retries, if still get something like this...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6/24/2009 4:10:00 PM SETI@home Beta Test [error] File 03ja09ad.8874.7434.8.11.71 has wrong size: expected 375329, got 0

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The system is still overloaded and having handoff errors from the scheduler to the download server(s).


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Germany
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 910956 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 23:55:08 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last modified: 24 Jun 2009 23:56:52 UTC


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know what you are talking about..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Flush here.. flush there.. ;-)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    All my downloads.. now maybe ~ 300 in the BOINC overview.. are all with errors.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wrong size or http or what ever.. errors.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    A reboot of the PC didn't helped.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Profile Dr. C.E.T.I.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Feb 29 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 15245
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 525,847
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 31
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 910960 - Posted 24 Jun 2009 23:58:16 UTC


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks to Each of You for the Explainations - Much Appreciated


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BOINC Wiki . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Science Status Page . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profile Pappa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Jan 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 2115
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 5,125,842
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 8,794
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 910965 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 0:15:04 UTC - in response to Message 910956.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last modified: 25 Jun 2009 0:16:27 UTC


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't know what you are talking about..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Flush here.. flush there.. ;-)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        All my downloads.. now maybe ~ 300 in the BOINC overview.. are all with errors.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wrong size or http or what ever.. errors.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A reboot of the PC didn't helped.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        This is where a 10 Day Cache is a Killer. What I suspect in your cache is that your ISP is very slow in updating DNS. I will have to think about how we got around this before. Matt had set a Very short TTL and there were many IPS's that did not honor it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        When I do Lookups on both download servers I get the Berkeley IP (blocked)) and the External IP that the scheduler would handoff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So as I have sent a note Matt, it would be patient for a bit.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        OzzFan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Apr 9 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 8302
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 10,433,207
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 7,021
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 910966 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 0:16:14 UTC - in response to Message 910942.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Last modified: 25 Jun 2009 0:25:46 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If it has a dynamic IP, it's a workstation on a LAN and probably shouldn't be visible beyond the LAN.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't know about that. Strictly speaking maybe, but there are a handful of situations I can think of where 'other than static IP address servers' need to be accessed by other employees and therefore need to be visible in DNS. One scenario would be employee printer sharing. Another would be a local intranet web server where the DHCP or DNS Server fails, and is subsequently restored and you have employees calling on the internal help desk line complaining that they can't access resources. The easy and usual answer is to take a coffee break and it'll "magically" be there soon, but for more important employees, such as the guy who signs my paycheck, I tend to use a few extra tools such as /REGISTERDNS to get it up and running quickly for him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Shared printers should not be publicly available -- I should not be able to print to your printer (I definitely should not be able to try and print solid black on your printer, not that I'd even think of such a thing).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If a workstation needs to access a shared resource, it should be on the same LAN, or it should be using some technology that extends the LAN to his location (i.e. a VPN).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Anything else is too open to abuse.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Your other examples are also LAN examples -- and while I guess I might allow that we're talking about the "real world" in those cases, it's a relatively small "real world" compared to the one that starts at the dot.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The DNS system is used by many companies internally for many reasons. It isn't exclusive to the internet, even though it was originally designed for it. There are ways of segregating the internal DNS system from the external (or Internet) DNS system. Even though I have all my computers on my LAN registered in my local DNS, doesn't mean they are accessible through the internet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Some companies even run their own "root" servers if they do not want their employees using the internet, though that's quite rare these days but not unheard of.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BOINC FAQ Service
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BOINC & Optimized SETI download repository

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910975 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 0:35:55 UTC - in response to Message 910966.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If it has a dynamic IP, it's a workstation on a LAN and probably shouldn't be visible beyond the LAN.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't know about that. Strictly speaking maybe, but there are a handful of situations I can think of where 'other than static IP address servers' need to be accessed by other employees and therefore need to be visible in DNS. One scenario would be employee printer sharing. Another would be a local intranet web server where the DHCP or DNS Server fails, and is subsequently restored and you have employees calling on the internal help desk line complaining that they can't access resources. The easy and usual answer is to take a coffee break and it'll "magically" be there soon, but for more important employees, such as the guy who signs my paycheck, I tend to use a few extra tools such as /REGISTERDNS to get it up and running quickly for him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Shared printers should not be publicly available -- I should not be able to print to your printer (I definitely should not be able to try and print solid black on your printer, not that I'd even think of such a thing).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If a workstation needs to access a shared resource, it should be on the same LAN, or it should be using some technology that extends the LAN to his location (i.e. a VPN).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Anything else is too open to abuse.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Your other examples are also LAN examples -- and while I guess I might allow that we're talking about the "real world" in those cases, it's a relatively small "real world" compared to the one that starts at the dot.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The DNS system is used by many companies internally for many reasons. It isn't exclusive to the internet, even though it was originally designed for it. There are ways of segregating the internal DNS system from the external (or Internet) DNS system. Even though I have all my computers on my LAN registered in my local DNS, doesn't mean they are accessible through the internet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Some companies even run their own "root" servers if they do not want their employees using the internet, though that's quite rare these days but not unheard of.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.EDU isn't on a corporate LAN, so the LAN discussion, while interesting, doesn't apply to "why can't I upload/download."


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Profile Pappa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Jan 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 2115
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 5,125,842
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 8,794
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 910980 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 0:39:24 UTC - in response to Message 910966.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If it has a dynamic IP, it's a workstation on a LAN and probably shouldn't be visible beyond the LAN.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't know about that. Strictly speaking maybe, but there are a handful of situations I can think of where 'other than static IP address servers' need to be accessed by other employees and therefore need to be visible in DNS. One scenario would be employee printer sharing. Another would be a local intranet web server where the DHCP or DNS Server fails, and is subsequently restored and you have employees calling on the internal help desk line complaining that they can't access resources. The easy and usual answer is to take a coffee break and it'll "magically" be there soon, but for more important employees, such as the guy who signs my paycheck, I tend to use a few extra tools such as /REGISTERDNS to get it up and running quickly for him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Shared printers should not be publicly available -- I should not be able to print to your printer (I definitely should not be able to try and print solid black on your printer, not that I'd even think of such a thing).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If a workstation needs to access a shared resource, it should be on the same LAN, or it should be using some technology that extends the LAN to his location (i.e. a VPN).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anything else is too open to abuse.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Your other examples are also LAN examples -- and while I guess I might allow that we're talking about the "real world" in those cases, it's a relatively small "real world" compared to the one that starts at the dot.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The DNS system is used by many companies internally for many reasons. It isn't exclusive to the internet, even though it was originally designed for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Some companies even run their own "root" servers if they do not want their employees using the internet, though that's quite rare these days but not unheard of.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Actually I Love this!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              For DNS to work properly in Windows AD, the person configuring it has to have an understanding of DNS and then configuration of DNS as it publishes to the world (infrastructure). As far as I know that part is well documented in DNS and Bind. While Windows AD takes care of a "lot" of things you stil have to know how DNS works.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              For the AD Domains for World Web Sites that gets a little trickier. The common problem as to why they are not visible is AD DNS is not allowed to talk to the Gateway (two way). Pick your misconfigured router/firewall/dns. If the Primary Name Server is unaccessable then it is DEAD! Yes there are other even more PhooPahsss or tricks... LOL




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              jravin
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Mar 25 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 107
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 2,920,816
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 29,479
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910983 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 0:43:23 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well, I took the suggestion about shutting down my SETI machines, recycling my router, etc. I'm very pleased to report that it worked!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks to all for being so helpful, even if I was a little crabby earlier in the thread. (Well, maybe more than a litlle...).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Germany
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 910986 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 0:46:30 UTC - in response to Message 910965.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Last modified: 25 Jun 2009 0:52:37 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is where a 10 Day Cache is a Killer. What I suspect in your cache is that your ISP is very slow in updating DNS. I will have to think about how we got around this before. Matt had set a Very short TTL and there were many IPS's that did not honor it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  When I do Lookups on both download servers I get the Berkeley IP (blocked)) and the External IP that the scheduler would handoff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So as I have sent a note Matt, it would be patient for a bit.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry.. I would if BOINC could..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BOINC V6.6.36 can't manage work cache > ~ 3,500 WUs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  [If you go over this size.. like I posted.. BOINC go crazy.]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=54289


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  For some months I posted here at the SETI@home forum also in the BOINC/dev forum that > BOINC V6.6.11 can't manage > ~ 2,500 WU cache.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  CUDA performance went very bad.. I guess because in higher BOINC versions the CUDA CPU support is very bad. [CPU support gone very much down compared with BOINC V6.6.11 .]


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Soo .. I'm down to 2 days.. set 3 days. [current ~ 1,600 WUs at HDD].
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But BOINC can't fill up the cache because of download errors.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes.. it's really disappointing that BOINC can't manage high WU cache.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes.. sorry if it's sounding negative..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But.. I'm really disappointed that BOINC can't support high.. in my case.. ~ 8,000 WUs cache.. ~ 10 days.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Before with my old QX6700.. 10 days.. ~ 700 WUs.. everything well.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But now everyday I hope my PC will not run out of work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ohh.. well..


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes.. my GPU cruncher have too much performance for the SETI@home server.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Profile Pappa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Jan 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 2115
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 5,125,842
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 8,794
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 911004 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 0:59:33 UTC - in response to Message 910975.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.EDU isn't on a corporate LAN, so the LAN discussion, while interesting, doesn't apply to "why can't I upload/download."


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Actually it does to an extent. While I can not remember if there are 6 or 8 nameservers involved in this whole fiacsco... It means the Boinc was able to find the 208.xxx.xxx.xxx address not the 128.xxx.xxx.xxx which is the Berkeley Lan (web side). As I recall setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.EDU is the "returned" scheduler DNS name. So unlike lookups for bruno or vader which are the two download servers and getting the proper 208.xxx.xxx.xxx addresses it would mean that your computer could not find the machine or the handoff from the scheduler did not give a resovable name or IP of the correct server to contact for that actual download.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sten-Arne
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Nov 1 08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 127
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 460,762
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 1,548
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sweden
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 911010 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 1:04:22 UTC - in response to Message 910986.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sorry.. I would if BOINC could..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BOINC V6.6.36 can't manage work cache > ~ 3,500 WUs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      [If you go over this size.. like I posted.. BOINC go crazy.]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=54289


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      For some months I posted here at the SETI@home forum also in the BOINC/dev forum that > BOINC V6.6.11 can't manage > ~ 2,500 WU cache.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      CUDA performance went very bad.. I guess because in higher BOINC versions the CUDA CPU support is very bad. [CPU support gone very much down compared with BOINC V6.6.11 .]


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Soo .. I'm down to 2 days.. set 3 days. [current ~ 1,600 WUs at HDD].
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But BOINC can't fill up the cache because of download errors.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes.. it's really disappointing that BOINC can't manage high WU cache.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes.. sorry if it's sounding negative..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But.. I'm really disappointed that BOINC can't support high.. in my case.. ~ 8,000 WUs cache.. ~ 10 days.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Before with my old QX6700.. 10 days.. ~ 700 WUs.. everything well.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But now everyday I hope my PC will not run out of work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ohh.. well..


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes.. my GPU cruncher have too much performance for the SETI@home server.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Those having had the same problems, has solved the issue by a simple reboot of their machines. So, have you rebooted your troubled PC's?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'ts a DNS issue coming from the fact that the project shut down and then had to turn on again one of the download servers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      REBOOT MAN, REBOOT, AND STOP COMPLAINING :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      OzzFan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Apr 9 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 8302
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 10,433,207
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 7,021
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 911012 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 1:06:29 UTC - in response to Message 910975.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If it has a dynamic IP, it's a workstation on a LAN and probably shouldn't be visible beyond the LAN.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't know about that. Strictly speaking maybe, but there are a handful of situations I can think of where 'other than static IP address servers' need to be accessed by other employees and therefore need to be visible in DNS. One scenario would be employee printer sharing. Another would be a local intranet web server where the DHCP or DNS Server fails, and is subsequently restored and you have employees calling on the internal help desk line complaining that they can't access resources. The easy and usual answer is to take a coffee break and it'll "magically" be there soon, but for more important employees, such as the guy who signs my paycheck, I tend to use a few extra tools such as /REGISTERDNS to get it up and running quickly for him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Shared printers should not be publicly available -- I should not be able to print to your printer (I definitely should not be able to try and print solid black on your printer, not that I'd even think of such a thing).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If a workstation needs to access a shared resource, it should be on the same LAN, or it should be using some technology that extends the LAN to his location (i.e. a VPN).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Anything else is too open to abuse.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Your other examples are also LAN examples -- and while I guess I might allow that we're talking about the "real world" in those cases, it's a relatively small "real world" compared to the one that starts at the dot.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The DNS system is used by many companies internally for many reasons. It isn't exclusive to the internet, even though it was originally designed for it. There are ways of segregating the internal DNS system from the external (or Internet) DNS system. Even though I have all my computers on my LAN registered in my local DNS, doesn't mean they are accessible through the internet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Some companies even run their own "root" servers if they do not want their employees using the internet, though that's quite rare these days but not unheard of.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.EDU isn't on a corporate LAN, so the LAN discussion, while interesting, doesn't apply to "why can't I upload/download."


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I had already agreed with this basic premise that is true. I was just commenting on your statement that /REGISTERDNS is only for Windows AD and that it isn't used in the real world. This comment, of course, took the conversation off topic, but I felt it was worth pointing out that there are real world uses for /REGISTERDNS and the DNS system other than its applications with the Internet.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        BOINC FAQ Service
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        BOINC & Optimized SETI download repository

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Profile Sutaru Tsureku
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Apr 6 07
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 2569
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 13,637,036
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 75,034
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Germany
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 911017 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 1:15:28 UTC - in response to Message 911010.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Those having had the same problems, has solved the issue by a simple reboot of their machines. So, have you rebooted your troubled PC's?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'ts a DNS issue coming from the fact that the project shut down and then had to turn on again one of the download servers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          REBOOT MAN, REBOOT, AND STOP COMPLAINING :-)



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 910956

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ..yes man.. made the reboot.. ;-)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But maybe need to 'reboot' [ON/OFF] also the DSL-router?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But.. this will not help if my ISP is too slowly.. to 'see' the new IP address of Berkeley.. or what ever..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          U aren't, or U aren't happy in Ur team? seti.international ! :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Profile Pappa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Jan 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 2115
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 5,125,842
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 8,794
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 911021 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 1:25:50 UTC - in response to Message 910986.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            First BOINC is a work in progress! Yes there can and will be problems...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Next when there are problems maintaining such a large cache common sense states start scaling back until you can find a working medium. For Myself, I have a .5 day cache. If I run out of work then I do other projects which relieves the stress on the Seti Servers. When You have a machine that is trying to grab 3500 WU's and Send as many; as we are recovering from an extended outage it will be nothing less than Chaos! In your case you have probably several problems, You ISP does not have the IP's of where things are trying to go or come from and you have a TON of them all trying at the same time. It will take a while and you have to be patient!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Seti tries to take care of its own. There are times that the WORLD Interferes with Seti taking care of its own.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Then you add individual computer problems ontop of all that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You can only say one thing FRUSTRATION! The hard part is learning what you can control and what will take time for others to sort out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I know that I can not control Comcast's Name/Proxy Servers and on my part for 3 machines (that had the same problems) I had to be patient. BOINC and my Cache I have control over. Matt works to make sure that the Servers that you computer needs to contact are properly registered and working.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So we sit back and wait. You may need to do several manual updates (anything to get you ISP to get the correct information) to get you ISP to get the corect DNS entries. But then when you force Seti to run at the Bleeding Edge you can only expect problems. Then it falls back to you to understanding what you can control and what you can not control. That is where you start moving ahead.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Regards

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This is where a 10 Day Cache is a Killer. What I suspect in your cache is that your ISP is very slow in updating DNS. I will have to think about how we got around this before. Matt had set a Very short TTL and there were many IPS's that did not honor it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When I do Lookups on both download servers I get the Berkeley IP (blocked)) and the External IP that the scheduler would handoff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So as I have sent a note Matt, it would be patient for a bit.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sorry.. I would if BOINC could..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            BOINC V6.6.36 can't manage work cache > ~ 3,500 WUs.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            [If you go over this size.. like I posted.. BOINC go crazy.]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=54289


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            For some months I posted here at the SETI@home forum also in the BOINC/dev forum that > BOINC V6.6.11 can't manage > ~ 2,500 WU cache.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            CUDA performance went very bad.. I guess because in higher BOINC versions the CUDA CPU support is very bad. [CPU support gone very much down compared with BOINC V6.6.11 .]


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Soo .. I'm down to 2 days.. set 3 days. [current ~ 1,600 WUs at HDD].
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But BOINC can't fill up the cache because of download errors.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes.. it's really disappointing that BOINC can't manage high WU cache.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes.. sorry if it's sounding negative..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But.. I'm really disappointed that BOINC can't support high.. in my case.. ~ 8,000 WUs cache.. ~ 10 days.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Before with my old QX6700.. 10 days.. ~ 700 WUs.. everything well.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But now everyday I hope my PC will not run out of work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ohh.. well..


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes.. my GPU cruncher have too much performance for the SETI@home server.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sten-Arne
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Nov 1 08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 127
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 460,762
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 1,548
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sweden
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 911022 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 1:26:31 UTC - in response to Message 911017.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Those having had the same problems, has solved the issue by a simple reboot of their machines. So, have you rebooted your troubled PC's?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'ts a DNS issue coming from the fact that the project shut down and then had to turn on again one of the download servers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              REBOOT MAN, REBOOT, AND STOP COMPLAINING :-)



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 910956

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ..yes man.. made the reboot.. ;-)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But maybe need to 'reboot' [ON/OFF] also the DSL-router?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But.. this will not help if my ISP is too slowly.. to 'see' the new IP address of Berkeley.. or what ever..


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Reboot everything you've got to reboot :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 911032 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 1:51:09 UTC - in response to Message 910980.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Last modified: 25 Jun 2009 1:51:58 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Actually I Love this!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                For DNS to work properly in Windows AD, the person configuring it has to have an understanding of DNS and then configuration of DNS as it publishes to the world (infrastructure). As far as I know that part is well documented in DNS and Bind. While Windows AD takes care of a "lot" of things you stil have to know how DNS works.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                For the AD Domains for World Web Sites that gets a little trickier. The common problem as to why they are not visible is AD DNS is not allowed to talk to the Gateway (two way). Pick your misconfigured router/firewall/dns. If the Primary Name Server is unaccessable then it is DEAD! Yes there are other even more PhooPahsss or tricks... LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Actually, the whole reason for having secondary name servers is so that when the primary is down, everything else can potentially still work, and in practice, that's true.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Let's say you have a registered domain "pappa.org" -- the simple solution is that www.pappa.org is handled in the traditional way as documented in DNS and BIND (and others), and your Active Directory domain would be pappa.local.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That way, you don't have any confusion between the ".local" namespace and the globally resolvable ".org" namespace.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ... and the .org name servers are public.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I should not be able to reach in from the globally routable IP space and query anything in "pappa.local" because that would let me build a complete list of resources on the domain.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Profile Pappa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Forum moderator
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Joined: Jan 9 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Posts: 2115
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Credit: 5,125,842
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RAC: 8,794
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Message 911059 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 3:13:59 UTC - in response to Message 911032.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Actually I Love this!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  For DNS to work properly in Windows AD, the person configuring it has to have an understanding of DNS and then configuration of DNS as it publishes to the world (infrastructure). As far as I know that part is well documented in DNS and Bind. While Windows AD takes care of a "lot" of things you stil have to know how DNS works.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  For the AD Domains for World Web Sites that gets a little trickier. The common problem as to why they are not visible is AD DNS is not allowed to talk to the Gateway (two way). Pick your misconfigured router/firewall/dns. If the Primary Name Server is unaccessable then it is DEAD! Yes there are other even more PhooPahsss or tricks... LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Actually, the whole reason for having secondary name servers is so that when the primary is down, everything else can potentially still work, and in practice, that's true.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Let's say you have a registered domain "pappa.org" -- the simple solution is that www.pappa.org is handled in the traditional way as documented in DNS and BIND (and others), and your Active Directory domain would be pappa.local.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That way, you don't have any confusion between the ".local" namespace and the globally resolvable ".org" namespace.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ... and the .org name servers are public.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I should not be able to reach in from the globally routable IP space and query anything in "pappa.local" because that would let me build a complete list of resources on the domain.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In some cases a "limited DNS server or the appliance is placed on the edge for Global Names." It does not replicate anything *.local.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It also presumes that beside the A Record for pappa.org (and the route) I have a CNAME Record for www.pappa.org that resolves. Anything inside my boundary will not resolve (except locally). I know this is boring the living daylights out of most users. As they do not know what is being talked about "other" than is currently affecting them. It is all majik (incorrectly mislabeled as the Internet to Seti)!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So for Seti it is a mixed bag. As Long as the 208.xxx.xxx.xxx IP's are findable world wide from BOINC we should be okay (with time). When a change is made it takes time to get the rest of the world in sync.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry to cut and run have to go pick up the wife.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ned Ludd
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joined: Apr 3 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Posts: 7695
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Credit: 264,570
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  RAC: 291
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Message 911083 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 4:38:51 UTC - in response to Message 911059.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Actually, the whole reason for having secondary name servers is so that when the primary is down, everything else can potentially still work, and in practice, that's true.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Let's say you have a registered domain "pappa.org" -- the simple solution is that www.pappa.org is handled in the traditional way as documented in DNS and BIND (and others), and your Active Directory domain would be pappa.local.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That way, you don't have any confusion between the ".local" namespace and the globally resolvable ".org" namespace.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ... and the .org name servers are public.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I should not be able to reach in from the globally routable IP space and query anything in "pappa.local" because that would let me build a complete list of resources on the domain.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    In some cases a "limited DNS server or the appliance is placed on the edge for Global Names." It does not replicate anything *.local.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It also presumes that beside the A Record for pappa.org (and the route) I have a CNAME Record for www.pappa.org that resolves. Anything inside my boundary will not resolve (except locally). I know this is boring the living daylights out of most users. As they do not know what is being talked about "other" than is currently affecting them. It is all majik (incorrectly mislabeled as the Internet to Seti)!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So for Seti it is a mixed bag. As Long as the 208.xxx.xxx.xxx IP's are findable world wide from BOINC we should be okay (with time). When a change is made it takes time to get the rest of the world in sync.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sorry to cut and run have to go pick up the wife.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    [/quote]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    For names like setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.EDU, the TTL is five minutes. The "refresh" interval is 1 hour.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No matter what combination of devices are used, when they make a change to an A record, old data should be completely gone in 65 minutes, tops.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That assumes that a secondary updated just before the change (and can continue to answer for another 60 minutes) and that the "worst case" machine consistently hits the last secondary to update -- plus the five minutes for local caching.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Profile MusicGod
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Joined: Dec 7 02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Posts: 3
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Credit: 692,510
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RAC: 2,106
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Message 911095 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 5:56:56 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Remember to Buckle your seatbelt......it makes it harder for the aliens to suck you out of the car!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Profile [B^S] madmac
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Joined: Feb 9 04
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Posts: 770
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Credit: 382,900
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RAC: 364
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      United Kingdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Message 911100 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 6:43:49 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am still getting expected number and getting zero also connect failed, is it because the servers are getting maxed out and I have to wait until the can send me my downloads? Also got a couple of http errors which I assume is the same as connect failed, can upload but not download on my last few luckily I am doing other BOINC project so hopefully it will sort itself out again.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Message 911102 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 7:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 911100.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've got about 70+ Work Units queued up to download. Only 2 of them have done so, all the rest give connect() failed messages.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re-booted the computer, no joy. Re-booted the modem, no joy. Re-booted the computer again after re-booting the modem, no joy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          *shrug*
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Will leave it overnight & see how it goes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Grant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Cosmic_Ocean
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Joined: Dec 23 00
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Posts: 1117
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Credit: 2,643,851
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          RAC: 3,105
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Message 911105 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 7:19:26 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, all of my rigs have downloads waiting to happen, and I looked at the cricket graph and we're not maxed out..but I do notice that the replica is offline, though that has nothing to do with WU downloads.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Though I haven't been looking at the packet rate cricket graph.. I think that pegs out around 9k/sec, so the bandwidth can still have headroom left, but if there are too many packets, then more data can't go through.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            At least one of my downloads now have 3 hours of elapsed download time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm not complaining, just stating facts/assumptions. I have more than plenty of work already downloaded and ready to crunch for this to even worry me a little bit.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Linux laptop uptime (844 days as of 2009-11-24)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was being vague to avoid being misleading

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Byron S Goodgame
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Volunteer tester
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Avatar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joined: Jan 16 06
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Posts: 1150
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Credit: 1,693,804
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            RAC: 4,575
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            United States
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Message 911108 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 7:34:04 UTC

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I had problems on a couple of my sys getting the downloads to start earlier, even after a reboot. So I did a ipconfig/flushdns from the command prompt and that cleared them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ____________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Grant (SSSF)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Send message
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Joined: Aug 19 99
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Posts: 3161
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Credit: 1,939,990
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RAC: 2,239
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Australia
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Message 911121 - Posted 25 Jun 2009 7:47:51 UTC - in response to Message 911108.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I did a ipconfig/flushdns from the command prompt and that cleared them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Just gave that a go, no joy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'll go back to the "See what happens overnight" method.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ____________
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Grant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Darwin NT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Forum : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (17) Server problems

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Copyright © 2009 University of California